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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.02 18:12:00 -
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That's pretty goddamn broken. It's 900 DPS from just drones + siege launchers with 2 BCS, and that's 100% capless so you can easily shove 4 neuts on there and run them off an injector. Or you can add 4x whatever gun you want and do even higher DPS, while running a big tank at the same time because you're not using any cap.
IMHO, a better setup is the same low/mid/dronebay layout as now, 6 high, 4 turret, 2 launchers, 20% bonus to large energy turret damage and 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.03 22:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Kagura Nikon
I never said anythign about tanking double DD! I was sayign Amamr BS cannot fit Tachyons MWD and tankfor 1 DD. Simple.. people are spinning into soemthign completely different. Being able to tank DD is as important as MWD for fleet combat n owaday. In fact DD tak saved me FAR more times than MWD.
You really should think before accusing others of not being creative with fits.
Abaddon:
8x Tachyon Beam Laser II
MWD II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Sensor Booster II (targeting range)
Tracking Computer II (optimal range)
Reactor Control Unit II
2x Heat Sink II
EANM II
2x Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array
Ancillary Current Router I
Ionic Field Projector I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Needs no implants. Survives any DD, even at level 5.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.03 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Xequecal on 03/01/2008 22:50:15
The Abaddon can do it without rigs, you just have to cut heat sinks. Which is exactly what you have to do on, say, the Megathron if you want to DD tank without rigs. You have 11 low/mid slots available. DD tanking a Mega against all 4 DD without rigs requires 4 slots dedicated to that. You need 2 targeting range mods and 3 optimal range mods. Now you have 9. MWD is mod #10, and then you can either fit a Magstab or cap injector. Note that a Mega with a Magstab still does less DPS than an Abaddon without.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.04 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
Originally by: Xequecal
Edited by: Xequecal on 03/01/2008 22:50:15
The Abaddon can do it without rigs, you just have to cut heat sinks. Which is exactly what you have to do on, say, the Megathron if you want to DD tank without rigs. You have 11 low/mid slots available. DD tanking a Mega against all 4 DD without rigs requires 4 slots dedicated to that. You need 2 targeting range mods and 3 optimal range mods. Now you have 9. MWD is mod #10, and then you can either fit a Magstab or cap injector. Note that a Mega with a Magstab still does less DPS than an Abaddon without.
i think the point is that without using rigs, abaddon needs 2 RCU t2s to fit the weapons, the mwd. To fit the DD tank, you need to drop a RCU for the grid increasing rig, something the mega doesnt need to do.
you could say its more a problem with either the easy fittings on 425s, or the high fittings on tachs, more then the ships themselves.
No, you don't.
8x Tachyon II
MWD II
Heavy Injector II
2x Sensor Booster II
3x TE II
EANM II
DCU II
2x RCU II
You'll be deep into structure, but it survives level 5 DDs. If you put in a hull or armor HP implant a level 4 DD won't take you to 25% structure, so you won't risk losing mods.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.04 02:06:00 -
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Lasers are slightly underpowered, but they're not broken. Especially not at the BS level.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
do you really want to be dependent on a cap injector when shooting at a pos/capships/fleet fight?
I hope you like flying Minmatar ships, because with this criteria that's all you can fly. A rail boat is also going to cap out when shooting pos.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2008.01.07 01:50:00 -
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The obsession with range in fleet is to the point where it's not really an Amarr problem. If you require everything to shoot at 200km+.....guess what, Minmatar also sucks. And non-Rokh Caldari sucks even worse due to missiles being bad. You're telling everyone to train Tech 2 large rail guns or don't bother showing up. Then you have the super-elitists who want even more range that decree everyone has to fly a Rokh.
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