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kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:06:00 - [1] Right ive sat down countless times and i always end up fitting neuts. So here it is - CCP wont boost it anytime soon and at the most highest priority it needs a massive cpu boost... anyways. Rules: 1. No officer or Faction mods over 20m 2. No setups including all Neut's 3. No Projectile setups -They are terrible and kick out tiny dps -not to mention Amarr players have Laser skills. 4. It has to be pvp fit and mostly soloable. 5. insert new rule here for when some smartass finds a stupid setup conflicting rules 1-4 Anyways there it is guys. Let see if we can make this ship work. Run this thread with respect and prepare to have your opinion shot down.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:09:00 - [2] I vote for 4x missile slots 4x gunslots, 250m3 dronebay, a bonus to cap recharge time and a bonus to drone damage Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:14:00 - [3] il start it off then... 8x DHPL II /AN MF 1x 100mn MWD II 1x 32 cpu warp disruptor 1x Fleeting web 1x HCI /800 1x LAR II 1x 1600mm tung 2x EANM II 2x TS Heatsinks 1x DCU II 2x Trimarks 1x Algid Energy Administrator unit (-10% cpu on guns) 577 dps (735 with hammer heads) 20k armour with 80/67/62/60 resistances. This is all without implants -so you could knock out a nice amount with em not to mention with slaves. Reason over abaddon? MWD, better tracking with DHP II and Cap stable. What you ladies got for it?
Ask Unbeatable Tenacious Danes	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:24:00 - [4] 2x LAR II 1x IFFA Dmg Ctrl 2x ANP II 2x Heat Sink II 1x Warp dis II 1x Fleeting web 1x Heavy cap injector II 1x Quad lif mwd 8x DHPL II 2x Aux nano pumps (Rep amount) 1x Laser dmg rig 2x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II 1x Warrior II 802 dps 9k armor with 77/62/57/54 resists No implants ALl eft, no experience. Shoot me down
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Ask Unbeatable 2x LAR II 1x IFFA Dmg Ctrl 2x ANP II 2x Heat Sink II 1x Warp dis II 1x Fleeting web 1x Heavy cap injector II 1x Quad lif mwd 8x DHPL II 2x Aux nano pumps (Rep amount) 1x Laser dmg rig 2x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II 1x Warrior II 802 dps 9k armor with 77/62/57/54 resists No implants ALl eft, no experience. Shoot me down aye not bad.
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:36:00 - [6] Problem is that it has no ROLE, these setups are all fine and dandy, but nothing another ship can't do, and mostly do better Gank: outdone by the geddon, mega and even tempest (buffed raven also beats it...) Tank: outdone by all the Tier 3 bs's really, guess domi can out tank it too, and be more versatile at the same time. So, it can tank in a medicore way and that is it, soory to say but it nees a role to be good at. It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:46:00 - [7] Amarr use unguided missiles Rockets Hamms Now lets make it torps... Apoc. 8 X Torp Launchers. EM Damage bonus of 5% per level + 5% Torp Velocity per level. Now let the dreaming beguin Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Anubis Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:14:00 - [8] Cap stable Small Gang setup: 8x MP II w/ Conflag 2x CR II, 1x WD II, 1x Fleeting Web 1x LAR II, 1x EANM II, 3x Energized Hardeners, 1x DCU II, 1x I-Stab II 5x Hammerheads (5x Warriors in reserve) 3x CCC I Rigs Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Traeon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:06:00 - [9] working apoc = redesigned apoc I vote for making it a khanid ship: 4x missile bays. 4x turrets. 10% bonus to missile speed per level. 5% armor res per level. Or make it a sniper. 10% bonus to lasor optimal per level. 10% bonus to cap usage. Just make it unique.
Lisento Slaven Amarr Lisento and Miscellaneous Elk	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:11:00 - [10] 10% Armor HP per Amarr Battleship Level 5% Armor Resistance per Amarr Battleship Level 4x Launcher 3x Turret 125 m3 Drone Bay 65 Drone Bandwidth Same slot layout. NOW let the dreaming begin =P --- Put in space whales!

kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:14:00 - [11] 1. It can never be a khanid ship. Its the Pride of the Amarrian fleet for one 2nd its needs a drone bay, cpu and grid thats basically it for me. 2. This isnt a change the Apoc thread, started plenty of them and not a sole really cares.
poopsy nobottle Original Pirating Material	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:15:00 - [12] Possible pvp apoc for solo or small gangs Hi: 3x heavy unstable neuts 5x Mega pulse laser II's Meds: 1x Named warp disruptor 2x named web 1x heavy cap booster II 2x 1600 plates 2 enam II's 1x named explosive active hardener 2x heat sink II's Rigs: 3x tri marks Drones: 5x medium ecm drones 5x warrior II's might be ok for solo, i have a apoc wich i put 3 tri makrs on (it was a logistic bs lol) havtn tested it yet, its a pure eft fit.
Sajuukar	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:20:00 - [13] 2 large nuets , med nuet,large smart bomb, 4 DHP t2 web , warp disruptor, HCI/800, 100mn AB 2 LAR , DC , 1600mm plate,2 eanm, cap power relay. 5 t2 drones , 2 med ecm drones it isn't cap stable ,but niether will the other guys cap with all those nuets. a 9k capacitor and a large cargohold gives it an instant advantage.wait till your enemy has put his drones on u. then u can relese 2 ecm drones and 3 conbat at him .after a while u can leave the med nuet running and pulse one of the large nuets when needed.
Traeon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:24:00 - [14] Edited by: Traeon on 26/12/2007 21:24:53 Quote: 1. It can never be a khanid ship. Its the Pride of the Amarrian fleet for one 2nd its needs a drone bay, cpu and grid thats basically it for me. It can be Khanid ship! "Once the pride of the amarrian navy, the Apocalypse class battleship showing its age until recently when a redesign project had been commissioned in close collaboration with Khanid Innovation. The result is a ship unlike any other in the amarrian fleet, combining the best of both worlds in one mean package." Quote: 2. This isnt a change the Apoc thread, started plenty of them and not a sole really cares. Yea sorry about my hijacking, I'll stop posting now.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Traeon Edited by: Traeon on 26/12/2007 21:24:53 Quote: 1. It can never be a khanid ship. Its the Pride of the Amarrian fleet for one 2nd its needs a drone bay, cpu and grid thats basically it for me. It can be Khanid ship! "Once the pride of the amarrian navy, the Apocalypse class battleship showing its age until recently when a redesign project had been commissioned in close collaboration with Khanid Innovation. The result is a ship unlike any other in the amarrian fleet, combining the best of both worlds in one mean package." Serieusly you dont have to go wild @ descriptions. Why not recycle this one: "The apoc has a unusually large structure for a amarrian vessel" _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:30:00 - [16] Discopoc!!! Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:23:00 - [17] Originally by: arbalesttom Discopoc!!! YES! \o/ 6 Large smarties 2 Cruise launchers with FoFs MWD and whatever you need in meds... fill lows with a mix of: Overdrives Warpcorestabs Nanos Inertias Go forth and hug someone. It's fun. No really. And the FoFs did surprise some git that tried to tackle me out of smartbomb range, so I vote for FoFs instead of 8 smarties. Or 7 bombs and a cloak? You know, sneak up on someone and let her rip. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up*
Gladiator Jonny Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:25:00 - [18] does this uber apoc need an mwd?
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.26 23:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Gladiator Jonny Edited by: Gladiator Jonny on 26/12/2007 22:45:40 does this uber apoc need an mwd? Edit: Eft purely, why the hell would i fly amarr? 6x Mega pulse II (conflag) 2x Heavy unstable neuts 2x Medium electrochemical cap booster 1x fleeting web 1x Faint warp prohibitor 1x LAR II 1x 1600rt plate 1x ts/db/ss (cheap faction) explosive hardner 1x Thermal hardner 1x Kinetic hardner 1x ts ANP 1x EANM II / Heatsink II (only adds 100 dps, weak damage either way) 3x Trimarks 5x ecm/ valkrie II's. For a gang, simple drop the rep, add another plate. Drop the neuts, add remote reps. probabily have the cpu to drop the anp to an EANM II then aswell. my 2 isk Go away eft man, this setup stinks btw, so bad i get sick of looking at it actually. It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Gladiator Jonny Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.26 23:14:00 - [20] Lets see, how much did you help in this thread? what setup do you have that so amazingly uber. If i dont fly ammar thank god, why shouldnt i use eft. Im fairly curious what stinks about the setup. Its a solo ship without a gank factor, you cant go withour a rep. It doesnt get used to its potential, neuts or logistics (in my opinion). i worked with what i had, more than can be said than what you have done. Any problem? Without fitting auto cannons, neuts or a logistic setup the apoc is useless... simple as that. So stfu, if you have an amazing apoc setup that fits the criteria. Feel free to find me ingame

Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.26 23:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Gladiator Jonny Lets see, how much did you help in this thread? what setup do you have that so amazingly uber. If i dont fly ammar thank god, why shouldnt i use eft. Im fairly curious what stinks about the setup. Its a solo ship without a gank factor, you cant go withour a rep. It doesnt get used to its potential, neuts or logistics (in my opinion). i worked with what i had, more than can be said than what you have done. Any problem? Without fitting auto cannons, neuts or a logistic setup the apoc is useless... simple as that. So stfu, if you have an amazing apoc setup that fits the criteria. Feel free to find me ingame 1. The setup has no propulsoion mod, a bad thing. 2. more cap than it can possibly need, dual inject on a ship with a cap bonus and only single rep is not good. 3. Expensive rigs that really don't help the ship exept to go with the trimark flow, and a trimark ship is part of a spider tank, or a gank ship that surives on its hp buffer. 4. The setup has no meaning, no role, its just medicore at just about everything It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Slave Master Amarr The Raging Armada	Posted - 2007.12.26 23:39:00 - [22] Edited by: Slave Master on 26/12/2007 23:39:26 I think po0psy might be on the right track with running 3 heavy neuts and 5 mega pulse II's but in order for the setup to work you would need 2 cap injectors IMO to have remaining cap after u suck them dry. My setup would be - 5 x mega pulse II's 3 x Heavy unstable Neuts 2 x heavy electrochemical cap boosters w/800's 1 x web 1 x warp distruptor 2 x Heat sink II's 2 x EANM II's 2 x 1600mm Plates 1 x Larger repper II 3 x Trimark armor pumps 5 x medium tech II drones Dps is only 566 but it should be enough to take them down once you drain the other ships. Swapping a neut or gun for a smartbomb might be worthwhile to take care of the drones. It has a pretty reasonable 98k effective HP too.
Gladiator Jonny Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.27 11:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Dristra 4. The setup has no meaning, no role, its just medicore at just about everything Thats the ship all over. The only roles i see for this ship (which it does pritty damn well) are: Plated logistic fit Bombapoc Dedicated cap neut. often useless against most but cap ships.
poopsy nobottle Original Pirating Material	Posted - 2007.12.27 12:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Slave Master Edited by: Slave Master on 26/12/2007 23:39:26 I think po0psy might be on the right track with running 3 heavy neuts and 5 mega pulse II's but in order for the setup to work you would need 2 cap injectors IMO to have remaining cap after u suck them dry. My setup would be - 5 x mega pulse II's 3 x Heavy unstable Neuts 2 x heavy electrochemical cap boosters w/800's 1 x web 1 x warp distruptor 2 x Heat sink II's 2 x EANM II's 2 x 1600mm Plates 1 x Larger repper II 3 x Trimark armor pumps 5 x medium tech II drones Dps is only 566 but it should be enough to take them down once you drain the other ships. Swapping a neut or gun for a smartbomb might be worthwhile to take care of the drones. It has a pretty reasonable 98k effective HP too. Too much cap imo, this is eft stats but with my setup it is cap stable and does 400 dps with med jamming drones (540 with HHII's) I think as this ship has quite low dps ur probs better off relying on ewar and ur neuts to help kill the enemy, i could see your setup possibly running out of boosters before you kill ur enemy with a rep guns and neuts running, you can ofc cycle the nuets tho. The rep would be useful though in some situations.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:07:00 - [25] How about a nano poc? 4 MP II, 2 Torps (with explosive) and 2 neuts. MWD, TD, injector, scram. Speed, agility and cap mods. Web drones. This is just something I thought of right now, so no idea if it can fit and it will probably be really bad.
Velox Idolon	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:09:00 - [26] Edited by: Velox Idolon on 27/12/2007 13:14:38 8x t2 ion blaster cannon 100mn t2 mwd, t2 heavy cap booster, fleeting web, faint warp prohibitor (20km scram) 2x rolled tungsten 1600mm plate, 2x magstab t2, co-pro t2, IFFA dc, EANM t2 3x trimark rigs 2x Berserker t2, 2x Valk t2, 1x warrior t2 30k of armour 100k effective hp, about 850 dps with void EDIT: just reread OP and it says with lasers :Z oops.
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2007.12.27 13:46:00 - [27] Only things the Apoc can really do are a Logistics boat, Sniper or Neut. Possibly workable Sniper: 8x Tachyon II 1x Sensor Booster II (No Script) 1x Sensor Booster II (Locking Range) 1x Sensor Booster II (Targeting Speed) 1x Cap Recharger II 2x RCU II 3x Heat Sink II 2x Tracking Enhancer II No rigs or anything needed so it is fairly cheap too. WTS: Armageddon / Void L / Mobile Large Warp Disruptor
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:41:00 - [28] Edited by: The Djego on 27/12/2007 14:43:21 4 Large Remote Reps, 2 Large Energy Trasfers, 2 Heavy Nos 2 Sensor Boosters, 2 Heavy Cap Booster II 2 (named) LAR, 2 EANM II, DC II, 1600mm RT, (named)CPR 2 Remote Repair Argumentor 1 Semiconductor Memory Cell ECM Drones OK it is not solo but great in small Gang PVP as a support platform for all your Repping and Cap needs. Ofc some remote Reps on other Ships will be usefull to keep it alive. 10k Cap in the start can realy make a diffrence. Other BS can that to? Yeah I know but when did a Apoc was called primary the last time. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Delichon Caldari The First Foundation Stella Polar	Posted - 2007.12.27 14:53:00 - [29] Originally by: kessah Rules: ... 4. It has to be pvp fit and mostly soloable. ... Hello, I am Caldari spec. player and NONE of my Battleships could, can or ever will be effective in solo-PVP. Howz u doing? ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.27 15:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Delichon Originally by: kessah Rules: ... 4. It has to be pvp fit and mostly soloable. ... Hello, I am Caldari spec. player and NONE of my Battleships could, can or ever will be effective in solo-PVP. Howz u doing? Does this mean Amarr BS are effective in solo PVP? There are ways to solo with a Caldari BS and there are options to solo with a Amarr BS. Is this her optimal use and intendet role? No. Does this mean it is impossible. No. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!



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