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Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 19:50:00 - [1] I'm not sure which to buy first for solo PvPing. What ship do you think is best for this role: Machariel, Vargur, Panther, or Sin?
Mokita Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:00:00 - [2] all of them. at once.
Alyth Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:01:00 - [3] Edited by: Alyth on 26/12/2007 20:01:41 Originally by: Jack Target I'm not sure which to buy first for solo PvPing. What ship do you think is best for this role: Machariel, Vargur, Panther, or Sin? Depends. What are your skills like? How do you like to fight i.e close range, long range, going omgwtfbbq m/s? Are you willing to spend 600m on a black ops ship when their T1 counterparts can do everything apart from the jumping and cloaking equally well? -------------------------------------------
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Alyth Edited by: Alyth on 26/12/2007 20:01:41 Originally by: Jack Target I'm not sure which to buy first for solo PvPing. What ship do you think is best for this role: Machariel, Vargur, Panther, or Sin? Depends. What are your skills like? How do you like to fight i.e close range, long range, going omgwtfbbq m/s? Are you willing to spend 600m on a black ops ship when their T1 counterparts can do everything apart from the jumping and cloaking equally well? I prefer close range because I can web and scramble. Cloaking sounds good because you can sneak up on people and web/scram them quick. I'm not sure a Machariel would get there quick enough. Also, when the prey scans the system, they won't know there is a black ops around.
Hans Angry Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:18:00 - [5] vargur or Machariel, black ops arent very good, the t1 versions should do more Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. And it was ten times too big :p If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:21:00 - [6] personally i wouldnt use any of them for solo pvp.
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:28:00 - [7] Originally by: slothe personally i wouldnt use any of them for solo pvp. Interesting! Which ship would you use then?
Culitza	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:30:00 - [8] Edited by: Culitza on 26/12/2007 20:32:09 even if all of eve hates bruce :) I'm gonna be a nice guy and give you a piece of advice lol. Machariel is the closest thing to a solo-pwn mobile in eve atm. 6 x 800mm repeating artillery II. 2 x heavy neuts, or 2 x siege launchers. ( Republic fleet EMP/Fusion/PP L in cargo ) Dont use t2 ammo or you wont be able to hit anything. warp disr, sens booster, cap booster, gist x-type 10mn mwd. 3 x OD t2, 1 x nanofiber, 2 x republic fleet gyrostabs, 1 x DCU II. rigs: 1 x polycarb t2, 2 x polycarb t1 ECM drones, or combat, whatever suits you. For this you need near perfect navigation skills (low-grade snake set), great gunnery( all level 4-5 ), minmatar bs lvl5, gallente bs lvl4, and good cap skills. Also shield management hull upg 5 if you have them it will give you a decent hp buffer. This ship rules, and no other ship can dish out this ammount of punishment while being nanoed and having great survivability. If you can get 2 of your mates to fly this setup with you and an inty or dictor to tackle, you can take on gangs of multiple BS's and break camps with little trouble if you know what you're doing and each fits a different form of EW in mids. Have fun.
Annowyn Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Jack Target Originally by: slothe personally i wouldnt use any of them for solo pvp. Interesting! Which ship would you use then? Agreed. As soon as someone clicks "scan" the race is on. Jump into Amamake or some such system with one of those >10k from a gate or station for more than 2 minutes.
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Jack Target on 26/12/2007 20:43:45 Originally by: Annowyn Originally by: Jack Target Originally by: slothe personally i wouldnt use any of them for solo pvp. Interesting! Which ship would you use then? Agreed. As soon as someone clicks "scan" the race is on. Jump into Amamake or some such system with one of those >10k from a gate or station for more than 2 minutes. So what do you use? A Vagabond to get away quick? But surely the point of the Black Ops is that you can decloak when the time is right?
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2007.12.26 20:43:00 - [11] the Mach for sure..
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:04:00 - [12] I think I'll choose the Panther. I like the idea of sneaking about like a U-boat commander!
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:12:00 - [13] All of them are a waste of ISK for solo pvp because 3 T1 cruisers will kill you ... I think you should train for a Sacrilege / Astarte / Sleipnir ... Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:20:00 - [14] I've just realised Black Ops can't fit covert ops cloaks. Suddenly, I'm not so interested in Black Ops any more.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.12.26 22:55:00 - [15] Of those listed I would say Machariel, but quite frankly for me personally faction or t2 battleships are a tad bit to expensive for their buck. I would prefer a normal battleship with a good faction fit I could loose 4 or 5 times as opposed to loosing 1 decently t2 fitted t2/faction battleship. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Culitza	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Lazuran All of them are a waste of ISK for solo pvp because 3 T1 cruisers will kill you ... I think you should train for a Sacrilege / Astarte / Sleipnir ... 3 cruisers will kill a sac, if piloted right. 3 cruisers can kill astarte. But 3 cruisers will NEVER kill a nano-mach. If they so much as come into warp disrupt range they're as good as dead. Only if they're 3 stabbers fitted for speed or 3 ecm/dampener boats. But that would take ages and skill from the cruiser pilots.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Lazuran All of them are a waste of ISK for solo pvp because 3 T1 cruisers will kill you ... I think you should train for a Sacrilege / Astarte / Sleipnir ... BAHAHAHA! --
NoNah	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Culitza 3 cruisers will kill a sac, if piloted right. 3 cruisers can kill astarte. But 3 cruisers will NEVER kill a nano-mach. If they so much as come into warp disrupt range they're as good as dead. Only if they're 3 stabbers fitted for speed or 3 ecm/dampener boats. But that would take ages and skill from the cruiser pilots. Actually I reckon quite a number of ships can kill the mach 3:1 among the t1 cruisers. Arbitrator comes to mind, Thorax I bet, ECM/Damp ships and stabbers as you mention, and all of a sudden you've accounted for most of the ships. That said it's no done deal and will still be an interesting fight. Postcount: 62082
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:39:00 - [19] if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Culitza Originally by: Lazuran All of them are a waste of ISK for solo pvp because 3 T1 cruisers will kill you ... I think you should train for a Sacrilege / Astarte / Sleipnir ... 3 cruisers will kill a sac, if piloted right. 3 cruisers can kill astarte. But 3 cruisers will NEVER kill a nano-mach. If they so much as come into warp disrupt range they're as good as dead. Only if they're 3 stabbers fitted for speed or 3 ecm/dampener boats. But that would take ages and skill from the cruiser pilots. Blackbird, Thorax, Pretty much anything that can deal semi-decent DPS To be fair a BB can turn the tide of any small gang vs 1 person fight. It should be able to perma-jam anything sub-capital (and recons) with good skills.
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.27 00:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Shardrael if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it. I think I'll do this!
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2007.12.27 01:07:00 - [22] Edited by: Lorz0r on 27/12/2007 01:08:10 Originally by: Shardrael if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it. Providing you can still fit 100MN MWD's to command ships the Sleipnir can double that Speed. Also - it has no tanking ship bonus so I completely fail to see how this ship would be massively superior to a Tempest in terms of tanking - it has 1 more low slot and 2500 more armour??? So it comes down to the old 4 billion on any BS is going to be extremely hard to ***. EDIT: what the ** - this forum sensors the word 'crac.k'???
Jack Target The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.27 06:00:00 - [23] Edited by: Jack Target on 27/12/2007 06:01:23 Originally by: Lorz0r Edited by: Lorz0r on 27/12/2007 01:08:10 Originally by: Shardrael if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it. Providing you can still fit 100MN MWD's to command ships the Sleipnir can double that Speed. Also - it has no tanking ship bonus so I completely fail to see how this ship would be massively superior to a Tempest in terms of tanking - it has 1 more low slot and 2500 more armour??? So it comes down to the old 4 billion on any BS is going to be extremely hard to ***. EDIT: what the ** - this forum sensors the word 'crac.k'??? According to Eve Fitting tool, you can still fit a 100mn MWD on a Sleipnir. However, the align time becomes 30 seconds. I think this means the mass of the MWD has been made much larger, so the Sleipnir would turn like a petrol tanker and accelerate to maximum speed really slowly. So basically, it's been nerfed!
Alyth Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.27 23:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Jack Target According to Eve Fitting tool, you can still fit a 100mn MWD on a Sleipnir. However, the align time becomes 30 seconds. I think this means the mass of the MWD has been made much larger, so the Sleipnir would turn like a petrol tanker and accelerate to maximum speed really slowly. So basically, it's been nerfed! It's always been that way, oversized MWD and AB have a negative impact on your maneuverability while they are running. Basically you CAN go really fast but only in a straight line. -------------------------------------------
Jakben Imbel	Posted - 2007.12.28 00:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Jack Target Edited by: Jack Target on 27/12/2007 06:01:23 Originally by: Lorz0r Edited by: Lorz0r on 27/12/2007 01:08:10 Originally by: Shardrael if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it. Providing you can still fit 100MN MWD's to command ships the Sleipnir can double that Speed. Also - it has no tanking ship bonus so I completely fail to see how this ship would be massively superior to a Tempest in terms of tanking - it has 1 more low slot and 2500 more armour??? So it comes down to the old 4 billion on any BS is going to be extremely hard to ***. EDIT: what the ** - this forum sensors the word 'crac.k'??? According to Eve Fitting tool, you can still fit a 100mn MWD on a Sleipnir. However, the align time becomes 30 seconds. I think this means the mass of the MWD has been made much larger, so the Sleipnir would turn like a petrol tanker and accelerate to maximum speed really slowly. So basically, it's been nerfed! what happens when you fit the next size mwd up? do you get a 50x speed bonus? do you accelerate 10x as fast? i can imagine taking 10x as long to align, but damn, that sounds funny as hell
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.28 01:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Culitza Edited by: Culitza on 26/12/2007 20:32:09 even if all of eve hates bruce :) I'm gonna be a nice guy and give you a piece of advice lol. Machariel is the closest thing to a solo-pwn mobile in eve atm. 6 x 800mm repeating artillery II. 2 x heavy neuts, or 2 x siege launchers. ( Republic fleet EMP/Fusion/PP L in cargo ) Dont use t2 ammo or you wont be able to hit anything. warp disr, sens booster, cap booster, gist x-type 10mn mwd. 3 x OD t2, 1 x nanofiber, 2 x republic fleet gyrostabs, 1 x DCU II. rigs: 1 x polycarb t2, 2 x polycarb t1 ECM drones, or combat, whatever suits you. Do you really think that he'd kill the required 300ish BS solo with it which would make it financially worthwhile? Rifters!
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.28 02:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Jack Target Edited by: Jack Target on 27/12/2007 06:01:23 Originally by: Lorz0r Edited by: Lorz0r on 27/12/2007 01:08:10 Originally by: Shardrael if you pimp it out a machariel can stay alive indefinetly in low sec and for a long time in 0.0 assuming you dont make any big mistakes. either nano or double rep it. spend about 4 bil either way, one can sit there and tank 4 or 5 bs the other can go 10k a sec. pick whichever style of flying you like, and if you arent experienced enough with the ship beforehand then buy a couple tempests and try them out first to get the hang of flying it. Providing you can still fit 100MN MWD's to command ships the Sleipnir can double that Speed. Also - it has no tanking ship bonus so I completely fail to see how this ship would be massively superior to a Tempest in terms of tanking - it has 1 more low slot and 2500 more armour??? So it comes down to the old 4 billion on any BS is going to be extremely hard to ***. EDIT: what the ** - this forum sensors the word 'crac.k'??? According to Eve Fitting tool, you can still fit a 100mn MWD on a Sleipnir. However, the align time becomes 30 seconds. I think this means the mass of the MWD has been made much larger, so the Sleipnir would turn like a petrol tanker and accelerate to maximum speed really slowly. So basically, it's been nerfed! If you're fitting an MWD, the align time of a ship is always 10 seconds max. That said, you'd probably run out of cap in like 3 jumps. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Horza Otho Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2007.12.28 02:21:00 - [28] Machariel. 6x Dual 650 II 2x faction/officer smartbombs 1x gist x mwd 1x domination wd 1x domination webby 1x heavy t2 cap booster 1x w/e (web, wd, another injector) 2x core x/centus x LAR 1x dcu II 3x corpum eanm 1x hakim/gotan gyro ecm drones 2x aux nano II 1x aux nano t1 hg slaves WTA 30mSP Char
FraXy 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.28 03:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Horza Otho Machariel. 6x Dual 650 II 2x faction/officer smartbombs 1x gist x mwd 1x domination wd 1x domination webby 1x heavy t2 cap booster 1x w/e (web, wd, another injector) 2x core x/centus x LAR 1x dcu II 3x corpum eanm 1x hakim/gotan gyro ecm drones 2x aux nano II 1x aux nano t1 hg slaves 2x Aux Pump II takes 150 Calibration each and T1 version takes 100. With 2x Aux II you can only fit 50 Calibration rigs in last slot which is T1 resist rigs. One man's junk is FraXy's choice of weapon to kill you with.
Horza Otho Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2007.12.28 03:54:00 - [30] Originally by: FraXy Originally by: Horza Otho Machariel. 6x Dual 650 II 2x faction/officer smartbombs 1x gist x mwd 1x domination wd 1x domination webby 1x heavy t2 cap booster 1x w/e (web, wd, another injector) 2x core x/centus x LAR 1x dcu II 3x corpum eanm 1x hakim/gotan gyro ecm drones 2x aux nano II 1x aux nano t1 hg slaves 2x Aux Pump II takes 150 Calibration each and T1 version takes 100. With 2x Aux II you can only fit 50 Calibration rigs in last slot which is T1 resist rigs. Damn, my bad. I hadn't ever noticed a difference in the calibration costs and how they differed between certain rigs. Never the less, the same combo still applies, just with different tech levels. :D WTA 30mSP Char

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