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Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Qui Shon I'm not going to post a damn guide here, so even the gankmonkeys too slow to figure it out by themselves (if that's possible) can follow it and we get even more of this in highsec. And more of these threads, as a consequence. Thankfully, I think not too many gankbears (there is no risk in this) have Industry alts or even PE trained themselves. Yep, you're the man. Make guides, bring it to public awareness, show how people can gank expensive cnrs with only a littl investment, so that this will become very common. When the last lazy pirate is chasing highsec missionrunners, then we will see a lot of whine and complains on forums. People will make legit posts about how they've been killed by pirates which used insurance fraud (and nothing else it is, when you lose your ship deliberately after having insured it) and that they are going to quit with their 10 accounts etc, the usual whine campaign. This might eventually lead to a higher security for highsec inhabitants, for example probing will get harder or concord response times will be faster or something. And then, finally, i can upgrade my cnr again. It sucks to have 25 bil in the wallet and only flying with a 2bil setup (pirates dont try, i do them with another char). I want that estamel launchers and vepas ballistic controls back, which i had on my cnr back then, before i was aware of that suicide gank threath !
nether void Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:12:00 - [32] I've got a question: If the cops destroy your ship, why the hell are you getting insurance? You're a criminal. You should get nothing. WTF is going on in this game. --------------------------- nethervoid - since '97 [UO\|EQ\|SB\|SWG\|PS\|EVE\|HZ\|NWN\|VG\|WoW]
Speed Addict	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:16:00 - [33] i wonder is this would be possible: suppose u have a mission in 0.5 thats called angel extravaganze: aggro the whole room whit for a example ur own cnr or a nighthawk scream in local that u cant finish the mission because u cant tank it with ur megathron. other guys will offer to help, let them tank and as soon as he warps in and got aggro from the full room bring down his shield with 7x neutron gankfit :D once past his shield hes gonna go down fast ^^ pick up the loot with ur own ubertanked ship - - - Hi Speed Devil You are receiving this notice to inform you that your posting privileges have now been permanently terminated. now don't blame me for altposting :(
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:26:00 - [34] Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 08/01/2008 15:27:10 Please don't. Carebear tears lead the spineless CCP to ramp CONCORD to stupid wowesque levels. If you go on a rampage against CCP's favourite customer base, the resultant babelwhinage will only make life worse. It's already gotten hard enough to destroy barges in 0.8s, and Invention made them worth absolutely squat now too. Do this, and the first people who will suffer are the gate gankers, you will have pushed us all towards World Of Spacecraft just that little bit more, is this how you want to be remembered?
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Qui Shon I'm not going to post a damn guide here, so even the gankmonkeys too slow to figure it out by themselves (if that's possible) can follow it and we get even more of this in highsec. And more of these threads, as a consequence. Thankfully, I think not too many gankbears (there is no risk in this) have Industry alts or even PE trained themselves. Yep, you're the man. Make guides, bring it to public awareness, show how people can gank expensive cnrs with only a littl investment, so that this will become very common. When the last lazy pirate is chasing highsec missionrunners, then we will see a lot of whine and complains on forums. People will make legit posts about how they've been killed by pirates which used insurance fraud (and nothing else it is, when you lose your ship deliberately after having insured it) and that they are going to quit with their 10 accounts etc, the usual whine campaign. This might eventually lead to a higher security for highsec inhabitants, for example probing will get harder or concord response times will be faster or something. And then, finally, i can upgrade my cnr again. It sucks to have 25 bil in the wallet and only flying with a 2bil setup (pirates dont try, i do them with another char). I want that estamel launchers and vepas ballistic controls back, which i had on my cnr back then, before i was aware of that suicide gank threath ! Oh noes I cant fly around in my 27B isk ship in perfect safety! May i suggest to the OP some Large Energy Neutralizers.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:34:00 - [36] While I find it a little silly that suicide gankers still get their insurance payout, high sec suicide ganking is just part of the game. You're not truly safe anyway, so fit and fly accordingly. It's just one more risk that mission runners have to take.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:43:00 - [37] Originally by: abbagabba Oh noes I cant fly around in my 27B isk ship in perfect safety! May i suggest to the OP some Large Energy Neutralizers. Well, my post was meant to be ironic, not a whine, i'm sorry if you are to dumb to see that. And get some new suggestions please, instead of simply repeating mine from a few posts above in this thread.
nether void Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.08 16:15:00 - [38] Here's what I don't understand: High sec people should be pretty safe from anybody popping them, and totally safe from people popping them at gates. Hell there's low sec and no sec systems with people in them that you can go pop. So why are you popping carebears? If you hate them so much and fear their whine, oh and supposedly want a big PvP challenge, why are you doing suicides in high sec? You're gutless. You must suck at pvp if you have to gang up on mission runners. If you were good, you'd gank real pvp gangs fitted for pvp. They have nice shiney mods too. Oh wait that's too risky! Boo friggin hoo. This isn't WoW with free gear. You have to earn it. Oh wait no you don't. Just go pop some CNR carebear for no risk whatsoever. And you call mission runners carebears. lol That's the real joke. You're worse than carebears. At least they admit mission running is fairly risk free...well in high sec. But you act like you're the ** king pvper, suicide popping in high sec. lol In fact, low sec mission runners have more balls than low sec pirates. They man up and risk it to make something. What do mission runner gank squads and suicide gankers risk? Nothing. Cause they can't get up the balls to put their money where their mouth is. You're a badass? Go gank some pvpers, then I want to see the youtube goodness. Gank a carebear? I just lol at your 'skills'. You have none. If it were up to me, I'd crank the cops up so high they'd gank your ass as soon as they smelt the stank waft up from no sec. Hell I'd make them pop you for even warping to a high sec gate. That's how it should be. In a galaxy like Eve with the number of gank happy pirates it has, the cops should be trigger happy pit bulls with rabies. After all this game is hardcore, right? lol Go back to warsville nosec where the real men fight. lol Ganking carebears and you act like you're good at this game. It's like shooting fish in a damn barrel and then acting like you're a good hunter. Think you're a good hunter? Try a bear not a damn kitten. Eve isn't a 'hardcore' game. If you define hardcore as 5v1 gank squadding carebears then I really question how hardcore you think you are. You're hardcore? Go kill some real ships fitted with stuff that will wax your ass, because you have no skill vs real pilots. But then you'll just wine 'nerf' on the forums when someone who actually pvps against other pvp pilots just laughs at your 'skills'. We don't need crying from gankers who don't know how to pvp. Take your own advice and man up. This game is 'hardcore'. It's not for sissy pvp like WoW. Yet you water it down with no-risk carebear popping, which is worse than WoW world pvp. At least in WoW world pvp it's usually 1v1. Man vs man. Here its 5+v1. lol That's hardcore? Secondly, you do know the more you gank carebears the more you kill your own game? Why do you think Tram came about? Think! Seriously, hold off for two seconds and actually think. Every time you suicide gank someone in high sec you're **ing in your own food trough. And then the nerf bat will come down hard on your ass, and you'll be like 'Oh boo hoo CCP ruined my game' no newb YOU ruined your own game! Have you learned nothing from UO? Don't pop people using non-intended means just to get a quick fix to your urge to grief. That problem you have with getting a thrill from other's grief will eventually ruin this game. Don't be a moron. I don't care too much if this is not an appropriate post. I've been mmo gaming for a lot of years, and I'm sick of griefers. Not real pks; griefers. You suicide gankers are griefers, and really need to be delt with swiftly and firmly. Hopefully CCP kicks you in the jimmy soon, and I can't wait to see your tears. lol Or you could just man up and get your pvp on with real pvpers, but you probably won't because you're scared of a real fight. You're softcore, through and through. --------------------------- nethervoid - since '97 [UO\|EQ\|SB\|SWG\|PS\|EVE\|HZ\|NWN\|VG\|WoW]
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2008.01.08 16:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: abbagabba Oh noes I cant fly around in my 27B isk ship in perfect safety! May i suggest to the OP some Large Energy Neutralizers. Well, my post was meant to be ironic, not a whine, i'm sorry if you are to dumb to see that. And get some new suggestions please, instead of simply repeating mine from a few posts above in this thread. Fair call mate, didnt see your first post. Some new suggestions? bump him in mission and only use the energy Neuts, let the rats do the rest.
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.08 16:40:00 - [40] Originally by: nether void Here's what I don't understand: High sec people should be pretty safe from anybody popping them, and totally safe from people popping them at gates. Hell there's low sec and no sec systems with people in them that you can go pop. STOP! RIGHT! THERE! Your own words, you don't understand. This much is obvious. Then you go on to say "low" and "no sec" Still with me? Ok. It's called "high" sec. Not "Perfect Sec". So in reality, you are actually only the tiniest fragment from understanding.. hang in there! You only need to understand that no place is 100% safe, and you are RIGHT THERE! Originally by: nether void You're gutless. rabble rabble rabble... Oh and you started off so well! Go back to the start... look at it.. you do not understand. Get that bit, after all, you did write it. Now just believe it and you are 99% the way to harmony. That bit that came after it, where you told everybody how Eve should be, right after an admittance that you don't understand, not much use coming from one who doesn't understand. But that start... well... it was like a pure Dire Straits intro... so excellent, and well, like Dire Straits, lost it after the intro... but for you at least, there is hope.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.01.08 16:58:00 - [41] Originally by: nether void You're gutless. You must suck at pvp if you have to gang up on mission runners. If you were good, you'd gank real pvp gangs fitted for pvp. They have nice shiney mods too. Huh? PvP setups are usually t2/named with the odd low end faction. Of the odd 300 kills I've been in since I joined my current corp I've see one deadspace mod drop. Mission runner is where the good loot is at, what is this good at PvP thing you speak of? If you get the loot at an acceptable cost for you, for all purpose you are good enough. -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:06:00 - [42] while i'm not keen on suiciding just to kill folks that would otherwise be safe (this subverts the war dec process much like iMune are getting heat for) i don't think i'll argue something that increases the price of CNRs. /me dreams of the 1 bil isk cnrs again. I <3 empire.. usually.
Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:08:00 - [43] Edited by: Melor Rend on 08/01/2008 17:09:25 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba You don't have to fight against it's tank. I don't have to break his tank anyway... until his hardners go offline (if they were even online in the first place) i've died to concord 10 times over. It doesn't matter much though since his SB won't make any difference whatsoever against such alpha strike. Originally by: nether void So why are you popping carebears? Because they drop phat lootz? lol at the rest of your post... if you fly around in a 5 bil BS then you run the risk of being instawtfbbq'ed... don't see the problem there.. btw. tl; dr
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:30:00 - [44] Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 08/01/2008 17:30:39 Originally by: Empyre while i'm not keen on suiciding just to kill folks that would otherwise be safe (this subverts the war dec process much like iMune are getting heat for) i don't think i'll argue something that increases the price of CNRs. Sometimes, the only way to make a point sufficiently is to cold blooded execute somebody. And if they are in highsec, so be it.
Tousaka Langley	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:53:00 - [45] Originally by: nether void stuff You are confused. It is not about the challenge. It is about mugging another human being completely legally. How much is a five bill ship worth? 90 day GTC cards go for 500 million isk now? So 90 dollars for every billion, so 450 dollars for the whole ship? Sorry, but if I can rob someone of 450 dollars and am able to retain as much as a hundred or two of it with no chance of retribution, I will.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.08 17:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Melor Rend I don't have to break his tank anyway... until his hardners go offline (if they were even online in the first place) i've died to concord 10 times over. It doesn't matter much though since his SB won't make any difference whatsoever against such alpha strike. Just to give an example: i checked my current cnr setup. It's not a very good tank anymore (compared to what is possible) since i downgraded it, but still you'd better off killing the cap: The shield resistances are 66.88-86.75% (3 cn invuls), so if you take the most effective damage type, you'd have to deal 3 times as much damage to bring the shields down. The shieldbooster boosts around 500 hp each 3.2 seconds, so if your encouter takes for example 16 seconds, this means you have to kill an extra 2500 hardened shield hp, wich, if you take the most effective damagetype, require 7500 extra damage, only because of the shieldbooster. And my shieldbooster is set up for permarunning, it's not very good for short time, so the usual faction fitting sb should do even better here. Only one third of damage and extra hp from shieldbooster - you are better off erasing that with a neut-ship. And it does not take ages, even if you are unlucky and nuke the cap right after the invul cycle has started, it only takes 11 seconds till the invuls are off, if you are lucky they stop in the next second, so in average you'll end up waiting for few seconds till the tank is gone completely.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.01.08 18:04:00 - [47] Originally by: Tousaka Langley Originally by: nether void stuff You are confused. It is not about the challenge. It is about mugging another human being completely legally. How much is a five bill ship worth? 90 day GTC cards go for 500 million isk now? So 90 dollars for every billion, so 450 dollars for the whole ship? Sorry, but if I can rob someone of 450 dollars and am able to retain as much as a hundred or two of it with no chance of retribution, I will. Heh, you'd have been great in that one guys thread about the correlation (or lack thereof) in morality of the game character and the person behind it.
Annie Maye	Posted - 2008.01.08 20:49:00 - [48] Ganking mission runners in Hi-sec isn't the most admirable form of combat... kinda makes you look like low-life scum. Props to the people who actually earn their ships/mods opposed to people who have to steal them.
Igetshotalot THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.08 20:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Annie Maye Ganking mission runners in Hi-sec isn't the most admirable form of combat... kinda makes you look like low-life scum. Props to the people who actually earn their ships/mods opposed to people who have to steal them. i keep looking four you:) hope you'll dropp some nice mods:)
Annie Maye	Posted - 2008.01.08 20:58:00 - [50] I fly a t2 fitted raven... If you call t2 a great drop go for it. Unfortunatly my main is blue to you. So hopes of decent combat in 0.0 wen't down the drain.
Scott Tracy	Posted - 2008.01.08 21:35:00 - [51] Should a discussion like this not be in crime plus punishment. Young carebears like myself read general discussion and it makes me worry
Arctur Ceti	Posted - 2008.01.08 21:40:00 - [52] Edited by: Arctur Ceti on 08/01/2008 21:40:41 nvm
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.01.08 22:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Scott Tracy Should a discussion like this not be in crime plus punishment. Young carebears like myself read general discussion and it makes me worry Only pies, only crime in C&P. Much like Eve, there is litle punishment in the whole of Eve as well, game mechanics don't allow for it.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Qui Shon I think you should spend some time looking at the mineral value of ships, and the cost of bpc's if a bpo investment is too much, before making comments like that. It's not very hard to make Battleship suicide setups that you loose no more then 5 mil on, 10mil tops, insurance cost included, even assuming no recovery of own modules. This means concord provides 0, zip, zilch, nada in the form of consequence, and that insurance in relation to suicides is broken. I'm not going to post a damn guide here, so even the gankmonkeys too slow to figure it out by themselves (if that's possible) can follow it and we get even more of this in highsec. And more of these threads, as a consequence. Thankfully, I think not too many gankbears (there is no risk in this) have Industry alts or even PE trained themselves. So you proof his point in saying that even for the best producers, they'd look at a negative isk flow when they're constant suicide ganking if they don't get any good loot.
nether void Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:33:00 - [55] Discussion is over. This is what is supposed to be happening apparently. It's a built in feature. http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 Thanks for the player in the other thread linking this. It saves a lot of wasted typing. --------------------------- nethervoid - since '97 [UO\|EQ\|SB\|SWG\|PS\|EVE\|HZ\|NWN\|VG\|WoW]
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:39:00 - [56] Just grow some nuts and fly it in PvP, all the time, even when the FC calls for you to be in a nanoship. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Shigsy Sybrite Inc. Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:47:00 - [57] 3
Igetshotalot THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.09 06:17:00 - [58] Edited by: Igetshotalot on 09/01/2008 06:18:07 Originally by: Shigsy 3 this is just proof again that i always overestimate my opponents.. didnt think that you can manage to pwn a cnr bevoe concordonken with only 2 x geddon and 1 mega.:)nice stuff anyway:)
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.01.10 01:00:00 - [59] Edited by: Qui Shon on 10/01/2008 01:02:39 Originally by: Agor Dirdonen So you proof his point in saying that even for the best producers, they'd look at a negative isk flow when they're constant suicide ganking if they don't get any good loot. Kinda like having lots of coffee at a cafe will eventually drain your bank account.

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