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Kissapasi Kissapasi Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:11:00 - [61] Ok, now for the last setup. It has been modified to work perfectly under any conditions. The Last, Final and Ultimate support moros setup. Feel free to try it out sometimes
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:36:00 - [62] Lol, guys, are you real? Thanatos in triage has 100% bonust to remote rep amount and -50% to remote rep duration, so it rapairs 4 times more than a moros with the same number of Capital remote rapairs. And haas more DPS, due to the fact that his fighters has more DPS than the bonused ogre IIs and are 3 times faster. And a dread cannot hit anything other than standing still BS. So, is this thread real?
Akane Miyamoto Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:43:00 - [63] Edited by: Akane Miyamoto on 09/01/2008 14:43:00 Kissapasi, you're such a dirty flamebaiter >:P --------------- The Miyamotos, Chaper #1
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.09 15:02:00 - [64] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/01/2008 15:03:06 Originally by: Edriahn Lol, guys, are you real? Thanatos in triage has 100% bonust to remote rep amount and -50% to remote rep duration, so it rapairs 4 times more than a moros with the same number of Capital remote rapairs. And haas more DPS, due to the fact that his fighters has more DPS than the bonused ogre IIs and are 3 times faster. And a dread cannot hit anything other than standing still BS. So, is this thread real? Thantos Fighters do less DPS to enemy fleet than Moros Ogre II's due to something called sig radius and tracking. Moros can remote rep. Moros can solowtfpwm enemy fleet with drones. A gang of carriers are spider tanking, and a gang of moros are spider tanking. Carrier sends fighters, Moros Ogers II massacre fighters, as fighters miss most of their shots on oger II due tracking/sig. Now moros can snipe carriers if they have any turrets fitted. Mor just send orger II to mass assault. Moros can kill any carrier that uses Triage easaly as Carrer will run out of cap, while moros 1200 dps hits wrecking shots with drones alone on such a big target, so DPS is actually much higher. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Patso Tappaja Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 15:14:00 - [65] Nuf' said. This Sig doesnt lack eve-online material THIS time.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.09 21:18:00 - [66] Originally by: Kissapasi Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Kissapasi Ok, looks like too many people is missing the point of this thread. So I need to represent a new challenge: Moros setup part 2 Make me a carrier (preferably thanatos) setup that is able to perma-run 3*capital remote reps while having a 2800dps+ tank and 1200dps. (2 million effective hp with lg slaves on top of that). Smartbomb is required for drone countering. (No avatars in gang or gang bonuses, this is calculated without.) And that is with t2/faction only. thanatos,i cannot get it up to that dps,however i swapped how much it tanks with dps... highs:3x capital remote reps,2x true sansha energy vamps. mids:1x capital shield booster,1xDG shield boost amp 2x DG invuls 1x DG photon scattering. lows:6x true sansha power relays. rigs:2x CCCII 1x CCCI(you said tech 2). tanks 2723,produces 1250 and runs perma. Now heres the deal,carriers are much different then dreads,sure you can get a dread more cap stable...But you cannot rep the from the same range,assign your drones,actually hit with max dps,etc. Hello, I just did a new setup for moros. Moros, 4 remotes How about perma running FOUR capital remotes while dealing 1100dps+ and tanking 3000? I think moros is still the winner. Your an idiot,obviously you learn slow,but i will accept this challenge. Obviously you didnt notice your own moros cannot run its tank+ remote reps,so knowing this i made this setup to run either tank or reps...Infact i did this... 4x remote reps 1x true sansha nos. 2x capital shield boosters 2x invul fields 1x cap recharger II. 6x true sansha power relays. 2x CCCII rigs 1x CCCI rig. This setup can either tank or rep,it has nearly the same cap a second as your own and can tank 3300 dps whilst producing 1250...You should be ashamed,you made me release this basterd child upon the world Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Kissapasi Kissapasi Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.09 21:29:00 - [67] Edited by: Kissapasi on 09/01/2008 21:34:55 Edited by: Kissapasi on 09/01/2008 21:31:34 Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Kissapasi Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Kissapasi Ok, looks like too many people is missing the point of this thread. So I need to represent a new challenge: Moros setup part 2 Make me a carrier (preferably thanatos) setup that is able to perma-run 3capital remote reps while having a 2800dps+ tank and 1200dps. (2 million effective hp with lg slaves on top of that). Smartbomb is required for drone countering. (No avatars in gang or gang bonuses, this is calculated without.) And that is with t2/faction only. thanatos,i cannot get it up to that dps,however i swapped how much it tanks with dps... highs:3x capital remote reps,2x true sansha energy vamps. mids:1x capital shield booster,1xDG shield boost amp 2x DG invuls 1x DG photon scattering. lows:6x true sansha power relays. rigs:2x CCCII 1x CCCI(you said tech 2). tanks 2723,produces 1250 and runs perma. Now heres the deal,carriers are much different then dreads,sure you can get a dread more cap stable...But you cannot rep the from the same range,assign your drones,actually hit with max dps,etc. Hello, I just did a new setup for moros. Moros, 4 remotes How about perma running FOUR capital remotes while dealing 1100dps+ and tanking 3000? I think moros is still the winner. Your an idiot,obviously you learn slow,but i will accept this challenge. Obviously you didnt notice your own moros cannot run its tank+ remote reps,so knowing this i made this setup to run either tank or reps...Infact i did this... 4x remote reps 1x true sansha nos. 2x capital shield boosters 2x invul fields 1x cap recharger II. 6x true sansha power relays. 2x CCCII rigs 1x CCCI rig. This setup can either tank or rep,it has nearly the same cap a second as your own and can tank 3300 dps whilst producing 1250...You should be ashamed,you made me release this basterd child upon the world Ill counter this with a double shield boosting moros! Ah no, I wont. The Last, Final and Ultimate setup is already out. Check my last post with the link. It will definetly win any setup you can ever post here. Originally by:* Kissapasi Ok, now for the last setup. It has been modified to work perfectly under any conditions. The Last, Final and Ultimate support moros setup. Feel free to try it out sometimes Edit: Alternate setup for support moros
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.09 22:31:00 - [68] Originally by: Jonny JoJo ...Moros drones are UNBALANCED... 100% wrong. It's a drone control bonus, converted to reduce lag. Please go troll another thread. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Mizerik Grettistak	Posted - 2008.01.09 22:51:00 - [69] could always ask him where his POS's are and go show him the difference between the two ships.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.09 23:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/01/2008 15:39:53 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/01/2008 15:03:06 Originally by: Edriahn Lol, guys, are you real? Thanatos in triage has 100% bonust to remote rep amount and -50% to remote rep duration, so it rapairs 4 times more than a moros with the same number of Capital remote rapairs. And haas more DPS, due to the fact that his fighters has more DPS than the bonused ogre IIs and are 3 times faster. And a dread cannot hit anything other than standing still BS. So, is this thread real? Thantos Fighters do less DPS to enemy fleet than Moros Ogre II's due to something called sig radius and tracking. Moros can remote rep. Moros can solowtfpwm enemy fleet with drones. A gang of carriers are spider tanking, and a gang of moros are spider tanking. Carrier sends fighters, Moros Ogers II massacre fighters, as fighters miss most of their shots on oger II due tracking/sig. Now moros can snipe carriers if they have any turrets fitted. Mor just send orger II to mass assault. Moros can kill any carrier that uses Triage easaly as Carrer will run out of cap, while moros 1200 dps hits wrecking shots with drones alone on such a big target, so DPS is actually much higher. Theoretical Bullcrap aside Dreads have 1 weakness - any non-capital ship can tackle them. With exception of Moros This weakness that other dreads have is not present in moros. This is unbalanced. Change Moros 50% /level bonus to a turret related one HAAAI AMARRR. Funny that you are the only guy agreeing with the op in a 4 page thread. While the entire thread calls the OP a ****. Wonder, what that makes you... First, i found you anoying, now bitter comments like these make me laugh: Originally by:** Jonny JoJo Moros drones are UNBALANCED I hear 10% cap use per level is a favorate one. Just saying, thats all... It should be 10% per level, or turret damage/cap use bonus. Sure, but only if the moros has some extra flavour. So a +37.5% rep bonus and no ammo usage. Also we we need much, muuuuch more range on the blasters so they can be used till 40-50 km out. Omg!!11!11 just like amarr. Better tank, better damage (lol you wanna use blasters??) and no logistical nightmare. Woot! You know what! Lets make every THING in the game the SAME and hold hands and have loads of FUN! Wow, so cool i have a capslock button too. Just like you! _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Helen Eve Innovative Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.09 23:43:00 - [71] Epic Troll thread! Top Tip - Don't eat yellow snow
omiNATION Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:24:00 - [72] epic. trolling. the amarr sideshow chest thumping was icing on the cake. Kissapasi of the Kissapasi Corporation of the complete **** nebula. i tip my hat to you. [sig] EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules. [/sig]
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2008.01.10 03:29:00 - [73] Edited by: Niffetin on 10/01/2008 03:29:37 Sorry wierchas but I have to laugh at you now You dont know how much fun we had on Vent reading your posts out loud --- Teeheee!
Detris The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 04:41:00 - [74] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 09/01/2008 23:11:48 HAAAI AMARRR. Funny that you are the only guy agreeing with the op in a 3 page thread. While the entire thread calls the OP a ****. Wonder, what that makes you... First, i found you anoying, now bitter comments like these make me laugh: Originally by:** Jonny JoJo Moros drones are UNBALANCED I hear 10% cap use per level is a favorate one. Just saying, thats all... It should be 10% per level, or turret damage/cap use bonus. Sure, but only if the moros has some extra flavour. So a +37.5% rep bonus and no ammo usage. Also we we need much, muuuuch more range on the blasters so they can be used till 40-50 km out. Omg!!11!11 just like amarr. Better tank, better damage (lol you wanna use blasters??) and no logistical nightmare. Woot! You know what! Lets make every THING in the game the SAME and hold hands and have loads of FUN! Wow, so cool i have a capslock button too. Just like you! Lol u think he is bad in this thread. Read this Rant This guy is completely stupid and will never allow himself to be wrong. In reply to the OP, what are u thinking? I fly both a Carrier and a dread on 2 different accounts. They are both good at their niche jobs but why in the name of god would you use a Dread for logistics? The Carrier is far superior to it in this role, even with out using the triage mod.(which most carrier pilots don't, use speaking from experience) And just one more question, have u ever flown either of these 2 ships? Det
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.10 05:04:00 - [75] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 10/01/2008 05:04:44 50% per level Drone damage? wtf that's a little excessive considering the other dreads all have bonuses related to their capitol weapons, so the Moros can spew uber damaging drones out that can wtfbbqpwn much smaller ships? The Moros looks like some kind of super Dominix or something. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Zillethan The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 05:16:00 - [76] lol look at the race of all the people who want to nerf the Moros. Hmmmm....Amarr....funny just live with it, or if u can't stand, that train a new race.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.10 05:20:00 - [77] Im not saying it should be nerfed I know squat about Dreads, all I was saying is that if you look at all the other dread bonuses the Moros 50% per level seems excessive. 50% per level with 500m3 Drone bay makes it look like some kind of super mutated Dominix with a uber tank. But like I said I know nothing so it could very well be crap in the field. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Djerin Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:28:00 - [78] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Theoretical Bullcrap aside Dreads have 1 weakness - any non-capital ship can tackle them. With exception of Moros This weakness that other dreads have is not present in moros. This is unbalanced. You know, when you're in a situation like that where you have to bail out your Dread on your own you're dead. You shouldn't be in such a situation at all. If you still manage to get there something went horribly wrong. No drone bonus is going to help you there. ---- Sarmaul's crosstrainorgtfo
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.10 12:48:00 - [79] Originally by: Niffetin Edited by: Niffetin on 10/01/2008 03:29:37 Sorry wierchas but I have to laugh at you now You dont know how much fun we had on Vent reading your posts out loud w/e at least my corp is full of idiots
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2008.01.10 13:37:00 - [80] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Niffetin Edited by: Niffetin on 10/01/2008 03:29:37 Sorry wierchas but I have to laugh at you now You dont know how much fun we had on Vent reading your posts out loud w/e at least my corp is full of idiots --- Teeheee!
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.10 15:22:00 - [81] Now that they got their colors changed and the Gallente whines have quieted down for a bit, it's a good time to nerf the Moros Drone bonus and bring it in line with the other Dreads... Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.10 15:37:00 - [82] Originally by: Lazuran Now that they got their colors changed and the Gallente whines have quieted down for a bit, it's a good time to nerf the Moros Drone bonus and bring it in line with the other Dreads... I hope you are joking. If not, hint: it's called racial diversity. If you "bring moros in line" for being different, you can just as well ban all recons, cause each of them is so much out of line with any other.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:00:00 - [83] I think a better nerf for the moros would be to remove a highslot rather than the drone bonus. Nerfed the ship, kept it different. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Shigsy Sybrite Inc. Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:18:00 - [84] lol at weirchas. I still lub ya
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:07:00 - [85] I havent read the thread so this has probably been mentioned: any target in your gang will be long dead before your sieged dread even gets a lock on it. PAK is recruiting!
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:14:00 - [86] Originally by: Kehmor I havent read the thread so this has probably been mentioned: any target in your gang will be long dead before your sieged dread even gets a lock on it. With exception of Moros. Shoot moros and 1200dps drone come instantly flying at you. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:17:00 - [87] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 10/01/2008 19:19:20 Originally by: Djerin Originally by: Jonny JoJo Theoretical Bullcrap aside Dreads have 1 weakness - any non-capital ship can tackle them. With exception of Moros This weakness that other dreads have is not present in moros. This is unbalanced. You know, when you're in a situation like that where you have to bail out your Dread on your own you're dead. You shouldn't be in such a situation at all. If you still manage to get there something went horribly wrong. No drone bonus is going to help you there. The moros is the only Dread that can survive that situation. This is because of 50% per level drone bonus. The fact that the dread shold not be in that situation is invalid because a dread will get tackled eventually if the pilot has the balls to use it. With capital warfare happining on a scale never seen in eve before, this is a real consideration. Moros was designed in the days where a Dread was originally designed as a BS killer. However, that never happened and eve is different, therefore this bonus is of no use today. Remove it and give it some turret related bonus. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2008.01.11 04:11:00 - [88] Geeze what a bunch of whiners. The Moros is NOT going to get beaten over the head with the nerfbat like the Thanatos did so long ago. LIVE WITH THE FACT that droneships get SUPER AWESOME DRONE BONUSES. DEAL WITH IT. They also get some guns too. Three guns are perfectly in line with the standard drone-type setup. Lots of drones, not lots of guns. Also please realize it is honestly not hard to pop 5 stupid Ogres. Please, please, please deal with it. _________________ Burn.
major lulz11	Posted - 2008.01.11 13:53:00 - [89] Originally by: Kissapasi I have seen gangs with about 8km reps work perfectly and tank incredible amounts. 15km is double of that. OH, OH My GOD.. Ok Without mentioning the Complete Error in logic in this statement Alone lets move on... . . . . . . Look at the Damned Triage mode, iirc It doubles Rep Ammount and Halfs Rep Cycle. That is FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT more rep to Time 200% more rep for your cap. The Same Tank as a Morii In siege, With WAY more fitting Left over. and 3 hi-slots ready to rock. Since your own smart bomb will be killing your drones... other ships in your own fleet, will be killing your drones... lets just pretend you're not using drones.. because rly you wont be.. PS triage gives you.. a) faster locking then a interceptor. b) +4 max locked targets. c) Siege mode tank. d) Siege mode EW Emmunity. e) half cycle time on remotes + double Rep ammount.(accels @ repping small OR Large Ships.)
Vasq Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.11 14:21:00 - [90] Lets just kill this stupid thread right now Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!

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