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SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:15:00 - [61] Originally by: Tachuro Otapaku I can see where people think it's cheating - but all it's going to accomplish is the creation of chat channels and bigger NPC corporations. gm nova cleared it up Trashed sig, Shark was here
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:16:00 - [62] Ok, now, I really don't like how it's going. With all due respect, posting in a ramdom thread is not the way to do it. It was not an exploit just about yesterday, and it was pre-petitioned to double-check. Want to change that, CCP ? Great, just don't do it via posting in a random forum thread noone really reads. Post in in news section, set a 48 hours period for people to read it, then deem it an exploit. And some explanations would be more than wellcomed as well. The whole issue seems just about as much of an exploit as many others, that have been confirmed to be exploits not.
Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:17:00 - [63] Originally by: GM Nova This is cheating, plain and simple. CEOs exploiting this loophole will receive a warning from now on. GM Nova Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support and thank you for making this clear :)
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Vadimik Ok, now, I really don't like how it's going. With all due respect, posting in a ramdom thread is not the way to do it. It was not an exploit just about yesterday, and it was pre-petitioned to double-check. Want to change that, CCP ? Great, just don't do it via posting in a random forum thread noone really reads. Post in in news section, set a 48 hours period for people to read it, then deem it an exploit. And some explanations would be more than wellcomed as well. The whole issue seems just about as much of an exploit as many others, that have been confirmed to be exploits not. turn on your corp ticker or post with your main....regardless this was an exploit and should be stomped out...the rules we never intended to give people a quick out... CCP is right to move quickly...
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:22:00 - [65] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: Vadimik Ok, now, I really don't like how it's going. With all due respect, posting in a ramdom thread is not the way to do it. It was not an exploit just about yesterday, and it was pre-petitioned to double-check. Want to change that, CCP ? Great, just don't do it via posting in a random forum thread noone really reads. Post in in news section, set a 48 hours period for people to read it, then deem it an exploit. And some explanations would be more than wellcomed as well. The whole issue seems just about as much of an exploit as many others, that have been confirmed to be exploits not. turn on your corp ticker or post with your main....regardless this was an exploit and should be stomped out...the rules we never intended to give people a quick out... CCP is right to move quickly... Reading comprehension much ? I'm all for fixing broken stuff, just let's make the changes: a) public before they hit b) somewhat explained.
Pennwisedom	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:23:00 - [66] Originally by: Vadimik It was not an exploit just about yesterday, and it was pre-petitioned to double-check. Incase you haven't heard this the first one thousand times, what a Bug Hunter says doesn't mean anything at all, as they don't have any power.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Vadimik It was not an exploit just about yesterday, and it was pre-petitioned to double-check. Never was sweety. Read the original thread. A bug hunter (not a GM) said it was an intended game feature that a war dec follows the alliance and not the corp That is ALL that was confirmed. (And he was right to say that) Good job to iMune if your goal was to publicize this obvious loophole.
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:38:00 - [68] Well it's nice for people to not have a way out but seriously random GM's posting in this thread does not really help. Make an announcement or something. Personally I think that if it's within the mechanic's it's fine. So change the mechanic not warn people for doing something that's within game limits. If the loophole was there it's ccp's fault and they must fix it. Basically if the machine isn't working fix the machine, not add new things too it hoping it will. I mean at what point is it possible to say that joining iMune is not an exploit? if you stay for 1 day or 2 days, etc. Just seems like a bad fix. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Mistrala DeLegra	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:39:00 - [69] Im surprised that a GM could call this action "Cheating"...please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" The good people of eve and empire might as well just stay in there NPC corp from now on as the way im reading this is that its ok for these merc corps to grief noob players in empire....but god forbid the noobs fight back by finding a way to get out of a war dec. Good on you Imune, and Wyliee...if this corp you war decced could'nt fight and split up...would you also call that cheating and whine about it on the forums so quickly???
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:41:00 - [70] Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra Im surprised that a GM could call this action "Cheating"...please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" The good people of eve and empire might as well just stay in there NPC corp from now on as the way im reading this is that its ok for these merc corps to grief noob players in empire....but god forbid the noobs fight back by finding a way to get out of a war dec. Good on you Imune, and Wyliee...if this corp you war decced could'nt fight and split up...would you also call that cheating and whine about it on the forums so quickly??? It's within game mechanics to get war-decced by anyone. If you can't handle it join the npc corp. Get over it. Suicide ganking is just as fine as scamming. Oh I feel so much pity for the noob. . there's absolutely NOTHING they can do, right? I mean t1 frigates are expensive as hell. God my wallet can only afford 1 loss. I'm sure that these merc corps will ACTIVELY hunt these noobs in their lvl 1 missions in high-sec space. I mean t1 frigate loot is worth a lot right? ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Vadimik It was not an exploit just about yesterday, and it was pre-petitioned to double-check. Never was sweety. Read the original thread. A bug hunter (not a GM) said it was an intended game feature that a war dec follows the alliance and not the corp That is ALL that was confirmed. (And he was right to say that) Good job to iMune if your goal was to publicize this obvious loophole. This trick was known for a looong time, and yet was not labeled an exploit up until now. And then again, it does not matter. Even if it was, in fact, confirmed to be legal at some point, CCP has all the rights to deem it an exploit now. What worries me, is the way they do it - in some random thread, without any explanation.
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:47:00 - [72] Originally by: Vadimik Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Vadimik It was not an exploit just about yesterday, and it was pre-petitioned to double-check. Never was sweety. Read the original thread. A bug hunter (not a GM) said it was an intended game feature that a war dec follows the alliance and not the corp That is ALL that was confirmed. (And he was right to say that) Good job to iMune if your goal was to publicize this obvious loophole. This trick was known for a looong time, and yet was not labeled an exploit up until now. And then again, it does not matter. Even if it was, in fact, confirmed to be legal at some point, CCP has all the rights to deem it an exploit now. What worries me, is the way they do it - in some random thread, without any explanation. yeah pretty much. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:48:00 - [73] Edited by: Vadimik on 01/01/2008 23:48:58 Originally by: Praxis1452 Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra Im surprised that a GM could call this action "Cheating"...please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" The good people of eve and empire might as well just stay in there NPC corp from now on as the way im reading this is that its ok for these merc corps to grief noob players in empire....but god forbid the noobs fight back by finding a way to get out of a war dec. Good on you Imune, and Wyliee...if this corp you war decced could'nt fight and split up...would you also call that cheating and whine about it on the forums so quickly??? It's within game mechanics to get war-decced by anyone. If you can't handle it join the npc corp. Get over it. Suicide ganking is just as fine as scamming. Oh I feel so much pity for the noob. . there's absolutely NOTHING they can do, right? I mean t1 frigates are expensive as hell. God my wallet can only afford 1 loss. I'm sure that these merc corps will ACTIVELY hunt these noobs in their lvl 1 missions in high-sec space. I mean t1 frigate loot is worth a lot right? Sarcasm is not helping you, as one Mistrala's points is perfectly valid: it's nowhere obvious it's an exloit, and it's even less obvious why it's an exploit (cause it can be an exploit for various reasons). So some explanations are quite wellcomed.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:51:00 - [74] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 01/01/2008 23:55:28 Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" Does that really need explaining? Edit: Vadimik, it became an exploit, when an alliance's soul purpose was to allow corps to dodge wars. Up until then, it was a feature of alliance warfare, for example we had a corp surrender tonight because they left he alliance we are at war with atm. If you cannot see the difference between a corp surrendering under an alliance war dec, and an alliance created purely to avoid war decs...then you have trouble seeing the forest for the trees
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:53:00 - [75] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" Does that really need explaining? Yes, it does.
Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:54:00 - [76] Originally by: Vadimik This trick was known for a looong time, and yet was not labeled an exploit up until now. And then again, it does not matter. Even if it was, in fact, confirmed to be legal at some point, CCP has all the rights to deem it an exploit now. What worries me, is the way they do it - in some random thread, without any explanation. GM's cant win they dont respond everyone is going come'on wh dont ccp respond.. they do and they get crap for not making some glorify anoucement. in my mind.. imediate respond to some threads is need, then followed by some anouncement of changes later when they decide what to do.
Mistrala DeLegra	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:55:00 - [77] Originally by: Praxis1452 Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra Im surprised that a GM could call this action "Cheating"...please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" The good people of eve and empire might as well just stay in there NPC corp from now on as the way im reading this is that its ok for these merc corps to grief noob players in empire....but god forbid the noobs fight back by finding a way to get out of a war dec. Good on you Imune, and Wyliee...if this corp you war decced could'nt fight and split up...would you also call that cheating and whine about it on the forums so quickly??? It's within game mechanics to get war-decced by anyone. If you can't handle it join the npc corp. Get over it. Suicide ganking is just as fine as scamming. Oh I feel so much pity for the noob. . there's absolutely NOTHING they can do, right? I mean t1 frigates are expensive as hell. God my wallet can only afford 1 loss. I'm sure that these merc corps will ACTIVELY hunt these noobs in their lvl 1 missions in high-sec space. I mean t1 frigate loot is worth a lot right? It's clearly within game mechanics to get out of a war dec, but the fact that this corp managed to get out if it is being called cheating....why is it cheating if they managed to do it?...CCP made the loophole...not the corp. Maybe for the noob corps loosing there t1 frigs is an expense they cant afford, not every player as iskies coming out of there Arrrr.....ears....lol....i just find it brillient that imune got the better of Wyliee who runs around empire war deccing noob corps and then complains about it on the forums, this has to be doing his reputaion as a merc the world of good....lol Noobs are importent in game in my opinion, the more we look after them the better it is for the long term gameplay of eve.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:57:00 - [78] Originally by: Vadimik Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" Does that really need explaining? Yes, it does. Read my post #77 I was obviously giving you way too much credit
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.01 23:59:00 - [79] Originally by: Wyliee Originally by: Vadimik This trick was known for a looong time, and yet was not labeled an exploit up until now. And then again, it does not matter. Even if it was, in fact, confirmed to be legal at some point, CCP has all the rights to deem it an exploit now. What worries me, is the way they do it - in some random thread, without any explanation. GM's cant win they dont respond everyone is going come'on wh dont ccp respond.. they do and they get crap for not making some glorify anoucement. in my mind.. imediate respond to some threads is need, then followed by some anouncement of changes later when they decide what to do. So far it's only a very short and somewhat cofusing GM respond in a thread, without any explanation or anouncement. And that's the problem. If Nova would have written something like "Now we see it as an exploit, more on it later", then it would seem much less random.
Kelron Queldine Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:02:00 - [80] Originally by: Vadimik If Nova would have written something like "Now we see it as an exploit, more on it later", then it would seem much less random. Does it really need explaining why they see it as an exploit, though? It's using the alliance system to end war decs prematurely. --------------------------- Vanilla Crazy Cake!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:02:00 - [81] Originally by: Vadimik If Nova would have written something like "Now we see it as an exploit, more on it later", then it would seem much less random. How much more black and white do you want it It was so obviously a loophole. I bid you good night, and hope one day that you wipe the sleep from your eyes
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Vadimik Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" Does that really need explaining? Yes, it does. Read my post #77 I was obviously giving you way too much credit I want to hear reasons behind it the way CCP sees them. Cause I see various reasons would this can be an exploit.
Noel Edmunds	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:04:00 - [83] Originally by: Taua Roqa I think they said what the hell because their signature was doubled? I feel yet another war dec heading towards RUSE!!!
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:05:00 - [84] I think anyone bailing from a corp to avoid a wardec just to reform a corp is pretty soft, and an indication of broken game mechanics. But cheating? Well,, I can understand "abuse of a broken mechanic", but not cheating, with the irony in that claim being when small corps complain about being wardecced by larger, more powerful corps who are (tounge-in-cheek) "Obviously griefing", they get told to "go to an NPC corp if you can't handle a war" Much irony lies in that some of the same people who would make that last statement are now having their advice followed, and are now claiming "It's cheating". Not saying I condone the whole "disband when you get decced" stuff, I think it's downright cowardly. Just pointing out some complete irony in the situation. Improve Market Competition!
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:21:00 - [85] Originally by: Praxis1452 Oh I feel so much pity for the noob. . there's absolutely NOTHING they can do, right? I mean t1 frigates are expensive as hell. God my wallet can only afford 1 loss. I'm sure that these merc corps will ACTIVELY hunt these noobs in their lvl 1 missions in high-sec space. I mean t1 frigate loot is worth a lot right? Yes they would certain players do find it entertaining to pwn newbies just for kicks. But then again there are many reasons that war decs are issued sometimes its people wanting to rob and loot a wealthy industrial corp sometimes its the result of smacking or other bad behaviour and people look to get even, Should there be a mechanic to protect genuine newbie corps? possibly but War decs should be as interesting as the 0.0 wars and larger and older Empire industrial corps could put the squeeze on competitors or pirates do it to chase targets into high sec. sadly it doesn't seem to work like this. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:38:00 - [86] Originally by: Vadimik Edited by: Vadimik on 01/01/2008 23:48:58 Originally by: Praxis1452 Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra Im surprised that a GM could call this action "Cheating"...please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" The good people of eve and empire might as well just stay in there NPC corp from now on as the way im reading this is that its ok for these merc corps to grief noob players in empire....but god forbid the noobs fight back by finding a way to get out of a war dec. Good on you Imune, and Wyliee...if this corp you war decced could'nt fight and split up...would you also call that cheating and whine about it on the forums so quickly??? It's within game mechanics to get war-decced by anyone. If you can't handle it join the npc corp. Get over it. Suicide ganking is just as fine as scamming. Oh I feel so much pity for the noob. . there's absolutely NOTHING they can do, right? I mean t1 frigates are expensive as hell. God my wallet can only afford 1 loss. I'm sure that these merc corps will ACTIVELY hunt these noobs in their lvl 1 missions in high-sec space. I mean t1 frigate loot is worth a lot right? Sarcasm is not helping you, as one Mistrala's points is perfectly valid: it's nowhere obvious it's an exloit, and it's even less obvious why it's an exploit (cause it can be an exploit for various reasons). So some explanations are quite wellcomed. I disagree that it is an exploit as perhaps some of my other posts ahve hinted at. I think that if it is not an intended game mechanic, which it isn't, then ccp need to change game mechanics instead of leaving the ability for a corp to escape a war-dec ambiguous. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:40:00 - [87] Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra Edited by: Mistrala DeLegra on 01/01/2008 23:57:03 Originally by: Praxis1452 Originally by: Mistrala DeLegra Im surprised that a GM could call this action "Cheating"...please explain why this is cheating, when CCP have been alowing these so called merc corps to war dec any noob corp that they feel fit too for no other good reason than the fact that "They Can" The good people of eve and empire might as well just stay in there NPC corp from now on as the way im reading this is that its ok for these merc corps to grief noob players in empire....but god forbid the noobs fight back by finding a way to get out of a war dec. Good on you Imune, and Wyliee...if this corp you war decced could'nt fight and split up...would you also call that cheating and whine about it on the forums so quickly??? It's within game mechanics to get war-decced by anyone. If you can't handle it join the npc corp. Get over it. Suicide ganking is just as fine as scamming. Oh I feel so much pity for the noob. . there's absolutely NOTHING they can do, right? I mean t1 frigates are expensive as hell. God my wallet can only afford 1 loss. I'm sure that these merc corps will ACTIVELY hunt these noobs in their lvl 1 missions in high-sec space. I mean t1 frigate loot is worth a lot right? It's clearly within game mechanics to get out of a war dec, but the fact that this corp managed to get out if it is being called cheating....why is it cheating if they managed to do it?...CCP made the loophole...not the corp. Maybe for the noob corps loosing there t1 frigs is an expense they cant afford, not every player has iskies coming out of there Arrrr.....ears....lol....i just find it brillient that imune got the better of Wyliee who runs around empire war deccing noob corps and then complains about it on the forums, this has to be doing his reputaion as a merc the world of good....lol Noobs are importent in game in my opinion, the more we look after them the better it is for the long term gameplay of eve. I'm not disagreeing about what is or is not an exploit. I'm disagreeing with your need to protect noobs. Either they are able to handle themselves or they are not. I don't think people should play EVE because it's some game like CS where oh you just respawn and get more money. It's challenge is the point. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
NereSky Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:46:00 - [88] Just change the mechanic where a corp cannot join a Alliance while a war is active.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.02 00:46:00 - [89] Well, there's clarification! <3 Nova for posting -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.01.02 01:48:00 - [90] Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 02/01/2008 01:48:57 Originally by: GM Nova This is cheating, plain and simple. CEOs exploiting this loophole will receive a warning from now on. GM Nova Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support Thanks for spelling this out. :) Hopefully some wardec mechanics changes to support it are on the way. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE

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