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Thornat
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Posted - 2007.12.31 11:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Akira Nei
Just curious as to the huge amount of b*tching that goes on about the nerfs and Jita... None of those threads have any CCP replys in them... Is that for any particular reason or just because they don't care?
The simple truth is that this is a company and companies care about one thing, making money so unless it hurts their wallet odds are they probobly don't give it much priority.
In the case of Jita, clearly they have put forth considerable effort to resolve the problem, but nothing they have tried has worked to the satisfication of the player base, yet it has cost them considerable amount of money to try. I expect they have concluded their efforts with Jita with their latest effort and at this point will likely just let it be hoping that player irritaton will prompt people to leave Jita rather then ***** about it endlessly.
There are a number of simpler solutions like simply placing a limit on the amount of people that can be in a system (say 500) dissalowing anyone from entrying and creating a 'waitng' que. This will severly hamper the economic flow of Jita which would be a good thing, while eliminating the amount of people that go their which is also a good thing. In the end Jita is only a problem because the devs have refused to give up on trying to fix it, which I think is honorable but at this point the efforts have hurt the game more then simply doing a simple 'limitation' fix. If nothing else they should implement a limitation patch until they figure out how they will solve it rather then letting a part of their game world be so crappy.
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Layla
Dark and Light inc.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.31 11:49:00 -
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CCP do care what the players are saying, but with over 200,000 "voices", it can be very difficult for them to hear one voice from the background din. For an in-depth analysis of what CCP are trying to do about this. See Xhagen's excellent White Paper on the Stellar Council proposals. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=636642
The issue of Jita lag is mainly caused by players themselves. People flock to Jita as if it is the only place in the Universe where you can buy or sell all your goods. This is patently untrue. There are a load of other market hubs including
Agil, Amarr, Oursulaert, Dodixie/Aunia, Rens, Orvolle, Yulai, Hek,
etc, to mention a few. People need to use these hubs instead of Jita. It is not so much effort for industrialists and merchants to service 2 or 3 hubs. My alt has been selling stuff everywhere except Jita for years, and making good money from it.
People with long memories will remember Yulai which was, proportionally, as crowded 2 years ago as Jita is now. CCP "fixed" this by cutting its links to other systems and removing the "super-highways". Of course, it just shifted the problem.
Players themselves have to fix the Jita problem. It is not one which CCP can (or should, imo) fix on their own.
Just my own opinions, of course.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Layla
Players themselves have to fix the Jita problem. It is not one which CCP can (or should, imo) fix on their own.
This is simply not true. There are so many ways the Jita problems could be fixed that I can't even be bothered to list more than a few. It's a simple truth that people will adapt to the game and currently hugging Jita is what they do (it's not lagging enough, or it's not widely enough known, or people simply refuse to accept that Jita is unusable and CCP doesn't fix it).
Some suggestions in order of preference:
* make the EVE universe much bigger ... WTZ made single trade hubs attractive since travel is so fast
* add global market offers to the market (not only regional), so offers in other market hubs are visible (eve-central.com isn't a good workaround)
* move agents around automatically (come on, we have LP stores and corp-based LP now, it can't be a problem)
* increase market fees with number of orders in the station/system
* add docking fees when too many people are docked already
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I am sure the devs do care. As they always do.
The question is: Do the players care about the game as a whole, or do they simply just care about their epeen ego and their own toys?
Explain the lack of dev responses to ISK farming threads then ? That's the community caring about the future of the game , and devs deliberately ignoring the issue.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:32:00 -
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Lets hope not. :)
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I am sure the devs do care. As they always do.
The question is: Do the players care about the game as a whole, or do they simply just care about their epeen ego and their own toys?
Explain the lack of dev responses to ISK farming threads then ? That's the community caring about the future of the game , and devs deliberately ignoring the issue.
That's one of the least important issues, given that
a) most players are not affected by it in any way (what's the problem really? ISK sale spammers?)
b) if noone buys ISK, the farmers will go away ... so someone must be buying, therefore it's hardly a pressing issue for *all* players
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:53:00 -
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CCP is listening but believe it or not there are limits to what they can do.
JITA is the HOLY GRAIL of MMORG gaming.
If CCP manages to eliminate lag in JITA then hang on cause that would also mean the solution to 99 % of all the lag in the game.
However even with Jita on it's own node there are still issues.
It is NOT a simple solution
And you will know the day CCP has given up.
That will be the day CCP shards EVE and goes the route of every other MMORG.
May we all never see that day.
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ddr800
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Posted - 2007.12.31 15:06:00 -
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Nope
Think about it this way as long as you keep generating them a decent paycheck and all those new fancy cars/homes do you think they give a crap what your loser @ss says in broken English on their forums?
200,000 Accounts X 14.95 Month = [2,990,000 Per Month] x 12 Months = [35,880,000 per year]
That doesnĘt include the first month fee of 19.95 for the game download, which everyone pays, and the cake from the eve store.
Ps: Those numbers arenĘt interstellar credits LOL those are Real dollarsą.
Btw: I can make fun of this because I donĘt pay crap for my account I buy GTC with ISK,
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Kurogauna
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Posted - 2007.12.31 15:49:00 -
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ccp listen to player base
*proof*
the baby blue has been changed.
NOW, the problems you speak about are are more complicated.
And yes, if ccp listen, CCP don't speak that much with the player base.
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Dagda Dia
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Posted - 2007.12.31 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kurogauna
ccp listen to player base
*proof*
the baby blue has been changed.
NOW, the problems you speak about are are more complicated.
And yes, if ccp listen, CCP don't speak that much with the player base.
Not everyone wanted the "baby blue" changed. It all boils down to who whines the most. This is true in every nerf that has happen so far. Plus I think CCP ask majior allinaces what they want. Think they chat about it on MSN.
Move along nothing to see here, yes I am a ALT
Just portecting my main.
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2007.12.31 19:51:00 -
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Does CCP listen to the players, well, we shall see. There is a 41 page+ thread on Amarr going on. If the next patch/update is no the Amarr Oomph, then they do definitely not.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.12.31 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Madla Mafia
Does CCP listen to the players, well, we shall see. There is a 41 page+ thread on Amarr going on. If the next patch/update is no the Amarr Oomph, then they do definitely not.
Either that or they dont think the ideas in that thread is good. Listening is not the same as doing as someone wants.... 
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