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Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.02 06:59:00 - [1] Ok so my biggest problem here is that I know im going to play this game for a long time but im not sure how to build my attributes what bloodlines to pick and etc so I dont cripple in what I like to do. This isnt like guild wars where you can change your skills anytime you like the, I made a gallante with alot of leadership skills because it fits my personality, but I dont think this is a good choice for a brand new player, so im thinking along the lines of exploring and doing missions and hopefully eventually doing pvp and I was hoping to find out which race has alot of stealth ships, one of my other concerns is I hear it takes months to get skills up in this game will this cripple me from experiencing certain things in the game I may want to do? I dont know if there are support ships where I can help others but that might be interesting to being able to explore stealth and support. Anyways I just really need some advice here thanks everyone.
Kelbesque Crystalis Minmatar Eve University	Posted - 2008.01.02 07:14:00 - [2] I found this helpful when coming from another game to EVE: http://hammer-eve.blogspot.com/
Interlock The Extremists	Posted - 2008.01.02 07:18:00 - [3] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=472543 This is the lowdown, but I would just suggest making a char with a low charisma and high perception/intellect. Balance the other two stats the best you can and you won't ever feel like rerolling him if you pick a portrait you like. Again: balanced stats with a more weight on perception and intellect (with low charisma).
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.02 09:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 02/01/2008 09:48:10 Leadership skills are only useful in groups and you can be sure someone else has trained those already, so atm you're best of NOT to choose that path since it slows down your progress a whole lot. You'll be better off to work on the main aspects first and then, at some point, decide you want to sink SP into leadership skills. Attribute wise you're best off to have a balanced setup with a tad lower charisma, try to focus on perc/int/will/mem/char in that order. Gallente has the nicest balance of being able to both PVE as PVP so you can't really go wrong there, but you really should make a Soldier so your gunnery and tanking skills are up to par right from the start. This will enable you to do missions (and even PVP if you wanted to) with little extra SP effort, that means you can then focus on other skills while you're doing missions. Would you choose another route you'd have to train up the gunnery and tanking skills WHILE needing those at the same time for missions. Understand that Gallente has essentially 2 weapon systems; hybrid guns and drones, while drones are very viable as a main weapon system they take a lot of micro management and the drone frigate isn't that good tbh. So I'd focus on turrets for now and start working on drones when you want to jump into cruisers. Besides that drones just take little SP to be good, much less than turrets. On stealth; every race has the same amount of stealth ships, it's just that there are 'racial differences', Gallente has some good coverts and recons so no worries there. If you like doing teamwork and filling the gaps in teams you can go for a covert ops frigate, they take little training but are VERY important in gangs and fleets, but again remember that any training time you do NOT put into damage/tanking/support skills means you essentially cripple yourself for any solo work. Yet covert frigs can be real fun if you're good at it, they just don't have any offensive or defensive capabilities, it's all about stealth and speed. Support ships are a specialisation again, one that puts you firmly into a support role and as with all specialisations and support fuctions I'd be cautious about choosing that path too early, unlike other MMO's there is no holy Trinity tank/damage dealer/healer in EVE, not really.
Nexus Kinnon Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.01.02 11:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 02/01/2008 11:20:39 Go for the standard achura build and then train gallente, you'll love the extra attributes that achura get. I found the goonfleet wiki pretty handy when I started, but obviously I can only get into the public sections. Linkage
Gartel Reiman Project F3	Posted - 2008.01.02 13:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon I made a gallante with alot of leadership skills because it fits my personality Originally by: Nexus Kinnon you'll love the extra attributes that achura get. First off, Achura do not get 'extra attributes' - all combinations of race and bloodline have the same number of total points spread across the attributes (39, I believe). The reason why Achura are favoured is because they have low charisma, which is often considered a dump stat, and because you can balance all the other attributes to come out at 9-9-9-9-4, which is considered the most balanced in general. However, since the OP stated that his style leads towards leadership, the low charisma of the Achura would be very painful, so just about any other choice would be better.
Stela'Artois Los Gordos	Posted - 2008.01.02 13:34:00 - [7] Just to add a bit to some of the great advice given above... Put your mind at ease a bit. One of the great things about EvE is that there isnt really a way to overly gimp out your character. The main damage you can do at creation is insure that a few skills may just take longer to train for than others. The best advice that can be given, and the advice I wish I had taken, was get them as even, and as high as possible (except for charisma).
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:30:00 - [8] Edited by: Xorian lightmoon on 02/01/2008 21:29:52 Thank you everyone this is a great community, just to get this straight I should balance most of my attributes so I can learn at the same rate? Wont I somewhat regret something like that if they seem to be taking to long? Is there a way to increase attributes more later? Also I noticed im on tranquility server is this the only one and is it a good populated server?
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Thank you everyone this is a great community, just to get this straight I should balance most of my attributes so I can learn at the same rate? Wont I somewhat regret something like that if they seem to be taking to long? Is there a way to increase attributes more later? You cannot go wrong with balanced attributes. You can go very wrong with attempts to max/min your attributes. You can increase your attributes, but currently the max increase in +15 from skills and implants with an additional +10% on top of that from the skill learning. Because the amount that you can increase your attributes is limited, your starting attributes will be significant. Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Also I noticed im on tranquility server is this the only one and is it a good populated server? This is the only server of importance. There is another server that catters to players in China. The rest are test servers.
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:01:00 - [10] Well what if I wanted better weapons over other things in the future to pvp or something as such arent I setting myself up in some kind of dissapointment here? Or maybe in the future I wanted trade skills to grow faster I really dont know the growth rate so my apologies and what are implants?
Ozzie Asrail Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:18:00 - [11] Download [url=http://evemon.battleclinic.com]EVEMON[/url] and you can see what affect attributes will have on your training. It really doesn't matter that much as long as your reasonably ballanced. -----
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Well what if I wanted better weapons over other things in the future to pvp or something as such arent I setting myself up in some kind of dissapointment here? Or maybe in the future I wanted trade skills to grow faster I really dont know the growth rate so my apologies and what are implants? The less certain you are about what you want to do in the future, the more important it will be to balance your attributes evenly. If you knew for certain that you would never train trade or leadership skills then it would be wise to minimize your charisma attribute. If there is the possiblity that you might want to train those skills, then having balanced attributes would be an asset. The only effect that attributes have is on training times, so you will not cut yourself off from accessing any other part of the game through your selection of attributes. The only effect is how long it will take to get there. If you don't know for certain what you want to do, then plan to be able to learn everything equally well. That means balancing your attributes so that they are as equal (close to 8 excluding skills and implants) as possible. Implants are items that you plug into your head. Some improve your attributes, others improve your effectiveness. For more information on implant have a look here.
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:52:00 - [13] Thank you friend, just a one last question how fast will I learn these skills if I balance it out? I believe jack of all trades does fit my playstyle, a month or two I can handle but hopefully it wont take a very long time so I dont have to worry about making another character.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.02 23:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Thank you friend, just a one last question how fast will I learn these skills if I balance it out? What skills specificly are you taking about? Learning skills take 1-2 months to train, but you can easily mix in other skills to keep yourselve entertained. Training all of the skills will take decades. It is simply not possible to train everything. I recommend that you download EveMon and figure out a plan for what you would like to do during the first month or so. Just keep rolling your plan forward in whatever direction suits your interests. As your interest change from one area to the next you will naturally become a jack-of-all-trades.
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.02 23:08:00 - [15] Thanks I didnt mean all the skills just in general for what I want mostly, also I found a build I might like 9 and 8 in everything except willpower which is 11 and perception which is 14.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.02 23:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Thanks I didnt mean all the skills just in general for what I want mostly, also I found a build I might like 9 and 8 in everything except willpower which is 11 and perception which is 14. Pick your carear path based on what you want to do now, and go from there. There will always be something more to train. As for comparing attributes, do not include the bonus from your starting skills. Your base attributes will total to 39. If you have properly balanced attributes, your starting skills should boost a couple of your attributes well above the rest. This is normal, and once your train the other learning skills your attributes will be even again.
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.03 00:07:00 - [17] I just realized I can balance for now and once I can get implants then decide what I want to invest more in why didnt I think of that before lol anyways thanks everyone.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2008.01.03 01:44:00 - [18] well balance is good but you can have your charisma low as it is the least used attribute right now. also there is only one server which has 200,000 people on it. (note wow servers have 40,000k each) also there are test servers where everything is 100isk and you test out features not in the game yet! check out the game devopment forum. you'll have to wait a month before you can use it though as your a new player and you have to wait until they do a server mirror :) hope that's helpful! pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.03 02:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Thanks I didnt mean all the skills just in general for what I want mostly, also I found a build I might like 9 and 8 in everything except willpower which is 11 and perception which is 14. is that with the learning skills? when you go to create the character it says percp + 4 int willpower + 2 mem cha the + 4 and + 2 are some of the base learning skills you get to start with. you can train them up on other skills too. i recently made a character thats 9 per 8 wp 7 int 7 mem 8 cha its quite balanced. people will whine that my int/memory is a bit low, to which i will reply i will train a crap ton more gunnery/missiles/spaceship command than i will ever enr/mech. Oh yes and lots of leadership hell maybe i should have gone for 10 per 9 wp, 7 int 6 mem if you want to be a combat pilot primarily you will probably do about 2 mil in enr, and 2 mil in mech (int/memory) 2-3mil in drones (mem/per) .9mil in science gotta love implants (int/mem) 2mil in learning (mostly mem/int the advanced shift around a bit) 10milish in support and then a crap ton more in gunner/missiles/spaceship command. per/wp (tech 2 ship skills are wp/per) I'll probably get to about 10 mil with 2 races tech 2 guns trained. and for spaceship command its 1.2mil sp for every cruiser 5 and 2mil for every bs5. if you want to fly cap ships its a bit different, a little more support heavy. (for dreads not so much, for carriers well lots of drones, and remote rep skills) or if you spec in one race only. (i personaly plan on getting 1 dread and 2 or 3 bs 5 (although at that point i would be racial dread and racial cap guns away from flying another dread)) on the other hand if you want to do science/industry int/mem is all the way. (although you will want enough per/wp for mining barge 5 and industrial 5 for hulk/freighter)
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.03 02:36:00 - [20] I have decided to focus on drones I usually like pet classes so im going to find a gallante guide hopefully on how to do this right, I also want to explore do pve missions maybe eventually get into mining but mostly pvp, and I will most likely want a stealth ship.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.03 02:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon I have decided to focus on drones I usually like pet classes so im going to find a gallante guide hopefully on how to do this right, I also want to explore do pve missions maybe eventually get into mining but mostly pvp, and I will most likely want a stealth ship. Balanced attributes will definitely be to your advantage. Many new people see that guns and ships use Perc and Will, so they focus on that. But what they don't realize is that weapons and ship type are only part of the PvP equation. You need many other skills that use Int and Mem if you want to survive combat. These skills boost your defensive capability, as well as your ability to fit more stuff or go faster, or make your drones more effective. Without these support skills, you're dead meat, even if you have 30mil SPs split between ships and weapons. Plus if you want to do anything at all in the science or industry side you'll need Int and Mem. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:05:00 - [22] Hmmm well someone in game was saying ill get blown up alot in pvp if I go balanced, but im thinking drone types are hybrids anyways like other pet classes in games arent they? I went ahead and reworked some my int is 10 my memory is 9 my perception is 8 my willpower is 10 and the rest is 8 as well, is this good for what I want to do including pvp? I really dont want to wait months and months because my attributes are to low.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:07:00 - [23] If you want to focus on Drones, go for Gallente Special Ops to start. As for balancing attributes go for one of these depending on which bloodline you like the looks of. Jin-Mei -> Saan Go Caste w/ +3Perc +2Int or Gallente -> Miners w/ +3Will +2Int or Intaki -> Artists w/ +3Perc +1Mem +1Will
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Hmmm well someone in game was saying ill get blown up alot in pvp if I go balanced, but im thinking drone types are hybrids anyways like other pet classes in games arent they? I went ahead and reworked some my int is 10 my memory is 9 my perception is 8 my willpower is 10 and the rest is 8 as well, is this good for what I want to do including pvp? I really dont want to wait months and months because my attributes are to low. you want your perception up to at least 10 i guess. this is the atribute for weapons and ships. however about dying based on this... no, no matter what you do you die a lot in PvP. pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:13:00 - [25] Yea I went intaki and artist and I thought memory/int is for drones those will be my main weapons from my understanding.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Hmmm well someone in game was saying ill get blown up alot in pvp if I go balanced, Either they don't understand what you are asking or don't know what they are talking about. Originally by: Xorian lightmoon but im thinking drone types are hybrids anyways like other pet classes in games arent they? Eve doesn't have classes. Get that concept out of your mind ASAP. Everyone can do everything equally well. It is just a question of training time. Originally by: Xorian lightmoon I went ahead and reworked some my int is 10 my memory is 9 my perception is 8 my willpower is 10 and the rest is 8 as well, is this good for what I want to do including pvp? You are still including bonuses from learning skills when balancing your attributes: DON'T! Within a few of days you can have all of your basic learning skills trained to level 4 bringing your effective attributes back in line with your base attributes. Your base attributes will affect your long term learning potential, not your starting learning skills. Originally by: Xorian lightmoon I really dont want to wait months and months because my attributes are to low. Attributes will make a difference of +/- 25% on your training times from the baseline after you have trained your learning skills to 5/4 and dropped in a set of +4 implants. Ultimately it is more important to choose a character that you like the looks of than to get the attributes right. Starting skills will be almost completely irrelavant after 3-6 months. Just pick something you think you will enjoy for the first few months and go with that.
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:22:00 - [27] Ok im very confused this is the first time I really heard that, your telling me somehow all my attributes will balance out anyways? So If I picked all fighting attributes and kept everything else around 6 and I train my slower skills it will balance my attributes somehow? Now I thought many people said the starting att will effect how quickly you learn skills from beggening and until you quit.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Xorian lightmoon Yea I went intaki and artist and I thought memory/int is for drones those will be my main weapons from my understanding. Intaki start with very weak Perception. Perception is secondary for your drone skills and primary for your ship and gunnery skills. You could go +3 Perc and +2 Mem and get faster training time to start off for learning and drones, but I still strongly recommend giving Intaki +3 Perc as the learning skills that you start with will not be relevant in the long term.
Ashen Angel Minmatar Bad Dog Digging Empire Research	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:26:00 - [29] Balanced may seem slow at first to train up some skills, but in the long run you benefit I think from doing so. Sure gunnery and spaceship command uses Per & Will, but many of the skills needed to fit all those toys on the shiny ships require Int & Mem. I went with a more balanced approach than most tell you since I wanted leaderships, social and trade skills (so charisma wound up my lowest stat but only by 1 pt)
Xorian lightmoon	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:27:00 - [30] What do you recommend other then intaki for drones? Hek if you dont mind just give me the layout if I want to start with drones early.

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