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Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.31 15:18:00 - [61] I usually made about 100-120 mill a day in my standard, T2 fitted Raven. I can do about 150-200 mill a day in my CNR if I wanted to.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.31 16:49:00 - [62] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire From my experience, I have been running level four missions and they give me rewards like 3M per mission and takes about three to five hours to complete solo. Loot can be totally useless because they are like ion blaster cannon, large armor repairer or some meta one or two items. I had been salvaging wrecks and collecting loot but after like the tenth missions, I have totally stopped doing so. It isn't really worth the time salvaging and looting because it adds another one to two hours collecting peanuts. Have I been doing something wrong or is it that I have been totally unlucky with loot? I haven't seen any faction mod or meta four item yet. If your mission ship doesn't have a tractor beam and salvager on it, you have no business launching it for missions. A Raven has the two extra slots for it built in. You can salvage and loot in situ, organize anything you can't carry into a single can for easier recovery from a hauler post mission, and cut no less than two hours off your time having to crawl around the wrecks after you're done with the mission. Yes, it means you can't AFK a mission to salvage in combat, but the benefit of actually doing some of the clean up while the battle still rages ups your profitability significantly.
Meloric	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:25:00 - [63] Dunno what the OP is complaining about. Did one L3 mission yesterday and the Agent reward/bonus plus the NPC bounties came to about 7 million ISK. The salvage and reprocessed loot drops was another 3 million on top of that. Was a lovely mission and hope to get it again soon.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:26:00 - [64] So what's better for making money as fast as possible without any issues? Missions or mining? _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow So what's better for making money as fast as possible without any issues? Missions or mining? These days, missions.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:31:00 - [66] I'm sure it has already been mentioned but just in case it hasn't, learn Negotiation and the proper Connections for your agent. You will see both lp and isk increase. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:33:00 - [67] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Jenny Spitfire From my experience, I have been running level four missions and they give me rewards like 3M per mission and takes about three to five hours to complete solo. Loot can be totally useless because they are like ion blaster cannon, large armor repairer or some meta one or two items. I had been salvaging wrecks and collecting loot but after like the tenth missions, I have totally stopped doing so. It isn't really worth the time salvaging and looting because it adds another one to two hours collecting peanuts. Have I been doing something wrong or is it that I have been totally unlucky with loot? I haven't seen any faction mod or meta four item yet. If your mission ship doesn't have a tractor beam and salvager on it, you have no business launching it for missions. A Raven has the two extra slots for it built in. You can salvage and loot in situ, organize anything you can't carry into a single can for easier recovery from a hauler post mission, and cut no less than two hours off your time having to crawl around the wrecks after you're done with the mission. Yes, it means you can't AFK a mission to salvage in combat, but the benefit of actually doing some of the clean up while the battle still rages ups your profitability significantly. I prefer a nos and a drone link augmentor. My little salvage ship can hold 4 tractor beams and 4 salvagers and is 10 times faster than a raven. Takes all of 10 minutes to salvage and loot the biggest missions. Ever try to loot a wreck that is 70km away and your top speed is 136m/s?
Flashmurder Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:38:00 - [68] For those of you saying it takes you 2-3 hours to do a L4 and they suck, are you playing the same game as me??
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:54:00 - [69] Originally by: Flashmurder For those of you saying it takes you 2-3 hours to do a L4 and they suck, are you playing the same game as me?? Either that or they probably don't really like the game or are uber-carebears. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.31 20:35:00 - [70] Quote: Currently there is pretty much no risk involved to run lvl4s This is of course, completely untrue, given the numbers in the recent economic dev blogs. The Raven is the most lost ship in the game, and is lost at a far higher rate (80%) than most other ships that are not mission running workhorses. Same holds true for popular mission running ships Drake (60%) and CNR (70%). The inescapable conclusion therefore, is that mission running is not risk free, as if mission running were risk free, ships that run missions would have a far lower loss rate than ships that do not run missions. Most t2 ships have an attrition rate of 50% or less. So, L4 missioning is far from being the least risky endeavor in EVE. I don't think its rewards need to be boosted, nor the missions made easier. Sure they're brutal on new players, but hey, what aspect of EVE isn't? If something needs work, it's the atrociously bad rewards in low sec (let's see, what kind of rewards would I need in order to still turn a profit after getting run over by an 8 man pirate gang...) and the scarcity of good 0.0 ratting spots. The good ones are better than mission running, but there are so few.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora	Posted - 2007.12.31 20:46:00 - [71] Op was talking about level 3's mostly and all CNR guys jump in poasting about level 4 greatness. :p I've been playing a year and I don't have isk for CNR. Not that I complain. Level 4's are not easy to do, especially if you undocked while you still had skills under level V. Also. I want to point out that if i'm a combat character I don't really give a crap about salvaging or picking every silly t1 piece just to maximize my isk income. At least for me level 4's ain't so great isk and level 3's are not even worth of time. I still remember grinding those pesky level 3's with my drake it was pain to get iskies up. Not saying I'm gonna wristcut or anything I am happily grinding some level 4's for isk, but...
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.31 20:58:00 - [72] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: Currently there is pretty much no risk involved to run lvl4s This is of course, completely untrue, given the numbers in the recent economic dev blogs. The Raven is the most lost ship in the game, and is lost at a far higher rate (80%) than most other ships that are not mission running workhorses. Same holds true for popular mission running ships Drake (60%) and CNR (70%). The inescapable conclusion therefore, is that mission running is not risk free, as if mission running were risk free, ships that run missions would have a far lower loss rate than ships that do not run missions. Is that what that means? I would interpret it as carebears who think their setups are solopwn, and go get themselves spanked in pewpew. If you lose a ship in a mish after trial-time, that's just fail. I'm probably wrong though, on many counts. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.31 21:18:00 - [73] Edited by: Janu Hull on 31/12/2007 21:19:27 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Jenny Spitfire From my experience, I have been running level four missions and they give me rewards like 3M per mission and takes about three to five hours to complete solo. Loot can be totally useless because they are like ion blaster cannon, large armor repairer or some meta one or two items. I had been salvaging wrecks and collecting loot but after like the tenth missions, I have totally stopped doing so. It isn't really worth the time salvaging and looting because it adds another one to two hours collecting peanuts. Have I been doing something wrong or is it that I have been totally unlucky with loot? I haven't seen any faction mod or meta four item yet. If your mission ship doesn't have a tractor beam and salvager on it, you have no business launching it for missions. A Raven has the two extra slots for it built in. You can salvage and loot in situ, organize anything you can't carry into a single can for easier recovery from a hauler post mission, and cut no less than two hours off your time having to crawl around the wrecks after you're done with the mission. Yes, it means you can't AFK a mission to salvage in combat, but the benefit of actually doing some of the clean up while the battle still rages ups your profitability significantly. I prefer a nos and a drone link augmentor. My little salvage ship can hold 4 tractor beams and 4 salvagers and is 10 times faster than a raven. Takes all of 10 minutes to salvage and loot the biggest missions. Ever try to loot a wreck that is 70km away and your top speed is 136m/s? Nope, my Rokhs always had a 100AB II Afterburner, so my top speed was 357 sustainable for extended periods, even while spamming Large Hybrid Antimatter rounds. I always caught the wrecks immediately after destruction, so I was never more than 35-40km from them after taking them down, at most, unless it was a rare occassion of sniping from extreme range, in which case, it was faster to fly another 20km away from the desired wreck, then warp to them from 151km away. Pop, tractor, loot & salvage while sustaining fire on the next target. Believe me, its insanely efficient. I skipped the NOS and used CCC I rigs and you've got me on the drone augmentator, though I never liked my drones being more than 30km from me, because when they went to their full range, a new pop would invariably attack them and destroy at least one before they made it to the drone bay. Yeah, I know, better skills, but my big grind at the time I was hardcore missioning was T2 Large Hybrids. Its just how I rolled, I found it fast and efficient, with only one ship-one toon needed on site.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.01.01 16:41:00 - [74] Quote: Is that what that means? I would interpret it as carebears who think their setups are solopwn, and go get themselves spanked in pewpew. Er, that involves making a lot of very strange assumptions. Quote: If you lose a ship in a mish after trial-time, that's just fail. I'm probably wrong though, on many counts. See, the 60m skill point faction fitted CNR veterans breeze through missions, as they should. I see a lot of people falling into the mistake that if missions are easy for them they are easy for everyone. What you all dont' realize is how utterly unrepresentative of the playerbase as a whole the tiny portion that posts on EVE-O is. We're the most hardcore players, the most knowledgeable, the most likely to have good fittings and good mods, etc. If you hang out in the newbie channels or corps and such, there are never ending litanies of "Sigh, lost my second raven this week just now." from poor guys that don't have super awesome fittings, who don't have their ships worth of isk invested in rigs, who don't have heads full of +3/5% implants, who don't know to read up on the missions before hand, who don't understand which ships are the triggers, etc. So they lose ships - lots of ships. It may be slightly less risky than some other activities in EVE (PvP) but to say it's riskless is silly, as evidenced by the horrendous ship losses. Remember, if the 'best of the best' find something very hard, that means the 'average' player will find it almost impossible and it will be pure murder for any newbie. That's obviously not the way CCP wants it, so for newbies its very hard, for 'average' players they still lose ships, and the vets lost almost nothing.
Aram Thracius Amarr Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.01 16:53:00 - [75] even I made some 120 mil off lvl 3s, and I'm docked and chatting most of my play time Originally by: Ed Kraka im so awesome, i wish i was me in real life!
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:29:00 - [76] bounties agent quality and the fact that they arent level 4s Trashed sig, Shark was here
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.01.01 21:33:00 - [77] Originally by: Dubious Drewski Yeah, us mission runners can hardly make a buck! C'mon CCP, help us poor folks out! I've been grinding lvl 4s forever and all I've made is billions. wtf ccp? /me hops back into his faction CNR I lost two officer fitted Astartes doing Level 4 missions, so I am in minus. Even if i fitted the right equipment for the right enemy faction.. I guess I suck at missioning Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>

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