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nether void
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:54:00 -
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The risk vs reward thread made me think of a question that might make things better for the whole 'we want more people in 0.0 so we can blast them' problem.
Firstly this is a question as I'm just back to the game after a year's time away (and I'm still for the most part a noob concerning advanced 0.0 corp operation): Are there any alliances/corps who have opened up a section of 0.0 for any PVEer to come on in and reap the rewards? By that I mean 'claimed' a section and said 'any and all are free to come here unless you're a PVP pirate'? I know other games have had anti-PKers, but are there any in Eve who are not only anti-PK but also trying to make a section of 0.0 open to the public?
Think about that! It would be great for everyone:
- High sec people get a place for some 0.0 play without being assured to be blown to bits - 0.0 pirates get a chance at some PVE meat, and it will pose a risk (anti-PK police) - Anti-pirates get a chance to police the PVP pirates (PVPers looking for real PVP challenge)
It seems like the only thing this game is missing (and it could exist, but I haven't heard of it) is a 'free' state, open to anyone so long as they aren't there to kill players. I think that's probably the best place for everyone to have their cake, and pretty much eat it too.
Thoughts? --------------------------- nethervoid - since '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|EVE|HZ|NWN|VG|WoW] |
Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dez Affinity on 27/12/2007 23:57:43 Delve is what you are looking for.
Edit: Sorry, this isn't COAD, sorry for trolling. _______________
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:04:00 -
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CVA hold Providence, they operate with a NRDS policy and hunt anyone who's a pirate. --
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: N1fty CVA hold Providence, they operate with a NRDS policy and hunt anyone who's a pirate.
For the uninitiated, NRDS = not red don't shoot
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3nkil
The Chocolate Factory
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:07:00 -
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b) join an alliance in 0.0 and you don't have to worry about it ?
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nether void
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:08:00 -
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That's awesome! Is there a lot of action there? On all sides, I would imagine? --------------------------- nethervoid - since '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|EVE|HZ|NWN|VG|WoW] |
Micia
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: nether void That's awesome! Is there a lot of action there? On all sides, I would imagine?
Keep in mind that certain unnamed freedom-fighter groups take a dim view of those trading & treating with CVA.
Providence does sound like you are looking for, given the original post. Just sayin'... keep those eyes peeled, if you decide to head in. _______ We are Ushra'Khan. We come for our people. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:22:00 -
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I hear Amamake is like that
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2007.12.28 00:50:00 -
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None of them are really 'free space'. There have been a few attempts at running 'free trade zones', the most noteable being ISS and their outposts, but they don't really work. The effort involved in keeping it 'free' is by far too much for someone just playing a game.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:02:00 -
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I can think of RSF's free trade zone. It's not a "free" trade zone, it's a "free trade" zone. Prices are ridiculously low anyway. 2isk
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:05:00 -
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Free space is only free till all the pirates move in
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:08:00 -
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NPC Systems such as Venal, Stain etc etc
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:33:00 -
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Another way of going about getting access to 0.0 would be to try a little player to player communication.
Figure out what you have to offer a space holding alliance and approach their diplomats with an offer.
You give alliance X in exchange the alliance sets you to +5 or whatever.
No alliance is going to go about protecting you from the dangers of 0.0 so you will have to learn to survive and adapt.
That being said surviving in 0.0 isn't that hard once you have some experience.
Isk farmers rat all day everyday and make an assload of isk. They die sometimes but they're prety good at survival.
If you just want to get access to 0.0 without actually learning to play or takings risk you are probably out of luck. . .. WELP! .. . |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 01:48:00 -
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You could also pay RAK for a highsec mining permit
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
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drones man
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:43:00 -
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don't go to prov if you want do live. It's hotter than a really hot fire! Trium have it camped tighter than a crabs arse right now.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.28 02:59:00 -
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Yeah, CVA allow people to operate in Providence but you will be shot at by their numerous enemies, us included. Harsh but we can't have the enemy economy benefiting from unhindered trade. That and if you trade with the slavers you are guilty of crimes against the Matari people.
ISS used to run free space and so did we when we held Unity station. You will normally find some rules like the holding alliance gets first dibs on plexes and such. Many empire building alliances will welcome trade though, fuel in particular. It is expensive to run a 0.0 empire so all the trade revenue / refining tax & docking fees you can get is always welcome.
Don't think in terms of anti-PK though, that should die with Everquest. Eve is a PvP game pure and simple, you go out on the rim you'd best be prepared to fight.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 28/12/2007 04:45:37
Security risk to the alliance? Drains wealth away from the alliance? Increases headaches for the alliance leaders? Can 'cause diplomatic "incidents" to occur with greater frequency? Ya, I don't think this idea will fly with most alliances.
But a few have tried before... I hear Goonswarm had something like that in fact. Someone could do it again.
Or get a cloak, fit it to your Raven, get an alt in a scout, and pretend to be a real isk farmer. ---
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Ackaroth
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus
Or get a cloak, fit it to your Raven, get an alt in a scout, and pretend to be a real isk farmer.
I always wanted to do this with an alt :p ___________________
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.28 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 28/12/2007 08:21:16 @OP Providence seems like one of the places you'll want to be. but contact some diplomats of the ruling alliances, because there's some stuff you will want to know:
- ratting rules (aka "chaining") and other rules - standing setting (so instead of neutral, you are "blue") - intel channels - best systems to be in - etc.
and be aware that whole providence is in war with TRI now (or viceversa ^^) so the access routes are not exactly safe and if you don't pay attention to intel channels you can get yourself killed pretty fast.
and i wonder... aren't there any other regions like providence? with NRDS policies?
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Max Godsnottlingson
Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.12.28 10:15:00 -
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Let me clear something up for all you guys in Empire who are looking at 0.0 as your next step.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE ACCESS TO 0.0 ANYWHERE IN EVE.
Yes, there is good iskies to be made, but it's all at a cost.
You might not have to actually pay isk for access, but may well have to pay time for access by taking part on PvP or mining Ops. Even player pirates and those who come raiding into specific areas of 0.0 have to pay, because inevitably it's done at the expence of their own wallet and time.
0.0 is great, it's the most fun I've had while I've been in Eve, but it's hard work at times. Yes, you can still make lots of iskes, but it is not the cash cow it once might have been. So forget about any free access to 0.0 but come down all the same, and enjoy some new challenges.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Let me clear something up for all you guys in Empire who are looking at 0.0 as your next step.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE ACCESS TO 0.0 ANYWHERE IN EVE.
Yes, there is good iskies to be made, but it's all at a cost.
You might not have to actually pay isk for access, but may well have to pay time for access by taking part on PvP or mining Ops. Even player pirates and those who come raiding into specific areas of 0.0 have to pay, because inevitably it's done at the expence of their own wallet and time.
0.0 is great, it's the most fun I've had while I've been in Eve, but it's hard work at times. Yes, you can still make lots of iskes, but it is not the cash cow it once might have been. So forget about any free access to 0.0 but come down all the same, and enjoy some new challenges.
NPC regions such as Stain, Venal etc etc. Where the 0.0 players hang out without becoming slaves to their corps.
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Lagar
Caldari Core Domination
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:21:00 -
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0.0 systems are by design ment to truely test the people to enter it.
for example. 1.0 space is exelent for newbes and the lower security rating the more experienced one have to be in eve.
0.4-0.1 means that you have to be carefull around belts beceause not only are they more defended but it also introduces the concept of having other players that are by far much more deadly than the npc rats..
and finaly 0.0 space is where the players actualy can start and literly own the entire system, there are some exeptions ex pirate systems with their npc stations, but at this point you will most likly encounter players with the intent of protecting "their" region from any outside contact that is not in their alliance or allied to their alliance and those kind of alliances usualy have to be negociated BEFORE entering it beceause otherwise you are essentialy asking for being taken care of on sight.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE ACCESS TO 0.0 ANYWHERE IN EVE.
You might not have to actually pay isk for access, but may well have to pay time for access by taking part on PvP or mining Ops.
did you actually visit ALL 0.0 systems in eve? no? thought so. why don't u get a clue before opening your mouth again?
any "neutral" is welcome to visit providence as far as i know. only thing he's asked for is to follow a few rules and guidelines. ofc if you have a corp and you want to move your whole corp over to 0.0 and maybe think about setting up a few POS, then we will probably ask for something in exchange like helping in defense (which sounds logical if you make providence your new home, you'll want to defend it). but for a single individual? i don't think we ask for anything in exchange.
anyways, to the OP: just contact any of the major providence alliance diplomats for details. that would be the safe bet.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.28 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lagar Edited by: Lagar on 28/12/2007 11:35:56 0.0 systems are by design ment to truely test the people to enter it.
for example. 1.0 space is exelent for newbes and the lower security rating the more experienced one have to be in eve.
0.4-0.1 means that you have to be carefull around belts beceause not only are they more defended but it also introduces the concept of having other players that are by far much more deadly than the npc rats..
and finaly 0.0 space is where the players actualy can start and literly own the entire system, there are some exeptions ex pirate systems with their npc stations, but at this point you will most likly encounter players with the intent of protecting "their" region from any outside contact that is not in their alliance or allied to their alliance and those kind of alliances usualy have to be negociated BEFORE entering it beceause otherwise you are essentialy asking for being taken care of on sight.
also the conept of having a 0.0 region that anyone can enter for free have been proven time and time again to be a impossibile feat simply beceause if it's free there will be pirates there as well and trying to police it is purely impossible and in the end will be hammered down by bigger alliances due to more experience in handling large fleets..
just to add: in my experience, 0.0 is safer than lowsec (0.1-0.4) and can be safer than highsec (when at war) as you are in systems controlled by your alliance with intel channels, and other stuff u might not have in highsec
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:24:00 -
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syndicate is what your looking for
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Burlock Ironfist
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.28 14:13:00 -
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there are a few stations in pure blind that are free ports, not exactly run as such, but im pretty sure anyone can dock in them
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DeadWeight
Minmatar Botox Bandits
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Posted - 2007.12.28 14:25:00 -
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It really depends on what you are expecting from 0.0 space. If you are there for the better rats and exploration content, then why not just go to one of the NPC pirate regions. Whether its Curse, Venal or fountain, you will find plenty of NPC stations to dock at without needing permission from anyone. Recon your immediate neighborhood, have a look at the map and find some place it would be difficult to become trapped in. Over time you will make friends, know who you can trust and who to avoid. Its all part of the adventure. Stop relying on other people's space for content, and stop padding their wallets with docking fees or refine taxes. Take a chance, and jump into the unknown. Make EvE your own.
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Bishman82
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.12.28 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny You could also pay RAK for a highsec mining permit
While stocks last!
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Sovereign533
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.28 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sovereign533 on 28/12/2007 14:52:16 it did exist
The Big Blue - a really good alliance that had a lot of open space in the east of Eve. they eventually got kicked out when the main PvP corporation left (at least, that's what i heard) Interstellar Starbase Syndicate - they had some open outposts in the south and i think also one in the north, they made the wrong friends and got kicked out of their homes by their enemy's. they tried to be neutral, but it didn't worked out that way. ASCN - (not sure of the full name) an alliance that held most of the south, build the first titan ingame, and held the record for most outposts/stations, they got eventually kicked out by BoB forces attacking them from the west. they were also the first alliance to LOSE a Titan ingame, the memorial is still there in space somewhere. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomate - (however you write it) they are also in the south, in the Catch region. they are currently in a war situation, so i think their systems are closed for non-friendlies at the moment.
i don't know of any other alliance with open borders...
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.28 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai and i wonder... aren't there any other regions like providence? with NRDS policies?
None I've seen, not even the alliance I ended up signing on with after I left Providence as a non-aligned ratter.
Most of the big players are paranoid about neutrals, for reasons that you can argue the validity or lack thereof all day, if you want.
There are non-alliance corporations I've seen swing deals with the territorial alliances to rat/mine/whatever in their space as tenants, but don't ask me what kind of deals are involved, I'm not that high up in the food chain.
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