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rodney119
Gallente
Peregrine ammo and arms
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:20:00 -
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I am current training up electronic upgrades L5 for invention on my alt. As I am taking the time to train botgh this and electronics to L5, would it be worth while training up to use a covert op's frigate for low sec runs and scouting for my main?
This would not take much much of my training schedule and it may prove benficial. I may also train up to use T2 cloaking devices if I do do choose to train up for one.
What are the main benfits of the T2 cloaking device over it's T1 variation?
Rodney119
CEO,
Peregrine Arms and Ammo |
Maverick 52
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:26:00 -
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Cov Ops ships are the best scouts in the game. Definitely worth the time if you plan to be in hostile space and don't want to be caught in a fight.
Train for the Cov Ops Cloak, otherwise you might as well just use any other ship with the t1 and t2 cloaks.
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Garat Mant
Minmatar
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:31:00 -
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Absolutely yes if you intend to:
Travel unmolested through space
Scan Probe systems
Scout out enemy positions/movements.
One of the most useful ship classes I've flown, and definitely get the covops II cloak.
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rodney119
Gallente
Peregrine ammo and arms
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Posted - 2008.01.04 19:34:00 -
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Thanks for the very quick reply to the thread. I am already training towards this so will look into buying the Buzzard and the T2 covert op's cloaking device.
Rodney119
CEO,
Peregrine Arms and Ammo |
Karentaki
Gallente
federation navy taskforce
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:15:00 -
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Yes - totally worth it. I just got one quite recently, and it's total ownage. Great for fleet-scouting/exploration/transproting high-valuestuff through lowsec/0.0, and also a great deal of fun to fly 
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Xylia Ailyx
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Posted - 2008.01.04 20:49:00 -
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in addition - should you ever be interested in using scan probes, you'll also love the superior bonus to astrometrics the covert ops frigates give ;)
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:01:00 -
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How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.04 21:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Ulstan
How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
Fairly straight forward. Some particularly competent gatecamps might be able to catch you, but never reliably.
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Jack Target
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
A Cheetah might be best for running bubble camps in 0.0.
As well as being a covops, it is the fastest one - attaining nearly interceptor speeds if you fit 2 overdrives in the lows with 3 mass reduction rigs.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 05/01/2008 01:03:09
Originally by: Jack Target
Originally by: Ulstan
How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
A Cheetah might be best for running bubble camps in 0.0.
As well as being a covops, it is the fastest one - attaining nearly interceptor speeds if you fit 2 overdrives in the lows with 3 mass reduction rigs.
wtb any t2 ship with 3 rig slots.
ie, the cheetah can only fit 2 mass reduction rigs.
but otherwise yes. Cheetah fast.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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rodney119
Gallente
Peregrine ammo and arms
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Posted - 2008.01.08 16:56:00 -
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If thats the case, then would it also be worth while training up for black op ships? they seem to be a lot better again.
Rodney119
CEO,
Peregrine Arms and Ammo |
Ogron
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.08 17:15:00 -
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Do you mean Recon ships? Or do you actually mean Black Ops Battleships? Both are a good bit of training from a Cov Ops frigate and for completely different purposes and far far more money.
For a Cov Ops frigate you WILL need a Cov Ops cloak to make it worthwhile. A tech 2 cloak lets you move slightly faster while cloaked and has slightly less locking time penalty over a tech 1. BUT a Cov Ops cloak lets you warp while cloaked which is the Cov Ops real benifit.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Clearspace Operations
Carpe Diem.
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:22:00 -
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There is this thing called a stealth bomber. Two of them and a t1 maller can kill a battlecruiser.
Three of them and a assalt frig can make things cry.
five of them will straight up embarrass someone.
So yes, worth it.
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SoMeDuDe904
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:27:00 -
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I personally use the covert ops frig all the time. with it i would train astrometrics to level 5 so that u can use the ferret probes if u want to find people hiding, my gang and i killed a drake, reaper, and a nighthawk recently because the probes scanned them out. if u plan on using it in low sec fit rigs to help you scan people out faster, however, if you plan on going to 0.0 with it i would fit speed rigs.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.01.08 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: rodney119
I am current training up electronic upgrades L5 for invention on my alt. As I am taking the time to train botgh this and electronics to L5, would it be worth while training up to use a covert op's frigate for low sec runs and scouting for my main?
Not only is it a good idea, you would be insane not to do it. Did you know exploration and invention go hand-in-hand? Where do you think Decryptors come from? Interfaces? Racial Encryption skillbooks? They all come from exploration sites. It's a really groovy idea to train for Covert Ops and exploration if you invent. The skills are all very complimentary.
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Hans Angry
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.09 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
smartbomb ships, ie, the mothership lowsec camps, your ******
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Cmd Bokonon
Gallente
Falling Stars Squadron
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Posted - 2008.01.09 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
well i fly my helios for about 3 months in 0.0 and it never died. just use cloak, mwd, nanofiber and inertia stabs. best ship for transporting expensive stuff.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.01.09 16:20:00 -
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i'm not 100% sure of this but i think the pilgrim is the best 0.0 trader ship...fit lows with cargo expanders and a few istabs and you should be able to move a bit of modules at the same time escape pretty quick...just stay away from overdrives...
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2008.01.09 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Bokonon
Originally by: Ulstan
How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
well i fly my helios for about 3 months in 0.0 and it never died. just use cloak, mwd, nanofiber and inertia stabs. best ship for transporting expensive stuff.
What are you transporting? ice-nine? 
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
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rodney119
Gallente
Peregrine ammo and arms
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:52:00 -
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Good news is I am 2 days away from electronic upgrades L5 so will be able to continue my training for the covert ops initially.
Then I can continue to training for a recon cruiser or black ops ship.
As for the covert ops cloaking device, I would not plan to use anything else on there. I like better cloaking devices more than standard issue, non- covert ops cloaking devices.
Rodney119
CEO,
Peregrine Arms and Ammo |
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M00dy
Killed In Action
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:19:00 -
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Cov-ops are always great. I always want some in my gang.
RATatatatatat - Moody
Killed In Action
The Crimson Federation |
Kronarn
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:40:00 -
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are they any good for piracy though?
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Ogron
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:44:00 -
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Not in the traditional sense. Good for scanning down ratters sitting at a safe spot. But any pirate worth his salt should be able to scan down belt ratters using just the system scanner.
Valuable, yes, 100% necessary, no.
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ogron
Not in the traditional sense. Good for scanning down ratters sitting at a safe spot. But any pirate worth his salt should be able to scan down belt ratters using just the system scanner.
Valuable, yes, 100% necessary, no.
To be fair, it's harder and harder to narrow that belt search down in 15 seconds without them having already warped to a safe spot. As the pirates and murderers got better so the victims became wiser. Needing a scan probe is becoming more and more 'necessary' as they continue to watch local.
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Miss Miata
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Posted - 2008.01.11 22:59:00 -
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im training for this 2, can fly the ship just need level 4 of cloaking for the cov-ops cloak.
my plan is to use it to ship items in and out of o.o, to sell, and things i need.
although i somtimes wonder if a vigil with a prototype 2 cloak could have done the job nearly as well and saved me 15-20 days trainig 
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.01.11 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
How feasible is it to try to get past gatecamps in 0.0 with a cov ops as opposed to low sec?
Annoyingly easy :D
You'll find interceptors and drone boats will MWD towards your position quickly, trying to get something within 2000m of your ship (to decloak you) but covert ops get a bonus to speed when cloaked.
Simply align, cloak and warp. Very hard to catch. Heck, unless the interceptor has a sensor booster, it wont even manage to target you (or is very unlikly to) before you've cloaked and warped.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr
The Imperial Guards
Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
i'm not 100% sure of this but i think the pilgrim is the best 0.0 trader ship...fit lows with cargo expanders and a few istabs and you should be able to move a bit of modules at the same time escape pretty quick...just stay away from overdrives...
Yeah. I also agree that given the problems with Amarr Blockade runner, the pilgrim has taken its place as best gatecamp running hauler. I hope ccp change pilgrim bonus from nos to cargo capacity so we Amarr can carry our shame with us.
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Kern Hotha
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.11 23:40:00 -
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Yes, covert ops is useful for many situations and worth training. Get a covert ops cloak if you can afford it to warp while cloaked.
Also, Jonny JoJo has a funny-shaped head.
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rodney119
Gallente
Peregrine ammo and arms
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:26:00 -
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Seems to be a very positive response to this thread. I'm glad everyone has had the opportunity to add to it. As a matter of fact i was planning to get into the covert ops before continuing invention training.
Please keep this going as i would still like your thoughts about covert ops. The possibilites seem to be endless.
Rodney119
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