Do not see the point of this post cause that is what ECM does for the cycle of the module. If the cycle is successful for the second cycle then it prevents the re target.

ECM is fine.

Wrong, they need fixing. It's okay to be be wrong, I won't hold it against you.

I think your problem is that you are trying to 1v1 a falcon.

So how do you propose to buff ECM ships to make up for the fact the one thing they're good at is now borderline useless?

So how do you propose to buff ECM ships to make up for the fact the one thing they're good at is now borderline useless?

I propose that in order to balance this change all ECM ships are now capable of fitting doomsday weapons, and utilizing them on sub-capital ships.

Well, one side effect I could see happening if this was implemented would be that sensor damps would be more useful (break someone's lock and then have a friend damp him so he has issues re-locking). I don't know that it's the right solution to ECM (or even if ECM needs changing at all), but I think that that'd be a side effect.

The other thing they could do with ECM is make ECCM less useless.

ECCM currently doesn't give enough protection and has no other benefit to the ship ie. if you face a non-ECM boat the slot is wasted. This is unique to ECCM - sensor boosters and tracking comps (counters to other ewar) give bonuses that help even if not tracking disrupted/damped.

Suggestion: make ECCM give your ship another sensor type as well as the strength boost. Now the jamming ship needs to score two simultaneous successful jams with two different races of jammer to actually jam you. Only downside I can see is multispecs may become FOTM. Or allow each active ECCM mod to ignore one successful jam and forget the racial stuff.

The other thing they could do with ECM is make ECCM less useless.

ECCM currently doesn't give enough protection and has no other benefit to the ship ie. if you face a non-ECM boat the slot is wasted. This is unique to ECCM - sensor boosters and tracking comps (counters to other ewar) give bonuses that help even if not tracking disrupted/damped.

Suggestion: make ECCM give your ship another sensor type as well as the strength boost. Now the jamming ship needs to score two simultaneous successful jams with two different races of jammer to actually jam you. Only downside I can see is multispecs may become FOTM. Or allow each active ECCM mod to ignore one successful jam and forget the racial stuff.

Just make it so that ECM mods break the target lock, in the way that burst ecm works. Bam. Done. The hassle of re-targeting is enough, especially since you could be interrupted by another ecm cycle. Reduce the cycle on ecm modules as well; perhaps a10 second baseline, with a skill to reduce that by 5% each time.

Bring a friend along with sensor damps (which are getting buffed soon anyway) and he'll futz the locking time of your enemies, and bam, you've got your permajam back again, just that now you have to like, co-ordinate with you fleet buddies to make it happen. And yeah I'm not 100% sure this is the solution either, but I wanted to put it on the table for CCP.

(And some other drivel)

BTW if this change goes through it'll break ECM so badly that you'll wish for the old system. Just saying.

Reducing ECM cycle time would only make them better. In the same 20 seconds with current cycle time, you get one chance per jammer. With a 10 second cycle time you would get 2 chances, that is twice as many opportunities. Now say I'm in my Falcon with a 14 jam strength trying to jam a Drake (19 sensor strength). Currently I have a 26% chance to miss. With your solution, the chance of missing a jam within the same 20 seconds with that same jammer would be 7%.

I wold gladly give up my 20sec jam cycles for this, and then go fit a single remote sensor damp w/scan res script. Or, God forbid, fly with a bro in an Arazu that has lots of damps fit. Even when you finally lock, you can't keep it or more than a few seconds. Hell, this would even make multispecs useful.

For fun, lets try the mathz. 4x multispecs jam str ~9.3, cycle time of 10 seconds. Chance to miss vs Drake per cycle is 1-(9.3/19)=51%. Stagger the jammers so one fires every 2.5 seconds over the course of the previous time of 20 seconds means 8 attempts every 20 seconds (love the new cycle time). 51%^8=.46% chance to miss. Over the course of the 10 seconds required to fire all jammers once the chance to miss would be 6.8%.

OP is now my favorite person in the whole Eve Online universe.

Except that you missed the bit where you don't get the 20 second jam time anymore; they'll work more like ecm bursts, so you'll be breaking locks but 'ceptors with sensor boosters will still be hassling you. I love how almost no-one on these forums actually reads posts. Comedy gold!

You are so going to get trolled for daring to suggest ECM doesn't work properly and I won't be able to do anything to help, sorry :( ECM needs fixing, but it's the counters that fight against gankers that need fixing the most because things like warp bubbles are just so OP.

This is why the ECM Burst module can only fire every 30 seconds, and you can only fit one of them at a time.

Equip ECCM or suffer.