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Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.12.27 23:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 28/12/2007 00:16:23 OK, so I'm following the general trend here and starting my last .D.B. related thread, as this will now become the monthly update thread and an "All your Dusk Blade" stop ;) AKA the .D.B. E-peen thread :) 2007 Initial IPO Thread August (half-month) 7% ROI on 100k per share. October 10.7% ROI on 100k per share. November 6% ROI on 100k per share. December (coming soon) 14% ROI on 100k per share. Improve Market Competition!
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.12.27 23:56:00 - [2] .D.B. is releasing it's dividend early so New Years Eve celebrations can go ahead without interruption. FYI, no dividends were harmed in the procurement of Exotic Dancers, Spirits, Quaffe, Blue Pill and Crash for this occasion. Now for the brass tacks. What didn't happen this month? Eh, Christmas stuff meant a lot of stuff got sidelined for the month. Datacore harvesting got sidetracked a little by more pressing skilltrains, mission running didnt happen and I'm currently AFK Ice Mining whilst working from home (cheers boss!). HOWEVER, as I'm sure most of you noticed, T2 component prices went ballistic after Trinity. It was a fairly rough ride, but .D.B. anticipated it, and had just enough capital to anticipate it and keep it's head above water throughout. As a result, I'm pretty chuffed to announce a record monthly profit of 4 billion isk. Means 570 million is being paid out to investors in dividends, at 14280 isk per share, or 14% ROI for initial investors (shares purchased at 100k isk). On the back of Novembers lower profits, this is a pretty good recovery, and hopefully a nice late xmas present for everyone :) Shareholder list coming soon, gotta do some more work :( Improve Market Competition!
Balogh Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange	Posted - 2007.12.28 00:00:00 - [3] I've updated the Dusk Blade description on RESX to link to this thread instead of the IPO thread, as the IPO thread is too old to reply on. ________________ Real-time EVE Stock Exchange, Blog Feature request: Share transfer log
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.12.28 00:01:00 - [4] Cheers Balogh :) Was just about to send you this thread but it seems you're pretty on the ball with that! Improve Market Competition!
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.12.28 00:34:00 - [5] I am continually happy I invested in this. Unlike many other IPO's who are turning in 4-5% returns, you're actually giving great returns. If only the money I had in this was far larger Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.12.28 01:21:00 - [6] Shareholder List as at 28/12 1 Kaisa Pelarar 24 Real-time EVE Stock Exchange 100 Andeh33 100 Colkov Goroshnicov 100 Dr Blindless 110 William Walker 150 Karugan 150 Razorfish012 225 Citadel Enterprises 250 Council on Foreign Relation 500 Bug Out 500 leona starfire 500 Marcathonas 500 Ryveth 500 Zelseus 700 Arilius 750 Savaran Zhayedan Spah 1000 Achnaton 1000 Blue Dice 1000 British Invader 1000 Polly Perks 1160 Gawain Edmond 2000 Auri Hella 2000 Dale Helsing 2000 Havok Pierce 2000 Paul Horach 2000 Resinator 2000 Shadarle 2000 Strobe S 2000 Tyrelius 2500 Texhnolyze 3000 Deradur 8180 SiJira 240000 Dusk Blade Looks like a few shares have changed hands this month, at least 4000. Improve Market Competition!
Auri Hella Anqara Industries Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.28 19:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Shadarle I am continually happy I invested in this. Unlike many other IPO's who are turning in 4-5% returns, you're actually giving great returns. If only the money I had in this was far larger I can only agree. Well done Kylar.
Havok Pierce Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.28 22:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Shareholder List as at 28/12 1 Kaisa Pelarar 24 Real-time EVE Stock Exchange 100 Andeh33 100 Colkov Goroshnicov 100 Dr Blindless 110 William Walker 150 Karugan 150 Razorfish012 225 Citadel Enterprises 250 Council on Foreign Relation 500 Bug Out 500 leona starfire 500 Marcathonas 500 Ryveth 500 Zelseus 700 Arilius 750 Savaran Zhayedan Spah 1000 Achnaton 1000 Blue Dice 1000 British Invader 1000 Polly Perks 1160 Gawain Edmond 2000 Auri Hella 2000 Dale Helsing 2000 Havok Pierce 2000 Paul Horach 2000 Resinator 2000 Shadarle 2000 Strobe S 2000 Tyrelius 2500 Texhnolyze 3000 Deradur 8180 SiJira 240000 Dusk Blade Looks like a few shares have changed hands this month, at least 4000. Ricdic sold off a chunk of his shares a couple weeks ago. Guess who picked them up :D Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.12.29 02:01:00 - [9] SiJira has been making a play for a lot of these shares. Not a good enough play to get 2000 more though Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Havok Pierce Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Shadarle SiJira has been making a play for a lot of these shares. Not a good enough play to get 2000 more though You can pry my shares from my cold, dead, fingers. Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.30 09:51:00 - [11] OK, so I just cashed out this months dividends. Total profit for January came to 2.7 billion isk, coming to a 9.6% payout on shares purchased at 100,000 Isk. To put that into a bit of perspective, I did a few of those financial-calcul-eight-ing-mathingies. At a rough estimate, Dusk Blades current NAV is sitting at about 15.8 Billion. Including it's CNR, Charon and other assorted assets, particularly those in use by Jman, you're probably looking at about 18 billion in total. What that means is anyones guess really, coz I can't make heads or tails of how to use that. Considering I started with about 6 billion after the initial share launch in August, I'm pretty happy with that. But anyway, onto news of the month. Shareholder List Take a look up, it hasn't changed this month, people must like these shares ;) The Payout If my maths is right, it's about 9.6% as mentioned. That's better than what I expected to be honest. This month was plauged by troubles (coming up) which saw the budget stretched very thin, but Feburary should see things regain control slowly. Currently, all ISK is tied up in assets, which leaves about 200 mil liquid floating around in case of emergency. Troubles? OK, so my NAV is about 18 billion, triple what I started with. Well consider this. Back in those days I'd use all that in my week-to-week manufacturing (some tied up in market sales, some in factories, some liquid to buy the next batch of materials). Last weeks 14% ROI to shareholders was essentially due to the fact my manufacturing costs doubled. Profit levels are fine, but the capital required to maintain my manufacturing has essentially doubled. Now for the cruncher. I usually manufacture week to week. In January, I went interstate for two weeks and was unable to attend to EVE. Therefore I had to make twice as much capital available for manufacturing. So costs have doubled, and I needed a double batch, so I needed 4 times as much liquid isk as usual. But Dusk Blade has only tripled. Heh. Yeah. No idea how, but after some penny pinching I got all characters manufacturing at full speed, leaving 6 mil in the corp kitty and not much on the market for sale. On top of that, I expected prices to drop off during this time (speculation coming to an end and all), so it was a pretty paranoid two weeks. But, we're safe on the other side now :) Dusk Blade's Exit Policy Uh, yeah, between Christmas, NYE, absence for two weeks and everyone deciding to take leave (besides me) at work, it hasn't happened yet. It will though. What about Jmanis? If you didn't notice, Jman has joined in the joys of Red versus Blue (on the Blue team). I threw him a donation of 200 mil just for kicks, won't chew much more than that (maybe 50 mil if i need it). If you've got spare combat alt's, come along for the ride :) Brainstorming? So I've been cooking up ideas, ways and means of doing different things, having a bit of fun and utilising the corp as it stands to make more ISK. Research has been something I've considered diving into, AND datacores, but the time constraints of mission running have weighed that back a bit. Plus the last time I had a POS it didn't make the relationship life much fun. Something I realised was that if for some crazy reason I launched all of Dusk Blades shares, I'd actually have about 32 billion (and no profit coming back, pretty dumb but hey). That in mind, I considered the worth of my corp and cooked up an idea which I'd like comment on (specially from 0.0 dwellers). I thought about chasing up a 0.0 Alliance to make Jman and a corp (not Blue) part of. Conditions being all I want is safe passage in and out, and freedom to do what I want. In exchange, I'd give 10000 shares to the alliance. That'd essentially be a 1.5bil donation, and 70-140 mil per month in tribute. There's lots of issues like "What if the alliance took it and left", or "What if they get defeated", but that's the risk. What do people think? Improve Market Competition!
Auri Hella Anqara Industries Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I thought about chasing up a 0.0 Alliance to make Jman and a corp (not Blue) part of. Why not just pay rent and not bother with giving them shares? I'm sure there are people willing to let you use a system if you just pay them (enough).
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:32:00 - [13] So in reality all shares are worth 3 times what we payed for them already? That's amazing SiJira certainly has done a good job buying up shares for like 1.4x value only. Wonder if people will continue selling shares well under value to him. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.31 21:26:00 - [14] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 31/01/2008 21:29:38 Originally by: Auri Hella Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I thought about chasing up a 0.0 Alliance to make Jman and a corp (not Blue) part of. Why not just pay rent and not bother with giving them shares? I'm sure there are people willing to let you use a system if you just pay them (enough). Well, it's interesting. I posted a topic in CAOD (now moved to GD because I left Blue. and am in an NPC corp) and was quite surprised by the responses. Essentially I was told "Just sneak out there and learn to survive",, which surprised me because the whole reason why I want to pay is so I don't have to sneak anymore (esp when returning loot), but moreso it was quite surprising that people (even those who complain PvP gets no return) didn't want money or, well, anything. So with that the idea is kinda flat, doesnt matter anyway coz I found a new hi-sec mission area which makes things a lot easier :) Hopefully you'll see a bit more mish-income now thanks to that. Quote: So in reality all shares are worth 3 times what we payed for them already? That's amazing Very Happy SiJira certainly has done a good job buying up shares for like 1.4x value only. Wonder if people will continue selling shares well under value to him. Interestingly enough, it'd probably be a bit less since 2 bil was invested by myself, I should really have 20000 shares myself, but I figured things wouldnt work the way I wanted if that was the case. Anyways, if I had to up and leave, I'd prolly dividend out the corp to those 40000 shareholders, maybe take a small portion for myself but they'd still be more than worth it hopefully. Improve Market Competition!
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:00:00 - [15] Well, this month's been a doozy. Sorry to say that this month's profits are a mere 2.2 billion isk, meaning approximately 7.8% of a 100k initial purchase was returned. Obviously with ROI back down to it's initial launch rate, a couple things went majorly wrong. The dividend itself How's 2.2 billion profit (approx 285mil total given to shareholders) come about from all this? Cutting a long story short, T2 components are in a pretty major slide downhill at the moment. This month saw prices of Advanced materials and T2 components slide about 5% per week on average. This has spat out three weeks of profit at about 300 mil per week. This final week's profit estimate is at 700mil. I'd hold very dire concerns if that didn't hold and the plunge continued, because several component prices are edging dangerously close to being in a position where it'd be profitable to purchase and refine components into advanced materials to be relisted on the market. But anyway, that's 1.6 mil. The other 600 mil comes from Jman. How? I managed to get a lot of time for missions this month, and my new mish spot means I can run them a lot faster. It's slowed down now, but I essentially netted 200 mil in bounties, and about 400 mil in LP rewards and loot, with the LP cashing in at about 1500isk per LP and coming in at 280 mil of that at a rough estimate. Remedial Action The most concerning issue regarding this months profits is the waste calculation changes which happened a month or so ago. I made an assumption that nobody in their right mind would have researched most of the T2 Component BPOs, one or two types maybe, but definately not all. I tried and gave up after a couple because the effects were barely worth it. So in response to the nerf, I didn't research my BPOs, instead just adding a 10% waste to all my cost estimates. As a result, one of these things is happening: 1. LOTS of people are manufacturing their goods and selling below cost because they don't factor in the nerf. 2. People actually did research their BPO's, though I'd hardly believe it because it's almost the entire market. 3. Most of the T2 component market is supplied by people who start at the very bottom of the T2 chain with Moon miners. Also unlikely due to the whine levels when trinity price manipulations happened. Anyway, enough of my ranting, basically Jman is making use of his high standings with Caldari state and is setting up a research POS. Unfortunately, I forgot that he needs metallurgy V to ME research, so that'll blow over in the next 5 days, then I can research my stocks of BPOs, about 8 per day, which'll take around 15 days to get all BPO's down to 1% wastage. This is ok in my books, because writing off 600 credits is far better than writing off 6000 (in the case of reactors) thanks to that change. But from what I hear it's going to change for the better soon anyway. meh, whatever :) So that's february in a nutshell. BTW, I'm just going to update the shareholder list with a new date at the third post from here on in. Improve Market Competition!
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Shadarle on 28/02/2008 18:42:22 I would be shocked if a large amount of players didn't do research on their BPO's. They research very quickly, all things considered. An ME of 10 and PE of 5 would be finished within a week I believe if done with a full skilled character in a POS. I'm a bit surprised you would have thought this wouldn't be done. That is an added 9%+ profit on each sale. Heck, for a single day of research you'd be getting several % more alone. Anyhow, I hope things get better once you get the researching done. If you are severely lacking in ability to do the research I could research some for you, I believe I have a few open slots on an alt somewhere. Send me an Eve-mail if you're interested.
Kronooo SKORPION CORP Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:40:00 - [17] Edited by: Kronooo on 28/02/2008 19:41:03 Hmn, im in the same bis. as you and I made a 6b profit in the last 30 days you must be doing something wrong If you quit building please see my offer! =)
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:35:00 - [18] Quote: I'm a bit surprised you would have thought this wouldn't be done. That is an added 9%+ profit on each sale. Yeah, it was just a really really bad assumption on my half combined with a lack of forethought. Things would've been more like Kronooo had they been researched. Improve Market Competition!
Mona Lou Essence Research Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Mona Lou on 28/02/2008 22:07:50 Your costs are about same as POS producers costs though (researched BPOs 1% waste, POS +10% waste) and I think quite a lot of component production comes from POS'. However they can make more of them in same time.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Mona Lou and I think quite a lot of component production comes from POS' Why would you think this? Why would people be paying 10% more from a POS unless they didn't have an NPC station available to them?
Mona Lou Essence Research Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:29:00 - [21] Becouse of the speed bonus (0.75). Your per unit costs are 10% higher, but you produce 25% more units in same time period. T2 component business had very high margins for a long time. But if margins keep falling like now, I guess most of POS production will move to NPC stations.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:57:00 - [22] Quote: Your costs are about same as POS producers costs though Not strictly true in the face of me saying some competition is people who produce T2 right from the moon mining stage. Dysprosium does not cost 1 billion a month to mine. It costs as much as atmospheric gases to mine, it's just an opportunity cost is created by demand for it. So while a T2 Component manufacturer who produces T2 components right from the mining of moon minerals may sacrifice opportunity cost, they do not turn a 'loss' the same as I do by fluctuating prices. Improve Market Competition!
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:57:00 - [23] Edited by: Robacz on 29/02/2008 08:58:07 But then they make profits on moon mining, not on component production, so it is question why they waste time and resources with producting them (it is the case of "free minerals"). Costs for T2 component production are given by Jita advanced materials market. But I see what you mean - it is hard to compete with person who uses "free" moon materials in his calculations. Anyways I don't know what kind of comps are you producing, but I suggest you should make more of them instead of many units of few selected types. Then you are less vulnerable to market manipulations and short term spikes/drops. There is still great profit to be made in this business. See you on the market!
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Mona Lou Edited by: Mona Lou on 28/02/2008 23:23:27 Becouse of the speed bonus (0.75). Your per unit costs are 10% higher, but you produce 25% more units in same time period. T2 component business had very high margins for a long time. But if margins keep falling like now, I guess most of POS production will move to NPC stations. EDIT for correction: time needed to make one unit is is 25% lower, so number of units produced in same time is 33,33% higher, not only 25%. At least I think... hope my math is correct. Anyone producing this stuff in a POS is a moron, unless the margins are insane, which apparently they aren't. The cost of these BPO's is pretty tiny, it's easy enough to buy two of each or three of some if needed. There is no reason to produce from one faster, just buy two and produce twice as much... thus avoiding the 10% additional production costs a POS takes.
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Mona Lou Edited by: Mona Lou on 28/02/2008 23:23:27 Becouse of the speed bonus (0.75). Your per unit costs are 10% higher, but you produce 25% more units in same time period. T2 component business had very high margins for a long time. But if margins keep falling like now, I guess most of POS production will move to NPC stations. EDIT for correction: time needed to make one unit is is 25% lower, so number of units produced in same time is 33,33% higher, not only 25%. At least I think... hope my math is correct. Anyone producing this stuff in a POS is a moron, unless the margins are insane, which apparently they aren't. The cost of these BPO's is pretty tiny, it's easy enough to buy two of each or three of some if needed. There is no reason to produce from one faster, just buy two and produce twice as much... thus avoiding the 10% additional production costs a POS takes. Lol, I take it you never produced single T2 component. The reason why you want to produce faster is not BPO cost of course, but character/factory slots. They are cheap (per unit) and there are 36 kinds of them. BTW, one character's 14 days production sells in about 3 days in Jita.
Kronooo SKORPION CORP Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:56:00 - [26] SSShhsssss! stop telling the trade's secrets =) Don't you have any respect for our profession. Gosh really ought to form a pact one of these days
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.03.01 01:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Robacz Lol, I take it you never produced single T2 component. The reason why you want to produce faster is not BPO cost of course, but character/factory slots. They are cheap (per unit) and there are 36 kinds of them. BTW, one character's 14 days production sells in about 3 days in Jita. POS production means higher profits in same time period and with same number of used character slots (if margin is more than X%, when it drops under X, POS production is no longer profitable). The entire point was that profits had totally evaporated on un-researched BPO's... meaning profits were within the 10% range on the items in question. My statement stands. I said unless margins are very high, which they obviously are not if ME level is the difference between making a loss and making a profit. And why produce 36 diff items, they can't all be equally valuable. Why not produce the 5 most valuable, or the 10 most, or even just he #1 most valuable. If prices shift then shift production.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.03.01 01:32:00 - [28] Quote: And why produce 36 diff items, they can't all be equally valuable. Why not produce the 5 most valuable, or the 10 most, or even just he #1 most valuable. If prices shift then shift production. Precisely. Without saying what I produce, DB definately flexes week to week on what's going to be most profitable. I can't manufacture everything, but I cover everything that turns a decent profit. The ME issue is a big drama, but there's been consistent market trends I've noticed which I counted a bit more than I should've probably. These seemingly evaporated this month. Either that or they're just a little late, or my attempts to use these have prevented their occurance. I dunno. Improve Market Competition!
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.01 09:20:00 - [29] Edited by: Robacz on 01/03/2008 09:25:11 All I will say is that you are making your assumptions on incorrect data Shaderle. As for selecting few comps, I believe my employee above already spoke about it.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2008.03.01 10:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Robacz Shaderle Shadarle's name seems to be the most commonly mis-spelt name in all of Eve He must cringe every time he see's it http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043 Largest Empire Research Alliance in EVE!

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