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L70Rogue	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:15:00 - [1] Edited by: L70Rogue on 04/01/2008 07:18:11 I'm sitting here firing cruise missile after cruise missile at these ships and I'm hitting them for 0 damage! 1 ishtar, 2vagabonds and 2 crows should not be able to take down a t2 fit raven and drake. My medium drones can't even catch them. Something needs to be done about speed, it is out of control. When is the speed nerf coming? Or please boost missiles.
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:18:00 - [2] Drakes don't shoot cruise missles. Their ships were worth more than yours. Mediums don't work against fast ships. There were more of them. Alt Troll 3/10.
L70Rogue	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Drakes don't shoot cruise missles. Their ships were worth more than yours. Mediums don't work against fast ships. There were more of them. Alt Troll 3/10. I was in a raven, my friend was in a drake. So just because a ship is worth more it supposed to be able to win? pff
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:20:00 - [4] 1st... to get theyr ships like that they have to spend alot more than you ship costs. they came whit a few ppl... that means they are frined/corp mates... mybe you should get those too and fight back ?? but no... you are whineing that you cant solo a gang of ppl.. ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:21:00 - [5] They won simply because they are better than you. It has nothing to do with missles or speed. Surely you must be used to it by now.
L70Rogue	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:22:00 - [6] Edited by: L70Rogue on 04/01/2008 07:22:21 Originally by: Riho 1st... to get theyr ships like that they have to spend alot more than you ship costs. they came whit a few ppl... that means they are frined/corp mates... mybe you should get those too and fight back ?? but no... you are whineing that you cant solo a gang of ppl.. Ok I lost to a gang of people, but one doesn't even have a fighting chance in a battleship against t2 cruisers and frigs? They weren't getting hit for ANY damage.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:24:00 - [7] Originally by: L70Rogue Edited by: L70Rogue on 04/01/2008 07:22:21 Originally by: Riho 1st... to get theyr ships like that they have to spend alot more than you ship costs. they came whit a few ppl... that means they are frined/corp mates... mybe you should get those too and fight back ?? but no... you are whineing that you cant solo a gang of ppl.. Ok I lost to a gang of people, but one doesn't even have a fighting chance in a battleship against t2 cruisers and frigs? They weren't getting hit for ANY damage. battleships are not solopwn mobiles.... they need support. if you had a friend in a rapier/huginn/ceptor whit a web.... this would have been something else.... and allso.... the drake pilot whit you... why didnt he use precision heavys(unless he was a low skilled pilot ofc) ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
L70Rogue	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Riho Originally by: L70Rogue Edited by: L70Rogue on 04/01/2008 07:22:21 Originally by: Riho 1st... to get theyr ships like that they have to spend alot more than you ship costs. they came whit a few ppl... that means they are frined/corp mates... mybe you should get those too and fight back ?? but no... you are whineing that you cant solo a gang of ppl.. Ok I lost to a gang of people, but one doesn't even have a fighting chance in a battleship against t2 cruisers and frigs? They weren't getting hit for ANY damage. battleships are not solopwn mobiles.... they need support. if you had a friend in a rapier/huginn/ceptor whit a web.... this would have been something else.... and allso.... the drake pilot whit you... why didnt he use precision heavys(unless he was a low skilled pilot ofc) Precision heavy missiles will do very very little damage to anything that is above 5000m/sec... explosion velocity of 1500m/sec with max skills...
Zana Kito Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu They won simply because they are better than you. It has nothing to do with missles or speed. Surely you must be used to it by now. Iwin buttons never make anyone a better player. NOS/ECM domi back in the days pwned not because players behind them were better.. cos if that was the case, they still should pwn just as much now. It's a stupid argument that people who fly clearly overpowered ships is somehow more skilled. Woahh.. it's so skillful to get some poly rigs on, overdrives and nanos in the lows and fly at hax speed.. yeah.. see how long this continues.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Zana Kito Originally by: Atsuko Ratu They won simply because they are better than you. It has nothing to do with missles or speed. Surely you must be used to it by now. Iwin buttons never make anyone a better player. NOS/ECM domi back in the days pwned not because players behind them were better.. cos if that was the case, they still should pwn just as much now. It's a stupid argument that people who fly clearly overpowered ships is somehow more skilled. Woahh.. it's so skillful to get some poly rigs on, overdrives and nanos in the lows and fly at hax speed.. yeah.. see how long this continues. so if players put 1bil+ in snake i implants and hardwireings and 500+ mil in fittings a nuub whit a 60mil isk drake should pwn it ?... ok i can understand the whines about the vaga and rapier and stuff like that... but ishtar ??? shoot the damn drones :P ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:37:00 - [11] Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 04/01/2008 07:40:38 Next time, don't fire at the interceptors. Shoot the vagabond that isn't MWDing. If the vagabond is MWDing, it won't do any damage to you so ignore it. The problem with fighting superior numbers of superior ships being piloted by pilots with superior skillpoints is that they know how to micromanage and manually pilot. They won't sit there and 'orbit then F1-8, afk'. Learn EVE, learn tactics, learn combat. It's the only way you'll stand a chance against 2.5x your number in ships that are a tech level higher than yours. Not that I'm saying you should have stood a chance in hell of actually winning a fight against 3 hac and 2 ceptors :P _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Zana Kito Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Zana Kito Originally by: Atsuko Ratu They won simply because they are better than you. It has nothing to do with missles or speed. Surely you must be used to it by now. Iwin buttons never make anyone a better player. NOS/ECM domi back in the days pwned not because players behind them were better.. cos if that was the case, they still should pwn just as much now. It's a stupid argument that people who fly clearly overpowered ships is somehow more skilled. Woahh.. it's so skillful to get some poly rigs on, overdrives and nanos in the lows and fly at hax speed.. yeah.. see how long this continues. so if players put 1bil+ in snake i implants and hardwireings and 500+ mil in fittings a nuub whit a 60mil isk drake should pwn it ?... ok i can understand the whines about the vaga and rapier and stuff like that... but ishtar ??? shoot the damn drones :P And so your idea is to make eve a game of "buying your way to iwin buttons?" Don't be silly. WE all know how strong nano setups are, and their only threat is hug/raps.. anything else they can leave the fight at will. That's the only reason people are willing to folk out billions for expensive rigs/implants. They know their setup is infinitely more survivable than any other setups in eve. How often do you see people pvp in faction BSes with billions in rigs and implants? You don't. Isk doesn't buy any other setup the kind of combat effectiveness and ability to pick fights at will as nanos... you know it, the devs know it, and your pet dog prolly knows it as well. Anyway, just don't be too suprised nor upset when the nerfbat swing on nano setups. Dictors are first.. which is next?
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Zana Kito Originally by: Atsuko Ratu They won simply because they are better than you. It has nothing to do with missles or speed. Surely you must be used to it by now. Iwin buttons never make anyone a better player. NOS/ECM domi back in the days pwned not because players behind them were better.. cos if that was the case, they still should pwn just as much now. It's a stupid argument that people who fly clearly overpowered ships is somehow more skilled. Woahh.. it's so skillful to get some poly rigs on, overdrives and nanos in the lows and fly at hax speed.. yeah.. see how long this continues. so if players put 1bil+ in snake i implants and hardwireings and 500+ mil in fittings a nuub whit a 60mil isk drake should pwn it ?... ok i can understand the whines about the vaga and rapier and stuff like that... but ishtar ??? shoot the damn drones :P a) You dont need to spend 1 bil on implants or anything of the sort, if you fly faster than 4k sec then no missile is going to do any significant damage to you no matter what skills/equipment the pilot possese. b) If isk is to determine the ability to kill anything then perhaps you better remind CCP that Motherships need alot of boosting cause at the moment they can be killed by a handfull of people that spent 1/30th of the isk on their ships.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:45:00 - [14] im just saying there are alot of counter to nano ships.... the thing i dont understand is why ppl have the obsession on killing them :P if u can make them run away... thats good allready. and i know pretty much what is there to know about nano stuff..... im a nano bastard myself. i have a nano ishtar (hate the ship.. loose too damn many drones), nano zealot (lol), nano huginn (well.. will have again when they can be built again), nano rapier, vaga ofc :P, nano curse.... think thats about it.... cant fly caldari so i dont have a nano cerb :P for the vaga and ishtar.. you only need poly rigs (50m per one) and t2 stuff... good skills get decent speeds. BUT for the other ships you need snakes allready as you cant get 4km/s orbit otherways to run from missiles ok.. alot of ppl use faction disruptors to stay away from neuts... whats the problem.. use faction neuts yourself to get them. like i said before... nano ishtar comes... shoot the drones down.... like he can kill you whitout them :P. vaga will only do damage if its not useing mwd... and so on.... ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
bladewell	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:46:00 - [15] First, every know in real life nothing is fast than missles.. in real life the"G force" for airplant and pilots have the max.. over that you lost your control. but missles dont have that proplem.. same thing in space ,fast speed making G force. too fast you lost your control. missles dont have that proplem .. dotn matter what. but EVE they add too much bouns on speed and lost the real like, that is missles should be fast than ship. just like hunman ever run fast than bullets, dont matter what.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.04 08:52:00 - [16] Originally by: bladewell First, every know in real life nothing is fast than missles.. in real life the"G force" for airplant and pilots have the max.. over that you lost your control. but missles dont have that proplem.. same thing in space ,fast speed making G force. too fast you lost your control. missles dont have that proplem .. dotn matter what. but EVE they add too much bouns on speed and lost the real like, that is missles should be fast than ship. just like hunman ever run fast than bullets, dont matter what. you made the mistake of comapreing EVE whit REAL LIFE.... its a GAME ffs ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
Dinakheron	Posted - 2008.01.04 09:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Riho you made the mistake of comapreing EVE whit REAL LIFE.... its a GAME ffs Thats why I want pixie dust, Dragons, Magic swords, etc implemented so I can kill those nano ships...
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.04 09:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Dinakheron Originally by: Riho you made the mistake of comapreing EVE whit REAL LIFE.... its a GAME ffs Thats why I want pixie dust, Dragons, Magic swords, etc implemented so I can kill those nano ships... your face should be enough :P ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:19:00 - [19] Originally by: L70Rogue Precision heavy missiles will do very very little damage to anything that is above 5000m/sec... explosion velocity of 1500m/sec with max skills... If you bothered to fit your ships, think creatively, or have another friend (they did outnumber you afterall), you might have won. Although I must admit that I've tanked entire nano gangs in my Drake with no problems. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
ZP20	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:26:00 - [20] Originally by: L70Rogue Edited by: L70Rogue on 04/01/2008 07:18:11 When is the speed nerf coming? Or please boost missiles. Speed is not out of control, you could have fitted a heavy neut to your ship, and drained cap out one of their ships, their MWD would stop and then you can hit them. How hard is that?
Jims Mistress	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:32:00 - [21] The issue is not with missiles, its with HAC, they are very hard to kill with BS guns/launchers unless webbed. You had 3 tech 2 cruisers shooting Tech 1 ships so its no wonder you lost. Best way to counter HAC is with nos/neuts, E-warfare, webbs.
Fedman Kasad Minmatar Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:03:00 - [22] Seriously, i don't get this constant whining. Starting billion threads about the same thing, neither. WTF people? OF COURSE you won't do ANY damage to a ship flying 5k, it's simply not possible. You know why? Because no ship flying at 5k can do damage to you either(except perhaps some drone boat with SICK setup and implants, but i doubt that exists and is all that common). In short: * YOU CAN'T HIT VERY VERY FAST SHIPS WITH MISSILES, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HIT YOU BACK EITHER. Now, the part with the price - To fly a vaga with "just" 5k you need to invest some good 400mil or so in the ship and rigs. If you want to hit 5-6k you need to buy implants, that cost so much i haven't even checked them cause i know i can't afford it. So basically you can do a fit like that not all that often(unless you buy ISKs), it's normal to get something special for your money... And it's normal that you don't lose a vaga like that once a week. For the same money you can buy 3-4-5 ravens and fit them... And finally, we DO pop a lot of vagas, they are really not all that invincible. People make mistakes, there's lag, there's huggin... So people, please stop crying about speed, missiles, nerfs and ****. Missiles are already the best weapon in terms of hitting things - you don't care about tracking, you hit exactly the same from 100km and 1km, for the same damage, etc... Turrets can't hit extremely fast targets neither. P.S. No, i don't fly vaga, i tried it and i don't really like that game style. [-------------------------------------------------] Tears stream behind my visor, but eyes look unblinking at the world
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Fedman Kasad lot of text on the drone boat thing... ishtar can reach whit just t2 gear enough speed to tank missiles. BUT... a smart person will shoot the drones whiles hes going around you in circles :P ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
Fedman Kasad Minmatar Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:26:00 - [24] nod Yes, and then the ishtar is completely useless... [-------------------------------------------------] Tears stream behind my visor, but eyes look unblinking at the world
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:35:00 - [25] Good to see cool head prevailing here. Speed tank equipment costs more then the drake. And more then the base price of a raven. I don't see you complaining about a t1 rifter with a t2 AB not dying to your cruise missiles? Battleships should NOT hit frigates. It's as easy as that. EVE had a period of time that did happen, before tracking in guns and explosion radius and velocity. Battleships were overpowered as hell. CCP isn't going to nerf speed anytime soon. The dev chat said specifically they are nerfing INTERDICTORS that are going too fast. Go listen to it, it's pretty good.
Pickled Egg	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:38:00 - [26] So wait, five on two, you lost, and you're whining? What, so used to slaughtering missions in your Raven and Drake that you get upset when you're slaughtered in real combat?
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:39:00 - [27] Caldari is not supposed to "have it all"
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:42:00 - [28] Originally by: L70Rogue Edited by: L70Rogue on 04/01/2008 07:18:11 I'm sitting here firing cruise missile after cruise missile at these ships and I'm hitting them for 0 damage! 1 ishtar, 2vagabonds and 2 crows should not be able to take down a t2 fit raven and drake. My medium drones can't even catch them. Something needs to be done about speed, it is out of control. When is the speed nerf coming? Or please boost missiles. you fail because you were in a outnumbered situation, so unless you had an escape route, you would lose your ship. you fail because the main damage dealer there is, evidently, the ishtar. why didn't you shoot his drones? in sum, you fail because of your noobishness by putting yourself into such situation. --- planetary interaction idea!
Slide	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:52:00 - [29] I don't want to say it but i am afraid i can't withold myself Having a name like L70Rogue , sure it is not WOW based , explains alot.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:54:00 - [30] Guys - The issue is not that he died He was gonna die anyway but his point is that Missile Damage is BROKEN! Nanoships gain 99.99% Damage resist to missile by going fast. They are going so fast due to broken damage calculations that were designed prior to nanoage that we live in now. What the OP wants was the ability to do damage. Not OMGWTFPWN, as he would have lost anyway. Nanos are the NEW WCS, allowing people to have risk free pvp as nanoships can escape if the OP had brought something that would pose a danger to any of them. Thats the WcS scenario. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)

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