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Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 04:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Ufl on 03/01/2008 04:18:35 http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com NUEX is going to take its entire operation and put it into public hands. We are removing the collateral system and any transaction processing - placing all the trust in players hands. This should turn out interesting as it is the same concept the EVE game designers have used - which has created for interesting and fun situations. The amount if real life time spent running the project during beta was more than exhausting and something that player brokers should be handling on their own. NEW ADDITIONS! Though they are still under construction they are nearing completion by mid month; Stock Exchange with Player character names listed for transaction purposes. Newswire was updated and so were the forums, everything is readily available as soon as you Sign Up. Logistics Exchange for Haulers to post how often they are available, how much cargo they can haul, and their cost to be hired. Logistics corporations may be found here offering their entire fleet services, and their flat rate's to haul. Create and receive long or short term contracts to find other players who need your services. Industrial Exchange for producers and researchers to offer their services directly to others at set prices. Here a producer could post the potential amount of items they could produce, the time it would take, and their base costs - as well as mineral lists. Mining corporations may be found here posting how much they can mine, refine, and what they charge to sell it - creating a direct business to business relationship between miners and producers. Take a look at the new site setup http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com Sign up and we will soon be offering moderator positions to those who post on the boards and wish to regulate the trades that take place. The broker service may be offered at a later time, and will still allow players to charge a transaction fee if they act as a third party. Best Regards Ufl Nucon Stock Exchange [OUR VISION]
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.03 04:22:00 - [2] Originally by: Ufl NUEX is going to take its entire operation and put it into public hands. We are removing the collateral system and any transaction processing - placing all the trust in players hands. This should turn out interesting as it is the same concept the EVE game designers have used - which has created for interesting and fun situations. The amount if real life time spent running the project during beta was more than exhausting and something that player brokers should be handling on their own. So does this mean that you will generally be trading the same stocks that are offered on the other exchanges? Or is there some special requirement for stocks to be traded on your site?
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 04:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Ki Tarra Originally by: Ufl NUEX is going to take its entire operation and put it into public hands. We are removing the collateral system and any transaction processing - placing all the trust in players hands. This should turn out interesting as it is the same concept the EVE game designers have used - which has created for interesting and fun situations. The amount if real life time spent running the project during beta was more than exhausting and something that player brokers should be handling on their own. So does this mean that you will generally be trading the same stocks that are offered on the other exchanges? Or is there some special requirement for stocks to be traded on your site? Any and all shares, no requirements. Best Regards Ufl Nucon Stock Exchange [OUR VISION]
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.03 04:47:00 - [4] Ufl, you are a man of extremes. Good luck on this new permutation of your exchange. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Hexxx Ufl, you are a man of extremes. Good luck on this new permutation of your exchange. It works. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Sebastian Draconis	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:09:00 - [6] This is an interesting development I'm liking the logistics/industrial exchange congrats Ufl, you don't fail Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Ufl Originally by: Hexxx Ufl, you are a man of extremes. Good luck on this new permutation of your exchange. It works. It works technically...there's no question of your technical prowess (hard earned from what I understand). The key will be adoption and usage. If your familiar with Metcalf's Law (also called Network Effects), the value of any network (or mechanism which connects people, say, like an Exchange) is exponentially proportional to the number of users connected to that network. This means that the more people utilize your Exchange, the more value that has as a "utility"...which of course would in turn attract even more people. Adoption and usage are key to the overall success of an exchange...if no one uses the exchange, it has no real value to any single user. What you've switched to now; I think it has a better chance of adoption. Time will tell of course, and while I may not agree with you on everything...I am interested to see how this turns out. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Sebastian Draconis congrats Ufl, you don't fail yet However, seriously, like Hexxx said, opening up to trading existing stocks will help your chances for adoption, as that will be the key to your success. I also like the work you are putting into offering a venue for more dealing than just stock trades. The link for "Research Stocks" looks like it could have some huge potential. If you put in the time and effort to add the extra value of a one-stop-shop for researching the investments traded on the exchange with IPO or recent updates copied to your site, it could give you the start of a competive edge over the existing exchanges. It looks like your site is still under constructions, but atleast now your direction looks plausable. I am interested to see how things work out for you. Good luck.
Lady Centrina	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:27:00 - [9] Ok, I signed up but everything I click on it says access denied By the way, its with a throw away alt with a throw away email address, I am not letting you get to much personal info.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Ki Tarra Originally by: Sebastian Draconis congrats Ufl, you don't fail yet However, seriously, like Hexxx said, opening up to trading existing stocks will help your chances for adoption, as that will be the key to your success. I also like the work you are putting into offering a venue for more dealing than just stock trades. The link for "Research Stocks" looks like it could have some huge potential. If you put in the time and effort to add the extra value of a one-stop-shop for researching the investments traded on the exchange with IPO or recent updates copied to your site, it could give you the start of a competive edge over the existing exchanges. It looks like your site is still under constructions, but atleast now your direction looks plausable. I am interested to see how things work out for you. Good luck. Thanks workin hard over here, tendons are killing me. Definately taking suggestions on the Research, what fundementals would you like to see listed about corps? http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.01.03 05:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Lady Centrina By the way, its with a throw away alt with a throw away email address, I am not letting you get to much personal info. This sums up the ongoing difficulty with Ufl and New Con. Each iteration continues with yet another inducement to join but join you must to get any relevance. However as of yet there seems to be little disclosure as to "who", "how", or "why" to this exchange. The "who" question can't simply continually be labeled the ubiquitous "Nucon Team" as it is constantly reported. Without knowing who has access to information, without knowing who is the wizard(s) behind the curtain (and what magic they can do with or without or knowledge), this exchange will be as useless as having a POS in the city of Oz. And that's just the tip of the iceburg. Might I also add, for a person who spouted pages of unbending resolution you sure have changed your tune in yet another attempt make this exchange work for you. Has this "change of heart" created a realization that some transparency must exist or are you simply just trying to gain "buzz factor" to try to kick start this stillborn effort of yours? Reinvention is all fine and dandy... but are you still the same closed mouth alt who is going to show us how dumb or/and nefarious all of us really are or is this a fundamental change that will be of use? Be interesting to see. "Be all you can be" is a motto even idiots and jerks live up to... all to often.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.03 06:17:00 - [12] huh? what? errrr So your veldspar standard crashed and so this is the new incarnation? Well I have had a depressing day of dealing with death dying and dementia, so Ulf I thank you for a well needed chuckle. Good luck, at least this version (is it ver 3.0 or 4.0 now) gets closer to something that might work. Although needing the email address and such, instead of using some ingame method is bound to cause epic loads of fail and mistrust. --
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.03 06:31:00 - [13] Quote: Although needing the email address and such, instead of using some ingame method is bound to cause epic loads of fail and mistrust Mmmh, this is always something that makes me hesitant, and one of the big things I withdrew from the way I ran Dusk Blade at first, it just smacks too much of phishing. While user-accounts are another pet hate of mine for the same reasons, I accept their necessity in some cases (e.g. eve-central) within game-related applications. I'm slightly refreshed by this effort, think I'll just observe for now still. Improve Market Competition!
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.03 07:14:00 - [14] Well this does present interesting information, however I'm not letting my guard down. UFL has proven so many alts and has proven unorthodox methods/concepts (hey I'm running my corp in an unorthodox manner as well). I will keep this under observance, I also agree that UFL is persevering so at least he is keeping the community abreast. Good start UFL, this doesn't mean I have changed my mind about you at all.
Richard Kitan United Space Republic Research	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:03:00 - [15] I really do like some of the ideas you've posted - specifically the logistics exchange, however, I think the reputation you have earned from your previous posts here is going to be tough to overcome. Anyway, best of luck to you. -rk -- Richard Kitan Builder of Stuff
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:31:00 - [16] i think youre getting somewhere, you have the perseverance, you have the technical skills, in the event you are truly legit (and i dont think youre a scammer just a bit on the short temper)i think you can do it in time, the last attempts undermine most of the trust you could have mustered by now, i hope this doesnt discourage you and that you achieve the goals you have set yourself to. as for HUNSI, i have registered myself to see how things come along, hope you dont mind that, as for the info provided.... its what it is, its my mail for EvE use.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 15:53:00 - [17] I placed the email address there to help deter at least a little bit the chances that someone would sign up under false names - either way you always can work around it and just make a bunch of other email addresses.. I will remove the email addresses and actually attempt to remove any blockage so that this site can be fully available to anyone who instantly signs up. Thanks for the criticism it is helping move this along. Its a new year, I feel ... different in the head. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.03 16:32:00 - [18] So how does NUEX work this time? What are the changes aside form dropping the collateral requirement? Are you acting as 3rd party holding shares or isk in escrow? Is there a listing fee? We are still waiting on word of who your team is. Does your exchange now work by investment dividends or are you still trying to incorporate speculation buying and selling? Please draft a complete proposal detailing how your exchange is supposed to work and what makes it better, more secure, easier to use, etc than the existing methods.
Veefor Veldspar Lonetrek Veldspar Equities	Posted - 2008.01.03 17:24:00 - [19] I haven't looked at the new hotness yet, but in fairness, there does seem to be a 'Nucon Team' of sorts. Ufl seems to be the point man, probably because the others are a little bit shy. That, combined with this latest dramatic reversal, seems to indicate that they are somewhere between old enough to question their assumptions and young enough to yet lack some important savvy. This is a game, after all--if we are playing to learn, we are doing it right. Personally, I was setting up to do a satirical offering on the Veldspar standard, but it seems that won't be necessary. It's starting to look like the venture might get interesting beyond its entertainment value. V.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Ufl on 03/01/2008 20:16:54 NEW CONTENT ADDED The logistics exchange is live and active - go ahead and post what you need hauled, or if you are a hauler post how much you can haul and what your flat rate fee is for fuel, jumps, time etc. Good luck on the bidding! More to come: Industrial Exchange - Post jobs you need completed, how much you will pay, etc. or post how much you charge per job, etc. Miner Exchange - Post how much of certain ores you can produce per day/week/month and charge a flat fee, or post how much ore you are looking for and what you are willing to pay per piece. Corporation Recruitment - Post your corporation and what you do to recruit other players from the New Universe All these exchanges will add up to help create one giant network where miners, haulers, producers, researchers, CEO's can all come together. Sign up today! http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Balogh Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Ufl The logistics exchange is live and active When I click on the Logistics exchange link, I get a page without any content. Just thought you'd like to know. ________________ Real-time EVE Stock Exchange, Blog Feature request: Share transfer log
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:38:00 - [22] /me sigh I see that your still up to your old bait and switch. People are asking valid questions and you still either ignore them or im guessing when the heat picks up a bit, answer them with double speak that isnt even related to the question at hand. If you really expect your public bussiness models to be successful you really REALLY need to start answering, honestly and directly the most basic of questions that the public is asking you. Otherwise this newest incarnation of NUcon will follow down the path of all previous incarnations, ie. total failure and public ridicule. --
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Balogh Originally by: Ufl The logistics exchange is live and active When I click on the Logistics exchange link, I get a page without any content. Just thought you'd like to know. No one has posted any logistics requests yet thats why. Go ahead and post one it will show up :) http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Asteroid Bandit So how does NUEX work this time? What are the changes aside form dropping the collateral requirement? Are you acting as 3rd party holding shares or isk in escrow? Is there a listing fee? We are still waiting on word of who your team is. Does your exchange now work by investment dividends or are you still trying to incorporate speculation buying and selling? Please draft a complete proposal detailing how your exchange is supposed to work and what makes it better, more secure, easier to use, etc than the existing methods. Its player run. No fee,s no collateral, nothing. Player to player, business to business. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
YouGotRipped Gallente Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:17:00 - [25] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 03/01/2008 21:18:42 Originally by: Ufl Originally by: Asteroid Bandit So how does NUEX work this time? What are the changes aside form dropping the collateral requirement? Are you acting as 3rd party holding shares or isk in escrow? Is there a listing fee? We are still waiting on word of who your team is. Does your exchange now work by investment dividends or are you still trying to incorporate speculation buying and selling? Please draft a complete proposal detailing how your exchange is supposed to work and what makes it better, more secure, easier to use, etc than the existing methods. Its player run. No fee,s no collateral, nothing. Player to player, business to business. Riiight... he will provide this service for free at least for a while to get custmers... then he'll charge you hahah And this is not exactly the greatest loss to the customers, Ufl is trying to gain the one thing he desperately needs: your trust. Atta boy Ufl, I eagerly await the time when you decide to cash in on people's trust and run your greatest scam.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:42:00 - [26] RECRUITMENT CENTER COMPLETE Sign up to list your corporation, or sign up and list that you are seeking a corporation! Enjoy, a lot more to come! http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:33:00 - [27] crosspost is bad m'kay --
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.03 23:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Ufl Originally by: Asteroid Bandit So how does NUEX work this time? What are the changes aside form dropping the collateral requirement? Are you acting as 3rd party holding shares or isk in escrow? Is there a listing fee? We are still waiting on word of who your team is. Does your exchange now work by investment dividends or are you still trying to incorporate speculation buying and selling? Please draft a complete proposal detailing how your exchange is supposed to work and what makes it better, more secure, easier to use, etc than the existing methods. Its player run. No fee,s no collateral, nothing. Player to player, business to business. So once again, details please. If it is player to player then where does your site factor in? Your listings don't provide space for CEOs to detail out their business plans, a crucial component to creating an IPO. Please take a look at the other IPOs and services and draft a proposal so that we don't have to piece together what you are doing over 13 pages of forums like your last several announcements.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Asteroid Bandit Originally by: Ufl Originally by: Asteroid Bandit So how does NUEX work this time? What are the changes aside form dropping the collateral requirement? Are you acting as 3rd party holding shares or isk in escrow? Is there a listing fee? We are still waiting on word of who your team is. Does your exchange now work by investment dividends or are you still trying to incorporate speculation buying and selling? Please draft a complete proposal detailing how your exchange is supposed to work and what makes it better, more secure, easier to use, etc than the existing methods. Its player run. No fee,s no collateral, nothing. Player to player, business to business. So once again, details please. If it is player to player then where does your site factor in? Your listings don't provide space for CEOs to detail out their business plans, a crucial component to creating an IPO. Please take a look at the other IPOs and services and draft a proposal so that we don't have to piece together what you are doing over 13 pages of forums like your last several announcements. Players post something, it says what they posted and their name next to it so you can contact them in game. IPO Center is still under construction. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:25:00 - [30] i think what asteroid bandit was trying to say is, on the IPO form you can it in form of a template, where there are areas for some informations such as: corp info business plan exit strategy FAQ etc etc, pretty much a general outline of the whole operation and a place for each item in the form (i think HEXX template is the most commonly agreeed upon in MD forum) thanks
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Assens Letta i think what asteroid bandit was trying to say is, on the IPO form you can it in form of a template, where there are areas for some informations such as: corp info business plan exit strategy FAQ etc etc, pretty much a general outline of the whole operation and a place for each item in the form (i think HEXX template is the most commonly agreeed upon in MD forum) thanks Good Idea - IPO Center created ! :) http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:10:00 - [32] Really what I am getting at is again we have no details. UFL has created a product, but he has not told us what it does and now we have to play 20 questions to try and figure it out. So here is what we have so far. First there was Nucon, a stock exchange program that sold "trust" by insuring shares. That idea was pretty well debunked. Then it was revised or expanded, or maybe it was a separate program but there was Nubank. Now there is Nuex which UFL has billed as a further revised Nucon but the only revision Ufl has explicitly mentioned is the abandonment of the collateral system. So where does that leave us? I have no idea as to what exactly Nuex does. I know that it no longer insures shares. Is it just a trading house for player owned shares? It it an IPO auction house? Can I trade shares I currently own if the IPO has not been listed on Nuex? What differentiates it from the other stock exchanges, since Ufl has been quite clear from the beginning that his is superior? The underlying issue here is that we are still not getting answers. When I make a post with 5 questions in it, a one line answer to the first question only does not satisfy full disclosure. It also makes it exceedingly hard for the investors to do their due diligence when to get the full picture you have to sort through multiple pages of multiple threads for answers to single questions. What we need right now, for your very next post Ufl, is a complete and thorough report of your plan, its implementation, its future, its strengths, its weaknesses, your hopes for it, a timetable, full disclosure of your team members, and any and all other information pertinent to Nucon, Nubank, Nuex, or any other iteration of the Nu-corp. Otherwise we are back to square one of people assuming that this is a scam from the lack of information being presented that generates all of these uncertainties. And just to be clear so we can stay on track; I do realize that Nucon and Nuex were both part of the same original idea but I have separated them to give distinction between your first posting and your latest. Also the same excuses and arguments that have been given in the past regarding some of the questions I have posted are not good enough. If your team wants to participate with the EvE community they cant do it from the shadows. They have to step forward and take what may come otherwise they have no business in this business. Answering questions that were not asked haven't worked before and isn't going to work now. We need explicit answers to explicit questions. I don't want to come off as being zealous here but your track record so far requires a stern examination of both your ideas and you if it is to be trusted.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 02:16:22 Originally by: Asteroid Bandit Really what I am getting at is again we have no details. UFL has created a product, but he has not told us what it does and now we have to play 20 questions to try and figure it out. So here is what we have so far. First there was Nucon, a stock exchange program that sold "trust" by insuring shares. That idea was pretty well debunked. Then it was revised or expanded, or maybe it was a separate program but there was Nubank. Now there is Nuex which UFL has billed as a further revised Nucon but the only revision Ufl has explicitly mentioned is the abandonment of the collateral system. So where does that leave us? I have no idea as to what exactly Nuex does. I know that it no longer insures shares. Is it just a trading house for player owned shares? It it an IPO auction house? Can I trade shares I currently own if the IPO has not been listed on Nuex? What differentiates it from the other stock exchanges, since Ufl has been quite clear from the beginning that his is superior? The underlying issue here is that we are still not getting answers. When I make a post with 5 questions in it, a one line answer to the first question only does not satisfy full disclosure. It also makes it exceedingly hard for the investors to do their due diligence when to get the full picture you have to sort through multiple pages of multiple threads for answers to single questions. What we need right now, for your very next post Ufl, is a complete and thorough report of your plan, its implementation, its future, its strengths, its weaknesses, your hopes for it, a timetable, full disclosure of your team members, and any and all other information pertinent to Nucon, Nubank, Nuex, or any other iteration of the Nu-corp. Otherwise we are back to square one of people assuming that this is a scam from the lack of information being presented that generates all of these uncertainties. And just to be clear so we can stay on track; I do realize that Nucon and Nuex were both part of the same original idea but I have separated them to give distinction between your first posting and your latest. Also the same excuses and arguments that have been given in the past regarding some of the questions I have posted are not good enough. If your team wants to participate with the EvE community they cant do it from the shadows. They have to step forward and take what may come otherwise they have no business in this business. Answering questions that were not asked haven't worked before and isn't going to work now. We need explicit answers to explicit questions. I don't want to come off as being zealous here but your track record so far requires a stern examination of both your ideas and you if it is to be trusted. Theres no direct involvement in the NUEX anymore by anyone - even I am just a member of it. So it doesnt have goals, timetables, etc - its a tool and a foundation for a community of all sorts of EVE players. Right now you can buy and sell shares by posting live trades that other players can view and see your name to contact you in game. This also works for the other exchanges where other types of players interested in tradeskills and hauling can network. Haulers can post what jobs they can do, players can post what jobs they need haulers to do. It allows direct player to player and business to business networking. There's no collateral, nothing being held or transacted to or from me. The NUEX is a free tool and eve community that will be growing rapidly. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 04/01/2008 02:16:22 Theres no direct involvement in the NUEX anymore by anyone - even I am just a member of it. So it doesnt have goals, timetables, etc - its a tool and a foundation for a community of all sorts of EVE players. Right now you can buy and sell shares by posting live trades that other players can view and see your name to contact you in game. This also works for the other exchanges where other types of players interested in tradeskills and hauling can network. Haulers can post what jobs they can do, players can post what jobs they need haulers to do. It allows direct player to player and business to business networking. There's no collateral, nothing being held or transacted to or from me. The NUEX is a free tool and eve community that will be growing rapidly. Quote: NUEX is going to take its entire operation and put it into public hands. We are removing the collateral system and any transaction processing - placing all the trust in players hands. This should turn out interesting as it is the same concept the EVE game designers have used - which has created for interesting and fun situations. The amount if real life time spent running the project during beta was more than exhausting and something that player brokers should be handling on their own. This is exactly why we have these constant issues with your services. The title of this thread is "NUEX - Upgrades and Changes!" and the first line is that Nuex is changing. You last response to me was "Theres no direct involvement in the NUEX anymore by anyone." Your final line is that NUEX will be growing rapidly. Growing toward what? If NUEX is now just a free tool for the community why are there still sign ups? If you are the only person still administering this tool why do you still speak in the plural? You need to tighten you message. The tool you are offering now looks simple and elegant enough that it should be non controversial, but if you don't explicitly state what it is independent of everything that has already happened, in one single post, the skeptic attacks will never stop. I suggest you go back and edit your op and title and in language a 10 year old can understand give a text book definition of what Nuex is, sans hype, market speak, or any other embellishment to promote the service. Hek, if I were you I would dump the whole Nu thing all together. You need to rebuild you name and this tool can be a start, but not if the specter of NewCon is still attached to it.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:54:00 - [35] Quote: There's no collateral, nothing being held or transacted to or from me. The NUEX is a free tool and eve community that will be growing rapidly. I think that's what some people are missing, because your past expeditions have involved some level of interaction on your half. I think I understand why you're doing this, and it's actually a pretty good idea. I'm going to be away from EVE for two weeks. When I get back I'll see what's going on, might even sign up and see what's kicking round. But to the people harping on the "No IPO plan, no development, how will you progress without fees etc", it's because it's no longer an IPO, investment opportunity or any of that. He's offering up basically a community website for free. Note though, I'm just trying to clarify to people what this is, not support it. When I get back and get myself an account, I'm still testing the water of things. Improve Market Competition!
Asteroid Bandit NOPHEX PRISIM	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:14:00 - [36] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I imagine the signing up of an account is just a storage area for the details you wish to provide. Anything you put there is publicly available I imagine, but only you (or an admin) could edit it. And when he says growing, I'm sure he just means the number of accounts which have signed up. While Ufl's execution is pretty good, he's still chucking a marketing spin on almost every sentence which is a little frustrating. I'm sure this is the case as well, but having had to decipher the previous iterations of Nucon you can never be sure. I want Ufl to come out and put everything on the record. No lose ends.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:27:00 - [37] Quote: No lose ends. But what is there to lose if there are loose ends? I can understand people being critical if they had to invest ISK, and I can understand being critical about this being just another phishing attempt (which I'm definately not accusing this of being at the moment), but this is now essentially a free-to-access website which can, according to others, be easily subscribed to with a fake username and email to help protect the identity of your actual EVE account details. I don't know what else there is for Ufl to be transparent about. If anyone can point me to where Chribba had to "lay everything bare" when bringing up eve-files.com, I will stand humbly corrected. If Ufl was to start charging ISK for the service, then people would probably just leave, it wouldn't leave anyone out of pocket one isk unless they had to. I'm not one to try and fight other people's fights, but I just think people have conceptions of Ufl's last attempts clouding their perception of what this actually is, and are crossing purposes by bringing in validation arguments from those previous attempts which are totally unnecessary in this circumstance. Improve Market Competition!
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:27:00 - [38] Edited by: Assens Letta on 04/01/2008 03:28:52 Originally by: Asteroid Bandit Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I imagine the signing up of an account is just a storage area for the details you wish to provide. Anything you put there is publicly available I imagine, but only you (or an admin) could edit it. And when he says growing, I'm sure he just means the number of accounts which have signed up. While Ufl's execution is pretty good, he's still chucking a marketing spin on almost every sentence which is a little frustrating. I'm sure this is the case as well, but having had to decipher the previous iterations of Nucon you can never be sure. I want Ufl to come out and put everything on the record. No lose ends. i dont think everyone should just jump and say "how wonderful! i like it now!" and start using without asking questions, questions are good, but i also think we may give Ufl some lenience for a bit, lets see how does this go, and if we dont like it (or Ufl stops answering questions) then we can do another flame fest. btw, a exchange policy statement and full disclaimer like EGSEX , EBANK and RESX have would be very welcome imho.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:34:00 - [39] Its going good, lots of new accounts - registering almost 200 hits a day already. http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:24:00 - [40] After a complete failure to pull off what would have been a weak scam anyway, now he's trying to build credibility by hosting some sort of "free" service, so he can try again later. Not only that, he's resorted to trolling everyone else. Utter laughing stock of this forum. Fail. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan After a complete failure to pull off what would have been a weak scam anyway, now he's trying to build credibility by hosting some sort of "free" service, so he can try again later. Not only that, he's resorted to trolling everyone else. Utter laughing stock of this forum. Fail. You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:27:00 - [42] Originally by: Ufl You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) You're right. Your quick and stunning rise to greatness on this forums leaves me feeling like there's something lacking my life. ...lulz _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
May Shiko	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Ufl You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) Ufl, like others, a lot of them quiet, we've got an interest in your project. But throwing around libel like this, does two things. 1) It shows a lack of respect to your customer base. A competitor who respects their greatest competition, is usually one who will treat their customers even better. 2) It really does show how, restricted your opinions and evaluations are. Why do I say this? Because even after all the games, all the insults you fling, you have an interesting service. Until you shape up into a respectable business person, there are a lot of people who post and even more who don't post, who will be telling people, to be wary of using your service.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:45:00 - [44] Originally by: May Shiko Originally by: Ufl You're just jelous you cant make a website or generate 200 hits a day its okay :) Ufl, like others, a lot of them quiet, we've got an interest in your project. But throwing around libel like this, does two things. 1) It shows a lack of respect to your customer base. A competitor who respects their greatest competition, is usually one who will treat their customers even better. 2) It really does show how, restricted your opinions and evaluations are. Why do I say this? Because even after all the games, all the insults you fling, you have an interesting service. Until you shape up into a respectable business person, there are a lot of people who post and even more who don't post, who will be telling people, to be wary of using your service. This, pretty much. All his blatant rampant trolling about makes me not interested in any service he might come up with. He's just a bitter sod who can't let things go and move on. The fact that he's trolling in the way he is, is just pathetic, too. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute	Posted - 2008.01.05 11:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Assens Letta Edited by: Assens Letta on 04/01/2008 03:28:52 Originally by: Asteroid Bandit Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I imagine the signing up of an account is just a storage area for the details you wish to provide. Anything you put there is publicly available I imagine, but only you (or an admin) could edit it. And when he says growing, I'm sure he just means the number of accounts which have signed up. While Ufl's execution is pretty good, he's still chucking a marketing spin on almost every sentence which is a little frustrating. I'm sure this is the case as well, but having had to decipher the previous iterations of Nucon you can never be sure. I want Ufl to come out and put everything on the record. No lose ends. i dont think everyone should just jump and say "how wonderful! i like it now!" and start using without asking questions, questions are good, but i also think we may give Ufl some lenience for a bit, lets see how does this go, and if we dont like it (or Ufl stops answering questions) then we can do another flame fest. btw, a exchange policy statement and full disclaimer like EGSEX , EBANK and RESX have would be very welcome imho. i retract what I said, as it seems Ufl recent posts (and trolling) on the anti-EBANK threead only serve to prove the old adage that "leopards dont change their spots", thus i think we may question all his motives at will has his (Ufl) agenda is still the same and only a bit more patiente (altough he jumped again into the anti-EBANK boat a bit too soon) than last time. In all the recent events show that no matter how much sugar coating you put ito a flawed attitude, that idea is never gonna be sweet. do the community a favour and roll over and be quiet.
Jon Sanng Minmatar Conducti	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:08:00 - [46] Ufl is back to his alt posting! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=675708&page=1
Assens Letta Hunerian Science Institute	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:35:00 - [47] Edited by: Assens Letta on 05/01/2008 19:35:50 seems you have been spamming some recruitment channels, whats the idea ? after the e-bank trolling, and somehow throwing my name on that dish (as other ppl that are not ebank related) whats your idea ? share it with us
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Treelox /me sigh I see that your still up to your old bait and switch. People are asking valid questions and you still either ignore them or im guessing when the heat picks up a bit, answer them with double speak that isnt even related to the question at hand. If you really expect your public bussiness models to be successful you really REALLY need to start answering, honestly and directly the most basic of questions that the public is asking you. Otherwise this newest incarnation of NUcon will follow down the path of all previous incarnations, ie. total failure and public ridicule. He is already going to get public ridicule when he can professionally flame people, that doesn't go well in my seat for a player offering a public service. Do I see people at EBANK flaming people? They'd like to but I don't see them doing such; wonder why? Because it affects their public image.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 19:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Jon Sanng Ufl is back to his alt posting! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=675708&page=1 I lol'd. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 20:56:00 - [50] He is gettin burned there so much his dust has turned to glass ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:07:00 - [51] Given his alt's connection to some internet money making "play games while making cash!" scheme, I'd say this is nothing more than an email phishing scam. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:36:00 - [52] I've already signed up and told my corpies to join and subscribe to my corp. Good website, waiting for the Industrial Exchange to be complete. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Given his alt's connection to some internet money making "play games while making cash!" scheme, I'd say this is nothing more than an email phishing scam. Would that in itself be a violation of the EULA if it could be proven?
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I've already signed up and told my corpies to join and subscribe to my corp. Good website, waiting for the Industrial Exchange to be complete. Hope it works for your sake - we will be keeping a note on it. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I've already signed up and told my corpies to join and subscribe to my corp. Good website, waiting for the Industrial Exchange to be complete. You're also the one posting direct links to macro mining programs in General Discussion. Maybe we just found Ulf's main? _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Daeva Vios Ares Arms and Modules LLC	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:10:00 - [56] Given the new info in this thread and the latest EBANK thread, I doubt I will be giving Ufl any more of the attention he craves. Provided no one gets to it first, I think I will be petitioning him for EULA violations.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:13:00 - [57] Considering it's been proven that he owns both the NUEX site and an the online scheme in I337's bio, (was so easy to find that even I could do it... that means this is verifiably by anyone) I'd say NewCon/whatever was not only trying to steal ISK, but also trying to get people's RL email and other information for further RL schemes. Well, this was a fun forum game today. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Daeva Vios Ares Arms and Modules LLC	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:18:00 - [58] How low can you go, Ufl? A disturbing turn of events!
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Daeva Vios How low can you go, Ufl? A disturbing turn of events! Indeed. I think it's time this whole thing and anything connected to it rolled on over and died. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Madelchai Gallente Stimulus	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:10:00 - [60] Great read. Ulf got ****in' schooled by Minerva. Glad to see no one took this scam seriously in the first place. I noticed how Ulf spammed the hell out of that EVE-Bank thread, and now he's nowhere to be seen. Haha... Owned. ------ Revolution. The only solution.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:15:00 - [61] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Originally by: Daeva Vios How low can you go, Ufl? A disturbing turn of events! Indeed. I think it's time this whole thing and anything connected to it rolled on over and died. Hexxx must be kicking around here somewhere... ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Auri Hella Anqara Industries Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:28:00 - [62] I've enjoyed myself looking up who Ufl is for a while. Quite a few websites registered with that email, my my
Coconut Joe VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:56:00 - [63] Originally by: Auri Hella I've enjoyed myself looking up who Ufl is for a while. Quite a few websites registered with that email, my my Anything naughty? - Eve IGB Store Template - The complete eve retail solution.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 23:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Ufl Edited by: Ufl on 05/01/2008 23:57:24 Thank you for trolling this post, your EULA violations have been reported. This is proof enough that your begrudgings are forcing you to claim personal attacks, speculation, trolling of threads, and posting of personal information. The New Universe Exchange is a tool for players, and a community for serious players with a lot of additions to come. We are currently listed as an EVE Community Fansite. Thank you for those who are supporting and interested in the concept. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.06 00:02:00 - [65] I lol'd. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.06 00:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I lol'd. So did I, I replied in the General discussion, LaVista please call him Youfail quick, you started it and I don't want to be seen as the starter in general discussion. Also the Newcon thing. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Tatania Apparition	Posted - 2008.01.06 00:30:00 - [67] newuniverseexchange.com - Registrant: DS Ulf = Dark Shakiri? Discuss!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.06 00:36:00 - [68] Originally by: Tatania Apparition newuniverseexchange.com - Registrant: DS Ulf = Dark Shakiri? Discuss! If that's true [insert correct American accent here] daaaamn...[/accent] he got me good ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.06 01:06:00 - [69] he is at it again IMO dont post to his new thread, I think my post should be enough. I would hate for him to garner traffic because we keep his thread at the top of GD. --
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.06 01:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Treelox he is at it again IMO dont post to his new thread, I think my post should be enough. I would hate for him to garner traffic because we keep his thread at the top of GD. Oopsie, I spotted it in GD and flaimed there before spotting this here. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.06 01:15:00 - [71] Edited by: Treelox on 06/01/2008 01:15:35 Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Treelox he is at it again IMO dont post to his new thread, I think my post should be enough. I would hate for him to garner traffic because we keep his thread at the top of GD. Oopsie, I spotted it in GD and flaimed there before spotting this here. no worries, just that for us to seem "sane" and not to be seen "trolling" and or "flaming" ULF at ever turn. Possibly causing ourselves to get in trouble with the mods, it would be wise if we let his own past actions speak for themselves. I subtle warning such as my post that has a list of potentials without actually attacking Ulf will go further IMO, than if we let it turn into a massive frenzied posting orgy that we the MD regulars have turned some of his other recent threads into. ---edit had to ad a word that i skipped the first time through. --
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.06 01:19:00 - [72] lulz, now he's going to sue me for Libel and Slander _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Ufl Caldari Nucon	Posted - 2008.01.06 01:27:00 - [73] Multilingual Support Added! http://www.NewUniverseExchange.com
Daeva Vios Ares Arms and Modules LLC	Posted - 2008.01.06 02:03:00 - [74] I bet getting scammed feels the same no matter what language you get scammed in, though
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.06 02:06:00 - [75] Originally by: Daeva Vios I bet getting scammed feels the same no matter what language you get scammed in, though I would think so. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Kaalixia	Posted - 2008.01.06 03:52:00 - [76] Anyone who starts off with the friggin "libel" rhetoric doesn't belong online in the first place. Yeah, "libel" against your internet persona. Uh huh. And it bothers me that even if I barely know who you are, Ufl, your site is devoid of content, chock full of ISK selling spam ads, and has a glorious total of..8? posts in your entire forum. There is nothing I can see that warrants me to input my email addy and name and all that to create an account and...what the F are you trying to do here? Translate nothing into Arabic? I don't see anything on your site, at all, let alone something worth translating into all these wonderful languages you claim to be able to. I think you may have spent a wee bit too many days away from the real world, I respectfully suggest you go get in touch with reality again.

CCP Mitnal	Posted - 2008.01.06 04:22:00 - [77] Cleaned There will be a lot of users losing their posting priviliges if this forum pvp continues. Mitnal, Community Representative EVE Online CCP Games Email/Netfang

Madelchai Gallente Stimulus	Posted - 2008.01.06 06:37:00 - [78] Instead of "cleaning" the thread of the fact that Ufl is I337 and a bunch of other alts with who also owns a "get rich quick on the internet scam," and who does nothing for this community but attempt to troll Eve-Bank continuously, how about getting rid of the links to pages that are nothing more than full of Google ISK selling ads... such as newuniverseexchange.com? ------ Revolution. The only solution.
Reeze Calban	Posted - 2008.01.06 09:18:00 - [79] Well I've got my new sig now.... from here Originally by: ufl Holy trolly molly.... this is just sad. I work too hard for this kind of harassment... Sheesh. Originally by: ufl Holy trolly molly.... this is just sad. I work too hard for this kind of harassment... Sheesh.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.01.06 09:28:00 - [80] Got back from holidays a coupla hours ago and have been catcing up on all these threads and the others made by Ufl. I must say I have had a good laugh and hope the entertainment continues.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.06 09:57:00 - [81] /owned!!!
Tatania Apparition	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:20:00 - [82] Edited by: Tatania Apparition on 06/01/2008 19:20:15 Nothing more than an attempt to get people's email addresses and get exposure to his Google ads to make him money.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:51:00 - [83] "community representative".... way to go then represent the community and their desire to get rid of this constant scam spam - putting the gist back into logistics
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 05:39:00 - [84] Originally by: Roemy Schneider "community representative".... way to go then represent the community and their desire to get rid of this constant scam spam ... or at least have a working email address. The mail in his sig gives an exchange error in icelandic, which seems to say that theres no such email address This signature is brought to you by EBankÖ, free space for moderators to brag.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 12:42:00 - [85] so why is Ufl a scam again?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.07 13:03:00 - [86] Read back about his previous ventures such as Nucon. That, and his sites are nothing more than something a 12 year old could put together in 10 minutes that don't hold anything real other than being chock full of Google ads to make him RL money whenever someone navigates to his page. Then there's his "get rich quick on the internet!" page that looks exactly like the NUEX one, just with even more useless crap and Google ads. Let's not forget his alt-spamfest thread about EBank. So very many reasons. Bottom line is he's in this for his own RL monentary gain while trying to pass it off as "for the good of the community" now that he failed to be able to get people to entrust him with ISK and goods and whatnot from his NUEX scam. He's just your run of the mill "click here!"er, just not very bright. We're having none of it here. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.

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