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Akira Nei	Posted - 2007.12.30 23:34:00 - [1] Just curious as to the huge amount of b*tching that goes on about the nerfs and Jita... None of those threads have any CCP replys in them... Is that for any particular reason or just because they don't care?
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.30 23:37:00 - [2] Maybe they're not answering because people are talking **e? EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Abrazzar	Posted - 2007.12.30 23:37:00 - [3] Nope, CCP does not care about the blitching. They do however care about reasonable decently presented constructive criticism. Right now, though, you will not see much of any def response as they are with their friends and families preparing for new year's eve.
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.30 23:51:00 - [4] even if they post in every single thread you think the *****ing would stop? guide to game time codes
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:06:00 - [5] If I were a dev I'd tell you all to ** off Originally by:** Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Snipe Ranger	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny If I were a dev I'd tell you all to **** off Don't have to be a dev to do that
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:11:00 - [7] Yeah, but if I were a dev that would get some response Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:17:00 - [8] look, they know jita is laggy, they put it on a dedicated server yet that just causes more and more people to go there. back in the day when i was in jita there were only 600 or so in local, now it can be over 1000, what do people expect. do yourself and others a favour and spread the trading across systems within a region instead of massing a gigantic blob in 1 solar system overloading the node creating a black hole and then blaming ccp. and yes eve can be greatly optimized compared to now, but do yourself the frigging favour till that happens and stop blobbing jita. imagine the amount of data being transferred everytime you frigging click something. so yeah, ccp knows it's laggy. they are also some of them on holidays, since it's allmost new year. obviously there's an immediate problem right now and those who have lost stuff will obviously be reimbursed.
Nyx Avatar	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:19:00 - [9] I'll say it again here: All they need to do is allow Concord to transport Items from main hubs like Jita to anywhere in Empire for a fee. fee based on # of jumps from hub system.
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:20:00 - [10] It's called Interbus, they are working on it... Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Nyx Avatar I'll say it again here: All they need to do is allow Concord to transport Items from main hubs like Jita to anywhere in Empire for a fee. fee based on # of jumps from hub system. no, ppl just need to spread their trading to different regions, for gods sake we have like several thousand solar systems, just spread them a bit across the region it'll fix the lag, what would you prefer? black hole lagfest or jumping an extra jump to get an item?
Tom Mcgrinski	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:21:00 - [12] Must be sunday....all is fine all week and the the jita threads popup once people get bored of waiting for space to load when jumping into jita Its not CCPs fault for making it a primary trade hub, its the people that go there
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:22:00 - [13] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 00:21:57 Originally by: Tom Mcgrinski Must be sunday....all is fine all week and the the jita threads popup once people get bored of waiting for space to load when jumping into jita Its not CCPs fault for making it a primary trade hub, its the people that go there exactly, and eventhough eve can be optimized, do yourself the favour and change the above till that happens.
Snipe Ranger	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:24:00 - [14] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Nyx Avatar I'll say it again here: All they need to do is allow Concord to transport Items from main hubs like Jita to anywhere in Empire for a fee. fee based on # of jumps from hub system. no, ppl just need to spread their trading to different regions, for gods sake we have like several thousand solar systems, just spread them a bit across the region it'll fix the lag, what would you prefer? black hole lagfest or jumping an extra jump to get an item? Yea because it would be so much easier to have all the industrialist that have been set up in Jita for YEARS with TONS and TONS of m3 worth of items move across all of space. Or just setting up a transfer system that would also REMOVE ISK from the game (which is another MAJOR problem) that would in 1 day solve most of the Jita lagg problems.
Selina McDonnell	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:26:00 - [15] They did do it with Yulai once, but the player base must be 6-8 times bigger now than it was then.....and all it would create eventually is another hub elsewhere and back in the same situation
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:27:00 - [16] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 00:27:04 Originally by: Snipe Ranger Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Nyx Avatar I'll say it again here: All they need to do is allow Concord to transport Items from main hubs like Jita to anywhere in Empire for a fee. fee based on # of jumps from hub system. no, ppl just need to spread their trading to different regions, for gods sake we have like several thousand solar systems, just spread them a bit across the region it'll fix the lag, what would you prefer? black hole lagfest or jumping an extra jump to get an item? Yea because it would be so much easier to have all the industrialist that have been set up in Jita for YEARS with TONS and TONS of m3 worth of items move across all of space. Or just setting up a transfer system that would also REMOVE ISK from the game (which is another MAJOR problem) that would in 1 day solve most of the Jita lagg problems. oh please, your making it sound like i'm asking all industralists that are in jita to travel like 32 jumps each time they want to make sell/buy orders.... all i'm saying is start gradually spreading your **** out with a spread of 5 jumps from jita.. that's all!.. cause this is getting ridiculous and there are limits to how much you can actually blame ccp for it.
Zephyr Rengate Racketeers	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:28:00 - [17] yes they do.
Snipe Ranger	Posted - 2007.12.31 00:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Snipe Ranger on 31/12/2007 00:33:22 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 00:27:04 Originally by: Snipe Ranger Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Nyx Avatar I'll say it again here: All they need to do is allow Concord to transport Items from main hubs like Jita to anywhere in Empire for a fee. fee based on # of jumps from hub system. no, ppl just need to spread their trading to different regions, for gods sake we have like several thousand solar systems, just spread them a bit across the region it'll fix the lag, what would you prefer? black hole lagfest or jumping an extra jump to get an item? Yea because it would be so much easier to have all the industrialist that have been set up in Jita for YEARS with TONS and TONS of m3 worth of items move across all of space. Or just setting up a transfer system that would also REMOVE ISK from the game (which is another MAJOR problem) that would in 1 day solve most of the Jita lagg problems. oh please, your making it sound like i'm asking all industralists that are in jita to travel like 32 jumps each time they want to make sell/buy orders.... all i'm saying is start gradually spreading your **** out with a spread of 5 jumps from jita.. that's all!.. cause this is getting ridiculous and there are limits to how much you can actually blame ccp for it. Sorry stupid statement. Bottom line is everyone wants their items to sell, and sell fast, and EVERYONE knows the only place that happens is Jita. So you can sit in a fantasy world and think "yea if only 1 or 2 traders move then a few will follow.. so on and so forth". If it was THAT simple it would have been done a LONG time ago and we wouldn't have the mess Jita is now. Implement a system to transfer goods from Jita to elsewhere in space for a fee (that also helps REMOVE ISK FROM THE GAME) and now we are talking solutions. Even if the transfer WASN'T instant people would pay a good bundle to avoid having to go to Jita.
Paeniteo	Posted - 2007.12.31 01:07:00 - [19] If I remember correctly, CCP considers the EVE Forums to be a vocal minority. I think they prefer that their statistics team collects data which directly reflects balance in game. So I guess they do listen to us subscribers in a way, but by observing our actions rather than our words. I personally don't think these forums really have much influence on developer team decisions at all.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.12.31 01:30:00 - [20] Player *** about Jita. Devs boost Jita. More players now show up maxing out the boost and it lags again. Players * about Jita. Devs boost Jita. More players show up maxing out the boost and it lags again. Rinse & Repeat. Personally I don't think they can boost Jita anymore so que the perma-***ing it seems.
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:08:00 - [21] huh??? ... Did you say something? _________ "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told... I'm a daughter of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:12:00 - [22] For the love of god I hope not.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:13:00 - [23] They don't listen to jack. They have never really implemented any of the plethora of excellent and often very simple suggestions people make on the forums. I've been here over a year, seen dozens of constructive threads, some of them even with dev posts saying "yeah that's a good idea" and I can't remember any of them actually being implemented. Ironically Jita is one thing I think they did all they can do about. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:29:00 - [24] They do and then we wish they hadn't, the drone region names come to mind, despite me shoveling dirt to keep it buried. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Akira Nei Just curious as to the huge amount of btching that goes on about the nerfs and Jita... None of those threads have any CCP replys in them... Is that for any particular reason or just because they don't care? CCP DO care. However.. 1. They have stated more then once that they read the forums quite often. However, do to the time consumation it takes to write a lengthy replay, and follow-ups, they prefer to listen and read, and let the debate continue. Sometimes they comment. Sometimes they dont. But they are always listening. and reading. 2. Some devs are more forum warriors then others. But even they takes time off forums now and then. And christmas time, is a good time to spend with their families and friends, rather then writing posts to other forum warriors. That do not indicate they are not interested anymore. They are simply taking a break. or burned out. or.. whatever. 3.The discussions lately have been horribly. Too many whines. Too little arguments. Not worth commenting. 4. The forums are for the players to interact, and its a good source for the devs to keep up-to-date with the more avid player base. But the devs have other things to do then honing their forums post count. Making the game for example is just one of them. I am sure the devs do care. As they always do. The question is: Do the players care about the game as a whole, or do they simply just care about their epeen ego and their own toys? Originally by:* Abrazzar OP needs to delete his boot.ini.
Skaz Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:41:00 - [26] For...(insert deity of choice) sake! There will always be trade hubs, look at our civilization! People will not spread voluntary out of Jita as long as they can still make the most of money for minimal effort and people won't stop coming there despite lag because things are cheaper there... Asking CCP to quickly fix this situation without ruining the economy built up there (and by extension in EVE) is like telling them to fix the current trend of people moving to the cities from the countryside. A problem that governments have tried an failed miserably to do. I'm no fan of Jita, I live +20 jumps away and that's to close for comfort but I do realize that trying to eliminate hubs is like trying to stop a freight train by spitting on it. The easiest solution is for those who dislike it to stay away from it. Oh and Interbus was on the tables like 3 years ago I think. I highly doubt CCP is going to implement it now. And for the wild guesses: I guess they just don't see Jita as a "gamestopper bug" or a pressing matter. It's performance and player experience related, and the EULA states "Game experience may change during play" - - PINK PINK PINK PINK
Ralara	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Frug They don't listen to jack. They have never really implemented any of the plethora of excellent and often very simple suggestions people make on the forums. I've been here over a year, seen dozens of constructive threads, some of them even with dev posts saying "yeah that's a good idea" and I can't remember any of them actually being implemented. Ironically Jita is one thing I think they did all they can do about. It just takes longer than that, is all. I've been here since 2004 and I've seen a lot of things implemented that have been suggested over the years. Thing is, when you make a computer program or computer game, you have a set plan for how you want it achieved and what the goals are. You can't just stop halfway through and redesign it, adding and subtracting major components just because it's a good idea or new. I mean, look at Duke Nukem Forever. It's been nigh on 10 years for that to come out because they've redesigned it at least 3 times, changed the graphics engine twice etc. Things have improved. Drones, new regions, lag, tech 2 battleships, invention, new battleships etc. It just takes time. They DO listen and they listen carefully. They just don't reply to every thread nor do they implement every idea that gets sprung up here because it affects hundreds of thousands of players. They have to think carefully about it.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Skaz Asking CCP to quickly fix this situation without ruining the economy built up there (and by extension in EVE) is like telling them to fix the current trend of people moving to the cities from the countryside. A problem that governments have tried an failed miserably to do. lol, you should go out more ... EVE is a game. Players play it the way it is designed, it was designed by CCP. Everyone hugging Jita is a consequence of the design, Jita being lagged is a consequence of the design and the lackluster implementation. To prevent players from hugging Jita, the design must be changed, to prevent lag with the same design, the implementation must be changed. It's really simple. Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Xenon Star Amarr Viscosity	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:35:00 - [29] See wen i go to enter jita or if im logging in docked and it lags like a mofo, i close the game, go outside and kick a football, swim in the pool, walk my dog, if its time for work ill go there and earn dollars, yes there is a currency outside of isk. What i dont do i sit there, watching my screen slowly load images and have my ship jerk around slowly or something, i dont watch a screen saying "entering jita mood 4 caldari navy wateva it is" for like 30 mins. There is a world outside of eve, if jita is lagging, quit and come back, u might lose isk, but its isk not real money. Point is only tight arse virgins have time to winge about jita, real ppl dont let it emotionally destroy them ;)
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Snipe Ranger Edited by: Snipe Ranger on 31/12/2007 00:40:08 Edited by: Snipe Ranger on 31/12/2007 00:33:22 Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 00:27:04 Originally by: Snipe Ranger Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Nyx Avatar I'll say it again here: All they need to do is allow Concord to transport Items from main hubs like Jita to anywhere in Empire for a fee. fee based on # of jumps from hub system. no, ppl just need to spread their trading to different regions, for gods sake we have like several thousand solar systems, just spread them a bit across the region it'll fix the lag, what would you prefer? black hole lagfest or jumping an extra jump to get an item? Yea because it would be so much easier to have all the industrialist that have been set up in Jita for YEARS with TONS and TONS of m3 worth of items move across all of space. Or just setting up a transfer system that would also REMOVE ISK from the game (which is another MAJOR problem) that would in 1 day solve most of the Jita lagg problems. oh please, your making it sound like i'm asking all industralists that are in jita to travel like 32 jumps each time they want to make sell/buy orders.... all i'm saying is start gradually spreading your **** out with a spread of 5 jumps from jita.. that's all!.. cause this is getting ridiculous and there are limits to how much you can actually blame ccp for it. Sorry stupid statement. Bottom line is everyone wants their items to sell, and sell fast, and EVERYONE knows the only place that happens is Jita. So you can sit in a fantasy world and think "yea if only 1 or 2 traders move then a few will follow.. so on and so forth". If it was THAT simple it would have been done a LONG time ago and we wouldn't have the mess Jita is now. Implement a system to transfer goods from Jita to elsewhere in space for a fee (that also helps REMOVE ISK FROM THE GAME) and now we are talking solutions. Even if the transfer WASN'T instant (they would have to wait the average time it takes to fly from Jita to Esa for example) people would pay a good bundle to avoid having to go to Jita. oursulaert rens amarr want more examples of where to sell stuff fast? --- planetary interaction idea!

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