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Zangorus
Grand Commonwealth
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:57:00 -
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
427
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:12:00 -
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The debate about the equality of civilisations is pointless.
All people however are equal, some wish to delude themselves with foolish notions of superiority over other flesh and blood, but at the end of the day we all bleed, breathe and will bow out when our time's up. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:47:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:The debate about the equality of civilisations is pointless.
All people however are equal, some wish to delude themselves with foolish notions of superiority over other flesh and blood, but at the end of the day we all bleed, breathe and will bow out when our time's up.
I am pretty sure to know what you mean, actually refering to ideals of equal rights among people, those rights put on the social level of civilisation, but in the natural state of things, nobody is equal when it comes to genetics and talents in life, following the very basics of evolution itself. Also, equality between men in a purely scientific science does not make any sense, since we are all different.
I thought I should bring up this clarification before a misunderstanding occurs... |

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
5
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:08:00 -
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Surely we have learnt by now, nationalism never ends well.
*ChipMo sighs...
Well, just don't make too much of a mess on your railroad to self destruction. |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
427
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:51:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:The debate about the equality of civilisations is pointless.
All people however are equal, some wish to delude themselves with foolish notions of superiority over other flesh and blood, but at the end of the day we all bleed, breathe and will bow out when our time's up. I am pretty sure to know what you mean, actually refering to ideals of equal rights among people, those rights put on the social level of civilisation, but in the natural state of things, nobody is equal when it comes to genetics and talents in life, following the very basics of evolution itself. Also, equality between men in a purely scientific science does not make any sense, since we are all different. I thought I should bring up this clarification before a misunderstanding occurs...
Genetics only bring forth individual traits, they don't grant anyone right of superiority.
A man may be faster than you, it does not make him your better. A man may be physically stronger than you, it does not make him your better. A man may be more intelligent than you, it does not make him your better.
Humans are designed to differ in traits, where some excel others struggle, yet will have their own advantages to make up the drawbacks elsewhere. We are all flawed in some way or another, and it's in that where no one can claim superiority. Individual merits do not justify overall right of determination.
Least that's the ideal behind equality, of course there are those who will use their strengths to exert their will over another, but there's plenty of discussions about them out there. As I said though, such notions of superiority are foolish. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
10
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:32:00 -
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ChipMo wrote:Surely we have learnt by now, nationalism never ends well.
*ChipMo sighs...
Well, just don't make too much of a mess on your railroad to self destruction.
Coming from an anarchist, warnings of future detriment are meaningless. |

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
5
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:46:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote: Coming from an anarchist, warnings of future detriment are meaningless.
Oh, I wouldn't expect, or want you to take my word for it. All you need do is open your eyes and take a fresh look for yourself. When has nationalist fever ever ended in anything but disaster of one sort or another?
At least anarchism is honest. |

Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
10
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:51:00 -
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ChipMo wrote:Senn Typhos wrote: Coming from an anarchist, warnings of future detriment are meaningless.
Oh, I wouldn't expect, or want you to take my word for it. All you need do is open your eyes and take a fresh look for yourself. When has nationalist fever ever ended in anything but disaster of one sort or another? At least anarchism is honest.
Nationalism has constructed the four major nations, debates about their standings and superiority aside.
Honesty is not a quality I would assign to anarchism. In its childish mentality, it can engender a false sense of transparency, but those who subscribe to its value rarely understand their own admiration for the system they tout. In truth, it has no value. |

Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:49:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:The debate about the equality of civilisations is pointless.
All people however are equal, some wish to delude themselves with foolish notions of superiority over other flesh and blood, but at the end of the day we all bleed, breathe and will bow out when our time's up. I am pretty sure to know what you mean, actually refering to ideals of equal rights among people, those rights put on the social level of civilisation, but in the natural state of things, nobody is equal when it comes to genetics and talents in life, following the very basics of evolution itself. Also, equality between men in a purely scientific science does not make any sense, since we are all different. I thought I should bring up this clarification before a misunderstanding occurs... Genetics only bring forth individual traits, they don't grant anyone right of superiority. A man may be faster than you, it does not make him your better. A man may be physically stronger than you, it does not make him your better. A man may be more intelligent than you, it does not make him your better. Humans are designed to differ in traits, where some excel others struggle, yet will have their own advantages to make up the drawbacks elsewhere. We are all flawed in some way or another, and it's in that where no one can claim superiority. Individual merits do not justify overall right of determination. Least that's the ideal behind equality, of course there are those who will use their strengths to exert their will over another, but there's plenty of discussions about them out there. As I said though, such notions of superiority are foolish.
This is what I said : you refer to human considerations put on the social level that consider the inequalities of nature irrelevant in the light of civilisation. Also, some others will disagree on this (and I am not part of them). |

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
5
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:13:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote: Nationalism has constructed the four major nations, debates about their standings and superiority aside.
Four major nations? Are you talking about the Caldari State, Minmatar Republic, Gallente Federation & Amarr Empire?
While I'm sure they each have nationalist minorities and extreamists within them; they can hardly be credited with each races reletive success. The clues to the driving political forces of each is kind of given away in their taken names...
Sansha's Nation, now thats a shining example of a nationalist entity at its pinicle. |

Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
10
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:31:00 -
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ChipMo wrote:Senn Typhos wrote: Nationalism has constructed the four major nations, debates about their standings and superiority aside.
Four major nations? Are you talking about the Caldari State, Minmatar Republic, Gallente Federation & Amarr Empire? While I'm sure they each have nationalist minorities and extreamists within them; they can hardly be credited with each races reletive success. The clues to the driving political forces of each is kind of given away in their taken names... Sansha's Nation, now thats a shining example of a nationalist entity at its pinicle.
It is strange that I even need to define this to another pilot, but the four nations recognized by CONCORD are the State, Federation, Empire and Republic, to clarify your confusion.
The fact that these four exist is the result of individuals organizing under given cultural principles. There are minority groups in all, but the nations are governed by the dominant cultural architecture. While the definition of a "nation" may be stretched at times, the pirate nations can fit under the basic definition, depending on certain variables. |

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
6
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:02:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote: It is strange that I even need to define this to another pilot, but the four nations recognized by CONCORD are the State, Federation, Empire and Republic, to clarify your confusion.
The fact that these four exist is the result of individuals organizing under given cultural principles. There are minority groups in all, but the nations are governed by the dominant cultural architecture. While the definition of a "nation" may be stretched at times, the pirate nations can fit under the basic definition, depending on certain variables.
I think we have our wires crossed. I have been talking about nationalists and nationalism. ie: The devotion and loyalty to one's own nation, the policy of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
This is not the case for the Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, even Amarrians. It is however, a pretty accurate description of the Sansha's view of New Eden.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
10
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:45:00 -
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ChipMo wrote:Senn Typhos wrote: It is strange that I even need to define this to another pilot, but the four nations recognized by CONCORD are the State, Federation, Empire and Republic, to clarify your confusion.
The fact that these four exist is the result of individuals organizing under given cultural principles. There are minority groups in all, but the nations are governed by the dominant cultural architecture. While the definition of a "nation" may be stretched at times, the pirate nations can fit under the basic definition, depending on certain variables.
I think we have our wires crossed. I have been talking about nationalists and nationalism. ie: The devotion and loyalty to one's own nation, the policy of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations. This is not the case for the Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, even Amarrians. It is however, a pretty accurate description of the Sansha's view of New Eden.
I don't see the difference between your definition of nationalism and that of patriotism, which is certainly not a negative aspect. It is the foundation of a healthy society. |

ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
7
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:19:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote: I don't see the difference between your definition of nationalism and that of patriotism, which is certainly not a negative aspect. It is the foundation of a healthy society.
Well I think it may be worth your while finding out the differences. The most obvious I mentioned in a previous post, a patriot is not necessarily ignorant of shared interests, where a nationalist is.
Speaking personally, I view the patriot as a little naive but mostly harmless. Nationalism is just down right dangerous.
*ChipMo Shrugs..
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
10
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:45:00 -
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ChipMo wrote:Senn Typhos wrote: I don't see the difference between your definition of nationalism and that of patriotism, which is certainly not a negative aspect. It is the foundation of a healthy society.
Well I think it may be worth your while finding out the differences. The most obvious I mentioned in a previous post, a patriot is not necessarily ignorant of shared interests, where a nationalist is. Speaking personally, I view the patriot as a little naive but mostly harmless. Nationalism is just down right dangerous. *ChipMo Shrugs..
And as I previously stated, the view of the anarchist is not one that can be taken seriously. Whether it is a weak mind that is attracted to the concept, or if the concept weakens the mind, I cannot say. But the result is the same.
Without patriotic dedication to one's state, nothing of value can form from a given society. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
474
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Posted - 2012.02.15 23:47:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote: And as I previously stated, the view of the anarchist is not one that can be taken seriously. Whether it is a weak mind that is attracted to the concept, or if the concept weakens the mind, I cannot say. But the result is the same.
Without patriotic dedication to one's state, nothing of value can form from a given society.
I will agree that without a cause, all efforts devolve into meaningless rabble, but that cause need not be one's state. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |

Mumtaz Khan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:37:00 -
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Hans Nardieu wrote:Gallentean civilisation has uplifted so many others. No civilisation has been unimproved by contact with our people.
I wholeheartedly agree. Nothing quite brings a nation together like having a common enemy to wage war against! |

Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
236
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:27:00 -
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Patriotism : someone that loves or is devoted to his/her state or country.
Nationalism : political ideology that originally evolves around the concept of "Nation-state" and thus considers that a state has to be formed of people of the same ethnicity (the nation), believing that it creates national identity. Can at times use patriotism as a political argument or turn into a chauvinistic or xenophobic state. |

Marco Bartoli
The Unknown Bar and Pub
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:32:00 -
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Agreed, not all civilizations are equal. The Amarrian Empire is vastly superior to the Gallente Federation.
Excuse me for not reading the body of your speech, I don't bother with Federal propaganda. |
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