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Considered	Posted - 2008.01.02 03:26:00 - [1] Originally by: Lexandre People in this game seem to have nothing better to do than lure newbies and then pod kill them. First someone invites you to join a fleet, then ask for help and tell you to warp to their location. As soon as you warped you get blasted by a very strong ship. I suppose no good deed goes unpunished, but tricking newbie players and then podkilling them is as low as it gets... Other people in the game seem to have nothing better to do than cry about it on the forums.
Considered	Posted - 2008.01.02 08:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Lexandre I mean COMMON, you cannot possibly be defending or rationalizing such behavior!!! What strikes me is that there are people who do it. And what strikes me even more - there are people who see nothing wrong with it. quote] If you ever come into lowsec I will do some striking. EVE is a PVP game. Live with it. If it bothers you that much, click self-destruct on your pod. Sorry, but you need to realise NOW that EVE will always have members who do that. You were warned with the little pop up that cleary states that you can be attacked when a gang member is at war, yet you choose to hide behind a "I don't know the mechanis of eve" shield. It stated plain and simple you could be attacked and you agreed. What strikes many players in EVE is that there is so many whiners on the forums these days. Do you honestly think anyone cares if you loose a ship? hundreds if not thousands are blowen up daily. What makes yours special?
Considered	Posted - 2008.01.02 10:00:00 - [3] "podkilling them is as low as it gets..." whine... Sorry, if you accept you got killed fair and square, and that no one in eve cares if you get podded repeateadly by some guy whos got tons of isk to waste suicide ganking players that's fine. Welcome to EVE.
Considered	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo I guess it comes down to semantics. For me a scam must also break the rules/laws. There are none against the one the OP experienced. However, there are rules and laws against tricking someone into downloading spyware onto their computer for the purpose of stealing their credit card info. This happens occasionally and represents a true scam in my book. To call what happened to the op a scam is pretty common it just tends to dilute the meaning imo. To the OP. There are plenty of ways for new players to effectively compete against stronger older players or at least to be able to avoid encounters. Your situation wasn't one where a stronger player used his strength to overwelm a weaker opponent. It was a situation where a more knowledgeable player took advantage of a less knowledgeable player for their profit. Happens all the time. As to the "Woe is me. I am just an altruistic sort and this is how my good deed has been repaid.". Altruism is supposed to be it's own reward and it is a worthy one. However any reward worth having doesn't come without risk. This is what you experienced. The best advice you are getting are from the folks saying "Yes, we understand this isn't what you are used to. EVE is different. Moreso then any other game you have likely played knowledge is power and having the mindset to not take any loss personally but as a learning experience is your best and quickest path to success and happiness here." To those saying it hurts the playerbase that EVE is so cutthroat I remain unconvinced. In the 6 months I've played the player base appears to have grown and the wonderful thing about EVE is it tries it's best to not dilute itself to the lowest common denominator of player but to provide a game style and environment quite different then the other MMOs that many of us came from because we were bored senseless. Lexandre: embrace each loss as a learning opportunity (and be thankful you get the nasty knocks early while learning from them is cheap), accept that EVE is in many ways not like other MMOs that you have come from and find your niche in EVE and I believe that you will come to enjoy it immensely. Ard is right. It's sort of like you loosing ú50 to a stranger. 1) The stranger comes up to you in the street, asks to borrow it and writes down bogus details. 2) the stranger puts a virus or spyware into your computer, gets your paypal password and removes ú50 from it. In case 1, you legally agreed to parting with the money, no formal contract was drawn up, and it was down mainly on the marks trust he has in people. In case 2, you would have a good case for going to the police, uploading spyware and viruses to the internet is illegal for starters. So, case 2 would be the equivalent to exploiting game mechanics. Basically, anythings fine in EVE as long as it doesn't exploit the current coding of the game mechanics.
Considered Caldari The Lost Prophets Euro Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.04 13:53:00 - [5] True. Scamming is allowed in EVE which is one of the reasons we don't have people moaning on the forums with the classic "he scammed me out of a billion isk please Gm's make the nasty person go away". It's like if you scammed someone in Real Life. They'd hate you and probably stop speaking to you (if you scam in game alliances might blacklist you) but they've done nothing wrong as you consented to give them the money.
Considered Caldari The Lost Prophets Euro Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.06 06:37:00 - [6] I would have more sympathy for the newbies who get scammed out of there mining barge it took them a month to afford by taking a container from someone else, but the second it happens they start the "I wasn't doing anything wrong," and "I was in highsec but CONCORD didn't show" and "Make highsec secure and have PVP zones" type forum complaints. All of these things have been requested to death since summer 2003. PVP zones won't happen. It would make EVE to WoW-like. Highsec will never be secure. For that to happen, you'd need PVP zones. Who cares if you weren't doing anything wrong. You stole a container from someone else, got tricked and owned. Actually, by the time the finish typing up there complaint, they could have already have earnt some isk back to get a new mining barge.

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