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Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:18:00 - [1] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 04/01/2008 01:19:07 I think the 100% cap reduction CCP gave during the Minmatar Fix was far too much. No other race can fire turrets with the knowledge that 100% of their cap be dedicated to tank. This means Minmatars have the best PvP tanks ingame. I think that the 100% cap reduction should be undone and insted, a 10% per level cap reduction bonus be applied to Minmatar Ships. Minmater alreay have the highist alpha, highest DPS on armour and the best sustained tanks & can sustain all guns, unlike other races and this will bring them into balance. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Xequecal	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:20:00 - [2] It would be fine on underpowered ships like the Zealot or Apocalypse, something like an Abso or Armageddon would be OP to **** with 100% cap reduction though.
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:33:00 - [3] problemis that minmatar have the lowest overall cap and with out split slot layouts we have average tanks on most ships at best also missiles dont take any cap either
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 04/01/2008 02:00:54 Originally by: Empire marketslave problemis that minmatar have the lowest overall cap and with out split slot layouts we have average tanks on most ships at best also missiles dont take any cap either No, add lasers to an amarr ship, then let the amarr ship fire its lasers and use repper. At the same time let a comparable minmatar ship fire its guns and use its repper. AND THEN COMPARE THE CAP. ya rly. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:26:00 - [5] Either you are a stupid kid trying your hardest to look like a troll, or you are really just mentally ill. Originally by: zeeZ Exus The time WOW and EVE combine will be the day we get planetary interaction. World of Warcraft shards become planets and we shall get modules for planetary bombardment.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:26:00 - [6] Projectile turrets do the least dps unbonused,they use ammo and their bonus is no cap use...I think thats fair. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 02:34:00 - [7] Originally by: goodby4u Projectile turrets do the least dps unbonused,they use ammo and their bonus is no cap use...I think thats fair. Yeah it is disturbing that you think its fair. Id give my left arm just to permanently switch bonus+weapons with minmatar/gallente that claim what you claim. Youd be on the forums whining about how crap your bonus is, how its not a real bonus and how your lasers are acting like cookie cutters on eanm armor tanks. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:03:00 - [8] Okay I figured out you are just trying too hard to troll ^_^ http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=674638&page=1#8 Originally by: zeeZ Exus The time WOW and EVE combine will be the day we get planetary interaction. World of Warcraft shards become planets and we shall get modules for planetary bombardment.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yeah it is disturbing that you think its fair. Id give my left arm just to permanently switch bonus+weapons with minmatar/gallente that claim what you claim. Youd be on the forums whining about how crap your bonus is, how its not a real bonus and how your lasers are acting like cookie cutters on eanm armor tanks. Stop crying. There are MANY other tanks besides eanm tanks in the game. Just because you have trouble with a specific kind of tank doesn't mean you need to cry about it. If you like minmatar so much go train them for petes sake. Then you will probably whine when you can't break a drakes tank with explo damage.... Boost The Eagle!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:14:00 - [10] Originally by: KD.Fluffy Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yeah it is disturbing that you think its fair. Id give my left arm just to permanently switch bonus+weapons with minmatar/gallente that claim what you claim. Youd be on the forums whining about how crap your bonus is, how its not a real bonus and how your lasers are acting like cookie cutters on eanm armor tanks. Stop crying. There are MANY other tanks besides eanm tanks in the game. Just because you have trouble with a specific kind of tank doesn't mean you need to cry about it. If you like minmatar so much go train them for petes sake. Then you will probably whine when you can't break a drakes tank with explo damage.... Train minmatar instead? What idiot makes a game where 1 races weapons suck. Then people pick the race with the sucky weapon and are told "meh you picked the wrong race moron, respec." Sounds stupid to me. How about instead make all 4 races work? Drake tank? Uhm minmatar can do all damage types. Oh noes a drake, what a big threat. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:21:00 - [11] As an Amarr laser specialist, I'm thoroughly insulted by how stupid these threads make us look collectively.
Bager Gray Gallente COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:23:00 - [12] Jonny when are you going to stop trolling? Just thought i would ask since i see you doing it constantly. Do you have nothing better to do?
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:43:00 - [13] Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 04/01/2008 03:45:11 Quote: Train minmatar instead? What idiot makes a game where 1 races weapons suck. Then people pick the race with the sucky weapon and are told "meh you picked the wrong race moron, respec." Sounds stupid to me. How about instead make all 4 races work? Drake tank? Uhm minmatar can do all damage types. Oh noes a drake, what a big threat. Can I have your stuff? P.S. If your really convinced that amarr have the worst weapon system train another race. I like amarr the way they are. I would kill for a high sp geddon pilot. That ship is to be feared. You just need to stop adapting and train for what you like. Don't expect the game to change for your pansy @$$ cause it wont. Boost The Eagle!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:47:00 - [14] Originally by: KD.Fluffy Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 04/01/2008 03:45:11 Quote: Train minmatar instead? What idiot makes a game where 1 races weapons suck. Then people pick the race with the sucky weapon and are told "meh you picked the wrong race moron, respec." Sounds stupid to me. How about instead make all 4 races work? Drake tank? Uhm minmatar can do all damage types. Oh noes a drake, what a big threat. Can I have your stuff? P.S. If your really convinced that amarr have the worst weapon system train another race. I like amarr the way they are. I would kill for a high sp geddon pilot. That ship is to be feared. You just need to stop adapting and train for what you like. Don't expect the game to change for your pansy @$$ cause it wont. Do you fly an omen? Do you fly a prophecy? Do you fly an apoc? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:52:00 - [15] Quote: Do you fly an omen? Do you fly a prophecy? Do you fly an apoc? Once again, if you don't like it those ships, and you like minmatar so much, train for minmatar. Amarr have some GREAT ships in their line up, no one can deny that. Stop whining and train what you like. Boost The Eagle!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:53:00 - [16] Originally by: KD.Fluffy Quote: Do you fly an omen? Do you fly a prophecy? Do you fly an apoc? Once again, if you don't like it those ships, and you like minmatar so much, train for minmatar. Amarr have some GREAT ships in their line up, no one can deny that. Stop whining and train what you like. Dude the issue isnt that we have a few working ships. The issue is more that the race design is broken and our working ships are just duct taped into balance. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2008.01.04 04:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: KD.Fluffy Quote: Do you fly an omen? Do you fly a prophecy? Do you fly an apoc? Once again, if you don't like it those ships, and you like minmatar so much, train for minmatar. Amarr have some GREAT ships in their line up, no one can deny that. Stop whining and train what you like. Dude the issue isnt that we have a few working ships. The issue is more that the race design is broken and our working ships are just duct taped into balance. I'd say it's the other way around. Most ships work fine, and there are a few that are horribly broken.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.04 04:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Do you fly an omen? Do you fly a prophecy? Do you fly an apoc? Do you fly a Moa? Do you fly a Ferox? Its not just Amarr who have gimped ships in their line up. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Princess Xenia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.04 04:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Do you fly an omen? Do you fly a prophecy? Do you fly an apoc? Do you fly a Moa? Do you fly a Ferox? Its not just Amarr who have gimped ships in their line up. omen + prophecy+ apo = 3 ships Moa + ferox = 2 ships 3 Amarr WORSE than caldari... Hope the above was simple enough...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Empire marketslave problemis that minmatar have the lowest overall cap and with out split slot layouts we have average tanks on most ships at best also missiles dont take any cap either i thought their cap was on par with caldari? what about abaddon and malestrom, they have the same pg, but artys use less pg than beams oh and the abaddon armor tanks, large reps use lots of pg, where as the mael shield tanks and uses lots less pg.
Bager Gray Gallente COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Empire marketslave problemis that minmatar have the lowest overall cap and with out split slot layouts we have average tanks on most ships at best also missiles dont take any cap either i thought their cap was on par with caldari? what about abaddon and malestrom, they have the same pg, but artys use less pg than beams oh and the abaddon armor tanks, large reps use lots of pg, where as the mael shield tanks and uses lots less pg. Noone can explain ccp's logic,or lack of logic, for amar ship setup. So i say why fight over it. Just use the good ones,harbinger, geddon, abaddon, sac, absolution, and damnation.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Bager Gray Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Empire marketslave problemis that minmatar have the lowest overall cap and with out split slot layouts we have average tanks on most ships at best also missiles dont take any cap either i thought their cap was on par with caldari? what about abaddon and malestrom, they have the same pg, but artys use less pg than beams oh and the abaddon armor tanks, large reps use lots of pg, where as the mael shield tanks and uses lots less pg. Noone can explain ccp's logic,or lack of logic, for amar ship setup. So i say why fight over it. Just use the good ones,harbinger, geddon, abaddon, sac, absolution, and damnation. Thats what we are doing. Still, ccp ought to fix the race at some point. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Ess Erbe Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:09:00 - [23] And to be honest, Moa and Ferox put together are not even half as troubled as the Omen is.
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:15:00 - [24] Edited by: Dors Venabily on 04/01/2008 05:15:24 Originally by: KD.Fluffy Quote: Do you fly an omen? Do you fly a prophecy? Do you fly an apoc? Once again, if you don't like it those ships, and you like minmatar so much, train for minmatar. Amarr have some GREAT ships in their line up, no one can deny that. Stop whining and train what you like. QFT well the part with amarr hving some great ships and ppl just dodnt see it
Bager Gray Gallente COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:15:00 - [25] Ferox just needs to have one of it bonuses put on hybrid dmg and it would be fine. It was the introduction of the tier 2 BC's that but a bullet in feroxes head. The same can be said for the proph, and cyclone.
Ash'el Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:23:00 - [26] Minmatar are fine the way they are. No need to keep nerfing everything into oblivion. Amarr just need their lasers to chew threw less cap and then change the borked laser cap bonus into something worthwhile.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Ash'el Minmatar are fine the way they are. No need to keep nerfing everything into oblivion. Amarr just need their lasers to chew threw less cap and then change the borked laser cap bonus into something worthwhile. Boost amarr and fix lasers? Nonsense, better to just duct tape omen and company of suckage and then nerf all other races instead. Or how has ccp even begun to even TRY to fix or TRY to discuss the amarr problem? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Bager Gray Ferox just needs to have one of it bonuses put on hybrid dmg and it would be fine. It was the introduction of the tier 2 BC's that but a bullet in feroxes head. The same can be said for the proph, and cyclone. yea pretty much, hell ferox is still a good ship, but the drake is just good enough its always worth the extra 10mil. the other problem with amarr is all their ships have one role, pewpew with lasers, (okay and a drone crusier, and 3 tech 2 ships that use missiles). so they have one decent ship in each class and the rest are so so. the battleships are interesting, all make good pulse boats, but none have the grid or cap to fit tachyons without fitting mods/rigs and cap mods/rigs. oh and amarr's cap advantage isnt much of an advantage, rokh and maelstrom get 6000 cap, the abaddon gets 6375, all have the same recharge of 1250. if i remember with the other ships its rather similar
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.04 05:40:00 - [29] Edited by: goodby4u on 04/01/2008 05:41:48 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: goodby4u Projectile turrets do the least dps unbonused,they use ammo and their bonus is no cap use...I think thats fair. Yeah it is disturbing that you think its fair. Id give my left arm just to permanently switch bonus+weapons with minmatar/gallente that claim what you claim. Youd be on the forums whining about how crap your bonus is, how its not a real bonus and how your lasers are acting like cookie cutters on eanm armor tanks. Right,ok since i pretty much only use shortrange weapons i'll leave it in this realm for now...autocannons do(almost across the board)20% less damage then pulse lasers,50% less then blasters...So what you get is a tradeoff,20% less damage and a shorter optimal for better tracking(to a lesser degree now)and no cap use. Tbh if i had a decision i would choose pulse lasers,because not only do they tradeoff with those facts but they also have the added ability of switching ranges semi instantly(i know it glitches with some turrets)and infinite ammo....The only thing i would ever complain about is the annoying 1 bonus on most of our ships. Oh and on a side note,i actually fly amarr and have flown minmatar before...Grass is always greener tbh. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.04 06:12:00 - [30] Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 04/01/2008 05:41:48 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: goodby4u Projectile turrets do the least dps unbonused,they use ammo and their bonus is no cap use...I think thats fair. Yeah it is disturbing that you think its fair. Id give my left arm just to permanently switch bonus+weapons with minmatar/gallente that claim what you claim. Youd be on the forums whining about how crap your bonus is, how its not a real bonus and how your lasers are acting like cookie cutters on eanm armor tanks. Right,ok since i pretty much only use shortrange weapons i'll leave it in this realm for now...autocannons do(almost across the board)20% less damage then pulse lasers,50% less then blasters...So what you get is a tradeoff,20% less damage and a shorter optimal for better tracking(to a lesser degree now)and no cap use. Tbh if i had a decision i would choose pulse lasers,because not only do they tradeoff with those facts but they also have the added ability of switching ranges semi instantly(i know it glitches with some turrets)and infinite ammo....The only thing i would ever complain about is the annoying 1 bonus on most of our ships. Oh and on a side note,i actually fly amarr and have flown minmatar before...Grass is always greener tbh. You also missed that Id also get damage/rof bonuses and falloff bonuses instead of the crappy amarr bonus. Yeah id trade it. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice

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