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Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:44:00 - [1] Not going to add a whine disclaimer, becuase it may be one; either way i am not particuarly bothered. As it stands today for me solopvp is a dying art; since i started playing this game the most invigorating aspect (for me) has been solopvp, particuarly piracy. This appreciation is borne out of the fact that, as a solo - pilot you are allways outnumbered, always on the run and getting a kill no matter how small is still the ultimate rush - such is the tradeoff between continuous dangerous circumstances and successful solopiracy. Now, any ship to one degree or another can be fixed to solo, just whack on a scram and mwd or some other fitting variation and your good to go; however, this fact is exactly the problem - as i see it there is possibly one 'solo-ship' that i would regard as solid/good - the Vagabond. Granted, other ships can be just as good in any given situation, but the way i see it is that the Vagabond is the only dedicated, consistent and effective one. I digress though, the only reason i am writing this post is in reply to the upcoming speed nerf (s)and, if they do hurt the Vagabond sufficiantly where will this leave us soloers? Many of you will argue that EvE was meant to be a multiplayer game and as such solopvp should not even exist; however i say screw that, ill play how i damn want to and i know there are people out there who are pained at the lengths that they nw have to go through to solo. I do not mind navigating endless blobs just to get a bc kill, i do not mind running from lots of huginns/rapiers, i do not mind losing a 250mill ship just because i am out numbered; but what i do mind is CCP ruining this aspect of the game for me just because they have this incessent need to 'balance', the Vagabond has always been fast but there are plenty of counters - hell, get rid of it if you want to, just give me a ship that i can rely to solo effectivly in and don't completly destroy the profession with continous nerfing, i am sure there are people ou there who still practise it. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:51:00 - [2] Originally by: Elles D ...I can't pirate unless I'm flying a vagabond, boo hoo.... I'm sorry, couldn't resist. However, the idea of someone claiming that the Vagabond is the only ship which works for solo piracy is just LOL. I mean, it is if the idea of piracy is to have the best K/D ratio. At any rate, I don't see the Vagabond being nerfed, and if the speedmods in general do get nerfed (which would be a stupid move) it'll still be bloody fast since that's what it's intended to be. The whinage in ships&modules isn't the hard truth, you know. Rifters!
Karentaki Gallente federation navy taskforce	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:52:00 - [3] /signed Gang piracy is fun, but nothing beats the rush of taking on a larger force of better equipped opponents and still getting a kill or two, then watching as that expensive ship you were in explodes and desperately trying to warp off in your pod before they scram you. There are still some good solo-PvP ships out there, such as the thorax, the incursus, and the rifter, but nerfing is not the way to go. How about you boost some other ships rather than nerf 'overpowered' ones. ======
Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Elles D ...I can't pirate unless I'm flying a vagabond, boo hoo.... I'm sorry, couldn't resist. However, the idea of someone claiming that the Vagabond is the only ship which works for solo piracy is just LOL. I mean, it is if the idea of piracy is to have the best K/D ratio. At any rate, I don't see the Vagabond being nerfed, and if the speedmods in general do get nerfed (which would be a stupid move) it'll still be bloody fast since that's what it's intended to be. The whinage in ships&modules isn't the hard truth, you know. If you reread my post you will note that i said any ship can be fixed for solo, it is just the vaga that does it reasonably well - if you flew it enough you would understand that as good as it is it is extremely risky to fly; i am just worried that it might be nerfed, if you look at all CCP has done to various ships in the last couple of months i think that concern is justified. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:01:00 - [5] I don't consider the Vagabond to be OP in any way, and many don't. Don't take the whinage in ships & modules too seriously - I'm preety sure CCP won't go around runing ships designed to be bloody fast in the first place. Rifters!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:03:00 - [6] That potential...and it is POTENTIAL...nerf was aimed squarely at interdictors. With no formal announcement why worry about it? I realized after being worried about a potential cloak nerf (and those threads are constant as well) that CCP ARE looking at the whole game-not at the small percentage of players who whine shrilly and constantly . And every time a thread like this pops up-its just more rumor-mongering with zero basis in fact. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Cpt Branko I don't consider the Vagabond to be OP in any way, and many don't. Don't take the whinage in ships & modules too seriously - I'm preety sure CCP won't go around runing ships designed to be bloody fast in the first place. I didn't used to take it seriously at all m8, it's just as of late a lot of what is being whined about is being nerfed; aside from that i would like to see a little love going solopvpers way Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:05:00 - [8] Originally by: RuleoftheBone That potential...and it is POTENTIAL...nerf was aimed squarely at interdictors. With no formal announcement why worry about it? I realized after being worried about a potential cloak nerf (and those threads are constant as well) that CCP ARE looking at the whole game-not at the small percentage of players who whine shrilly and constantly . And every time a thread like this pops up-its just more rumor-mongering with zero basis in fact. I'm not trying to rumour monger, i disagree with what you say though - as it stands people who do whine seem to get their own way, as sad as that is. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
xenoin Racketeers	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:22:00 - [9] Edited by: xenoin on 03/01/2008 12:22:40 Poasting in an Elles D thread although i have nothing of use to say
Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:25:00 - [10] Originally by: xenoin Edited by: xenoin on 03/01/2008 12:22:40 Poasting in an Elles D thread although i have nothing of use to say
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:38:00 - [11] Solo piracy has been nerfed several times already , a speed nerf wouldn't be all that significant. HP buff , rigs , warp to zero , ECM/nos/damp nerfs and scripts , all these changes made solo pirating harder. Stab nerf can be included as well , seeing that mission runners / ratters can afford to fit stabs (and still do) while pirates need all their scan res to tackle their target in time. It just takes more willpower , intelligence and skills to kick ass as a solo pirate. Solo piracy will never completely die , you will just need to find stupider victims - or play your best cards when dealing with the average victim. Think of it as an increased challenge. As long as I can kill noob BC/BS in a T1 frigate , the game is worth playing. For the rest , there's still heavy duty T2 hardware.
Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Stakhanov Solo piracy has been nerfed several times already , a speed nerf wouldn't be all that significant. HP buff , rigs , warp to zero , ECM/nos/damp nerfs and scripts , all these changes made solo pirating harder. Stab nerf can be included as well , seeing that mission runners / ratters can afford to fit stabs (and still do) while pirates need all their scan res to tackle their target in time. It just takes more willpower , intelligence and skills to kick ass as a solo pirate. Solo piracy will never completely die , you will just need to find stupider victims - or play your best cards when dealing with the average victim. Think of it as an increased challenge. As long as I can kill noob BC/BS in a T1 frigate , the game is worth playing. For the rest , there's still heavy duty T2 hardware. I am aware it will never fully die, it just gets to me that it is constantly getting kicked in the balls lol.
Bob Stuart Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.01.03 13:16:00 - [13] This is probably off-topic, but: Originally by: Elles D Many of you will argue that EvE was meant to be a multiplayer game and as such solopvp should not even exist; however i say screw that, ill play how i damn want to and i know there are people out there who are pained at the lengths that they now have to go through to solo. I don't understand this argument, why do some people think multiplayer has to mean teamplaying? A multiplayer game means that other entities within the game are controlled by people. It doesn't mean you have to co-operate with any of them. If the game was intended that you absolutely had to cooperate, then there would be such things as combat ships couldn't loot anything, or carry anything other than ammo+charges in the hold, you'd need a cargo ship to loot things (Insert blah about cargo handling tractor beams). Co-operating is fun and you can do more, but soloplaying shouldn't mean you can do nothing.
flashfresh BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2008.01.03 13:20:00 - [14] Edited by: flashfresh on 03/01/2008 13:20:51 Originally by: Stakhanov .....Solo piracy will never completely die , you will just need to find stupider victims - or play your best cards when dealing with the average victim...... So true. I seem to find more and more pilots in space in ships that they don't know how to fit and / or how to use properly when being attacked by a T1 frigate. Piracy was never a career per se. It's a way of playing. So long as there are dumb pilots out there, then there's isk to be made and solo piracy can continue. ôMe, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you have to watch out for.'ö http://i-pirate.blogspot.com
Tank CEO Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.01.03 13:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Elles D ...I can't pirate unless I'm flying a vagabond, boo hoo.... I'm sorry, couldn't resist. However, the idea of someone claiming that the Vagabond is the only ship which works for solo piracy is just LOL. I mean, it is if the idea of piracy is to have the best K/D ratio. At any rate, I don't see the Vagabond being nerfed, and if the speedmods in general do get nerfed (which would be a stupid move) it'll still be bloody fast since that's what it's intended to be. The whinage in ships&modules isn't the hard truth, you know. To answer your question about having the best K/D ratio, it will be YES. In order to make profit off piracy, you must not die at all or very little. ------------- Jita is mine.
Tank CEO Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:00:00 - [16] This is my favorite post regarding solo piracy. Saved me the time of typing up one. I do, however, beleive in having a wingman when doing piracy solo. I personally don't like the idea of requiring another person in my gang to enjoy my game, I guess thats why I just sit in jita and suicide targets randomly which is due mostly because im still pretty inactive and I don't care to really run a corporation and keep people 'entertained'. ------------- Jita is mine.
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:10:00 - [17] I have to disagree with a few things in the OP. The Vaga is by no means the ultimate and only effective solo-pi ship, most HACs/Recons (and I'm guessing HICs now, but I have 0 experience in them), can be very effective solo. IMO the reason we see so many ppl flying Vagas is because they can almost always get away when things don't go their way and ppl generally don't like to loose ships. It is not because the ship is the best at anything other than fleeing!
Ghost Nightmare Sons of Damnation	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:20:00 - [18] i personally like the ishtar, but i thought they were only nerfing inderdictors?
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.01.03 15:34:00 - [19] You are wrong about the vagabond. Traffic goes through gates, and belts are either empty, have newbies, or have people who cloak and/or quit. So any ship that can't web is going to make a bad solo ship. It's a bit tricky to kill stuff alone as minmatar when you have an inferior tank and when you have to control range but one of the races is always in optimal and the other loves when you get in web range.
Wizard Without Reason	Posted - 2008.01.03 16:04:00 - [20] I solo in a geddon and atack any ship i come accross. People need to realise practicaly ANY ship in eve can be used solo, just so many people dont have the b*****ks to do so and they opt for a ship such as vagabond so they can run away easier. Its not a dieing art as such its just that when you do it you invariably die to a blob at some point............who cares, its not that hard to make isk in eve last couple of years so a loss hurts less. So many people beleive they can only roam or solo if they have a quick ship, eve has many modules and many other ships to choose from where dare i say it.............skill and a little courage are required to fly.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.03 16:21:00 - [21] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/01/2008 16:22:26 Originally by: Tank CEO To answer your question about having the best K/D ratio, it will be YES. In order to make profit off piracy, you must not die at all or very little. Dying is not a problem if you fly cheap. I'll rather take a ship which will die in one out of five-six times but replaces itself after two kills over a ship that dies rarely but requires a whole ton of kills to replace itself. There's basically two approaches to cost-efficency. Rifters!
Philipius Maximus DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:28:00 - [22] Edited by: Philipius Maximus on 03/01/2008 18:33:16 Solo piracy, IMO, has steadily decreased. I roamed a solid 100 jumps over the course of a few hours yesterday and found either stabbed mallers and thoraxes ratting, gank squads of command ships, baiting cruiser blobs, or straight-up pussies. I eventually got a Megathron, but I lost an expensive Sacrilege to a blob of Anti-pies. It's becoming increasingly tedious to find a good fight or even a solo target. As far as nerfs and rumors, I wouldn't get too hyped up until or read some sort of official statement. Phil Edit: But on the subject of the Vagabond being the only viable pirating vessel: I strongly disagree. Every race has ships the are kick ass pirate boats. FFS, even Amarr have some decent ones. Vagabond is a junk ship IMO.
Elles D Caldari Endure Eternal Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:42:00 - [23] Originally by: PhantomVyper I have to disagree with a few things in the OP. The Vaga is by no means the ultimate and only effective solo-pi ship, most HACs/Recons (and I'm guessing HICs now, but I have 0 experience in them), can be very effective solo. IMO the reason we see so many ppl flying Vagas is because they can almost always get away when things don't go their way and ppl generally don't like to loose ships. It is not because the ship is the best at anything other than fleeing! That's my point though, to solo effectively you need to get good at running away; i do not think that the Vaga is the only effective solo capable ship (on the contrary, i can fly most ships in the game and have tried many of them solo - some of them work very well), but the fact is its the best suited at running - which is what %80 of soloing is.
VB Sarge The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:42:00 - [24] I'm starting to see things as double edged swords, and a lot of them coincide with this topic. More people in game, mean more potential targets. More people who whine about something being overpowered and force changes, mean more people who don't know how to fit their ship and are thus easier targets. GTC sales mean more people who are 3 weeks old flying a battleship. (analogy) While the Vaga excells at picking a target, like is mentioned, and even the OP suggested, there are many ships that are viable solo pvp boats. As far as Interdictors getting hit with a speed nerf, they did at Trinity release, and I haven't noticed anything specifically targetting them out again, but I have seen mention of a global speed change, and very rarely does something worded like that not mean nerf. Adaption will follow, but catastrophe is definately possible. Jag would have to be my solo pvp ship of choice, although the near requirement of having a prober in your gang to find targets of quality is kind of rough, but belt noobs are still available, and calling out people for 1 vs 1's is where you'll find your quality match ups. www.the-bastards.com
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:18:00 - [25] i was going to put an answer here then i remembered this is the eve-o forums and whats the ******* point? remix:never fades 07 (2) - gall002
Kyra Felann Gallente Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:34:00 - [26] What is with this trend of randomly combining two words into one nonexistentword? "solopvp" is not a word.
Lucky Lynn	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Kyra Felann What is with this trend of randomly combining two words into one nonexistentword? "solopvp" is not a word. Nope it's "STYLE", you either have it or you don't. You either are it or you aren't. You either understand it or you don't.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:00:00 - [28] Would a Crow make a good solo ship? Its fast and can choose its fights and can make a mess of frigates or a badly flown cruiser. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:28:00 - [29] Nerfing vagas wouldn't kill solo pvp. What IS killing solo pvp and what has been killing it for a long time though is stabs. If I fly solo 50% of what I catch stabs away from me, so I'm forced to either give up 50% of my targets (bare in mind 50% of my targets can be no decent kill, or even fight for that matter, in an entire night of piracy cuz there's ** all in the belts)or I have to go around in a blob. And where's the solo piracy in that? No wonder you can't find fair fights, you gotta pack 5 points to keep a cruiser scrambled! And then they whine about how lowsec is all about ganking? I can see where that's coming from to be honest, because it is all about ganking. And there's a very good reason for that, stabs. No stabs, no point in having to wait until you have 10+ command ships to go out and have some fun. And there is no fun in melting a BC with 10 command ships either. Please nerf stabs into complete uselessness for anything other then travelling. Or give warp disruptor's 2 points. Or both. Because it's stabs and NOT speed nerfs (** you minmatar) that is killing solo pvp. And yes I am gonna train for those damn dictor HAC's. later. brb, derailing. Yarr
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:29:00 - [30] Well, if the Vagabond is the only ship that is good for solo piracy, shouldn't it be nerfed?

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