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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:31:00 -
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Electus Matari to join the Minmatar Militia Pator, Kulheim RSS, 114.02.06
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Electus Matari, an alliance known for its allegiance to the Minmatar Republic and its anti-piracy work, is going to join the Minmatar Militia. "Our people are at war - we are here for the Republic", states Alliance Leader CJ Walker of Snow Leopard Lodge, Clan Avenar, Brutor Tribe.
However, pirates in Republic space should not breathe a sigh of relief, as the alliance leader also explains that it is not Electus Matari's intent to focus solely or even primarily on Militia work, but to keep up other normal operations beside. "I don't want to see the proud name of Electus Matari to fade into obscurity as just another militia corp", she says.
While expected to happen since alliances have been allowed to join, the decision comes only after lengthy internal discussions. In addition to the concern that Electus Matari standard operations might suffer from easily-available Militia work, some pilots in the alliance are worried that losing access to hostile regions and the changing conditions in low-security will hamper industrial operations.
This concern is not, however, universal. "I live in lowsec space, and we have been in wars more or less constantly since I joined. We are used to being paranoid", says a member from Bionesis Technologies. Another pilot from Gradient adds: "And you can get anything you need from Rens; Jita is over-rated."
Electus Matari current standings list includes "red" corporations in the Minmatar Militia. No changes are planned to standings policies. Head Diplomat Mikkel Lybecker has promised, however, that all such red standings will be reviewed and hopefully some of them removed, in the weeks following the alliance's entry into the Militia. Patience is requested from those involved, as the changing status of the alliance causes an excess of diplomatic workload.
Despite some concerns and the emphasis on maintaining normal operations, most pilots look forward to being in the Militia. "Protecting the Republic is our identity", explains one. "I like more flashy", summarizes another. No plans for specific Militia-related campaigns have been released at this point. Electus Matari is currently also involved in CONCORD-wars with pirate organizations.
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Electus Matari is an alliance of independent corporations united in the purpose of supporting and strengthening the Minmatar Republic. They are known among other things for their anti-piracy work and industrial support of loyalist corporations.
For more information see http://www.electusmatari.com/ or contact - channel "EM - public" in your Neocom - Mikkel Lybecker, alliance head diplomat - CJ Walker, alliance leader |

Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
109
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:40:00 -
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Glad to have you with us. |

Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
1
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:41:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Glad to have you with us.
And we're proud to fly alongside you, Kala. |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
453
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:52:00 -
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Welcome to the fight, captain.
Fly safe. ((Please note:-áAt times, my characters-ámay be a-holes, but-áI am most certainly not.-áWhat they say IC has no bearing on my OOC opinions or behaviors, and I apologize in advance if you are offended OOC by anything I might say or do-áIC.)) |

Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:55:00 -
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Ms Rhiannon,
In the hope to ask something constructive regarding the statement of your alliance, could you clarify the part refering to the renegociation of your KOS targets that are part of the TLF ?
In fact, two things are worth considering to my opinion, and I am pretty sure you have already discussed it internally countless times before taking your decision on the matter :
- If the KOS corporations/pilots that are part of the TLF continue to clash with your current policies, or if both parties can not reach an agreement to reset their mutual standings, are you going to change your policies or close your eyes on them by convenience ?
- If not, how are you going to deal with intra militia conflicts involving EM and other TLF entities (which means that you will have either to issue war declarations to avoid faction standing losses or suffer these standing losses) ?
Of course, you are probably aware of what kind of people you can find in the militias (thus, your KOS list). What are your stances on that matter ? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
726
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:24:00 -
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See you in space. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
449
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Posted - 2012.02.07 21:25:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Ms Rhiannon,
In the hope to ask something constructive regarding the statement of your alliance, could you clarify the part refering to the renegociation of your KOS targets that are part of the TLF ?
In fact, two things are worth considering to my opinion, and I am pretty sure you have already discussed it internally countless times before taking your decision on the matter :
- If the KOS corporations/pilots that are part of the TLF continue to clash with your current policies, or if both parties can not reach an agreement to reset their mutual standings, are you going to change your policies or close your eyes on them by convenience ?
- If not, how are you going to deal with intra militia conflicts involving EM and other TLF entities (which means that you will have either to issue war declarations to avoid faction standing losses or suffer these standing losses) ?
Of course, you are probably aware of what kind of people you can find in the militias (thus, your KOS list). What are your stances on that matter ?
I would be interested in knowing the answer to this as well. There are numerous entities within the TLF which, while not straight-up pirate entities, operate under NBSI rules of engagement. We engage all targets of opportunity that are not explicitly friendly, as neutrals are very often in fact unfriendly, or working for the enemy or other entity.
I hope that -EM-'s membership in the militia will not create a schism between those who prefer NBSI policies and those who frown upon them. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |

Gottii
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
45
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Posted - 2012.02.07 21:35:00 -
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It is good to be with the warriors of the TLF once more.
For the Tribes. |

Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
162
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Posted - 2012.02.07 22:20:00 -
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Good luck to you Electus Matari, may your presence bolster the TLF's efforts. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |

Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
66
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:03:00 -
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Sounds like the right move for EM. |

Dracodarkhammer
DRACO Corporation The Obsidian Front
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:07:00 -
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Quote: I hope that -EM-'s membership in the militia will not create a schism between those who prefer NBSI policies and those who frown upon them.
From a personal perspective, I would anticipate that this is an issue you will have to become used to. A presently well published example is The Obsidian Front (which is my personal perspective), that is also active against Amarrian groups, and despite half of the FRONT being focused on the more industrial aspects and not "pirating" (which is EM's underlying "reason" to "redlist" other groups) EM is actually engaging us. They basically do not care, as long as they have plenty of targets they can "legally" bloody murder for their own convenience, trying to cripple groups operating under NBSI for the Republic.
Of course, EM is always welcome to contact me personally to discuss my very own opinion - I would appreciate to be taught wrong. |

Crazy Vania
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:34:00 -
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Quote:A presently well published example is The Obsidian Front (which is my personal perspective), that is also active against Amarrian groups, and despite half of the FRONT being focused on the more industrial aspects and not "pirating" (which is EM's underlying "reason" to "redlist" other groups) EM is actually engaging us. They basically do not care, as long as they have plenty of targets they can "legally" bloody murder for their own convenience, trying to cripple groups operating under NBSI for the Republic.
Another well published fact is that The Obsidian Front is a bunch of chronic amnesiacs who keep forgetting that they actively supported a pirate corp against Electus Matari by prodiving neutral eyes and reps during a high sec war, who have provided multiple apologies and crappy diplomatic lies while it was happening, and kept doing it until EM wardecced their sorry ass.
Advice for any high sec industrial alliance: don't participate in any conflict if you're not prepared to make your industrials feel the potential consequences in high sec. EM was prepared, you weren't, end of story. Stop whining about it on IGS already.
One thing I always disliked when I was with EM is their extreme patience when dealing with potential reds or blue. They would take a lot of punishment while still trying to find a "good for the republic" solution.
One thing I always liked tho, was their very long memory. |

Sanche Tehkeli
Bionesis Technologies Electus Matari
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:36:00 -
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Dracodarkhammer wrote:Quote: I hope that -EM-'s membership in the militia will not create a schism between those who prefer NBSI policies and those who frown upon them.
From a personal perspective, I would anticipate that this is an issue you will have to become used to. A presently well published example is The Obsidian Front (which is my personal perspective), that is also active against Amarrian groups, and despite half of the FRONT being focused on the more industrial aspects and not "pirating" (which is EM's underlying "reason" to "redlist" other groups) EM is actually engaging us. They basically do not care, as long as they have plenty of targets they can "legally" bloody murder for their own convenience, trying to cripple groups operating under NBSI for the Republic. Of course, EM is always welcome to contact me personally to discuss my very own opinion - I would appreciate to be taught wrong.
Sir, in my humble opinion you should let your representative talk about such matters, as your words may clash with his words.
On the original topic, I'm glad to be part of the Militia again. I'm glad we are now able to chase the non-outlaw amarr supporter without trespassing CONCORD rules. Duty and stance are in harmony. |

Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
57
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:17:00 -
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Sanche Tehkeli wrote:Sir, in my humble opinion you should let your representative talk about such matters, as your words may clash with his words. On the original topic, I'm glad to be part of the Militia again. I'm glad we are now able to chase the non-outlaw amarr supporter without trespassing CONCORD rules. Duty and stance are in harmony.
I agree.
Regarding claims of neutral eyes, ill leave that with a discussion with EM, we did have HQ i set same system, and did have Republic Fleet in Pator send several pilot on Amarr killing missions, same as Republic Palament in lustrevik.
I think whats said is said, and no diplomacy will carry one in here.
Several Minmatar Militia corporations and alliances have contactes us today, and asked for support and blue standings, in which we have accepted.
What the future brings between Electus Matari and The Obsidian Front, time will tell. Regardless what we will support with what resources we have, to support a turn back for the minmatar repulic, and get Wolfbrigade out of Kamala, Lamaa, Kourm and Auga.
I hope Electis Matari, will consider how they will handle their red list while supporting, i can only imagine this could become a challange. Im glad to see EM activily support the TLF, not only with ships and mods, but force too. Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Killing With Kindness The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:19:00 -
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I am very happy to see EM join the militia. Our differences aside I wish you the best in your future endeavours against the amarr. |

Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
57
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:22:00 -
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Ok im concerned here, and would like to know abov question.
Fearless. Mercs, helpped BSI attacking a POCO yesterday, which we were helping defending for some blue friends, on the Matari party.
Today i see Fearless being blue to EM and united attacking our POCOs.
We have the pictured and killmails to support both cases, so are EM going to attack TLF who are on their red list?
Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
57
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Posted - 2012.02.08 06:04:00 -
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Good to have you with us. \o/ |

Rorin Cutter
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
21
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:39:00 -
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So there is nothing changed and you're still godless heathens? |

Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
567
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:12:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I would be interested in knowing the answer to this as well. There are numerous entities within the TLF which, while not straight-up pirate entities, operate under NBSI rules of engagement. We engage all targets of opportunity that are not explicitly friendly, as neutrals are very often in fact unfriendly, or working for the enemy or other entity. Electus Matari has for a while now set a number of NBSI entities in the TLF blue if they focus their work primarily on the Amarr and their "neutral" allies as opposed to primarily shooting random neutrals, because we value their work for the Republic more than the harm they do with their piracy. Things rarely are black and white, so we have decided such on a case-by-case basis.
I am aware of three active corporations in the Minmatar Militia we have red. One of them is (was?) mostly active in Evati camping gates and rarely participated in fights against the Amarr. The second we tried to contact repeatedly to negotiate blue standings after they engaged us, but never received a response. The third flat out refused mutual blue standings, stating they'd like to keep shooting us when it suits them. For the latter two groups, it most certainly was not lack of interest from our side to find a solution.
This policy might change now that we actually join the militia. Please do understand that this is new for us as well, and policies and practices that have formed and are in use for many years will take a while to be adapted and revised. They will be, though. |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:19:00 -
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As Commander Sadik explains, we have always been ready to negotiate with NBSI entities. Our standings policies do not require an organization to follow a NRDS policy; what it requires is that the entity commits no crimes in Republic space. Even if an organization technically allows shooting neutrals but in practice all they shoot is Amarr Militia, we will be willing to consider blue standings. We also as a policy do not consider piracy out of Republic areas our concern, even though the vast majority of our membership finds it objectionable everywhere.
These principles are unlikely to change now that we are in the Militia. What might change is that we will put (even) more energy into trying to negotiate mutually acceptable agreements with friendly Militia corporations. However, pirates and other criminals will not be safe from us by simply joining up on paper. Declaring CONCORD-wars to avoid standings losses is a strategic/tactical decision that will be made case-by-case by military commanders.
In other words, to quote the gentleman from CVA, nothing has changed much and we are still godless heathens.
I hope this answers the concerns. There is a separate thread for the Obsidian Front business, so I will not comment it here, beyond stating that any public arguing about it is likely to do more harm than good for any future negotiations.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari |

Rorin Cutter
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
21
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:41:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:As Commander Sadik explains, we have always been ready to negotiate with NBSI entities. Our standings policies do not require an organization to follow a NRDS policy; what it requires is that the entity commits no crimes in Republic space. Even if an organization technically allows shooting neutrals but in practice all they shoot is Amarr Militia, we will be willing to consider blue standings. We also as a policy do not consider piracy out of Republic areas our concern, even though the vast majority of our membership finds it objectionable everywhere.
These principles are unlikely to change now that we are in the Militia. What might change is that we will put (even) more energy into trying to negotiate mutually acceptable agreements with friendly Militia corporations. However, pirates and other criminals will not be safe from us by simply joining up on paper. Declaring CONCORD-wars to avoid standings losses is a strategic/tactical decision that will be made case-by-case by military commanders.
In other words, to quote the gentleman from CVA, nothing has changed much and we are still godless heathens.
I hope this answers the concerns. There is a separate thread for the Obsidian Front business, so I will not comment it here, beyond stating that any public arguing about it is likely to do more harm than good for any future negotiations.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari
It is always refreshing to meet someone who talks plainly. If you are ready to convert someday, come talk to me. God really is watching!
Amarr Victor!
-Rorin Cutter
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1235
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:51:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I hope this answers the concerns. There is a separate thread for the Obsidian Front business, so I will not comment it here, beyond stating that any public arguing about it is likely to do more harm than good for any future negotiations. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari
On a connected and rather urgent matter. You have mail.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

ValentinaDLM
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
480
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:43:00 -
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I hope this leads to war between the NBSI elements of the militia and the NRDS ones, if the NRDS win, then the milita is cleaned up, if the NBSI wins then organizations like EM get hurt, and due to their stance in the Nation this is a good thing. The way I see it everyone wins. |

Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
105
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:14:00 -
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/poasting in a thread that is now about acronyms. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
454
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:49:00 -
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Kazzzi wrote:/poasting in a thread that is now about acronyms.
TBQH STFU.
On topic, I am glad to hear that EM does not treat anti-Amarr NBSI entities disfavorably. I look forward to flying alongside you ladies and gentlemen. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |

Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:19:00 -
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Thank you for the answer, which was expected and not really surprising.
If there is one thing that the Militia Power Act managed to do, is to allow real politik to prevail on ethics. |

Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals Late Night Alliance
138
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:53:00 -
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So will u guys stop killing minmatar militia pilots now? http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |

Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
35
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:08:00 -
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O great. sasawongs fanatic bodyguard's numbers just increased. |

Daniel L'Siata
Tri-gun
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:57:00 -
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Kazzzi wrote:/poasting in a thread that is now about acronyms.
I like acronyms.
Hands up if you didn't see this coming?
Do try to be careful. |

Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:09:00 -
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Good luck EM and fly safely! |

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
32
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:25:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:So will u guys stop killing minmatar militia pilots now?
May I respectfully suggest you read the answer already given on the topic? |

Trendafil
Wolfsbrigade
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:36:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:[quote=Sanche Tehkeli]
What the future brings between Electus Matari and The Obsidian Front, time will tell. Regardless what we will support with what resources we have, to support a turn back for the minmatar repulic, and get Wolfbrigade out of Kamala, Lamaa, Kourm and Auga.
Let me be the first to welcome you to our killboard... |

Steve Celeste
Wolfsbrigade
32
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:41:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:"I like more flashy", summarizes another. When he was a boy
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Marus Sulla
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
6
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:50:00 -
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Though we have not always seen eye-to-eye in the past I wish the pilots of EM well.
May their god speed the crusaders ships into range of your autocannons.
Regards,
Marus MM Recruitment is open.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64701&find=unread |

Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:47:00 -
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Interesting.... but not unexpected.
Fly hard my old friends. |

Darius Shakor
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
16
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:48:00 -
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Aim true my old friends.
Watch your flanks, though. There are other threats out there since the war started. Ears to the ground... |

Gabriel Darkefyre
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 02:28:00 -
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An Interesting, though not unexpected, development. Though I am not authorised to speak on behalf of my Corporation or Alliance, I personally wish you good hunting in this move. |

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
203
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Posted - 2012.02.13 03:04:00 -
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I am glad Electus Matari is part of the Tribal Liberation Force now! I look forward to flying with you folks. |

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
87
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:53:00 -
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Congratulations. .domination malakim .stillwater |

Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
122
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:37:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Ms Rhiannon,
In the hope to ask something constructive regarding the statement of your alliance, could you clarify the part refering to the renegociation of your KOS targets that are part of the TLF ?
In fact, two things are worth considering to my opinion, and I am pretty sure you have already discussed it internally countless times before taking your decision on the matter :
- If the KOS corporations/pilots that are part of the TLF continue to clash with your current policies, or if both parties can not reach an agreement to reset their mutual standings, are you going to change your policies or close your eyes on them by convenience ?
- If not, how are you going to deal with intra militia conflicts involving EM and other TLF entities (which means that you will have either to issue war declarations to avoid faction standing losses or suffer these standing losses) ?
Of course, you are probably aware of what kind of people you can find in the militias (thus, your KOS list). What are your stances on that matter ?
Welcome to why CVA will likely never, ever, join the Amarr 24th Crusade.
The diplomatic angle alone, standings wrangling and our NRDS vs. Reds/NBSI/Pirates/Mercs in the Militia makes it all but an impossabillity.
Of course, leadership also rightfully points out CVA's Mandate is Providence, not the Proxy War in Amarrian Low-Sec, where we're as likely to be shot at by Amarr Militia as we are Matari.
Best of luck (administratively, of course) EM, will be interesting to hear how it works out for you. |
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