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Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Assens Letta i think what asteroid bandit was trying to say is, on the IPO form you can it in form of a template, where there are areas for some informations such as: corp info business plan exit strategy FAQ etc etc, pretty much a general outline of the whole operation and a place for each item in the form (i think HEXX template is the most commonly agreeed upon in MD forum) thanks Good Idea - IPO Center created ! :) http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:10:00 - [32] Really what I am getting at is again we have no details. UFL has created a product, but he has not told us what it does and now we have to play 20 questions to try and figure it out. So here is what we have so far. First there was Nucon, a stock exchange program that sold "trust" by insuring shares. That idea was pretty well debunked. Then it was revised or expanded, or maybe it was a separate program but there was Nubank. Now there is Nuex which UFL has billed as a further revised Nucon but the only revision Ufl has explicitly mentioned is the abandonment of the collateral system. So where does that leave us? I have no idea as to what exactly Nuex does. I know that it no longer insures shares. Is it just a trading house for player owned shares? It it an IPO auction house? Can I trade shares I currently own if the IPO has not been listed on Nuex? What differentiates it from the other stock exchanges, since Ufl has been quite clear from the beginning that his is superior? The underlying issue here is that we are still not getting answers. When I make a post with 5 questions in it, a one line answer to the first question only does not satisfy full disclosure. It also makes it exceedingly hard for the investors to do their due diligence when to get the full picture you have to sort through multiple pages of multiple threads for answers to single questions. What we need right now, for your very next post Ufl, is a complete and thorough report of your plan, its implementation, its future, its strengths, its weaknesses, your hopes for it, a timetable, full disclosure of your team members, and any and all other information pertinent to Nucon, Nubank, Nuex, or any other iteration of the Nu-corp. Otherwise we are back to square one of people assuming that this is a scam from the lack of information being presented that generates all of these uncertainties. And just to be clear so we can stay on track; I do realize that Nucon and Nuex were both part of the same original idea but I have separated them to give distinction between your first posting and your latest. Also the same excuses and arguments that have been given in the past regarding some of the questions I have posted are not good enough. If your team wants to participate with the EvE community they cant do it from the shadows. They have to step forward and take what may come otherwise they have no business in this business. Answering questions that were not asked haven't worked before and isn't going to work now. We need explicit answers to explicit questions. I don't want to come off as being zealous here but your track record so far requires a stern examination of both your ideas and you if it is to be trusted.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 02:16:22 Originally by: Asteroid Bandit Really what I am getting at is again we have no details. UFL has created a product, but he has not told us what it does and now we have to play 20 questions to try and figure it out. So here is what we have so far. First there was Nucon, a stock exchange program that sold "trust" by insuring shares. That idea was pretty well debunked. Then it was revised or expanded, or maybe it was a separate program but there was Nubank. Now there is Nuex which UFL has billed as a further revised Nucon but the only revision Ufl has explicitly mentioned is the abandonment of the collateral system. So where does that leave us? I have no idea as to what exactly Nuex does. I know that it no longer insures shares. Is it just a trading house for player owned shares? It it an IPO auction house? Can I trade shares I currently own if the IPO has not been listed on Nuex? What differentiates it from the other stock exchanges, since Ufl has been quite clear from the beginning that his is superior? The underlying issue here is that we are still not getting answers. When I make a post with 5 questions in it, a one line answer to the first question only does not satisfy full disclosure. It also makes it exceedingly hard for the investors to do their due diligence when to get the full picture you have to sort through multiple pages of multiple threads for answers to single questions. What we need right now, for your very next post Ufl, is a complete and thorough report of your plan, its implementation, its future, its strengths, its weaknesses, your hopes for it, a timetable, full disclosure of your team members, and any and all other information pertinent to Nucon, Nubank, Nuex, or any other iteration of the Nu-corp. Otherwise we are back to square one of people assuming that this is a scam from the lack of information being presented that generates all of these uncertainties. And just to be clear so we can stay on track; I do realize that Nucon and Nuex were both part of the same original idea but I have separated them to give distinction between your first posting and your latest. Also the same excuses and arguments that have been given in the past regarding some of the questions I have posted are not good enough. If your team wants to participate with the EvE community they cant do it from the shadows. They have to step forward and take what may come otherwise they have no business in this business. Answering questions that were not asked haven't worked before and isn't going to work now. We need explicit answers to explicit questions. I don't want to come off as being zealous here but your track record so far requires a stern examination of both your ideas and you if it is to be trusted. Theres no direct involvement in the NUEX anymore by anyone - even I am just a member of it. So it doesnt have goals, timetables, etc - its a tool and a foundation for a community of all sorts of EVE players. Right now you can buy and sell shares by posting live trades that other players can view and see your name to contact you in game. This also works for the other exchanges where other types of players interested in tradeskills and hauling can network. Haulers can post what jobs they can do, players can post what jobs they need haulers to do. It allows direct player to player and business to business networking. There's no collateral, nothing being held or transacted to or from me. The NUEX is a free tool and eve community that will be growing rapidly. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 02:16:22 Theres no direct involvement in the NUEX anymore by anyone - even I am just a member of it. So it doesnt have goals, timetables, etc - its a tool and a foundation for a community of all sorts of EVE players. Right now you can buy and sell shares by posting live trades that other players can view and see your name to contact you in game. This also works for the other exchanges where other types of players interested in tradeskills and hauling can network. Haulers can post what jobs they can do, players can post what jobs they need haulers to do. It allows direct player to player and business to business networking. There's no collateral, nothing being held or transacted to or from me. The NUEX is a free tool and eve community that will be growing rapidly. Quote: NUEX is going to take its entire operation and put it into public hands. We are removing the collateral system and any transaction processing - placing all the trust in players hands. This should turn out interesting as it is the same concept the EVE game designers have used - which has created for interesting and fun situations. The amount if real life time spent running the project during beta was more than exhausting and something that player brokers should be handling on their own. This is exactly why we have these constant issues with your services. The title of this thread is "NUEX - Upgrades and Changes!" and the first line is that Nuex is changing. You last response to me was "Theres no direct involvement in the NUEX anymore by anyone." Your final line is that NUEX will be growing rapidly. Growing toward what? If NUEX is now just a free tool for the community why are there still sign ups? If you are the only person still administering this tool why do you still speak in the plural? You need to tighten you message. The tool you are offering now looks simple and elegant enough that it should be non controversial, but if you don't explicitly state what it is independent of everything that has already happened, in one single post, the skeptic attacks will never stop. I suggest you go back and edit your op and title and in language a 10 year old can understand give a text book definition of what Nuex is, sans hype, market speak, or any other embellishment to promote the service. Hek, if I were you I would dump the whole Nu thing all together. You need to rebuild you name and this tool can be a start, but not if the specter of NewCon is still attached to it.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:54:00 - [35] Quote: There's no collateral, nothing being held or transacted to or from me. The NUEX is a free tool and eve community that will be growing rapidly. I think that's what some people are missing, because your past expeditions have involved some level of interaction on your half. I think I understand why you're doing this, and it's actually a pretty good idea. I'm going to be away from EVE for two weeks. When I get back I'll see what's going on, might even sign up and see what's kicking round. But to the people harping on the "No IPO plan, no development, how will you progress without fees etc", it's because it's no longer an IPO, investment opportunity or any of that. He's offering up basically a community website for free. Note though, I'm just trying to clarify to people what this is, not support it. When I get back and get myself an account, I'm still testing the water of things. Improve Market Competition!
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:14:00 - [36] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I imagine the signing up of an account is just a storage area for the details you wish to provide. Anything you put there is publicly available I imagine, but only you (or an admin) could edit it. And when he says growing, I'm sure he just means the number of accounts which have signed up. While Ufl's execution is pretty good, he's still chucking a marketing spin on almost every sentence which is a little frustrating. I'm sure this is the case as well, but having had to decipher the previous iterations of Nucon you can never be sure. I want Ufl to come out and put everything on the record. No lose ends.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:27:00 - [37] Quote: No lose ends. But what is there to lose if there are loose ends? I can understand people being critical if they had to invest ISK, and I can understand being critical about this being just another phishing attempt (which I'm definately not accusing this of being at the moment), but this is now essentially a free-to-access website which can, according to others, be easily subscribed to with a fake username and email to help protect the identity of your actual EVE account details. I don't know what else there is for Ufl to be transparent about. If anyone can point me to where Chribba had to "lay everything bare" when bringing up eve-files.com, I will stand humbly corrected. If Ufl was to start charging ISK for the service, then people would probably just leave, it wouldn't leave anyone out of pocket one isk unless they had to. I'm not one to try and fight other people's fights, but I just think people have conceptions of Ufl's last attempts clouding their perception of what this actually is, and are crossing purposes by bringing in validation arguments from those previous attempts which are totally unnecessary in this circumstance. Improve Market Competition!
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:27:00 - [38] Edited by: Assens Letta on 04/01/2008 03:28:52 Originally by: Asteroid Bandit Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I imagine the signing up of an account is just a storage area for the details you wish to provide. Anything you put there is publicly available I imagine, but only you (or an admin) could edit it. And when he says growing, I'm sure he just means the number of accounts which have signed up. While Ufl's execution is pretty good, he's still chucking a marketing spin on almost every sentence which is a little frustrating. I'm sure this is the case as well, but having had to decipher the previous iterations of Nucon you can never be sure. I want Ufl to come out and put everything on the record. No lose ends. i dont think everyone should just jump and say "how wonderful! i like it now!" and start using without asking questions, questions are good, but i also think we may give Ufl some lenience for a bit, lets see how does this go, and if we dont like it (or Ufl stops answering questions) then we can do another flame fest. btw, a exchange policy statement and full disclaimer like EGSEX , EBANK and RESX have would be very welcome imho.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:34:00 - [39] Its going good, lots of new accounts - registering almost 200 hits a day already. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:24:00 - [40] After a complete failure to pull off what would have been a weak scam anyway, now he's trying to build credibility by hosting some sort of "free" service, so he can try again later. Not only that, he's resorted to trolling everyone else. Utter laughing stock of this forum. Fail. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan After a complete failure to pull off what would have been a weak scam anyway, now he's trying to build credibility by hosting some sort of "free" service, so he can try again later. Not only that, he's resorted to trolling everyone else. Utter laughing stock of this forum. Fail. You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Ufl You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) You're right. Your quick and stunning rise to greatness on this forums leaves me feeling like there's something lacking my life. ...lulz _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
May Shiko	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Ufl You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) Ufl, like others, a lot of them quiet, we've got an interest in your project. But throwing around libel like this, does two things. 1) It shows a lack of respect to your customer base. A competitor who respects their greatest competition, is usually one who will treat their customers even better. 2) It really does show how, restricted your opinions and evaluations are. Why do I say this? Because even after all the games, all the insults you fling, you have an interesting service. Until you shape up into a respectable business person, there are a lot of people who post and even more who don't post, who will be telling people, to be wary of using your service.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:45:00 - [44] Originally by: May Shiko Originally by: Ufl You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) Ufl, like others, a lot of them quiet, we've got an interest in your project. But throwing around libel like this, does two things. 1) It shows a lack of respect to your customer base. A competitor who respects their greatest competition, is usually one who will treat their customers even better. 2) It really does show how, restricted your opinions and evaluations are. Why do I say this? Because even after all the games, all the insults you fling, you have an interesting service. Until you shape up into a respectable business person, there are a lot of people who post and even more who don't post, who will be telling people, to be wary of using your service. This, pretty much. All his blatant rampant trolling about makes me not interested in any service he might come up with. He's just a bitter sod who can't let things go and move on. The fact that he's trolling in the way he is, is just pathetic, too. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute	Posted - 2008.01.05 11:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Assens Letta Edited by: Assens Letta on 04/01/2008 03:28:52 Originally by: Asteroid Bandit Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I imagine the signing up of an account is just a storage area for the details you wish to provide. Anything you put there is publicly available I imagine, but only you (or an admin) could edit it. And when he says growing, I'm sure he just means the number of accounts which have signed up. While Ufl's execution is pretty good, he's still chucking a marketing spin on almost every sentence which is a little frustrating. I'm sure this is the case as well, but having had to decipher the previous iterations of Nucon you can never be sure. I want Ufl to come out and put everything on the record. No lose ends. i dont think everyone should just jump and say "how wonderful! i like it now!" and start using without asking questions, questions are good, but i also think we may give Ufl some lenience for a bit, lets see how does this go, and if we dont like it (or Ufl stops answering questions) then we can do another flame fest. btw, a exchange policy statement and full disclaimer like EGSEX , EBANK and RESX have would be very welcome imho. i retract what I said, as it seems Ufl recent posts (and trolling) on the anti-EBANK threead only serve to prove the old adage that "leopards dont change their spots", thus i think we may question all his motives at will has his (Ufl) agenda is still the same and only a bit more patiente (altough he jumped again into the anti-EBANK boat a bit too soon) than last time. In all the recent events show that no matter how much sugar coating you put ito a flawed attitude, that idea is never gonna be sweet. do the community a favour and roll over and be quiet.
Jon Sanng Minmatar Conducti	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:08:00 - [46] Ufl is back to his alt posting! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=675708&page=1
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:35:00 - [47] Edited by: Assens Letta on 05/01/2008 19:35:50 seems you have been spamming some recruitment channels, whats the idea ? after the e-bank trolling, and somehow throwing my name on that dish (as other ppl that are not ebank related) whats your idea ? share it with us
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Treelox /me sigh I see that your still up to your old bait and switch. People are asking valid questions and you still either ignore them or im guessing when the heat picks up a bit, answer them with double speak that isnt even related to the question at hand. If you really expect your public bussiness models to be successful you really REALLY need to start answering, honestly and directly the most basic of questions that the public is asking you. Otherwise this newest incarnation of NUcon will follow down the path of all previous incarnations, ie. total failure and public ridicule. He is already going to get public ridicule when he can professionally flame people, that doesn't go well in my seat for a player offering a public service. Do I see people at EBANK flaming people? They'd like to but I don't see them doing such; wonder why? Because it affects their public image.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Jon Sanng Ufl is back to his alt posting! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=675708&page=1 I lol'd. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 20:56:00 - [50] He is gettin burned there so much his dust has turned to glass ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:07:00 - [51] Given his alt's connection to some internet money making "play games while making cash!" scheme, I'd say this is nothing more than an email phishing scam. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:36:00 - [52] I've already signed up and told my corpies to join and subscribe to my corp. Good website, waiting for the Industrial Exchange to be complete. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Given his alt's connection to some internet money making "play games while making cash!" scheme, I'd say this is nothing more than an email phishing scam. Would that in itself be a violation of the EULA if it could be proven?
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I've already signed up and told my corpies to join and subscribe to my corp. Good website, waiting for the Industrial Exchange to be complete. Hope it works for your sake - we will be keeping a note on it. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I've already signed up and told my corpies to join and subscribe to my corp. Good website, waiting for the Industrial Exchange to be complete. You're also the one posting direct links to macro mining programs in General Discussion. Maybe we just found Ulf's main? _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Daeva Vios Ares Arms and Modules LLC	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:10:00 - [56] Given the new info in this thread and the latest EBANK thread, I doubt I will be giving Ufl any more of the attention he craves. Provided no one gets to it first, I think I will be petitioning him for EULA violations.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:13:00 - [57] Considering it's been proven that he owns both the NUEX site and an the online scheme in I337's bio, (was so easy to find that even I could do it... that means this is verifiably by anyone) I'd say NewCon/whatever was not only trying to steal ISK, but also trying to get people's RL email and other information for further RL schemes. Well, this was a fun forum game today. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Daeva Vios Ares Arms and Modules LLC	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:18:00 - [58] How low can you go, Ufl? A disturbing turn of events!
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Daeva Vios How low can you go, Ufl? A disturbing turn of events! Indeed. I think it's time this whole thing and anything connected to it rolled on over and died. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Madelchai Gallente Stimulus	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:10:00 - [60] Great read. Ulf got ****in' schooled by Minerva. Glad to see no one took this scam seriously in the first place. I noticed how Ulf spammed the hell out of that EVE-Bank thread, and now he's nowhere to be seen. Haha... Owned. ------ Revolution. The only solution.

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