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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:00:00 -
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I have noticed Omber appear in level 3 missions every now and then, so I am doing a mission now, "Downing the Slavers (2 of 2)" and there are like 10 Omber roids. I killed everyone but did not go through the first gate yet. Instead, am back with my Retriever and am mining the Omber into cans, to pick up with my Badger Mark II. I was wondering if the pirates will automatically respawn after a certain time and blow me out of the water???
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:01:00 -
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For that matter, does anyone else mine in the missions? I've never had them respawn on me, and I'm thinking it'd be a nice way to mine privately.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente When Darkness Falls
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:13:00 -
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If there are rats in regular belts in the system, you'll have rats spawn in your mission. (forget the exact security sector rules for rat spawns)
They will be standard common or garden belt rats for the area.
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:15:00 -
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Yeah I'm in a 0.7 system so I can take care of normal rats with my drones. I was just concerned about the mission rats respawning. I've never seen it happen.
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Yiorgos P
Gallente Neuro Cartographic Services Drunken N Disorderly
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:16:00 -
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And if you don't complete the mission until next DT, you will have the whole initial mission spawn, respawned! So if the ores are good and you want to delay and lose the bonus reward, which isn't a matter since usually the ores will bring you a lot more, you will have to clean the belt after each DT with your mission boat, then move in your retriever and hauler, and watch for the smaller spawns you get, according to the system's security level.
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:26:00 -
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Wow this is awesome. Yeah the mission bonus is only $600K but the Omber is worth a lot more. I doubt this is considered an exploit since it's in the game. I have heard of finding Omber in high-sec but haven't found it anywhere until now. My guess is it all gets mined to oblivion as soon as the server is back up.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2007.12.27 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stovetop Cookie I have heard of finding Omber in high-sec but haven't found it anywhere until now.
Omber is not so difficult to find in high sec (0.5 or 0.6 systems) if you are in the right regions (Minmatar or Gallente space). But with the current Isogen market prices there is no reason to mine Omber: it is almost the worst ore in terms of ISK per mining hour (only Jaspet is worse), Scordite and even Veldspar is a lot more profitable since quite a long time.
The demand of the different minerals for building stuff and the locations of the necessary ore types to refine those minerals is totally unbalanced at the moment: Veldspar in 1.0 systems and the less profitable Spudomain only deep in 0.0 space - that's crazy...
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente When Darkness Falls
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Posted - 2007.12.27 18:42:00 -
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Even though the prices might be poor, as you are running lvl3's, it's worth while mining some of the omber simply to store for when you get a "materials of war" storyline asking for it.
But the previous poster hits it on the head. You might be able to generate more isk doing more missions in the time it takes you to mine. (opportunity cost)
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.27 21:55:00 -
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Really? That's strange cause I always thought that Veldspar (Tritanium) and Scordite (Trit. and Pyrite) were the cheapest stuff.
The difference is more clear when one realizes it takes 500 units of Omber to refine, rather than only 333 with Scordite and Veldspar.
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Nabar Phargal
Gallente Anqara Expeditions
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Posted - 2007.12.27 22:12:00 -
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That mission has some scordite and veld rocks as well. You'll be a bit safer from ore thieves mining in the mission than you would in a belt.
A couple of the Enemies Abound missions have some kernite, which is handy for L4 Materials for War storylines. Mining them is a pain though. You have to come in through an acceleration gate. |
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.27 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nabar Phargal That mission has some scordite and veld rocks as well. You'll be a bit safer from ore thieves mining in the mission than you would in a belt.
That was my thinking as well, although I have also read that there are ways of people entering other people's mission zones... I guess you're not safe anywhere, but you do have a good point; mining even the basic minerals in these spaces would greatly mitigate the possibility of encountering ore thieves. And as a previous poster had mentioned, the money to gain from it will in fact outweigh the bonus I'd be giving up.
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Iracham
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:00:00 -
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Has anyone actually gotten the Materials for War Preparation storyline since trinity? I've heard they don't show up anymore (and kernite/omber sales have gone down in heavily trafficked storyline systems.)
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Iracham Has anyone actually gotten the Materials for War Preparation storyline since trinity? I've heard they don't show up anymore (and kernite/omber sales have gone down in heavily trafficked storyline systems.)
Come to think of it, since Trinity all I have been getting are couriers for storylines. They might have removed the Materials for War Prep since all one needs to do is buy it.
I remember the first time I got a Materials mission. I actually let it expire because I couldn't figure out what to do! Then a buddy told me all I needed to do was buy the minerals but I figured it was too easy.
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Stovetop Cookie Really? That's strange cause I always thought that Veldspar (Tritanium) and Scordite (Trit. and Pyrite) were the cheapest stuff.
The difference is more clear when one realizes it takes 500 units of Omber to refine, rather than only 333 with Scordite and Veldspar.
Also, when you calculate how much ore is worth, you need to calculate the price per cubic meter (m3). All your mining equpiment works off m3s so looking at the unit price alone is misleading.
Mission mining is a great way to spawn big, private roid fields. A lot of missions have tons of Veldspar, which is and has been for a while now one of the most profitable ores to mine.
Omber has a high unit cost, but since it's so big you mine less per cycle and it's actually worth less (much less) on an m3 basis than Veldspar or Scordite.
Most markets the highsec ores go something like this in value:
Kernite Plag Veld/Scordite Pyro Omber
As you can see, demand is highest for ores that refine to mexallon, followed by trit and pyerite. The isogen market is flooded and has been for months. I'm not sure where it's all coming from but it needs to stop ----- My in Eve Profile My BattleClinic Page |
Thenoran
Caldari Frontier Economics Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:33:00 -
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Don't forget though that Kernite and Omber in public/system belts are usually still mined heavily by both players and macrominers. For those needing Isogen in large quantities (like myself) for production any private Omber or Kernite roid can be worth gold.
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Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:34:00 -
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Kernite is also on top (sells for ~2x refine price) because you need like 6000k of it or something to get a mission reward for an implant.
It seems to have gone down, but it may just be a market flux.
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Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:40:00 -
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I am still inclined to beleive however that due to the large amount of Isogen one receives from processing Omber that it is still worth mining for its own sake.
Consider that 41.7% of each refined Omber batch is Isogen, equal to the Tritanium yield from it. (http://www.evegeek.com/ore_info.php) Yet Isogen sells for on average $60/unit while Tritanium (100% from Veldspar) sells for less than $3. Perhaps I am still missing something here?
Private mining in itself is great, since can-mining in a retriever is pretty efficient until I have the skills to fly the Hulk. I can fill my Badger Mark II every half-hour or so.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Stovetop Cookie Consider that 41.7% of each refined Omber batch is Isogen, equal to the Tritanium yield from it. (http://www.evegeek.com/ore_info.php) Yet Isogen sells for on average $60/unit while Tritanium (100% from Veldspar) sells for less than $3. Perhaps I am still missing something here?
What you are missing is the consideration of the cubic meters the different ore types have. As someone already said above the amount of ore a mining laser can mine in one cycle time is based on the volume in cbm, NOT the ore units. Because the cbm of a Veldspar unit is a lot smaller than an Omber unit you can mine much more Veldspar units than Omber units in the same time.
For instance: With current average market prices for the (optimal) refined minerals you have a value of
- 9,31 ISK per Veldspar unit - 47,37 ISK per Omber unit
So at a first glance Omber seems to be better. But based on the cubic meters (0,1 cbm/Veldspar unit and 0,6 cbm/Omber unit) (and that's directly proportional to the mining time) we have:
- 93,09 ISK per cbm of Veldspar - 78,94 ISK per cbm of Omber
With a Covetor + Modulated Strip Miners + T2-Crystals + T1 Mining Drones + skills this leads to:
- 8.180.816,22 ISK per mining hour for Veldspar - 6.937.366,46 ISK per mining hour for Omber
(minus hauling time, so it's a bit less, but the same amount less for both ore types because you will mine the same cbm/same number of jet cans in this mining hour)
But I agree: To have a quiet deadspace area and large rocks and not only a small rest of ore is a good argument to mine the mission roids nevertheless.
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Zaknussem
Caldari The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2007.12.28 12:09:00 -
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I keep a list of every mission that has Omber 'roids in them, and take the time to mine the ore. I think it's worth it.
Also, one of the new Trinity missions (New Frontiers 1/7) not only has Omber 'roids, but Gneiss 'roids as well, if you fancy some Zydrine. I've also heard of a L4 mission that had Hedbergite 'roids in it, but I haven't been able to verify that myself. |
Stovetop Cookie
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Posted - 2007.12.30 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kolmogorow
Originally by: Stovetop Cookie Consider that 41.7% of each refined Omber batch is Isogen, equal to the Tritanium yield from it. (http://www.evegeek.com/ore_info.php) Yet Isogen sells for on average $60/unit while Tritanium (100% from Veldspar) sells for less than $3. Perhaps I am still missing something here?
What you are missing is the consideration of the cubic meters the different ore types have. As someone already said above the amount of ore a mining laser can mine in one cycle time is based on the volume in cbm, NOT the ore units. Because the cbm of a Veldspar unit is a lot smaller than an Omber unit you can mine much more Veldspar units than Omber units in the same time.
For instance: With current average market prices for the (optimal) refined minerals you have a value of
- 9,31 ISK per Veldspar unit - 47,37 ISK per Omber unit
So at a first glance Omber seems to be better. But based on the cubic meters (0,1 cbm/Veldspar unit and 0,6 cbm/Omber unit) (and that's directly proportional to the mining time) we have:
- 93,09 ISK per cbm of Veldspar - 78,94 ISK per cbm of Omber
With a Covetor + Modulated Strip Miners + T2-Crystals + T1 Mining Drones + skills this leads to:
- 8.180.816,22 ISK per mining hour for Veldspar - 6.937.366,46 ISK per mining hour for Omber
(minus hauling time, so it's a bit less, but the same amount less for both ore types because you will mine the same cbm/same number of jet cans in this mining hour)
But I agree: To have a quiet deadspace area and large rocks and not only a small rest of ore is a good argument to mine the mission roids nevertheless.
Your post inspired me to perform some calculations of my own, based on my current setup:
OMBER (500) 0.6 cu. m
.. Trt = 307 .. Pyr = 123 .. Iso = 307
SCORDITE (333) 0.15 cu. m
.. Trt = 833 .. Pyr = 416
VELDSPAR (333) 0.1 cu. m
.. Trt = 1,000
My current mining yield: 1,780 cu. m (Retriever with two Strip Miners) Per three minutes (0.05 hs)
In one hour:
ore/hr = (mining yield cu. m) * (1 unit/density cu. m) * (20 cycles/hr)
Omber = 59,333 units (total batch = 59,000) Scordite = 237,333 units (total batch = 237,096) Tritanium = 356,000 units (total batch = 355,977)
The mineral yields would be (assuming perfect refine):
ore->mineral (total batch / batch) * (amount of mineral from refine)
Also assume more or less average market values:
Omb->Trt = (59,000 / 500) * 307 = 36,226 * $2.70 = $97,810 Omb->Pyr = (59,000 / 500) * 123 = 14,514 * $4.00 = $58,056 Omb->Iso = (59,000 / 500) * 307 = 36,226 * $60.00 = $2,173,560 TOTAL ISK PER HOUR FROM OMBER = $2,329,426
Scr->Trt = (237,096 / 333) * 833 * 2.70 = 1,601,359 Scr->Pyr = (237,096 / 333) * 416 * 4.00 = 0,296,192 TOTAL ISK PER HOUR FROM SCORDITE = $1,601,655
Vld->Trt = (355,977 / 333) * 1,000 * 2.7 = $2,886,300
I never would have thought that Veldspar would outdo something like Omber but when you consider how low-density it is it makes sense!
I ought to calculate similarly for Plagioclase and Pyroxeres. Bettter yet, I can make an Excel sheet.
Nonetheless, it's nice to have a private asteroid field without having to worry about the ore thieves.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2007.12.30 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Stovetop Cookie I never would have thought that Veldspar would outdo something like Omber but when you consider how low-density it is it makes sense!
Omber was the No.1 high sec ore for quite a long time but it has changed. Imo the mineral prices began to move drastically when the Tier-3 Battleships and the Tier-2 Battlecruisers came out one year ago: Trit, Py, Mex prices started to raise and the prices of the other minerals dropped (Isogen from around 120 to 60 ISK today). I'm not sure what's really the reason for that, maybe more people mine in low sec and 0.0 and there is a supply of high end minerals which exceeds the demand.
B.t.w.: Something in your Scordite calculation is wrong, I think this line: "Scr->Pyr = (237,096 / 333) * 416 * 4.00 = 0,296,192" Also Scordite should give more ISK than Omber.
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Dagle
Minmatar Sanctuary Aegis Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.30 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Stovetop Cookie
Scr->Trt = (237,096 / 333) * 833 * 2.70 = 1,601,359 Scr->Pyr = (237,096 / 333) * 416 * 4.00 = 0,296,192 TOTAL ISK PER HOUR FROM SCORDITE = $1,601,655
I ought to calculate similarly for Plagioclase and Pyroxeres. Bettter yet, I can make an Excel sheet.
Nonetheless, it's nice to have a private asteroid field without having to worry about the ore thieves.
Scr->Pyr = (237,096 / 333) * 416 * 4.00 = 0,296,192 <-- This should be 1,184,768 total from Scordite: 2,786,127
The benefit of that mission ore is mostly a quiet/private mining field that you can refresh daily until mission runs out. The ore should be worth around 20-25m total value if you get it all (unlikely in a retreiver).
Now if you think that's impressive, you should see some of the Lv 4 mining missions which have 3-4 million units of veld and/or scordite (518k m^3 is the largest one I've cleared). I've not seen anything but plain jane veld/scord in those missions so far. Of course you also have to clear about 45k m^3 of 'target' ore which is unrefinable and typically is a 0.0 or low sec ore type. However, they're good private mining fields for a skilled miner. They're pretty decent LP pay if you have the right skills trained and you can work your standings without going into combat. The only rats I've seen in those mining missions are belt rats.
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