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Dragonkat	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:38:00 - [1] Seriously CCP, this is a joke right? I mean missions are already worthless for trying to gain back sec status. You'd have to run hours of 4's and 5's just to make up a few minutes of pvp fighting in low sec, much less a pod kill. The LP store doesn't offer anything worthwhile at all, or it's to much trouble to build up standings to get to missions that actually offer a worthwhile amount of LP Take the 15K for a worm blueprint as one example. you're looking at 35-45 level 3's for just one. And now they've gone and nerfed the money gain to heck and back as well? Seriously, what's the flipping point of even having them in the game if you've made them a total and complete waste of time? I can make more money running 1's and 2's in a dessy and salvage then try to fit out BC's and up for anything above them with thse kinds of gains. Or hell just use the mid range mining barge and make in 6 MINUTES off high sec plag more money then a level 3. And that's if I only sell off the mex! If this is another bonehead move to push people into low sec or 0.0, it's a pretty damn stupid way of doing it.
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:44:00 - [2] Yeah, us mission runners can hardly make a buck! C'mon CCP, help us poor folks out! I've been grinding lvl 4s forever and all I've made is billions. wtf ccp? /me hops back into his faction CNR
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:44:00 - [3] Between salvage, loot, bounties, LP, rewards and such, I've made 200 mil since yesterday from running L4s, and thats including taking time out to screw around with my friends testing ship setups and scanning down some sites. So if you're not making money, then well....you're doing it wrong. Also, the mission rewards were reset with Trinity, the auto-balancing feature will continue to adjust them as time goes on. ☼☼☼ 12 Seconds ☼☼☼
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Dragonkat Seriously CCP, this is a joke right? I mean missions are already worthless for trying to gain back sec status. You'd have to run hours of 4's and 5's just to make up a few minutes of pvp fighting in low sec, much less a pod kill. The LP store doesn't offer anything worthwhile at all, or it's to much trouble to build up standings to get to missions that actually offer a worthwhile amount of LP Take the 15K for a worm blueprint as one example. you're looking at 35-45 level 3's for just one. And now they've gone and nerfed the money gain to heck and back as well? Seriously, what's the flipping point of even having them in the game if you've made them a total and complete waste of time? I can make more money running 1's and 2's in a dessy and salvage then try to fit out BC's and up for anything above them with thse kinds of gains. Or hell just use the mid range mining barge and make in 6 MINUTES off high sec plag more money then a level 3. And that's if I only sell off the mex! If this is another bonehead move to push people into low sec or 0.0, it's a pretty damn stupid way of doing it. Well, lvl 3s should be absolutely no effort, and absolutely no risk, so the hundred whatever thousand you got seems more than reasonable. It was the miner boost that hurt mission farmers a bit, the reprocessed loot from lvl 4s used to be good iskies.
Zinras Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Dragonkat Seriously CCP, this is a joke right? I mean missions are already worthless for trying to gain back sec status. You'd have to run hours of 4's and 5's just to make up a few minutes of pvp fighting in low sec, much less a pod kill. The LP store doesn't offer anything worthwhile at all, or it's to much trouble to build up standings to get to missions that actually offer a worthwhile amount of LP Take the 15K for a worm blueprint as one example. you're looking at 35-45 level 3's for just one. And now they've gone and nerfed the money gain to heck and back as well? Seriously, what's the flipping point of even having them in the game if you've made them a total and complete waste of time? I can make more money running 1's and 2's in a dessy and salvage then try to fit out BC's and up for anything above them with thse kinds of gains. Or hell just use the mid range mining barge and make in 6 MINUTES off high sec plag more money then a level 3. And that's if I only sell off the mex! If this is another bonehead move to push people into low sec or 0.0, it's a pretty damn stupid way of doing it. Get to level 4 missions and watch the money roll in the bank as you AFK tank an entire pocket of enemies in your Raven and only have to press F1-F6 once in a while. Add loot + salvage to the 10 or so mill you get in bounties (using very rounded numbers as it is often a bit more) and you're looking at 100 mill per week doing one mission per day. Yes, whatever will us missionrunners do?
Lord Gendor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:54:00 - [6] Remember, most of the isk in missions isn't from the reward+bonus the agent gives you, its from the bounties and lp, also a good bit from loot+salvage if you have a friend/alt to grab all of it for you, if you don't you will probably make more isk/hour by running more missions instead of wasting time on looting/salvaging.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Dubious Drewski Yeah, us mission runners can hardly make a buck! C'mon CCP, help us poor folks out! I've been grinding lvl 4s forever and all I've made is billions. wtf ccp? /me hops back into his faction CNR a) you fly a drake b) you do lvl 3 or lvl 4 mission running yourself and you fly a drake so how bout a nice cup of stfu? c) many of those that have cnr's have grinded lvl 4 missions for about 6 months for them or sold a gtc and bought them via contract. d) you need a reality check about how much you actually earn doing lvl 4's, empire isn't all it's *****ed up to be and low sec / 0.0 is still made of win.
Igetshotalot THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Dubious Drewski Yeah, us mission runners can hardly make a buck! C'mon CCP, help us poor folks out! I've been grinding lvl 4s forever and all I've made is billions. wtf ccp? /me hops back into his faction CNR lol
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:10:00 - [9] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Dubious Drewski Yeah, us mission runners can hardly make a buck! C'mon CCP, help us poor folks out! I've been grinding lvl 4s forever and all I've made is billions. wtf ccp? /me hops back into his faction CNR a) you fly a drake b) you do lvl 3 or lvl 4 mission running yourself and you fly a drake so how bout a nice cup of stfu? c) many of those that have cnr's have grinded lvl 4 missions for about 6 months for them or sold a gtc and bought them via contract. d) you need a reality check about how much you actually earn doing lvl 4's, empire isn't all it's *****ed up to be and low sec / 0.0 is still made of win. I make 150-200mil/day pretty easily mission running L4 in an abaddon in highsec. Why don't you break that down and tell me how long it'd take me to buy a CNR if I wanted one?
Malthros Zenobia The Cold Wind Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:52:00 - [10] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Dubious Drewski Yeah, us mission runners can hardly make a buck! C'mon CCP, help us poor folks out! I've been grinding lvl 4s forever and all I've made is billions. wtf ccp? /me hops back into his faction CNR a) you fly a drake b) you do lvl 3 or lvl 4 mission running yourself and you fly a drake so how bout a nice cup of stfu? c) many of those that have cnr's have grinded lvl 4 missions for about 6 months for them or sold a gtc and bought them via contract. d) you need a reality check about how much you actually earn doing lvl 4's, empire isn't all it's ***ed up to be and low sec / 0.0 is still made of win. I 'run' level 4s in my Nighthawk, and while the DPS are significantly lower than what I can get from a Raven (thus i make less money per day due to longer missions), I have no problem acutally making money when I need to. I bought a rokh for a friend, set it up for mining (no rigs), and spent about 200mil total in the process. I had made back my ISK within the same week by do missions casually. A char with good skills in a battleship, focusing on plowing through level 4s will make more than their fair share of ISK given the (lack of) danger in highsec. Sure, the mission payout and LP are only a fraction of what they'd be if given by an agent in a 0.0 system, but I don't have to keep an eye on local, or safespot when that gang of unknown pilots comes into local. Highsec is more than fair to mission runners. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:04:00 - [11] You should have been here when L3s were an order of magnitude lower in payout. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:06:00 - [12] I had no problem making 1bil in 2-3 weeks when missionrunning solo in Hi-sec with a Drake inbetween work shifts. the sec gain is low but then there's ways of increasing that - the best being finding a low-sec L4 agent hub and taking out multiple missions at a time and killing 1 bs from each faction every 15 mins.
dark5572 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:10:00 - [13] If you can make more on level 1 and 2 missions and high sec mining then go and do it.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:19:00 - [14] Originally by: dark5572 ...high sec mining... a worthless profession thanks to macrominers
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:37:00 - [15] If you don't salvage then the isk to time ratio of level 3's will suck compared to what you get in level 4's. If you don't salvage in level 4's (and probably 3's as well) you're missing out on no less than 5 million extra isk, and potentially much more. You can also melt down some loot to insure a steady mineral supply for ammo manufacturing.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Zinras Get to level 4 missions and watch the money roll in the bank as you AFK tank an entire pocket of enemies in your Raven and only have to press F1-F6 once in a while. Wouldn't pressing some buttons require you to be at your keyboard? Aside from that I can make a cool 60 mil in a couple of hours. Only time I do L3's is to let some of the younger corpmates have fun while every enemy ships attacks me.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:23:00 - [17] That must be the lowest paying L3. sI think Some of them are almost a million for reward and bonus and the bounties are consistently 500k-800k per 20 minute payout (more for a couple of missions) and this is in an Assault Frigate of the famed terrible DPS. I'll check my wallet. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:24:00 - [18] Bonus room on AE alone nets you a couple mil in just bounties.
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.12.31 07:18:00 - [19] Originally by: 7shining7one7 a) you fly a drake No, I clearly said I fly a CNR to do missions. The Drake is for pvp, hence my sig. Who the hell would make a sig to taunt AI ships? Not me! My sig is referring to YOU! Originally by: 7shining7one7 b) you do lvl 3 or lvl 4 mission running yourself and you fly a ~~drake~~ Raven It's a Raven. It's a big ugly Raven. Originally by: 7shining7one7 c) many of those that have cnr's have grinded lvl 4 missions for about 6 months for them Yup, or 3-4 months if you were as dedicated as I was. Originally by: 7shining7one7 d) you need a reality check about how much you actually earn doing lvl 4's The reality is that I am able to fit my CNR fairly well and I'm able to lose a rigged Drake in pvp now and then. It doesn't get anymore real or definative than that, my friend-with-a-grudge! Now, I'm not saying that the mission-grind isn't long, arduous and boring-as-hell, but if you can bear it, it will make you rich.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.12.31 07:32:00 - [20] What quality level was that l3 agent? If it has a minus in front of the number then you need to get a better agent. I routinely get a couple of mil in rewards and bonus plus a few thousand lp off the l3 q19 agent I use.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.31 08:44:00 - [21] The OP is right. It's impossible to make a living doing missions. CCP PLEASE BOOST MISSION REWARDS YOU'RE RUINING EVE. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2007.12.31 10:06:00 - [22] From my experience, I have been running level four missions and they give me rewards like 3M per mission and takes about three to five hours to complete solo. Loot can be totally useless because they are like ion blaster cannon, large armor repairer or some meta one or two items. I had been salvaging wrecks and collecting loot but after like the tenth missions, I have totally stopped doing so. It isn't really worth the time salvaging and looting because it adds another one to two hours collecting peanuts. Have I been doing something wrong or is it that I have been totally unlucky with loot? I haven't seen any faction mod or meta four item yet. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.31 10:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire From my experience, I have been running level four missions and they give me rewards like 3M per mission and takes about three to five hours to complete solo. Loot can be totally useless because they are like ion blaster cannon, large armor repairer or some meta one or two items. I had been salvaging wrecks and collecting loot but after like the tenth missions, I have totally stopped doing so. It isn't really worth the time salvaging and looting because it adds another one to two hours collecting peanuts. Have I been doing something wrong or is it that I have been totally unlucky with loot? I haven't seen any faction mod or meta four item yet. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the issue is, in fact, that you suck at mission running. I'd love to give you advice, but if it takes you 5 hours to do a mission, and 2 hours looting + salvaging I'm afraid we're not playing the same game at all.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2007.12.31 10:39:00 - [24] Jeeez... new guys these days. When I was running lvl3 on my rail-vexor of shieldtanking doom (no drones either), tops you made from a mission was like 30-50k mission reward and like another 10-20 from bounties. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2007.12.31 10:41:00 - [25] I am a casual player you know and I do get interruptions in-between mission running. But to be fair, I am running them in a Drake and some missions could take up to three to five hours long. Still, whether I take that long to complete or you take thirty minutes to complete, my loot is still rubbish. If you are nice and helpful, could you please tell me why? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Jessica Lorelei Minmatar Unholy Crusader Mining Corp	Posted - 2007.12.31 10:53:00 - [26] I don't think the pay is the real issue with missions, its the sheer tedium that needs to be addressed.
Ralara	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Dragonkat Seriously CCP, this is a joke right? I mean missions are already worthless for trying to gain back sec status. You'd have to run hours of 4's and 5's just to make up a few minutes of pvp fighting in low sec, much less a pod kill. The LP store doesn't offer anything worthwhile at all, or it's to much trouble to build up standings to get to missions that actually offer a worthwhile amount of LP Take the 15K for a worm blueprint as one example. you're looking at 35-45 level 3's for just one. And now they've gone and nerfed the money gain to heck and back as well? Seriously, what's the flipping point of even having them in the game if you've made them a total and complete waste of time? I can make more money running 1's and 2's in a dessy and salvage then try to fit out BC's and up for anything above them with thse kinds of gains. Or hell just use the mid range mining barge and make in 6 MINUTES off high sec plag more money then a level 3. And that's if I only sell off the mex! If this is another bonehead move to push people into low sec or 0.0, it's a pretty damn stupid way of doing it. Is it a new level 3 mission? When newish missions appear, they start off with very tiny bounties and LP and bonus. As time goes on, every time someone completes it, it registers how long it took them. From there, it works out where it "fits" in the difficulty of other missions. Eventually it'll work it's way up to what it should be. Takes a few weeks, nothing terrible. As for sec status gain - try ratting in low sec (since you kill people there anyway, try ratting) it'll happen a lot faster. Risk vs reward, and all that
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:19:00 - [28] 0.0 lvl3's are worth more because LP from 0.0 lvl3's lets you cash in for faction mods which go for megabucks in empire
Mizerik Grettistak	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:26:00 - [29] You can grind your way to L4's in less then a week. You can buy a CNR for 450-500M 1 L4 I usually get around 1M for mission and another 25M before loot/salvage and as others have said you get another 10-20M in that so a conservative average of 30M per mission @ 4 missions a day 120+m per day = 1 week to buy a CNR + 1 1/2 more weeks to fit one out properly. Easy enough and you make enough to lose a chimera and not cry about it ~ http://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Mizerik&id=1958118&page=1&filter=losses#mail
Psych0 Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:33:00 - [30] Originally by: F'nog You should have been here when L3s were an order of magnitude lower in payout. heh i can remember it took almost a week of pretty hardcore mission running to get enough money for a rax :). I still remember a mission that had 2 cruiser rats with a bounty of 65K man that one could be a *****

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