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Kader	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:10:00 - [1] I went to 0 sec many times with my little tech 1 frig. Because I KNOW I will get insta popped if I get locked on. There is no reason whatsoever to go in 0.0 sec with so many people roaming around just to pod the first trarget they can get. People in 0.0 don't kill for isk, they pod because your there, simply. It's like an Tribe that start killing all the bulls around without letting them reproduce....after a while there is a lot less bull to kill. There is no role play, no valid reason to pod. Rats in low sec pod just to pod. And thats what make people more and more afraid to leave empire. Because even though you are not a target worth killing, you will get killed. I'm not a carebear, I love pvp and I don't want CCP to change anything reguarding the pvp. I'm jusat wondering if getting the maximum amount of killmail really does matter in the end ? The beauty of EvE is to be able to Kill anyone you want anytime you want in ).0, although I usually need a good reason (reward) to destroy a ship, its seems that 99% of the current pirate in low sec doesn't. In the end it's not because you CAN kill that you SHOULD kill.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:14:00 - [2] You were in their space, that's reason enough to kill you. Proof that it was in fact their space, is you in your pod.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:17:00 - [3] Have you considered that they didn't want you in their space? They're trying to discourage people coming into it. That's a plenty good reason to pod. Not that you need a reason.
SumDum AirHawk Alliance Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:18:00 - [4] There are reasons to pop anyone and anything in 0.0, especially at choke points. Alt-spy and isk farmer reduction is a big one. You want into 0.0? Get into a corp, form a gang and push your way in.
Shaarek	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:25:00 - [5] Well then...fair enough..so why people complain ?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:27:00 - [6] Posting in a truth thread. EVE could be far more interesting if it wasn't for the players. - DesuSigs
AlleyKat Gallente White-Noise	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Kader In the end it's not because you CAN kill that you SHOULD kill. If you are not blue to someone, they should engage you.
Desiderious Gallente Black Star Corp	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:30:00 - [8] Originally by: Kader There is no role play, no valid reason to pod. 1) Could be an enemy spy or scout. 2) Whats "your space" mean if you cant do what you want in it? 3) Restrict others form using your areas resources. 4) Loot 5) Practice What where you going to do in 0.0 anyways?... ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^ Your sig is too large. Please resize it so that it fits within 400x120. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Strak Yogorn Amarr Mind Warpers	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:30:00 - [9] seems to me mostly lowsec pewpew'ers whine about to few targets, when in fact, they are some of the problem that ppl wont go there anymore.
Kader	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:33:00 - [10] I just find that shooting on sight anyone who trespass your "house" is very texan.... I guess we were all brought up differently
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:35:00 - [11] Its a video game, nothing about it matters. You can fly around in 0.0 in more then a frigate if you want to, but you need to know what you are doing. Yes, if you want to be as close to 100% certain you won't get caught and killed as you can, stick to a frigate. And that's why people stay in Empire, because they want to be as close to 100% safe as they can be. If that's how you want to play the game, fine. In the end it is a MULTIPLAYER game. The best way to travel around 0.0 is with friends. ----------------------------------------------------
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Strak Yogorn seems to me mostly lowsec pewpew'ers whine about to few targets, when in fact, they are some of the problem that ppl wont go there anymore. Note the "lowsec" bit. Nullsec, on the other hand, is usually pretty good for targets... ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Kader	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Strak Yogorn seems to me mostly lowsec pewpew'ers whine about to few targets, when in fact, they are some of the problem that ppl wont go there anymore. I hear so many whining from 0.0 rats or corp...but when I ask why people (that has no VALUE dead) are getting KoS'ed, it seems that theyre just "protecting" their home... Well then, Don't complain I say.
Kader	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Its a video game, nothing about it matters. You can fly around in 0.0 in more then a frigate if you want to, but you need to know what you are doing. Yes, if you want to be as close to 100% certain you won't get caught and killed as you can, stick to a frigate. And that's why people stay in Empire, because they want to be as close to 100% safe as they can be. If that's how you want to play the game, fine. In the end it is a MULTIPLAYER game. The best way to travel around 0.0 is with friends. I only fly in 0 what I can afford to lose, I cant afford to lose a cruiser :)
Strak Yogorn Amarr Mind Warpers	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Cadiz Originally by: Strak Yogorn seems to me mostly lowsec pewpew'ers whine about to few targets, when in fact, they are some of the problem that ppl wont go there anymore. Note the "lowsec" bit. Nullsec, on the other hand, is usually pretty good for targets... i know, was to say that i mostly find lowsec dwellers whining, not 00 dwellers.
Igetshotalot THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:46:00 - [16] you are an iidiot:)
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:50:00 - [17] I never go to 0.0 without my Trunk Monkey! Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:52:00 - [18] I don't venture into this forum often, but I thought I'd poke my head in and point out that this is one of the cutest threads I've seen in quite awhile.
SumDum AirHawk Alliance Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.29 03:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I never go to 0.0 without my Trunk Monkey! lol those are great!
Igetshotalot THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.29 04:40:00 - [20] Edited by: Igetshotalot on 29/12/2007 04:40:47
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Strak Yogorn seems to me mostly lowsec pewpew'ers whine about to few targets, when in fact, they are some of the problem that ppl wont go there anymore. That's basically what I was gonna say. Big part of the reason people don't go is it's almost certain to get you blow'd up due to camps at the choke points. CCP wants people to use 0.0. Players constantly tell other players to go there (see this thread even). Yet it's almost certain death. People will listen to their own experience before they'll listen to some forum jackass telling them to move to 0.0. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Jennai The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:09:00 - [22] I moved to 0.0 so I could shoot people. if you have a problem with being shot, you shouldn't be in 0.0 (especially by yourself in a frigate)
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:14:00 - [23] Edited by: Richard Phallus on 29/12/2007 05:14:22 Originally by: Xaen Big part of the reason people don't go is it's almost certain to get you blow'd up due to camps at the choke points. CCP wants people to use 0.0. Players constantly tell other players to go there (see this thread even). Yet it's almost certain death. People will listen to their own experience before they'll listen to some forum jackass telling them to move to 0.0. When someone says "move to 0.0" they don't mean pack up your stuff in a hauler and seat yourself out there. They mean find a few hundred of your closest friends form a corp/alliance and go take some nullsec systems. If you're sick of getting popped at the choke points take them away from the people that are presently doing the popping. Of course by that I mean you and those few hundred of your friends do take it, and then hold it for when they try and take it back.
Dirk Magnum FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:20:00 - [24] lolling at the very notion of this thread
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:21:00 - [25] huh? Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:29:00 - [26] Edited by: cal nereus on 29/12/2007 05:34:21 Edit: You know, on second thought, the OP has a good point. We are like a bunch of predators running out of prey, but instead of conserving our prey, we slaughter the last remaining ones... I guess because the prey never runs out. Under the current way of doing things prey will usually be slim, but there will always be someone wandering into someone else's chunk of the 0.0 pie. --- Join BH-DL Skills
tinycat	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:40:00 - [27] 0.0 is fine. Remove kill boards and low sec will be fine as well.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:46:00 - [28] Cal, just find a bottleneck system that you have to go through to get to a trade hub... targets come by all the time Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.29 05:57:00 - [29] If you're going to move to 0.0 on your own (it's possible) you better know all the tricks of how to get around safely and be able to take occasional losses. Otherwise join a corp/alliance that already lives there. 0.0 is a war zone and is meant to be. There are no sec status hits in 0.0. So, a lot of people that move out there do it because they like shooting stuff. Hostiles and neutrals are targets. That's just the way it is.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.12.29 07:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Igetshotalot you are an iidiot:) Quoting Roadkill looking smart. To the op: They kill because they can, because its fun, if I kill someone who is genuinely a new player in their first ever cruiser i might feel bad and give them advice but other than that they should know better, its all fair in 0.0. There are some roleplaying groups out there, like CVA and Jericho Fraction (or star.. whatever) who will only shoot reds, maybe try joining them and dont be part of the problem? The main reasons to shoot everything and anything are: A) Boredom, there is no penalty for shooting and you dont know when the next target is going to show up B) Killmails, delicious killmails.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.29 07:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Have you considered that they didn't want you in their space? They're trying to discourage people coming into it. That's a plenty good reason to pod. Not that you need a reason. Yes, but then they shouldn't cry that there is no people in 0.0/low sec as most of them do.
Science Lord	Posted - 2007.12.29 07:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Kader I just find that shooting on sight anyone who trespass your "house" is very texan.... I guess we were all brought up differently ^^ This
Mrsticks Minmatar RNCGM Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.29 07:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Kader I just find that shooting on sight anyone who trespass your "house" is very texan.... I guess we were all brought up differently ^^ This Me Stupid alt.. Long Live TEXAS! Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.29 08:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Venkul Mul Yes, but then they shouldn't cry that there is no people in 0.0 No one does. Certainly not the people who live there, at least. See, in 0.0, unlike low-sec, most people aren't there for simple piracy. If they are there for the resources, they obviously don't want more people. If they are there for the whole alliance empire-building sovereignity game, they want more people but only if you're moving there to join them. Otherwise, why would they care? And if they are there to shoot stuff, there is no shortage of war in 0.0, and certainly lone hapless empire dwellers in frigates don't contribute much of anything to their fun anyway.
Ashmorg	Posted - 2007.12.29 09:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Venkul Mul Yes, but then they shouldn't cry that there is no people in 0.0 No one does. Certainly not the people who live there, at least. See, in 0.0, unlike low-sec, most people aren't there for simple piracy. If they are there for the resources, they obviously don't want more people. If they are there for the whole alliance empire-building sovereignity game, they want more people but only if you're moving there to join them. Otherwise, why would they care? And if they are there to shoot stuff, there is no shortage of war in 0.0, and certainly lone hapless empire dwellers in frigates don't contribute much of anything to their fun anyway. What he said. Pirates complain that there is no one in Lowsec. No one is complaining that there are no targets in 0.0. Coalition is complaining that BoB has retreated too fast and they have to shoot too many undefended POSes, and most FCs have to deal with bloodthirsty killers whining about a lack of targets during any alliance or sub-group's prime-time, but there are no lack of targets in 0.0. 0.0 is too crowded as it is (I could use 5 or so Dysprosium moons, and a few -0.9 systems to myself). We don't need you, especially by your lonesome. Come back when you've learned the game /obvious alt
Shaarek	Posted - 2007.12.29 09:36:00 - [36] Edited by: Shaarek on 29/12/2007 09:36:17 Anyways, That was my though on it. I read so many post about how people are getting more and more afraid for going in 0.0 And how EvE becomes a game full of "carebears" (OH NOOEEZZZZ)... But if you r NOT complaining, then this post isn't for you. ALT AGAIN (Kader)
Lunadi Minmatar Solar Trade	Posted - 2007.12.29 10:01:00 - [37] Originally by: umop 3pisdn The main reasons to shoot everything and anything are: A) Boredom, there is no penalty for shooting and you dont know when the next target is going to show up B) Killmails, delicious killmails. lol. I would agree that these are the main reasons, but hardly find it interesting ;-). It's much more fun when there something that stands behind shooting other than that.
Lady Beauvoir Slutty Witches	Posted - 2007.12.29 11:19:00 - [38] Edited by: Lady Beauvoir on 29/12/2007 11:20:49 Originally by: Kader I just find that shooting on sight anyone who trespass your "house" is very texan.... I guess we were all brought up differently Well, I hate RL analogies, but if someone came to your "house" armed to teeth, you might be more inclined to shoot them on sight instead of opening the door. Even a frigate is enough to take out miners and haulers, it can scout the area and cyno in a capital fleet. But enough of that. EVE is also about empire building: that means claiming a space for you and your friends to do whatever you please. Then you build infrastructure and stations. If you just let anybody in to reap the fruits of your labor, there's very little point in doing all that work as anyone can just step in and take what he wants. Thus, people tend to discourage others from coming to their space by shooting the repeatedly in the face until they decide to stay away. Everyone doesn't understand or heed requests/warnings to leave the space, but they generally don't have a choice in the matter if you shoot them to bits. There are and have been attempts to do something different as well; usually such organizations have a political agenda to operate in a different mannner. For example, ISS and Tge Big Blue used to operate and CVA operates on policy that anyone is welcome to their space, given that they do not shoot the inhabitants and behave themselves. In general, they perceive that the increased trade and taxes are more beneficial than a closed economy with only the alliance controlling the space uses it. There are drawbacks as well, but it's a tradeoff of sorts. "Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaet point." -Blaise Pascal, PensTes, 4, 277
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.29 11:34:00 - [39] In Providence CVA + Silph + Paxton + Severance and others, practice NRDS ( Not Red Dont Shoot ) policy so neutrals are not shot there. Of course if you are caught pirating that will change really fast.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.29 19:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Richard Phallus Originally by: Xaen Big part of the reason people don't go is it's almost certain to get you blow'd up due to camps at the choke points. CCP wants people to use 0.0. Players constantly tell other players to go there (see this thread even). Yet it's almost certain death. People will listen to their own experience before they'll listen to some forum jackass telling them to move to 0.0. When someone says "move to 0.0" they don't mean pack up your stuff in a hauler and seat yourself out there. They mean find a few hundred of your closest friends form a corp/alliance and go take some nullsec systems. If you're sick of getting popped at the choke points take them away from the people that are presently doing the popping. Of course by that I mean you and those few hundred of your friends do take it, and then hold it for when they try and take it back. I mostly play solo. I can and do bust through gate camps, but I rarely have enough firepower to break the camps entirely or supplant anyone's camp. But if you abandon your bubbles, expect to lose them. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
BurningSensation	Posted - 2007.12.30 03:17:00 - [41] you sir ARE a carebear...you are not a pvper. The very fact that you posted this ludicrous topic illustrates that point. People shoot because they can....it's as simple as that. Don't over think this one..... You go to 0.0 becuse it's fun. Even if you don't like killing...the lack of security makes it so much more fun when you don't die... Stay in high-sec and quit crying the fact that you are pretending to not be a carebear irritates me...
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.30 04:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Kader I just find that shooting on sight anyone who trespass your "house" is very texan.... I guess we were all brought up differently Hey, watch what you say about Texans. ___________________ Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.12.30 04:32:00 - [43] It's pretty easy to avoid getting popped if you are smart and fly an interceptor or something that can warp cloaked.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.30 15:43:00 - [44] people dont go to 0.0 because veldspar is found in 1.0 people do go to 0.0 because fun pvp can not guess which group is smaller across the average player population? Trashed sig, Shark was here
Thunderguts Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:45:00 - [45] OP, come fly your frigate in my alliance's space any time. Send me an eve-mail before you do, tell me what gate you'll be jumping in from, and what time. Be sure to bring some expensive blueprints, those are like passports in 0.0, you'll be welcome anywhere.
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:54:00 - [46] Crap, all this time I needed a reason to murder witless newbies in the face and watch them write tear-filled eulogies to EVE? _______________________________ Complex Fullerene Shards; why God? :\|
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.31 19:03:00 - [47] Originally by: DeadDuck In Providence CVA + Silph + Paxton + Severance and others, practice NRDS ( Not Red Dont Shoot ) policy so neutrals are not shot there. Of course if you are caught pirating that will change really fast. Does NRDS apply to NPC corps as well? Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.

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