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Nightsheir	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:29:00 - [1] What ? It is completely nonsense to hold a 110 mil tonage ship with a very small frigate forever ! All you need is a warp inhibitor module some 1 energy / sec and after activating it, wait for your gang to arrive , this is completely nonsense/insane. There should be no 1 or 0's in pvp . Let me tell you what pvp is . Everything your enemy does should be able to be countered to some extent. With bonuses , you can counter particular things better* or without modules or with penalties, you still* should be able to counter* it with worse efficiency. But for eve, there are so many 1 and 0's that completely disable your target to death or do nothing at all . Like if you turret disrupt and scramble a battleship with a cheap frigate, it is to be considered as you JUST KILLED IT ! Where the battleship did not have any chance at all to counter it , is this pvp ? Or anything close . Hell no . Well, i am not going to list all the things that should be changed, but warp scrambling seriously needs to be beaten to submission and work as i will explain. Okay, you activated a warp inhibitor or scrambler on your target ? Now you just put another 20 second to your targets WARP ALIGNING SPEED , like say . It takes roughly 15 seconds for a battleship to warp, but if a warp inhibitor is activated on the target, now it takes 35 seconds to align, that surely does what is intended as PREVENTING its escape .(yes you try to prevent it, but not completely stop it) . Now it just works as it should , because , as in weapons . STRONGER STUFF require bigger power grid and cpu , where you can fit a KRAP! warp inhibitor to COMPLETELY STOP A BATTLESHIP* from repositioning(escaping, where battleships are not supposed to die at first contact, not like expendable bunny frigates) // So Frigate class inhibitors adds +20 secs to warp aligning of target ship. Cruiser class inhibitors adds +30 secs to warp aligning of target ship. Battleship class inhibitors adds +40 secs to warp aligning of target ship. WhY? BECAUSE IN PVP , (( EVERYTHING SHOULD BE COUNTERED at better worse eficiency, depending on ship class, bonuses )) Now you just have given THAT 300 mil + battleship to CHOOSE NOT TO CONTINUE BATTLING , after meeting with a tackler and a lot more of his gangmates. OH ! SO YOUR ISK SINK PLANS RUINED ? YOU WANT PEOPLE TO LOSE STUFF QUICKLY SO THEY KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME because they need more isk to buy new ships . BUT YOU CAN STILL DO SO , by creating a new module or item , that gives you chance to escape from warp scrambling at a cost of fuel or some kind of element , just like nanite paste , but costs even more . THERE YOU HAVE YOUR ISK SINK, but you just have given a 110 million ton ship a chance to escape from 1 mil ton frigate's WRATH !! Yes , this is a whine thread. No , this is not a cheap whine thread. There is much to learn from it, just try to understand what pvp is without pulling your hair. And check out other games. I accept that eve is a different game and unique , BUT IT SHOULD BE BETTER THAN OTHERS , NOT WORSE !* (especialy in pvp) --> Wheee lol , my ship is better than your ship , i scrambled you , webbed you , now i will kill you !! WHAAT ? CCP: "Sorry bud, this is how it works, now you have to lose your pretty ship or marketting will lose its spin. BUT I WANT TO PAY! , I JUST DONT WANT TO LOSE MY SHIP! , warp escaping paste... lol You guys ever heard of RP ? (ROLE PLAYING) How am i supposed to role play, where i cant even hold my legs from shaking when i want to try low sec systems ? If its isk TAKE IT !, but leave my ship alone . And give me chance to abandon certain death situations from 1 energy / sec modules . Sorry for all these , but try to feel me .
Anubis Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:32:00 - [2] I personally think all warp scrambling should have been done interdictor style. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Yosarian Manth Caldari Divinity Unbound	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:33:00 - [3] Yes. ----------
Wideen Eon Project Legion of Honor	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:36:00 - [4] First that comes to mind when reading your post is Warrior II's. The only time these wouldn't work is when you're up against a 6km/sek crow or something else of the sort. I think CCP intended that you shouldn't be able to counter everything in your very large ship, since that would create a solo game yet it's more of a teamwork kind of game. Just as that small tackling frig can't take you down solo and needs to call in his buddies - so do you need some friends to handle smaller targets that are not the intended use of the battleship behemoth you're talking about. So it's all balance to it. And sure, there as numerous other ways to handle tackling frigs in your BS, such as: * ECM and general EW * Transversal velocity * Overheating/faction webber The latter two points refer to your ability to hit the smaller target, which is usually a problem for bigger ships but as you can see, there are ways to get hits on it anyways. So tell me what you think about this, cheers Wid Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:37:00 - [5] -- Gain Forum Fame Now! Want To Trade Liang Nuren For Your Character! Post in the thread or send me an Evemail. ^_
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Nightsheir What ? It is completely nonsense to hold a 110 mil tonage ship with a very small frigate forever ! All you need is a warp inhibitor module some 1 energy / sec and after activating it, wait for your gang to arrive , this is completely nonsense/insane. There should be no 1 or 0's in pvp . Let me tell you what pvp is . Everything your enemy does should be able to be countered to some extent. With bonuses , you can counter particular things better* or without modules or with penalties, you still* should be able to counter* it with worse efficiency. But for eve, there are so many 1 and 0's that completely disable your target to death or do nothing at all . Like if you turret disrupt and scramble a battleship with a cheap frigate, it is to be considered as you JUST KILLED IT ! Where the battleship did not have any chance at all to counter it , is this pvp ? Or anything close . Hell no . Well, i am not going to list all the things that should be changed, but warp scrambling seriously needs to be beaten to submission and work as i will explain. Okay, you activated a warp inhibitor or scrambler on your target ? Now you just put another 20 second to your targets WARP ALIGNING SPEED , like say . It takes roughly 15 seconds for a battleship to warp, but if a warp inhibitor is activated on the target, now it takes 35 seconds to align, that surely does what is intended as PREVENTING its escape .(yes you try to prevent it, but not completely stop it) . Now it just works as it should , because , as in weapons . STRONGER STUFF require bigger power grid and cpu , where you can fit a KRAP! warp inhibitor to COMPLETELY STOP A BATTLESHIP* from repositioning(escaping, where battleships are not supposed to die at first contact, not like expendable bunny frigates) // So Frigate class inhibitors adds +20 secs to warp aligning of target ship. Cruiser class inhibitors adds +30 secs to warp aligning of target ship. Battleship class inhibitors adds +40 secs to warp aligning of target ship. WhY? BECAUSE IN PVP , (( EVERYTHING SHOULD BE COUNTERED at better worse eficiency, depending on ship class, bonuses )) Now you just have given THAT 300 mil + battleship to CHOOSE NOT TO CONTINUE BATTLING , after meeting with a tackler and a lot more of his gangmates. OH ! SO YOUR ISK SINK PLANS RUINED ? YOU WANT PEOPLE TO LOSE STUFF QUICKLY SO THEY KEEP PLAYING THIS GAME because they need more isk to buy new ships . BUT YOU CAN STILL DO SO , by creating a new module or item , that gives you chance to escape from warp scrambling at a cost of fuel or some kind of element , just like nanite paste , but costs even more . THERE YOU HAVE YOUR ISK SINK, but you just have given a 110 million ton ship a chance to escape from 1 mil ton frigate's WRATH !! Yes , this is a whine thread. No , this is not a cheap whine thread. There is much to learn from it, just try to understand what pvp is without pulling your hair. And check out other games. I accept that eve is a different game and unique , BUT IT SHOULD BE BETTER THAN OTHERS , NOT WORSE !* (especialy in pvp) --> Wheee lol , my ship is better than your ship , i scrambled you , webbed you , now i will kill you !! WHAAT ? CCP: "Sorry bud, this is how it works, now you have to lose your pretty ship or marketting will lose its spin. BUT I WANT TO PAY! , I JUST DONT WANT TO LOSE MY SHIP! , warp escaping paste... lol You guys ever heard of RP ? (ROLE PLAYING) How am i supposed to role play, where i cant even hold my legs from shaking when i want to try low sec systems ? If its isk TAKE IT !, but leave my ship alone . And give me chance to abandon certain death situations from 1 energy / sec modules . Sorry for all these , but try to feel me . I would have posted something constructive and cool... IF you did not just sound like some sulky care-bear that just got owned becasue you thought your cool bs should pwn all. It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Nightsheir How am i supposed to role play, where i cant even hold my legs from shaking when i want to try low sec systems ? By this line alone, I know that you: A)are an "Empire Hugging" RP'er who talks a big game in the RP channels but has no real PvP combat experiance, and B)think that role playing is running missions for your respective faction. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:43:00 - [8] how dare that frigate scram my autopiloting Freighter, clearly this game is not fair
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:45:00 - [9] Heavy Neuts make small tackeling ships cry. moderated - removed to facilitate search query
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:46:00 - [10] PVP IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY IT IS AND I WONT HEAR ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE. _
Arcon Telf Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:48:00 - [11] OP, you should be honored, because this is the first time in my short Eve career I've felt the need to say this: Azeroth is that way ------>
Wideen Eon Project Legion of Honor	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Neon Genesis PVP IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY IT IS AND I WONT HEAR ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE. lol win Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
Nightsheir	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:54:00 - [13] Lol , do not go to the wrong way . My pvp experience cannot fit within books let alone half a page forum post. But there are people who want to play this game without losing 90% of his active daytime. <Wideen> Has* a point . But not everyone has faction webbers in their backpack all the time. And about heavy neutralisers ? LEARN THE GAME BUD ! Interceptors cannot be stopped by energy neuts. They have not 70% or so web scrambler energy activation bonus . Ahhh . As again . Post solutions only, if you have any . If not , try not to guess who you are up against will ya ? I dont care about losing my ship , if its lost , than thats it, no big deal . But if i am going to lose it, i want it to be done in the adult way . AND FIGHT until the end . And please, do not leave battleships fate to tiny drones , thanks .
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:59:00 - [14] Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 26/12/2007 20:05:16 Originally by: Nightsheir I dont care about losing my ship , if its lost , than thats it, no big deal . But if i am going to lose it, i want it to be done in the adult way . AND FIGHT until the end . Originally by: Nightsheir If its isk TAKE IT !, but leave my ship alone . Uh-huh... Originally by: Arkios Odymei By this line alone, I know that you: A)are an "Empire Hugging" RP'er who talks a big game in the RP channels but has no real PvP combat experiance, and B)think that role playing is running missions for your respective faction. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Mo Steel Caldari Sanguis vix Dignatio	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Heavy Neuts make small tackeling ships cry. This. ----- Want a sig made? Eve-Mail me, signatures made for 5 million isk each.
Juha85 Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Nightsheir Lol , do not go to the wrong way . My pvp experience cannot fit within books let alone half a page forum post. But there are people who want to play this game without losing 90% of his active daytime. <Wideen> Has* a point . But not everyone has faction webbers in their backpack all the time. And about heavy neutralisers ? LEARN THE GAME BUD ! Interceptors cannot be stopped by energy neuts. They have not 70% or so web scrambler energy activation bonus . Ahhh . As again . Post solutions only, if you have any . If not , try not to guess who you are up against will ya ? I dont care about losing my ship , if its lost , than thats it, no big deal . But if i am going to lose it, i want it to be done in the adult way . AND FIGHT until the end . And please, do not leave battleships fate to tiny drones , thanks . I lolled alot when reading this ^^ Do you understand that you can counter warp disruptors with warp core stabs? Did you also know that if scramblers were the way you described there would be no PVP in this game at all? --------------------------------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:05:00 - [17] Hahahaha "interceptors cannot be stopped by heavy neuts" hahahahahaha oh man look how dumb you are Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Eardianm Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Nightsheir Post solutions only, if you have any . And please, do not leave battleships fate to tiny drones , thanks . So... --------------
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar Storm Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:10:00 - [19] This. Originally by: Arcon Telf Azeroth is that way ------> _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Neon Genesis PVP IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY IT IS AND I WONT HEAR ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE. ARE YOU MOCKING ME??!? ARE YOU MOCKING ME?!?!? I ROLEPLAY PVP ALL THE TIME IN HIGH-SEC!!! Rifters!
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Neon Genesis PVP IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY IT IS AND I WONT HEAR ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE. ARE YOU MOCKING ME??!? ARE YOU MOCKING ME?!?!? I ROLEPLAY PVP ALL THE TIME IN HIGH-SEC!!! Bloody hell, i never knew drinking beer + laughing makes you spray beer out of your nose To Neon Genesis: I feel sorry for your loss, try to petition it Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Kolvari	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:54:00 - [22] What is a neut?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:11:00 - [23] /facepalm --- planetary interaction idea!
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Kolvari What is a neut? See my post on your Thread. ------------------------------------------------------------------
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Arkios Odymei By this line alone, I know that you: A)are an "Empire Hugging" RP'er who talks a big game in the RP channels but has no real PvP combat experiance, and B)think that role playing is running missions for your respective faction. You mean it's not? Ok - to the OP: if you have missile skills and are in a BS with missile launchers, throw in some FoF missiles and unleash your drones. The small little frig will leave you alone. If you are worried about him calling in back up - use a neut (damn nos nerf) and then leave him be as he will not be able to hold you down if he doesn't have a cap. Remember, if all you are doing is traveling - set your ship up for it and pray. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Neon Genesis PVP IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAY IT IS AND I WONT HEAR ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE. ARE YOU MOCKING ME??!? ARE YOU MOCKING ME?!?!? I ROLEPLAY PVP ALL THE TIME IN HIGH-SEC!!! win _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Chump Dump	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:27:00 - [27] if this were to be done, we would have internet bumper cars. the only thing smaller ships accel at are tackling. take this away from them and what will they be good for? killing the tackler seems like an efficient counter to me. thats what the warrior IIs are for. yet you say you dont want to leave the fate of a bs in the hands of small drones. maybe thats what ccp designed them for? there are counters. you just dont want to use them.
Nightsheir	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:31:00 - [28] Interceptors Skill Bonus: 5% reduction in Signature Radius and 5% bonus to Warp Scrambler and Warp Disruptor range per level Role bonus: 80% reduction in Propulsion Jamming systems activation cost **** Which means, a lvl 5 interceptor will be able to hold its target at 24*1.25=30km warp disruption range. Now try to Heavy Neutralize it at 26km . Nice, you are learning something . Infact, even if you could, you still would not stop the interceptor because it only takes 3.75 cap to activate warp disruptor that lasts for 5 secs . Lets say you had 0 cap at that moment, just wait 2 secs and activate the module again . In 2 secs , the battleship is not going anywhere . And warrior II's cannot catch a good ceptor. And about warp core stabs, did you ever try to fit one in a battleship ? "Jamnone" My words were not for you . We had a goonswarm expert there.. And im sorry , i was not expecting undeveloped teenage comments , i was expecting up-to date solutions, not "OMg my hac Owns u" kiddy stuff. I say RP and one guy creates a whole new definition for it in his mind, how fascinating , quite an imagination we got there .
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar Storm Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:34:00 - [29] Quote: Now try to Heavy Neutralize it at 26km . Thats a lot easier than you think, assuming you have any sort of propulsion module equipped to your ship. Get a corp mate to fly one and practice it. Also, if anyone actually trained interceptors 5, they deserve to win :p _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.12.26 21:43:00 - [30] Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 26/12/2007 21:43:26 Originally by: Nightsheir ...you still would not stop the interceptor because it only takes 3.75 cap to activate warp disruptor that lasts for 5 secs . Lets say you had 0 cap at that moment, just wait 2 secs and activate the module again . In 2 secs , the battleship is not going anywhere. Um... Since the interceptor is obviously out of web range, You are free to align and get up to speed. As soon as the Scrambler cycle is broken (even for a second) You can instantly get into warp. ------------------------------------------------------------------

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