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FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.05 04:41:00 - [31] Oh - and ignore people saying Jita is the win. I started my trading in Essence region - and it hasnt done me any harm. I'd suggest you look at the Villore area for selling named modules: OMS next door is a pirate haven (not as bad now as it used to be) - and all their victims love to buy new ships/modules in Villore. Go for cruiser-sized best named modules and they shift like hot cakes in Villore. I started off with region-wdie buy order for Essence, selling them off in Villore. If I ever bult up a surplus I dumped them in Ours for a mere 50-100% markup rather than the 200%+ I was getting in Villore. You won't make a fortune doing it, but I made my first billion within am onth of starting - and the market actually looks more healthy now. Jita can be a higher perecentage - but against that you have to deal with it being unavailable for significant periods of time. For turning stock into cash Jita is, however, unbeatable.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.05 07:21:00 - [32] The return has been increased to 2.5%.
Shuan Jedai Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.05 07:52:00 - [33] Originally by: FastLearner What's so stupidly high about it? I think the OP was offering 5% per week when that was posted. He changed it to 1.75% and that was when you posted. Now it's up to 2.5%. Shrug.
Jaeger Orlofsson VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.05 13:04:00 - [34] Isk sent, could you pls confirm the rate?
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.05 14:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Jaeger Orlofsson Isk sent, could you pls confirm the rate? 2.5% per week
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 14:32:00 - [36] Edited by: LaVista Vista on 05/01/2008 14:32:18 What's so stupidly high about it? I just go by that fact that all high-return investments(Wylker, Riethe) have been scams. Also. This dude offered 5%/Week at first. Thats very high. Originally by: FastLearner maybe at some stage in their IPO they'll produce a half-decent balance sheet or profit/loss accounts - something yo usingularly failed to do (before you liquidated and chose to not refund some shares - keeping the withheld ISK for yourself rather than distributing it to shareholders). I didnt even try to do any balance sheets. And i didnt withheld any ISK. The dude in question who i thought might have been banned, came back after a while, due to military duty or something. And he sure did get his isk back. Theres a few shares which havent been picked up yet. I have handeled a few share buybacks even AFTER the end date was reached. And if anybody do approach me with shares, ill happily take them back. This signature is brought to you by EBankÖ, free space for moderators to brag.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.05 14:33:00 - [37] 2.5% per week comes to 10% per month... what could go wrong with that? Thats better than the typical 7% everybody gives out. The only thing that I don't like is that there is no collateral set aside. However, I'm willing to take a risk and put a small amount in. No collateral means less iskies to be given due to higher risk. REmember folks, only put out what you can afford to lose, putting out more than that is your own stupidity and higher risk to you. I see I didn't get in within 6hrs to get a 3% bonus :( But not many have invested either.
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.05 14:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas I should not have listened to the advice of a person who branded me as a scam (LaVista Vista). My initial post didnt brand you as a scammer. I just said that it sounded fishy, that its so high, and from a brand new player. This signature is brought to you by EBankÖ, free space for moderators to brag.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 04:15:00 - [39] week 1 has begun. weeeeeeee!!!!
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.07 04:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Trilori The only thing that I don't like is that there is no collateral set aside. And you better get used to it, most IPO's/Bonds do not have collateral. The newer people to MD better not expect it, just because a few tiny IPO's have had it lately. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Gedren Malfoy	Posted - 2008.01.07 05:14:00 - [41] Count me in for 20M now ... if this works out like it sounds, I'll be investing more.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 05:14:00 - [42] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas I should not have listened to the advice of a person who branded me as a scam (LaVista Vista). My initial post didnt brand you as a scammer. I just said that it sounded fishy, that its so high, and from a brand new player. mm....maybe that was a bit hostile. When I meant to say that I should have pondered your suggestions more.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 05:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Trilori The only thing that I don't like is that there is no collateral set aside. And you better get used to it, most IPO's/Bonds do not have collateral. The newer people to MD better not expect it, just because a few tiny IPO's have had it lately. One of the goals of this venture is to build trust. I am willing to take it slow to make it happen. I provide no audit and no securities. I suggest you invest 10-20m, which is nothing to most of you. Of course this is only if you are interested. Also I see no reason for a collateral. If i had anything worth any money I would sell it and use the money to invest. The only asset that can be used as a collateral while generating income is BPO's anyway. The investment is continuing. Send isk if you want me to spin it for you.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.07 06:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Kyrial Alt hi i would like to vounch for kyrial. he's an absolutely awesome guy, totally trustworthy and he will make you all rich. LOVE YOU KYRIAL!!! I hope you understand what vouching means and the responsibilities of doing so? Are you prepared to pay out 100% of this should it go south? Vouching and err whats the other word Ricdic said... I can't remember but has to do with characterization have two different distinct responsibilities and consequences. I think you may want to rethink such.
Kyrial Alt	Posted - 2008.01.07 06:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Kyrial Alt hi i would like to vounch for kyrial. he's an absolutely awesome guy, totally trustworthy and he will make you all rich. LOVE YOU KYRIAL!!! I hope you understand what vouching means and the responsibilities of doing so? Are you prepared to pay out 100% of this should it go south? Vouching and err whats the other word Ricdic said... I can't remember but has to do with characterization have two different distinct responsibilities and consequences. I think you may want to rethink such. there is also this word called reading. now what is my name again?? oh right. now it all makes sense
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.07 07:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Kyrial Alt Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Kyrial Alt hi i would like to vounch for kyrial. he's an absolutely awesome guy, totally trustworthy and he will make you all rich. LOVE YOU KYRIAL!!! I hope you understand what vouching means and the responsibilities of doing so? Are you prepared to pay out 100% of this should it go south? Vouching and err whats the other word Ricdic said... I can't remember but has to do with characterization have two different distinct responsibilities and consequences. I think you may want to rethink such. there is also this word called reading. now what is my name again?? oh right. now it all makes sense Be gentle on the poor boy, he has this issue where his foot approachs his mouth rather frequently. I am sure he will learn sooner or later, at least one hopes. --- Dear mod, yes it was worth it :) --
Kyrial Alt	Posted - 2008.01.07 07:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Kyrial Alt Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Kyrial Alt hi i would like to vounch for kyrial. he's an absolutely awesome guy, totally trustworthy and he will make you all rich. LOVE YOU KYRIAL!!! I hope you understand what vouching means and the responsibilities of doing so? Are you prepared to pay out 100% of this should it go south? Vouching and err whats the other word Ricdic said... I can't remember but has to do with characterization have two different distinct responsibilities and consequences. I think you may want to rethink such. there is also this word called reading. now what is my name again?? oh right. now it all makes sense Be gentle on the poor boy, he has this issue where his foot approachs his mouth rather frequently. I am sure he will learn sooner or later, at least one hopes. --- Dear mod, yes it was worth it :) I do not see my mouth approach my foot. do you?
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.07 07:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Kyrial Alt I do not see my mouth approach my foot. do you? I wasnt refering to you, sir nor your main, but to the other person intertwined in the above quote pyramid --
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.07 07:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Kyrial Alt I do not see my mouth approach my foot. do you? I wasnt refering to you, sir nor your main, but to the other person intertwined in the above quote pyramid Ahh yes, the ensuing insult wars to continue forum pvp. Ya know what, you're still on my block list for the same reason (like you care). I wished the ingame block list worked on the forum transparently. So, continue your way of insulting people you'll earn reputation that way fast.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.07 07:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Kyrial Alt I do not see my mouth approach my foot. do you? I wasnt refering to you, sir nor your main, but to the other person intertwined in the above quote pyramid Ahh yes, the ensuing insult wars to continue forum pvp. Ya know what, you're still on my block list for the same reason (like you care). I wished the ingame block list worked on the forum transparently. So, continue your way of insulting people you'll earn reputation that way fast. It wouldnt be so easy to "insult" you if you would read before you posted. Just like in the above example a few post up, where you questioned the acknowledge alt if he understood what was meant by vouching for his own main. The normal process in these things is; 1. Read 2. Comprehend 3. THINK 4. Respond As to my reputation, I think you will find that if you do an informal poll of those people you seem to respect and admire, my reputation is rather intact. I do thank you for your concern though, but I am honestly very content with my reputation as it stands. --
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.07 08:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Kyrial Alt I do not see my mouth approach my foot. do you? I wasnt refering to you, sir nor your main, but to the other person intertwined in the above quote pyramid Ahh yes, the ensuing insult wars to continue forum pvp. Ya know what, you're still on my block list for the same reason (like you care). I wished the ingame block list worked on the forum transparently. So, continue your way of insulting people you'll earn reputation that way fast. It wouldnt be so easy to "insult" you if you would read before you posted. Just like in the above example a few post up, where you questioned the acknowledge alt if he understood what was meant by vouching for his own main. The normal process in these things is; 1. Read 2. Comprehend 3. THINK 4. Respond As to my reputation, I think you will find that if you do an informal poll of those people you seem to respect and admire, my reputation is rather intact. I do thank you for your concern though, but I am honestly very content with my reputation as it stands. I do read, there's no label that says "I am his alt!!!" give me a break. How do you know he is an alt? You don't know that unless the character is on the same account and an API was given to you? wtf is wrong with everybody? They should only be allowed to post with their mains ONLY! I'm not going to assume someone is an alt until its fairly obvious. I ain't touching this investment, I realize that some will be unsecured thats fine I have no real objection to it. Somehow this IPO just doesn't sit right (I'm not saying its a scam, I'm just saying something doesn't seem "fitting").
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2008.01.07 08:16:00 - [52] Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 05/01/2008 15:01:03 I just go by that fact that all high-return investments(Wylker, Riethe) have been scams. Also. This dude offered 5%/Week at first. Thats very high. Not really, I returned around 35% per week and that was not a scam. Fact is, it's EASY to double your money every month. Even working with multiple billions. It bugs me as an investor that so many people see somthing above 10%/month and say "It must be a scam! No one is stupid enough to really offer that kind of return!" It's funny that everyone takes ISK so seriously around here. Sure, it's taken me some time to earn but really it's meaningless play money. It's not like I'm going to do anything with it anyway other than earn more ISK. Having said that, there are some other details that put me off this IPO so I'm afraid I won't be investing. Good luck though. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.07 08:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Trilori I do read, there's no label that says "I am his alt!!!" give me a break. How do you know he is an alt? You don't know that unless the character is on the same account and an API was given to you? wtf is wrong with everybody? They should only be allowed to post with their mains ONLY! I'm not going to assume someone is an alt until its fairly obvious. Ok, at this point I am really thinking you're trying to be funny. You cannot possibly be serious here, right? Since the person you quoted had both the OP's name and ALT in his name you really must be joking now. But then you say: Originally by: Trilori I ain't touching this investment, I realize that some will be unsecured thats fine I have no real objection to it. Somehow this IPO just doesn't sit right (I'm not saying its a scam, I'm just saying something doesn't seem "fitting"). This seems like a serious statement. So it makes me believe your entire post was serious... as there was no delineation between the hopefully satirical section and the non-satirical section. I am just really not sure what to make of your posts. Are you trying to be funny or are you trying to be serious. Because if you're trying to be funny I can assure you that you've failed. If you're trying to be serious then... well... I don't even know what to say. I'd just love to know which you were aiming for... it would help a lot when trying to judge your future posts. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.07 08:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Ambo Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 05/01/2008 15:01:03 I just go by that fact that all high-return investments(Wylker, Riethe) have been scams. Also. This dude offered 5%/Week at first. Thats very high. Not really, I returned around 35% per week and that was not a scam. Fact is, it's EASY to double your money every month. Even working with multiple billions. It bugs me as an investor that so many people see somthing above 10%/month and say "It must be a scam! No one is stupid enough to really offer that kind of return!" It's funny that everyone takes ISK so seriously around here. Sure, it's taken me some time to earn but really it's meaningless play money. It's not like I'm going to do anything with it anyway other than earn more ISK. Having said that, there are some other details that put me off this IPO so I'm afraid I won't be investing. Good luck though. You do hold the honor of being the highest paying IPO in the history of these forums. No one has returned anywhere near your level of profit from such a tiny investment. The next closest probably returned 1/4 as much as you. But the only reason for anyone to return as much as you did is to prove you can. People here are happy to get a mere 5% these days it seems, definitely 7-8%. Thus paying more than that is just bad business sense if you ask me. You have to be getting something else out of it to pay more. If bettering your reputation is worth the extra isk you pay out then that is a choice you can make. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.07 08:36:00 - [55] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Trilori I do read, there's no label that says "I am his alt!!!" give me a break. How do you know he is an alt? You don't know that unless the character is on the same account and an API was given to you? wtf is wrong with everybody? They should only be allowed to post with their mains ONLY! I'm not going to assume someone is an alt until its fairly obvious. Ok, at this point I am really thinking you're trying to be funny. You cannot possibly be serious here, right? Since the person you quoted had both the OP's name and ALT in his name you really must be joking now. But then you say: Originally by: Trilori I ain't touching this investment, I realize that some will be unsecured thats fine I have no real objection to it. Somehow this IPO just doesn't sit right (I'm not saying its a scam, I'm just saying something doesn't seem "fitting"). This seems like a serious statement. So it makes me believe your entire post was serious... as there was no delineation between the hopefully satirical section and the non-satirical section. I am just really not sure what to make of your posts. Are you trying to be funny or are you trying to be serious. Because if you're trying to be funny I can assure you that you've failed. If you're trying to be serious then... well... I don't even know what to say. I'd just love to know which you were aiming for... it would help a lot when trying to judge your future posts. Shad, the first quote you quoted me on was meant to be funny, maybe stupid also. the 2nd one you quoted was serious, so thats that. so Treelox (If I am getting this correct here) has the OP's name and the ALT's name when I quoted him? I'm not sure I exactly understand, obviously I missed something here.
Kyrial Tidolfas	Posted - 2008.01.07 09:34:00 - [56] after the dust settled, noone here seems interested in my investment scheme. oh and if anyone had a questions or suggestions please post them.
Wieting Foyu Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.01.07 09:57:00 - [57] Edited by: Wieting Foyu on 07/01/2008 10:01:02 Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Ambo Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 05/01/2008 15:01:03 I just go by that fact that all high-return investments(Wylker, Riethe) have been scams. Also. This dude offered 5%/Week at first. Thats very high. Not really, I returned around 35% per week and that was not a scam. Fact is, it's EASY to double your money every month. Even working with multiple billions. It bugs me as an investor that so many people see somthing above 10%/month and say "It must be a scam! No one is stupid enough to really offer that kind of return!" It's funny that everyone takes ISK so seriously around here. Sure, it's taken me some time to earn but really it's meaningless play money. It's not like I'm going to do anything with it anyway other than earn more ISK. Having said that, there are some other details that put me off this IPO so I'm afraid I won't be investing. Good luck though. You do hold the honor of being the highest paying IPO in the history of these forums. No one has returned anywhere near your level of profit from such a tiny investment. The next closest probably returned 1/4 as much as you. But the only reason for anyone to return as much as you did is to prove you can. People here are happy to get a mere 5% these days it seems, definitely 7-8%. Thus paying more than that is just bad business sense if you ask me. You have to be getting something else out of it to pay more. If bettering your reputation is worth the extra isk you pay out then that is a choice you can make. Wrong yet again, I was paying out 50% per week until the HIC's got introduced, then after losing too much cargo since I can't outrun those gate camps anymore, I had to drop it down to 30% per week just so I still make a profit. Everyone got their money, I made 20-70% on top of that for myself. Like stated above, it's not hard to double your money, especially if you GTFOOJ. Only thing you would find on the forums about that is what Curzon Dax decided to write because he read my profile. I don't need to advertise (good ones never need to) and why bother if you and a few others will just yell scam and ruin the pages. Wieting Foyu Foyu Investments
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 10:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Wieting Foyu Wrong yet again, I was paying out 50% per week until the HIC's got introduced, then after losing too much cargo since I can't outrun those gate camps anymore, I had to drop it down to 30% per week just so I still make a profit Without trying to sound rude he was talking about real IPO/Bond offerings. Yours wasn't touched by a lot of people as it felt like another "DragonRider TAO" business. (read: pyramid) Quote: Everyone got their money, I made 20-70% on top of that for myself. Like stated above, it's not hard to double your money, especially if you GTFOOJ. I have no doubt you will offer another business model even higher some time in the near future. Whether that reaches the cut and run point is yet to be determined. Or maybe you are legitimate. Question : How much isk were you in control of with your business? Quote: Only thing you would find on the forums about that is what Curzon Dax decided to write because he read my profile. How much isk did he put into you? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043 Largest Empire Research Alliance in EVE!
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:28:00 - [59] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=677218 I was gonna invest in Kyrial's bond, after having spoken to him first time. But it kinda turned out it was a call to give it a few days. Any potential investors should have a look at the above thread. Its unfortunately not the best things to say, being a new investment manager. This signature is brought to you by EBankÖ, free space for moderators to brag.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.07 16:14:00 - [60] Originally by: LaVista Vista http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=677218 I was gonna invest in Kyrial's bond, after having spoken to him first time. But it kinda turned out it was a call to give it a few days. Any potential investors should have a look at the above thread. Its unfortunately not the best things to say, being a new investment manager. Indeed. That thread just about killed any hope I'd ever consider investing in the OP. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained

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