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Dron Yenko Endless Fury	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Dron Yenko on 04/01/2008 22:55:54 Moment of silence Time to strip blue-laser from my HD-DVD player and make holograms with it... That is all. Edit: forgot linky... Originally by: Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:56:00 - [2] You've murderised your subject line now, you know. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Kirjava on 04/01/2008 22:56:12 /me strolls in You deleted your title fyi. Also, how long till someone makes a hybrid blueray/high def player and wins the market? ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.04 22:59:00 - [4] How long til someone actually buys a movie... 族---族 Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:00:00 - [5] Somebody help me here as I'm one of those who still has VHS tapes. What in the living hell is blu-ray? And am I gonna have to replace my entire dvd collection soon to keep with the times as I've slowly been doing with VHS to dvd movies?
Dron Yenko Endless Fury	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:02:00 - [6] Title fixed - itchy trigger finger to blame. I don't think there ever be a hybrid. I will probably just buy as many titles as I can dirt cheap (Imagine Ebay panic this weekend) and when bluray finally gets their ** together (in a year or two) maybe invest into BD player. Originally by:** Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:02:00 - [7] I still think they're both going to be the next minidisk. Apart from serious videophiles and people who got the player free as part of their X-Box/PS3, who actually needs (by which I mean care enough to go out and re-buy their library of movies plus a whole new player) films in a slightly crisper format than DVDs? I was watching a friend's HD-DVD on his X-Box and his "high def" TV, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference. True I'm short sighted and a little fuzzy of hearing, but you'd think I'd still have noticed SOMETHING to justify the new format... ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Somebody help me here as I'm one of those who still has VHS tapes. What in the living hell is blu-ray? And am I gonna have to replace my entire dvd collection soon to keep with the times as I've slowly been doing with VHS to dvd movies? VHS? /me is genuinly puzzled - before my time VHS are. The publishers business model is based on selling the same stuff over and over again, DvD is all I need till we get something other that 2d screens. ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Somebody help me here as I'm one of those who still has VHS tapes. What in the living hell is blu-ray? And am I gonna have to replace my entire dvd collection soon to keep with the times as I've slowly been doing with VHS to dvd movies? VHS? /me is genuinly puzzled - before my time VHS are. The publishers business model is based on selling the same stuff over and over again, DvD is all I need till we get something other that 2d screens. You're 13 or younger? ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:07:00 - [10] In other news - Warner also secured the rights to an I Am Legend sequel. ** you warner, ** you. 族---族 Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Dron Yenko Endless Fury	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Patch86 I still think they're both going to be the next minidisk. Apart from serious videophiles and people who got the player free as part of their X-Box/PS3, who actually needs (by which I mean care enough to go out and re-buy their library of movies plus a whole new player) films in a slightly crisper format than DVDs? I was watching a friend's HD-DVD on his X-Box and his "high def" TV, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference. True I'm short sighted and a little fuzzy of hearing, but you'd think I'd still have noticed SOMETHING to justify the new format... No offense, but your friend must have a pretty **ty high-def TV or has not configured it properly. As far as sound goes - I have to agree with you, one needs to invest serious dough and have sensitive hearing to tell the difference. Originally by:** Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Dron Yenko No offense, but your friend must have a pretty **ty high-def TV or has not configured it properly. As far as sound goes - I have to agree with you, one needs to invest serious dough and have sensitive hearing to tell the difference. In all honesty, 'HIGH DEFINITION!!!!!11' is just a huge scam. Why are they touting it as new technology for gaming / films? I mean, PC's have been 'High Definition' since 1995... Taking old technology, calling it 'HIGH DEFINITION!' and selling it to dumbs who need the latest technology no matter what is just one big con. If you aren't sat eyes-up to the screen, it hardly makes a difference on all but the largest screens, and even then, most large screens (unless you paid out a crapload of money) aren't very impressive. Meh, I just hate the whole HIGH DEFINITION! fiasco. Xbox / ps3 ****s think they pwn PCs because they have HIGH DEFINITION!, wheras I ran half life 1 in 'HIGH DEFINITION' on release week. Hell, I was playing around with a 3-monitor setup the other day. Episode 2 over 3840x1024 is so, so nice... 族---族 Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Somebody help me here as I'm one of those who still has VHS tapes. What in the living hell is blu-ray? And am I gonna have to replace my entire dvd collection soon to keep with the times as I've slowly been doing with VHS to dvd movies? VHS? /me is genuinly puzzled - before my time VHS are. The publishers business model is based on selling the same stuff over and over again, DvD is all I need till we get something other that 2d screens. You're 13 or younger? Just turned 17 - no idea how old VHS are but the only time I have ever seen them are in bargin bins or blanks - puzzled that someone still uses them as their main medium. ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Somebody help me here as I'm one of those who still has VHS tapes. What in the living hell is blu-ray? And am I gonna have to replace my entire dvd collection soon to keep with the times as I've slowly been doing with VHS to dvd movies? VHS? /me is genuinly puzzled - before my time VHS are. The publishers business model is based on selling the same stuff over and over again, DvD is all I need till we get something other that 2d screens. Big blocky tapes. Prone to breaking but great for throwing at roommates. You kids have it easy now days. You can hit the menu button and skip a ton of previews. You can instantly go to any scene you want without doing the F.F.,damn too far, R.W., oops, F.F., crap too far again, R.W., there we go. And you don't have to rewind after the movie is over. Back in my day it was a huge thing when we switched from Beta to VHS. Then peoples heads exploded when DVD's and cd's came out.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Dron Yenko Originally by: Patch86 I still think they're both going to be the next minidisk. Apart from serious videophiles and people who got the player free as part of their X-Box/PS3, who actually needs (by which I mean care enough to go out and re-buy their library of movies plus a whole new player) films in a slightly crisper format than DVDs? I was watching a friend's HD-DVD on his X-Box and his "high def" TV, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference. True I'm short sighted and a little fuzzy of hearing, but you'd think I'd still have noticed SOMETHING to justify the new format... No offense, but your friend must have a pretty **ty high-def TV or has not configured it properly. As far as sound goes - I have to agree with you, one needs to invest serious dough and have sensitive hearing to tell the difference. No offence to me, it's not my TV. Seriously though, it's a 30something inch TV and I was sat on the sofa about 6 feet or so away. Might have been a little crisper, but I didn't have anything to compare it to. If he hadn't told me it was high def, I probably wouldn't have noticed. ------ Originally by:** CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Dron Yenko Endless Fury	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Dron Yenko Originally by: Patch86 I still think they're both going to be the next minidisk. Apart from serious videophiles and people who got the player free as part of their X-Box/PS3, who actually needs (by which I mean care enough to go out and re-buy their library of movies plus a whole new player) films in a slightly crisper format than DVDs? I was watching a friend's HD-DVD on his X-Box and his "high def" TV, and I honestly couldn't tell the difference. True I'm short sighted and a little fuzzy of hearing, but you'd think I'd still have noticed SOMETHING to justify the new format... No offense, but your friend must have a pretty **ty high-def TV or has not configured it properly. As far as sound goes - I have to agree with you, one needs to invest serious dough and have sensitive hearing to tell the difference. No offence to me, it's not my TV. Seriously though, it's a 30something inch TV and I was sat on the sofa about 6 feet or so away. Might have been a little crisper, but I didn't have anything to compare it to. If he hadn't told me it was high def, I probably wouldn't have noticed. 120inch screen + high def projector = your jaw will literally drop. Plus costs less than plasma half the size. High def is worth it if you set it up properly. Also, quality differs on movie by movie basis. Compare Matrix to Mummy in HD and you'll see what I am talking about. What is really funny is that both formats store the same media. Except that HDDVD costs less, more stable and versatile compared to blu-ray. Real shame that HDDVD is going to die out because Sony will pimp the prices back up and consumer will suffer. Originally by:** Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
Benco97 Gallente Mineral Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.04 23:50:00 - [17] I know nothing about the tech specs for HD really but I do know this, on my 32" widescreen regular definition television looks TERRIBLE, REALLY bad. I feel I can't stress that enough. "HD" television looks good though. I'd imagine that on a bigger screen the effects would be even more noticable, when you take two pictures and scale them up then the higher res is going to look the best. That's all I can say. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
MalVortex	Posted - 2008.01.05 03:20:00 - [18] If you can't play at 1080P or higher resolutions, you will not see a change in HDDVD or BluRay discs. Modern DVDs have enough room for 720P (not that anybody ever uses it) or 1080i. You must have a TV, projector, or monitor of sufficient quality to appreciate it, and the film must have been recorded at a resolution equal to or higher than 1080P and never compressed until the final write to disc. Old films that are "lulz 1080P" are upscaled and wont look any different.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.05 03:24:00 - [19] Originally by: MalVortex If you can't play at 1080P or higher resolutions, you will not see a change in HDDVD or BluRay discs. Modern DVDs have enough room for 720P (not that anybody ever uses it) or 1080i. The DVD standard does not support 720p or 1080i.
MalVortex	Posted - 2008.01.05 03:27:00 - [20] Hrm, I could have sworn it did... Oh well. That simply reinforces the quality gain of a "high-definition" format. They really need to stop abusing that word.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.05 03:49:00 - [21] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/01/2008 03:49:44 Originally by: MalVortex Hrm, I could have sworn it did... Oh well. That simply reinforces the quality gain of a "high-definition" format. They really need to stop abusing that word. DVD would fail miserably with highdef, since the max bitrate is around 9.8 megabits for video, and it only supports MPEG-2. And MPEG-2 looks pretty bad even at 25-35 megabits for 1080p. There is an HD standard for DVD9s though which allows one to make DVD9s that are playable on HD-DVD players, using HD-DVD standard codecs.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.01.05 05:31:00 - [22] Hey, if they are that stupid and want to lose money, let em. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.05 20:32:00 - [23] Wasn't there a hybrid player for hd-dvd and blu-ray on display last year at a tech fair. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.01.05 20:48:00 - [24] Beta > blu-ray and HD-dvd Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Shiipo Caldari Dangerous Trades	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Shiipo on 05/01/2008 21:23:19 In 5 years or so they've hopefully made up their mind, at which point I'll consider buying whatever the standard turns out to be. Meanwhile, I'll simply not buy any movies (with the exception of regular dvd movies).
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:27:00 - [26] I had a betamax... wow, I just felt really really old Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.01.05 22:06:00 - [27] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 05/01/2008 22:07:25 LG currently sells a player (both normal and PC mounted) that can read both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs, but has the slight downside that it can't read the additional content on HD-DVDs i believe. But movie playback for both types is excellent. Check here
Angelik'a Gallente Ahaha I made this corp so I could post in COAD	Posted - 2008.01.06 15:16:00 - [28] Edited by: Angelik''a on 06/01/2008 15:18:09 Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 05/01/2008 22:07:25 LG currently sells a player (both normal and PC mounted) that can read both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs, but has the slight downside that it can't read the additional content on HD-DVDs i believe. But movie playback for both types is excellent. Check here I was gonna say that It costs about ú140 as well. Just get a DVI->HDMI cable and fiber optic cable to your surround sound mixer and you're sorted eh Edit: Should say ú140 for the PC drive, price taken from overclockers.co.uk
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.06 15:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Back in my day it was a huge thing when we switched from Beta to VHS. I still have some BETAs in my basement. Some of my pop's audition tapes from 35 years ago. They have bulletproof cases that say "Property of NASA" on them. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:47:00 - [30] Saw that SUPER MULTI BLUE! player in richer sounds the other day, my dear old father has considered buying one.. we shall see. We have 2 42" tvs in my house, both HD, you can definitely tell the difference, especially with football! The ball is a ball, not a white blob or blur.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.01.06 20:28:00 - [31] The new formats will be much more important as data carriers for games, if you ask me. After all, the games industry caught up with the movie industry last year... EVE History Wiki
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:13:00 - [32] Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 07/01/2008 00:13:59 It's bussiness as usual this format competition. Corporations have their eyes glued on to the dollars of this new mass marketed "HD entertainment" money potential and they try to do their best moves to get their piece of the cake. The cake beeing a question mark! It might be that internet downloads win unless the formats wont settle down. Sony sucks , MS sucks even more so from that perspective I wish that MS will loose. -RonP 2008-
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:17:00 - [33] Watching the Times Square party on New Years Eve on a 1080p setup. Got a good look at Fergie's underarm stubble hair. That's the magic of HD. I have a PS3, so I'm somewhat partial to Blu-ray just so I don't have to buy another piece of equipment, but otherwise I don't care. I don't see a significant technological difference to get behind either one. For action movies, HD seems great if you set it up right (and setting it up right is more complicated than most people are willing to do). But for more "talky" movies (dramas, chick flicks, and the like), what's the point? They could be in black-and-white analog and I wouldn't care. At least than I don't have to see their skin pores.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2008.01.07 02:01:00 - [34] After DVD level of quality I could not give less of a toss. _
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.07 03:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Reiisha The new formats will be much more important as data carriers for games, if you ask me. After all, the games industry caught up with the movie industry last year... meh, I have a feeling PC gaming at least is going to move almost completely to online distribution in the next few years anyways..
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.07 03:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Sony sucks , MS sucks even more so from that perspective I wish that MS will loose. HD-DVD, however, isn't Microsoft--its dozens of corporations, of which Microsoft is just one. Blu-Ray, on the other hand, is purely Sony--they own all the rights and patents, and can screw over the consumer and other corporations completely at will. HD-DVD losing is not a good thing.
Miss Anthropy The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Reiisha The new formats will be much more important as data carriers for games, if you ask me. After all, the games industry caught up with the movie industry last year... meh, I have a feeling PC gaming at least is going to move almost completely to online distribution in the next few years anyways.. That's doubtful. Sure, more and more games are available for download but you would be cutting away a good portion of your target market if you did away with the current CD/DVD distribution method. It'll be interesting to see though which new DVD standard the gaming industry decides to support. It won't matter too much on Consoles because you can't play a PS3 game on an XBox; but for the PC industry the choice will most likely kill off either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD depending on which is chosen. It's time to chew ass and kick bubblegum... and I'm all outta bubblegum. Wait... that don't sound right.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:52:00 - [38] How big are games anyway? Supreme Commander I got via download - 5.5Gigs, is that the norm or exception? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.01.07 15:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Miss Anthropy It'll be interesting to see though which new DVD standard the gaming industry decides to support. It won't matter too much on Consoles because you can't play a PS3 game on an XBox; but for the PC industry the choice will most likely kill off either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD depending on which is chosen. Since the industry has barely started churning out regular DVD games for PC, it'll be a long while before we see next-gen DVDs Originally by: Kirjava Supreme Commander I got via download - 5.5Gigs, is that the norm or exception? That's about the right size for a DVD game, but remember that the biggest part of games isn't the code, but the textures. As texture resolution goes up, so does their size. Just having more space for textures is half the reason why PS3 screenshots look so good.
Voodoo'sMother	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:58:00 - [40] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Dron Yenko No offense, but your friend must have a pretty **ty high-def TV or has not configured it properly. As far as sound goes - I have to agree with you, one needs to invest serious dough and have sensitive hearing to tell the difference. In all honesty, 'HIGH DEFINITION!!!!!11' is just a huge scam. Why are they touting it as new technology for gaming / films? I mean, PC's have been 'High Definition' since 1995... Taking old technology, calling it 'HIGH DEFINITION!' and selling it to dumbs who need the latest technology no matter what is just one big con. If you aren't sat eyes-up to the screen, it hardly makes a difference on all but the largest screens, and even then, most large screens (unless you paid out a crapload of money) aren't very impressive. Meh, I just hate the whole HIGH DEFINITION! fiasco. Xbox / ps3 ****s think they pwn PCs because they have HIGH DEFINITION!, wheras I ran half life 1 in 'HIGH DEFINITION' on release week. Hell, I was playing around with a 3-monitor setup the other day. Episode 2 over 3840x1024 is so, so nice... --------------------------------------------------- Yeah I typo- So what.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.07 22:21:00 - [41] If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Dron Yenko Endless Fury	Posted - 2008.01.07 23:55:00 - [42] Originally by: lofty29 In all honesty, 'HIGH DEFINITION!!!!!11' is just a huge scam. Why are they touting it as new technology for gaming / films? I mean, PC's have been 'High Definition' since 1995... Taking old technology, calling it 'HIGH DEFINITION!' and selling it to dumb**s who need the latest technology no matter what is just one big con. If you aren't sat eyes-up to the screen, it hardly makes a difference on all but the largest screens, and even then, most large screens (unless you paid out a crapload of money) aren't very impressive. Meh, I just hate the whole HIGH DEFINITION! fiasco. Xbox / ps3 **s think they pwn PCs because they have HIGH DEFINITION!, wheras I ran half life 1 in 'HIGH DEFINITION' on release week. Hell, I was playing around with a 3-monitor setup the other day. Episode 2 over 3840x1024 is so, so nice... I would agree with you as far as HD Games go - screw consoles trying to take over PC gaming. Don't own a console and not planning on getting one anytime soon. Just waste of money; I would rather invest those $400 in a new graphics card. But in films - HD is a new technology. Show me "affordable" high def big screen in 1995. Or even 2000. Or do you mean that someone in his right mind can "enjoy" movie on a 22inch PC screen? With increased popularity of HD screens (and drop in price) comes demand for ability to play HD content. Am I a dumb for dumping money into HD hardware? Don't really care. Some people throw 10x more in their cars, others spend $5k on the super-SLI-rig. I've spent much less than that and was easily able to afford it on my not-so-spectacular-military-salary. But I can watch movies and play EvE/Portals/TF2/HL2 at 1080p projected on a 120in screen. That makes me warm and fuzzy inside. So nice... very nice... And I don't have to strain my eyes trying to make out details while sitting "eyes-to-the-monitor". I just lay down on a couch 12 feet away with the keyboard on my lap... Originally by:** Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.08 00:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Tarminic If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet. Slightly superior, at a high cost in terms of money, both for the media and playback device. Additionally, Blu-Ray has the most anti-consumer DRM of the two formats.
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2008.01.08 05:58:00 - [44] I've got a few second-hand shops in the downtown area where I live. I can buy old vhs tapes for half the cost of renting the DvD at Blockbuster. So I have a ton of VhS tapes that I've watched once. They're of all terrible, static-marred quality. I've always wondered why magnetic tape storage has been around for so long - it's the most unstable, unreliable and feeble storage format. I love DvD though, and I'm not completely sold on all this High-Def business. Yes, it looks better. Yes, I can see the improvement. But is it worth thousands of dollars? To me, it's not.
Morn Judith Caldari The Singularity Project Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.01.08 07:37:00 - [45] Well, it looks like its almost completely over for HD-DVD. It turns out that Paramount has a clause in their contract stating that if Warner bails, that they can bail also. So They aare getting ready to make the switch. But also keep in mind that it is fairly pointless to buy one of these players and the required discs unless you really have money to spare, as it is already a quickly dying technology. DVD will probably only be with us for another 5 years, and they plan on ceasing production in the next 4 years. Soon it will be nothing but streaming movies and memory cards. I don't like my sig.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.01.08 07:48:00 - [46] Edited by: Reiisha on 08/01/2008 07:49:47 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Tarminic If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet. Slightly superior, at a high cost in terms of money, both for the media and playback device. Additionally, Blu-Ray has the most anti-consumer DRM of the two formats. According to a friend of mine who does some ICT work in that area, the DRM is quite easy to bypass and might even be abolished at some point (if i understood that right - i don't know if i'm mixing up 2 of his presentations now) Fact remainds that Bluray does offer over 3 times the space on a standard disk than HD-DVD. I know that Gran Turismo 5 at least will be making quite good use of that space :) EVE History Wiki
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.08 10:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Morn Judith DVD will probably only be with us for another 5 years, and they plan on ceasing production in the next 4 years. Soon it will be nothing but streaming movies and memory cards. I think dvd will be around for the forseeable future - Floppies and VHS are still sold and we need a cheap mass storage medium, at the moment DvD still reighns king for storage. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:35:00 - [48] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/01/2008 14:35:09 Originally by: Reiisha Edited by: Reiisha on 08/01/2008 07:49:47 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Tarminic If I remember correctly, isn't Blu-ray the superior format? Personally I'm too poor to buy into either format yet, so I'm not horribly concerned yet. Slightly superior, at a high cost in terms of money, both for the media and playback device. Additionally, Blu-Ray has the most anti-consumer DRM of the two formats. According to a friend of mine who does some ICT work in that area, the DRM is quite easy to bypass and might even be abolished at some point (if i understood that right - i don't know if i'm mixing up 2 of his presentations now) Fact remainds that Bluray does offer over 3 times the space on a standard disk than HD-DVD. I know that Gran Turismo 5 at least will be making quite good use of that space :) 1. BD+ protection has not been cracked yet. Nobody is sure that BD+ will ever be cracked. Its an absurdly complex system involving a virtual machine. 2. Blu-Ray requires that ALL DISKS be copy-protected. This means that you will never be able to burn your own Blu-Ray discs, ever. Also, 40GB is not "3 times more than" 30GB.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Reiisha According to a friend of mine who does some ICT work in that area, the DRM is quite easy to bypass and might even be abolished at some point (if i understood that right - i don't know if i'm mixing up 2 of his presentations now) I can't see Bluray+ being easy to figure out how to bypass. It involves running code inside a protected environment on the disc player. Eventually, I expect to see an emulator that fools the code into thinking it's in that protected environment, but it won't be easy. AACS (copy protection shared by both formats) may never get the sort of fundamental vulnerability that DVDs had with DeCSS. Rather, we'll probably see a continuous action-reaction, where a new set of title keys are distributed and the industry revokes the player keys that allowed the break.

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