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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.12.31 11:41:00 -
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its a pvp game
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 11:55:06
 Originally by: Dubious Drewski
Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) you fly a drake
No, I clearly said I fly a CNR to do missions. The Drake is for pvp, hence my sig. Who the hell would make a sig to taunt AI ships? Not me! My sig is referring to YOU! Originally by: 7shining7one7
b) you do lvl 3 or lvl 4 mission running yourself and you fly a drake Raven
It's a Raven. It's a big ugly Raven.
Originally by: 7shining7one7
c) many of those that have cnr's have grinded lvl 4 missions for about 6 months for them
Yup, or 3-4 months if you were as dedicated as I was.
Originally by: 7shining7one7
d) you need a reality check about how much you actually earn doing lvl 4's
The reality is that I am able to fit my CNR fairly well and I'm able to lose a rigged Drake in pvp now and then. It doesn't get anymore real or definative than that, my friend-with-a-grudge!
Now, I'm not saying that the mission-grind isn't long, arduous and boring-as-hell, but if you can bear it, it will make you rich.
first off lvl 4 missions don't pay that well, it varies greatly, even with a high quality agent and good social skills, which i have.
some missions u luck out and get a sequence of dual gurista extravaganza (20m each takes about 2 hours each) and worlds collide (25m'ish) etc. but then u can get a whole strain of 5m 2 hour missions afterwards..
in other words your trying to make hi sec lvl 4 mission running glamourous but your just talking out of your ass... i'm not saying there's something wrong with the mission pay, i'm just saying your talking out of your ass when your saying you are raking in immense riches in empire..
low sec and 0.0 for the win, if u can't see that then please stfu till you can tbqh. your fueling the empire is imbalanced trolls with your misinformed rubbish. and failing horribly and potentially ruining it for newer players who need these missions to start off their economy for lack of better and and bigger increase of income (low sec).
3-4 months you say, howcome you pleaded me for helpies with lvl 4 ae bonus room 3-4 months ago? or did you just start mission running back then? methinks u've bought a gtc (fine by me) and bought a cnr and are now just talking out of your ass tbqh..
nah i don't have a grudge per se, eventhough you tried to gang alt exploit me back then which i didn't fall for. so you seem kinda like a stupid azzhole to me till you've proven otherwise, and you haven't.
i just think you in general talk a lot of rubbish, and the replies in this post are no exception.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dubious Drewski on 31/12/2007 12:15:09
Heh, this is awesome. I have a true arch nemesis. Too bad it's over the internet. But it still makes me chuckle.
Edit: but by the way, I was running lvl 4's with my Drake successfully long before I was running them with a Raven successfully. It was the Drake that earned me alot of the faction gear that I have on my CNR now.
I still love that thing.
Edit #2: And another thing. At the time I offered you that AE bonus room. I was genuinely trying to be a nice guy offering it to you. Honestly truly. I didn't even know who Lofty29 was at the time. Ask around the forums, ask around Motsu if anyone anywhere knows anyone I tried to gank. You won't find anybody 'cause I've never tried it. Ever.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 12:14:43
Originally by: Dubious Drewski
Heh, this is awesome. I have a true arch nemesis. Too bad it's over the internet. But it still makes me chuckle.
lol don't flatter yourself, your not even close to me being your nemesis, i just think your mildly annoying for spewing out rubbish is all..
allthough it would be interesting if you were to hypothetically be suicide ganked in your cnr when your running lvl 4's in motsu, and then watch how long it takes you to bend over and buy another gtc (nothing wrong with buying gtc's but it's ******** to lie about doing it to somehow be a toughguy brosef) to get it back, or alternatively, how long time it _actually_ takes you to grind the lp necessary xD and then what your comments about lvl 4 missions will be.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 12:32:28
anyways time for some truth:
in best case a lvl 4 hi sec mission will give around 5-6k lp
and these missions will take atleast 2-3 hours.
a cnr costs 600k lp
which means you will _in best case assuming optimal sequence of missions_ have to spend 12,5 full days of gametime to grind for a cnr.
this excludes ammo, repairs and the likes. and assumes that you go straight from 1 mission to another with 2 minute fitting and launch delay.
mission running is great tho: good standing: jump clones, better refining etc. etc.
and offcourse lp grinding for lp store stuff like faction ships and equipment etc.
but isk/time cost benefit wise _hi sec mission running_ is a sucky business. and a cnr only sells for about 500m or less these days.
compared to the time spent doing it, it's not all it's *****ed up to be, but for those that use several maxed chars in unison or/and have m8's help them out it can be pretty decent.
but it's NO substitute for low sec even with the aforementioned. low sec and 0.0 simply pays better.. that's the way the game was designed, empire is pretty safe but sucky in most scenarios.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 12:32:28
anyways time for some truth:
in best case a lvl 4 hi sec mission will give around 5-6k lp
and these missions will take atleast 2-3 hours.
a cnr costs 600k lp
which means you will _in best case assuming optimal sequence of missions_ have to spend 12,5 full days of gametime to grind for a cnr.
this excludes ammo, repairs and the likes. and assumes that you go straight from 1 mission to another with 2 minute fitting and launch delay.
mission running is great tho: good standing: jump clones, better refining etc. etc.
and offcourse lp grinding for lp store stuff like faction ships and equipment etc.
but isk/time cost benefit wise _hi sec mission running_ is a sucky business. and a cnr only sells for about 500m or less these days.
compared to the time spent doing it, it's not all it's *****ed up to be, but for those that use several maxed chars in unison or/and have m8's help them out it can be pretty decent.
but it's NO substitute for low sec even with the aforementioned. low sec and 0.0 simply pays better.. that's the way the game was designed, empire is pretty safe but sucky in most scenarios.
I've never took the time to figure out my LP/hr, but it's fairly irrelevant because you're going to get the ISK to buy a CNR first. If I'm doing nothing but mission running, it takes me about 3 days to make 500-600mil. And I'm using a 0.8 agent. |
7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 12:54:42
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 12:32:28
anyways time for some truth:
in best case a lvl 4 hi sec mission will give around 5-6k lp
and these missions will take atleast 2-3 hours.
a cnr costs 600k lp
which means you will _in best case assuming optimal sequence of missions_ have to spend 12,5 full days of gametime to grind for a cnr.
this excludes ammo, repairs and the likes. and assumes that you go straight from 1 mission to another with 2 minute fitting and launch delay.
mission running is great tho: good standing: jump clones, better refining etc. etc.
and offcourse lp grinding for lp store stuff like faction ships and equipment etc.
but isk/time cost benefit wise _hi sec mission running_ is a sucky business. and a cnr only sells for about 500m or less these days.
compared to the time spent doing it, it's not all it's *****ed up to be, but for those that use several maxed chars in unison or/and have m8's help them out it can be pretty decent.
but it's NO substitute for low sec even with the aforementioned. low sec and 0.0 simply pays better.. that's the way the game was designed, empire is pretty safe but sucky in most scenarios.
I've never took the time to figure out my LP/hr, but it's fairly irrelevant because you're going to get the ISK to buy a CNR first. If I'm doing nothing but mission running, it takes me about 3 days to make 500-600mil. And I'm using a 0.8 agent.
the point was that he claimed to have bought it for lp + him saying that he's made billions and basically had it made in his cnr (check the first page), totally flaming and mocking the op.. and then when the truth is revealed it is not at all that flattering.. he was feeding the "empire is safe and a huge income source, nerf it plz!" trolls and talking general rubbish.. which was why i intervened.
there's nothing wrong with the pay, just with ppl talking crap they don't have a clue about which can cause ccp to change stuff under false pretenses.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.31 12:56:00 -
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Oh I guess I should make it clear. I don't disagree with you that low sec/0.0 pays more. I completely agree that it can.
(And don't forget to include manufacturing/trading in your income calculations - cause I know that is a huge contributor to my income. (But no, I don't haul alot around. So no, I won't make a tasty suicide target  )
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Melor Rend on 31/12/2007 13:04:23
Missions (esp. lvl4 since lvl3 are irrelevant) in highsec are fine as they currently are. They don't need to be further nerfed but surely also not boosted! Imo the more riskier areas (lowsec and 0.0) now have to be boosted so the risk VS reward is back in balance. Currently there is pretty much no risk involved to run lvl4s and you have a steady income and if you're not a noob you can also make some nice ISK from the LPs.
In 0.0 or lowsec however the risk of being killed is there at every gate. Depending on what you do (e.g. lvl4s in 0.0 or simply ratting or complexes) you need anything from a BC up to a faction fitted HAC to be able to solo them and then you still have to haul your loot back out to empire to sell it (which is a further risk depending on area). As it currently stands, you don't make enough ISK per H in 0.0 if you factor in the risk and logistics involved.
I can pretty much afk any lvl4 and can fly one of them after another while doing something else on my second account. You have a nice steady income that way.. in 0.0 you may warp to a belt and find an officer worth 4bil but you also may get your 500mil ship ganked on the way to a complex (and then you'll have to run plexes or rat for a good while until you've payed off the loss).
So bottom line is: empire yields (if anything) too much ISK for the risk involved. No adjustments required.
0.0 and lowsec however need to be boosted so they are up to par with empire when you factor in the risk, "instability" and logstics needed for this ISK source.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:03:00 -
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Get a high quality level 3 agent (preferably in a .7 or lower) and work up your standings a bit. Watch your average pay.
Anyway the low paying missions are almost always very quick ones that you can fly in, pop a structure, grab a piece of loot or trigger a spawn and then just fly out right away. Being able to stick around and clean up afterwards if you want is just a bonus.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:03:20
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
I've never took the time to figure out my LP/hr, but it's fairly irrelevant because you're going to get the ISK to buy a CNR first. If I'm doing nothing but mission running, it takes me about 3 days to make 500-600mil. And I'm using a 0.8 agent.
I'm gonna have to call bullsjit here btw.
there's no way you can in 3 days (even 24 hour grinding) earn 5-600m iskies doing lvl 4 missions with a _0.8 q18 agent_ (yes i know which agent you use). even with an uber bs V t2 setup and no lag.
even if you collect all the loot and all the salvage and get all the bounties and get a string of super missions right after eachother.. there's just no way you can do that in _3 days_
wallet screenshot please..
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Melor Rend on 31/12/2007 13:12:37
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:03:20
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
I've never took the time to figure out my LP/hr, but it's fairly irrelevant because you're going to get the ISK to buy a CNR first. If I'm doing nothing but mission running, it takes me about 3 days to make 500-600mil. And I'm using a 0.8 agent.
I'm gonna have to call bullsjit here btw.
there's no way you can in 3 days (even 24 hour grinding) earn 5-600m iskies doing lvl 4 missions with a _0.8 q18 agent_ (yes i know which agent you use). even with an uber bs V t2 setup and no lag.
even if you collect all the loot and all the salvage and get all the bounties and get a string of super missions right after eachother.. there's just no way you can do that in _3 days_
wallet screenshot please..
I don't know the agent but I think the the number isn't vastly exaggerated if you take the LPs into account. LPs are worth a huge amount of ISK if you know what to do with them... 8,5k LP for a lvl4 is very sweet for zero risk ISK source imho. I can usually get about 40-80mil ISK for 4h of missions (depending on what missions i get ofc) plus about 30-40k LP and they bring me a good 100mil within a few weeks so thats a nice income for sitting in highsec somewhere. 
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:21:01
Originally by: Melor Rend
Edited by: Melor Rend on 31/12/2007 13:12:37
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:03:20
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
I've never took the time to figure out my LP/hr, but it's fairly irrelevant because you're going to get the ISK to buy a CNR first. If I'm doing nothing but mission running, it takes me about 3 days to make 500-600mil. And I'm using a 0.8 agent.
I'm gonna have to call bullsjit here btw.
there's no way you can in 3 days (even 24 hour grinding) earn 5-600m iskies doing lvl 4 missions with a _0.8 q18 agent_ (yes i know which agent you use). even with an uber bs V t2 setup and no lag.
even if you collect all the loot and all the salvage and get all the bounties and get a string of super missions right after eachother.. there's just no way you can do that in _3 days_
wallet screenshot please..
I don't know the agent but I think the the number isn't vastly exaggerated if you take the LPs into account. LPs are worth a huge amount of ISK if you know what to do with them... 8,5k LP for a lvl4 is very sweet for zero risk ISK source imho. I can usually get about 40-80mil ISK for 4h of missions (depending on what missions i get ofc) plus about 30-40k LP and they bring me a good 100mil within a few weeks so thats a nice income for sitting in highsec somewhere.
i know what your getting and i did mention the buy for lp sell high in other system part of mission running, which is how the advanced mission runners do it. But do concede that 3 days is totally unrealistic even with maxed social skills in for instance military connections and hi tech connections which are relevant to the particular agent he is using.
i guess what i'm trying to get at is quit fracking waving your e-peen around and especially stop talking rubbish, all achieve is some random nerf due to whinage ensuing from your comments.
your high end maxed out mission runners, it's like a frigging maxed out capital pilot pwning everything and just claiming that it's not cause of his maxed skills or insane faction fit but just cause _he's that good_ (rubbish). resulting in a nerf...
a normal regular noob or semi noob can't even get close to making a fraction of that within 3 days, which will be what the "empire is imbalanced" trolls will proclaim.. so stop talking nonsense and keep it realistic and turn the e-peen comments down a notch.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:09:07
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
I've never took the time to figure out my LP/hr, but it's fairly irrelevant because you're going to get the ISK to buy a CNR first. If I'm doing nothing but mission running, it takes me about 3 days to make 500-600mil. And I'm using a 0.8 agent.
I'm gonna have to call bullsjit here btw.
there's no way you can in 3 days (even 24 hour grinding) earn 5-600m iskies doing lvl 4 missions with a _0.8 q18 agent_ (yes i know which agent you use). even with an uber bs V t2 setup and no lag.
even if you collect all the loot and all the salvage and get all the bounties and get a string of super missions right after eachother.. there's just no way you can do that in _3 days_
not even if you simultaneously take the 3 day grinded sp and buy stuff in lp store and resell it in a system to a sap who doesn't know a good price.
there's just no way to get that amount of _iskies_ that fast in hi sec doing a 0.8 agent, it's completely laughable.
toot your own horn if you must, but please have something realistic to show for it when you do.
wallet screenshot please..
First off, Q20 L4 agent in 0.8. So not only are you unaware of what agent I'm using, you're unaware of his existence. Secondly, I'm not sure what you're doing wrong, but I assure you that 150mil-200mil is quite attainable for me in a day, though I do play for prolonged periods of time.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
i know what your getting and i did mention the buy for lp sell high in other system part of mission running, which is how the advanced mission runners do it. But do concede that 3 days is totally unrealistic even with maxed social skills in for instance military connections and hi tech connections which are relevant to the particular agent he is using.
Yeah with purely the ISK you make within the 3days (excluding any ISK you make from the LPs in the weeks and months thereafter) I'm sure you'll be very hard pushed to earn 600mil. However when I say I earn "40mil per hour" I'm ofc calculating the LPs in there. After that I only need to click a few times to setup market orders and wait.
But since I don't get any LPs when I for instance do exploration in 0.0, I still think that you have to calculate the ISK from the LP into the income from a empire mission runner. Thats why I still think that empire should not be nerfed but 0.0 and lowsec should be boosted instead.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:25:10
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:09:07
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
I've never took the time to figure out my LP/hr, but it's fairly irrelevant because you're going to get the ISK to buy a CNR first. If I'm doing nothing but mission running, it takes me about 3 days to make 500-600mil. And I'm using a 0.8 agent.
I'm gonna have to call bullsjit here btw.
there's no way you can in 3 days (even 24 hour grinding) earn 5-600m iskies doing lvl 4 missions with a _0.8 q18 agent_ (yes i know which agent you use). even with an uber bs V t2 setup and no lag.
even if you collect all the loot and all the salvage and get all the bounties and get a string of super missions right after eachother.. there's just no way you can do that in _3 days_
not even if you simultaneously take the 3 day grinded sp and buy stuff in lp store and resell it in a system to a sap who doesn't know a good price.
there's just no way to get that amount of _iskies_ that fast in hi sec doing a 0.8 agent, it's completely laughable.
toot your own horn if you must, but please have something realistic to show for it when you do.
wallet screenshot please..
First off, Q20 L4 agent in 0.8. So not only are you unaware of what agent I'm using, you're unaware of his existence. Secondly, I'm not sure what you're doing wrong, but I assure you that 150mil-200mil is quite attainable for me in a day, though I do play for prolonged periods of time.
if you insist on being frisky allow me to use a locator agent on you mr. e-peen.
it's not about me doing it wrong, it's you coming off like everyone in empire is making that amount of iskies doing hi sec mission running.. which is exactly the cause of immense empire whinage from the low sec pvp'ers who wants more cannon fodder..
your giving ccp an incentive to nerf empire mission running.. hurting the newbies aswell as yours, and your completely clueless and carefree about it cause your so busy admiring your e-peen.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:34:00 -
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As much as I don't get along with this guy, I have to agree with him on one thing: if you know something advantageous - don't share it. You'll only hurt that advantage in the end.
In fact, I shouldn't have said that, because anyone reading this who doesn't know better than to keep his mouth shut about his advantages now knows to. Ironic, no?
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Melor Rend on 31/12/2007 13:39:39
Edited by: Melor Rend on 31/12/2007 13:39:06
Originally by: 7shining7one7
if you insist on being frisky allow me to use a locator agent on you mr. e-peen. allthough before i do allow me to take a wild guess and say amarr space amirite?
it's not about me doing it wrong, it's you coming off like everyone in empire is making that amount of iskies doing hi sec mission running.. which is exactly the cause of immense empire whinage from the low sec pvp'ers who wants more cannon fodder..
your giving ccp an incentive to nerf empire mission running.. hurting the newbies aswell as yourself, and your completely clueless and carefree about it cause your so busy admiring your e-peen.
I don't think it's anything to be proud of if you can earn 600mil in 3 days since it's very easy... it just takes time.
I also didn't start with a fitted CNR or billions of ISK in wallet.. I spent ages grinding and slowly could build up a very dedicated mission runner. If CCP would do what you are asking for (boost empire) then a dedicated mission runner would not make 600mil but 1,2bil in 3 days and the noob would still make 100 times less... If you want noobs to have a better time then give them more SP, more ISK or increased learning speed whatever.. but don't try and fiddle around with missions. They are already lucrative enough whether 50mil SP mission runner uber-leet or 3mil SP noob.
Edit: and if you don't believe me then make a 3mil SP noob char and go make more ISK in 0.0 while you get your first (and probably only) ratting ship eaten by evil men in internet spaceships.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:47:00 -
[49]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 13:49:12
Originally by: Melor Rend
Edited by: Melor Rend on 31/12/2007 13:39:39
Edited by: Melor Rend on 31/12/2007 13:39:06
Originally by: 7shining7one7
if you insist on being frisky allow me to use a locator agent on you mr. e-peen. allthough before i do allow me to take a wild guess and say amarr space amirite?
it's not about me doing it wrong, it's you coming off like everyone in empire is making that amount of iskies doing hi sec mission running.. which is exactly the cause of immense empire whinage from the low sec pvp'ers who wants more cannon fodder..
your giving ccp an incentive to nerf empire mission running.. hurting the newbies aswell as yourself, and your completely clueless and carefree about it cause your so busy admiring your e-peen.
I don't think it's anything to be proud of if you can earn 600mil in 3 days since it's very easy... it just takes time.
I also didn't start with a fitted CNR or billions of ISK in wallet.. I spent ages grinding and slowly could build up a very dedicated mission runner. If CCP would do what you are asking for (boost empire) then a dedicated mission runner would not make 600mil but 1,2bil in 3 days and the noob would still make 100 times less... If you want noobs to have a better time then give them more SP, more ISK or increased learning speed whatever.. but don't try and fiddle around with missions. They are already lucrative enough whether 50mil SP mission runner uber-leet or 3mil SP noob.
Edit: and if you don't believe me then make a 3mil SP noob char and go make more ISK in 0.0 while you get your first (and probably only) ratting ship eaten by evil men in internet spaceships.
dude i'm not asking to boost empire, i've constantly said it's fine the way it is, but i don't want it nerfed either. in fact you and i totally agree, a fact you seem to miss, the newbies need this mission running pay due to their sp. and the other e-peen guy that i disagree with is taking marvelous steps towards giving ccp an incentive to nerf it.
i'm assuming you said the above because you thought i was referring to you, i wasn't, i was referring to the other guy.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.12.31 13:52:00 -
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I'm not all that worried about CCP nerfing my missions. I'm still disgusted I make more here than I did when I ratted in 0.0. It's all a means to an end for me anyway. And yeah, Amarr space is amazing, and not just because Sansha melt like butter in a frying pan to a gankabaddon. Like Melor said, it ain't difficult, just time consuming. I'm not too worried about rocking the boat because, frankly, I'm not too fond of the mechanics of missions in their current form anyhow, and they're plenty lucrative enough as is. Which is why I'm in a whine thread about their rewards and explaining how much I can generate when I buckle down and bust out the faction fit PVE-mobiles for a week-long carebear romp. I'm not so obsessed with pressing for maximum ISK/hr that I'm not going to comment on what I view to be the way forward for the game when it might conflict with my personal playstyle.
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Matthew Cooper
Who What When Where Why and How
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Psych0
Originally by: F'nog
You should have been here when L3s were an order of magnitude lower in payout.
heh i can remember it took almost a week of pretty hardcore mission running to get enough money for a rax :).
I still remember a mission that had 2 cruiser rats with a bounty of 65K man that one could be a ***** 
Sounds like the original version of Duo of Death to me?
Originally by: Tarminic
Stop posting with your alt Kieron. 
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:00:00 -
[52]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 14:05:29
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
I'm not all that worried about CCP nerfing my missions. I'm still disgusted I make more here than I did when I ratted in 0.0. It's all a means to an end for me anyway. And yeah, Amarr space is amazing, and not just because Sansha melt like butter in a frying pan to a gankabaddon. Like Melor said, it ain't difficult, just time consuming. I'm not too worried about rocking the boat because, frankly, I'm not too fond of the mechanics of missions in their current form anyhow, and they're plenty lucrative enough as is. Which is why I'm in a whine thread about their rewards and explaining how much I can generate when I buckle down and bust out the faction fit PVE-mobiles for a week-long carebear romp. I'm not so obsessed with pressing for maximum ISK/hr that I'm not going to comment on what I view to be the way forward for the game when it might conflict with my personal playstyle.
So u want the newbs to get hurt by mission nerf because you have decided to extensively farm missions in amarr space with a _faction fit pve bs_ and high sp in general.. what a grand reason for asking for a nerf, you utter muppet.. i was right the first time.. your too busy with admiring your e-peen that you don't see the big picture.
and if you can't make that kind of isk in 0.0.. then _you're_ the one doing it wrong imo..
also fail comparison of randomized belt ratting that all can access and has a not so negligeable respawn timer attached to it, to mission running that is dedicated deadspace for the particular player and is mostly payed in lp and standing increases.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:13:00 -
[53]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 14:08:24
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
I'm not all that worried about CCP nerfing my missions. I'm still disgusted I make more here than I did when I ratted in 0.0. It's all a means to an end for me anyway. And yeah, Amarr space is amazing, and not just because Sansha melt like butter in a frying pan to a gankabaddon. Like Melor said, it ain't difficult, just time consuming. I'm not too worried about rocking the boat because, frankly, I'm not too fond of the mechanics of missions in their current form anyhow, and they're plenty lucrative enough as is. Which is why I'm in a whine thread about their rewards and explaining how much I can generate when I buckle down and bust out the faction fit PVE-mobiles for a week-long carebear romp. I'm not so obsessed with pressing for maximum ISK/hr that I'm not going to comment on what I view to be the way forward for the game when it might conflict with my personal playstyle.
So you want the newbies in high sec to get hurt by mission nerf because you after a failed 0.0 escapade have decided to extensively farm missions in hi sec amarr space with a _faction fit pve bs_ and high sp in general.. what a grand reason for asking for a nerf, you utter muppet.. I was right the first time.. your too busy admiring your e-peen to see the big picture.
and if you can't make that kind of isk in 0.0.. then _you're_ the one doing it wrong imo..
also fail comparison of randomized belt ratting that all can access and has a not so negligeable respawn timer attached to it, to mission running that is dedicated deadspace for the particular player and is mostly payed in lp and standing increases.
You're a little spiteful and illogical, and you keep spontaneously dropping words like "e-peen" and "muppet." If I agree to always feverishly scream for buffs to our mutual playstyle in these threads, can I join your merry band of tunnel-visioned elite carebears? We can romp through Motsu complaining about lag while contributing it, and make bitter comments about Trinity torpedoes.
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Psych0
Gallente
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew Cooper
Originally by: Psych0
Originally by: F'nog
You should have been here when L3s were an order of magnitude lower in payout.
heh i can remember it took almost a week of pretty hardcore mission running to get enough money for a rax :).
I still remember a mission that had 2 cruiser rats with a bounty of 65K man that one could be a *****
Sounds like the original version of Duo of Death to me?
That might be it but i really cant remember its 4 years ago :)
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Master Randolf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:18:00 -
[55]
WHAT you can sell LP din't know that i got allot of lp where do i sell it?
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:20:00 -
[56]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 31/12/2007 14:21:25
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
You're a little spiteful and illogical, and you keep spontaneously dropping words like "e-peen" and "muppet." If I agree to always feverishly scream for buffs to our mutual playstyle in these threads, can I join your merry band of tunnel-visioned elite carebears? We can romp through Motsu complaining about lag while contributing it, and make bitter comments about Trinity torpedoes.
the only one screaming for buffs/nerfs are you i'm saying it's fine the way it is, btw. use locator agent, and finally the torps are more than fine, if anything they got a huge buff as far as i'm concerned.
you seem to be the biggest _self admitted_ carebear farmer of the two of us, yet your the one not so subtly asking for a nerf.. make sense man.. oh wait it's new years day, nvm, happy new year m8 cheers.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:20:00 -
[57]
Try something other than courier missions.
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Zinras
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Zinras
Get to level 4 missions and watch the money roll in the bank as you AFK tank an entire pocket of enemies in your Raven and only have to press F1-F6 once in a while.
Wouldn't pressing some buttons require you to be at your keyboard?
Aside from that I can make a cool 60 mil in a couple of hours. Only time I do L3's is to let some of the younger corpmates have fun while every enemy ships attacks me.
Yes, yes it does.. I have, however, alt+tabbed out of the game (achieving the same thing game-wise) where I either forum***** a bit or chat to people while waiting for whatever I'm shooting at to blow up. Sometimes, though, I do leave my keyboard to eat a bit or something as I can easily permarun my booster. Sometimes I've even fallen asleep when I've been tired and woken up 30 mins later in my chair with my Raven still tanking away
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:25:00 -
[59]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
the only one screaming for buffs/nerfs are you i'm saying it's fine the way it is, btw. use locator agent, and finally the torps are more than fine, if anything they got a huge buff as far as i'm concerned.
you seem to be the biggest _self admitted_ carebear farmer of the two of us, yet your the one not so subtly asking for a nerf.. make sense man.. oh wait it's new years day, nvm, happy new year m8 cheers.
Can't I be a part-time carebear and admit that my missions make me a lot of money? Not that it's gonna stop me from taking advantage of it of course. ^_^
Happy New Year! Still a bit early for that here at least, tho. >_>
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Sister Impotentata
Elite Angels Of Death
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Posted - 2007.12.31 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution
That must be the lowest paying L3.
For the record, I did an L3 yesterday that paid out 41,000 ISK. Reward and Bonus. But then, it only took about three and a half minutes. A one jump courier mish, part six of a seven part drone grind. I don't know if it's new, but seven missions worth of no bounties was a bummer.
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purple and red and yellow and on fire
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