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Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.09 02:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: Grimpak ...you don't use "all skills at 5" to argue with ship balance... Actually... If you are comparing maximum performance as a balance indicator and don't want to make excessively long posts that no-one will read due to "OFMGWOTDNR" you make numbers accoaring to lvl 5 skills. but only a small percentage of the eve populace has perfect lvl5 skills for setup Y or setup X. thus the reasoning behind "all lvl5 skills" becomes a moot. sure it shows the maximum potential of the ship, but if you're setting up the ship, do you use the "all lvl5 skills" or do you use the skills you have? --- planetary interaction idea!
Flurren	Posted - 2008.01.09 03:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: Grimpak ...you don't use "all skills at 5" to argue with ship balance... Actually... If you are comparing maximum performance as a balance indicator and don't want to make excessively long posts that no-one will read due to "OFMGWOTDNR" you make numbers accoaring to lvl 5 skills. but only a small percentage of the eve populace has perfect lvl5 skills for setup Y or setup X. thus the reasoning behind "all lvl5 skills" becomes a moot. sure it shows the maximum potential of the ship, but if you're setting up the ship, do you use the "all lvl5 skills" or do you use the skills you have? Simply for conviniences sake its assumed that all skills at level 5 will benefit one ship as much as it benefits another so the result can be scaled down to any skill level. Of course there are individual examples where certain ships require more training to use effectively than others but generally talking about exactly how many skills and at what level a pilot is likely to have just leads to pedantic quibbling much like that in this post and doesnt get much done in the long term (if anything can be said to in a public forum).
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.09 03:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Flurren Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: Grimpak ...you don't use "all skills at 5" to argue with ship balance... Actually... If you are comparing maximum performance as a balance indicator and don't want to make excessively long posts that no-one will read due to "OFMGWOTDNR" you make numbers accoaring to lvl 5 skills. but only a small percentage of the eve populace has perfect lvl5 skills for setup Y or setup X. thus the reasoning behind "all lvl5 skills" becomes a moot. sure it shows the maximum potential of the ship, but if you're setting up the ship, do you use the "all lvl5 skills" or do you use the skills you have? Simply for conviniences sake its assumed that all skills at level 5 will benefit one ship as much as it benefits another so the result can be scaled down to any skill level. Of course there are individual examples where certain ships require more training to use effectively than others but generally talking about exactly how many skills and at what level a pilot is likely to have just leads to pedantic quibbling much like that in this post and doesnt get much done in the long term (if anything can be said to in a public forum). true there. --- planetary interaction idea!
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2008.01.09 07:53:00 - [34] Is it just me or is everyone in this thread missing one small but significant point? That being the dread costing like twice what the carrier costs? So even if the Moros is a better support ship than the Thanatos (which without looking at numbers at least at short ranges is fairly likely imho), this probably is not nearly worth the additional cost. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Kissapasi I have been doing some very secret calculations today. First, look at the setups below: Moros & Thanatos The aim of those setups were to create ship that does dps and has two capital remote reppers while being fairly cap stable. Aka the role of a carrier. To my surprise, Thanatos was completely outclassed in nearly every field by its counterpart dread, Moros. What is the point of getting Thanatos when you can get ship that has nearly double its dps, tank and cap recharge while still running two capital remotes? You can make moros completely immune to e-war also! Moros can be run in non-sieged mode when there is no incoming dps or ewar, but when the worst happens, it can be made an super tank! As conclusion, we can clearly see why Thanatos is really obsolate. Moros can do its role better with carrier setup while still being able to transform to pos/capital -killer with another fit! Discuss. Hmmm, EFT ... and that is why you fail ! I feel bad to see a good program used as such by some inept morons. :( Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:38:00 - [36] Edited by: cal nereus on 09/01/2008 09:40:52 Comparing the Moros and the Thanatos is like comparing apples and paper. You eat one of them and write on the other. Different purposes, most of them not involving combat at all, and they each are better than the other at those purposes. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:44:00 - [37] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 09/01/2008 09:45:15 Moros drones are UNBALANCED Remove this 50% per LEVEL drone bonus to stop 1200dps drones and replace it with a bonus that helps moros turrets. I hear 10% cap use per level is a favorate one. Just saying, thats all... This was abroken legacy of eve of 2005 and should be fixed now. Be honest - Moros is OVERPOWERED as it can take on any shiptype that light drones can hit, due to its MASSIVE 50% per level drone bonus. This is wrong and there is NO real reason why the Moros should not have its bonus changed to a pos/capital shooting bonus. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:54:00 - [38] Hay guys what's going on in this thread _________________ Burn.
Blablably	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Hay guys what's going on in this thread If you are gonna fit so many Nanos and Polys you could at least use a MWD
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:03:00 - [40] Heh, that's a good idea. But I don't want to bump the rats out of the belt :( _________________ Burn.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Kissapasi Ok, looks like too many people is missing the point of this thread. So I need to represent a new challenge: Moros setup part 2 Make me a carrier (preferably thanatos) setup that is able to perma-run 3*capital remote reps while having a 2800dps+ tank and 1200dps. (2 million effective hp with lg slaves on top of that). Smartbomb is required for drone countering. (No avatars in gang or gang bonuses, this is calculated without.) And that is with t2/faction only. thanatos,i cannot get it up to that dps,however i swapped how much it tanks with dps... highs:3x capital remote reps,2x true sansha energy vamps. mids:1x capital shield booster,1xDG shield boost amp 2x DG invuls 1x DG photon scattering. lows:6x true sansha power relays. rigs:2x CCCII 1x CCCI(you said tech 2). tanks 2723,produces 1250 and runs perma. Now heres the deal,carriers are much different then dreads,sure you can get a dread more cap stable...But you cannot rep the from the same range,assign your drones,actually hit with max dps,etc. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Pandares Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:41:00 - [42] Apples or oranges, which is the better citrus fruit?
TimMc Gallente Vidar Fierd Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:43:00 - [43] Edited by: TimMc on 09/01/2008 10:45:26 Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Kissapasi Ok, looks like too many people is missing the point of this thread. So I need to represent a new challenge: Moros setup part 2 Make me a carrier (preferably thanatos) setup that is able to perma-run 3capital remote reps while having a 2800dps+ tank and 1200dps. (2 million effective hp with lg slaves on top of that). Smartbomb is required for drone countering. (No avatars in gang or gang bonuses, this is calculated without.) And that is with t2/faction only. thanatos,i cannot get it up to that dps,however i swapped how much it tanks with dps... highs:3x capital remote reps,2x true sansha energy vamps. mids:1x capital shield booster,1xDG shield boost amp 2x DG invuls 1x DG photon scattering. lows:6x true sansha power relays. rigs:2x CCCII 1x CCCI(you said tech 2). tanks 2723,produces 1250 and runs perma. Now heres the deal,carriers are much different then dreads,sure you can get a dread more cap stable...But you cannot rep the from the same range,assign your drones,actually hit with max dps,etc. dude you just fit an amplifier with 6 power relays, thats a waste. Anyway why are you trying to shield tank it? Thanatos slot allotment is ment for armour tanking. I don't fly capitals yet, so I will not pretend no know how to fit them, but I can say all of the ones I've seen here have been horribly wrong. If we are going to go on about ******* setups, then how about this? Edit: wow I cannot believe that they star out that word.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:52:00 - [44] Originally by: TimMc Edited by: TimMc on 09/01/2008 10:45:26 Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Kissapasi Ok, looks like too many people is missing the point of this thread. So I need to represent a new challenge: Moros setup part 2 Make me a carrier (preferably thanatos) setup that is able to perma-run 3capital remote reps while having a 2800dps+ tank and 1200dps. (2 million effective hp with lg slaves on top of that). Smartbomb is required for drone countering. (No avatars in gang or gang bonuses, this is calculated without.) And that is with t2/faction only. thanatos,i cannot get it up to that dps,however i swapped how much it tanks with dps... highs:3x capital remote reps,2x true sansha energy vamps. mids:1x capital shield booster,1xDG shield boost amp 2x DG invuls 1x DG photon scattering. lows:6x true sansha power relays. rigs:2x CCCII 1x CCCI(you said tech 2). tanks 2723,produces 1250 and runs perma. Now heres the deal,carriers are much different then dreads,sure you can get a dread more cap stable...But you cannot rep the from the same range,assign your drones,actually hit with max dps,etc. dude you just fit an amplifier with 6 power relays, thats a waste. Anyway why are you trying to shield tank it? Thanatos slot allotment is ment for armour tanking. I don't fly capitals yet, so I will not pretend no know how to fit them, but I can say all of the ones I've seen here have been horribly wrong. If we are going to go on about ******* setups, then how about this? Edit: wow I cannot believe that they star out that word. This guy asked for that type of setup and i gave him what EFT said as he's obviously playing EFT rather then eve,i would never setup a thanatos like that but in order to follow those before said specifications it called for shield tanking. Signature removed. Contains no Eve content. Navigator ([email protected])
Kissapasi Kissapasi Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:43:00 - [45] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Kissapasi Ok, looks like too many people is missing the point of this thread. So I need to represent a new challenge: Moros setup part 2 Make me a carrier (preferably thanatos) setup that is able to perma-run 3*capital remote reps while having a 2800dps+ tank and 1200dps. (2 million effective hp with lg slaves on top of that). Smartbomb is required for drone countering. (No avatars in gang or gang bonuses, this is calculated without.) And that is with t2/faction only. thanatos,i cannot get it up to that dps,however i swapped how much it tanks with dps... highs:3x capital remote reps,2x true sansha energy vamps. mids:1x capital shield booster,1xDG shield boost amp 2x DG invuls 1x DG photon scattering. lows:6x true sansha power relays. rigs:2x CCCII 1x CCCI(you said tech 2). tanks 2723,produces 1250 and runs perma. Now heres the deal,carriers are much different then dreads,sure you can get a dread more cap stable...But you cannot rep the from the same range,assign your drones,actually hit with max dps,etc. Hello, I just did a new setup for moros. Moros, 4 remotes How about perma running FOUR capital remotes while dealing 1100dps+ and tanking 3000? I think moros is still the winner.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:53:00 - [46] this thread is funny.. moros as a logistic platform is rather pointless waste of isk. use it as it was intended... blowing stuff up ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue
Amanda Eidolo Cult of the Spinning Meat	Posted - 2008.01.09 12:13:00 - [47] Can't you people see the point in this thread? After I started browsing through this thread in a ferrocolossal boredom, ready to faintly turn into gorridiumcolossal boredom, I realised you people are insufficient to find the point in this thread. You should spend some time, thinking about the point in here. I personally realised the point, it was crystal clear like a pond in midst of a thick forest, frozen up like the brains of yours. In the end if you can't understand why this thread is here, you should all go and post something even faintly smart. I should now say something about your mothers, that would be horrible and totally inhuman, but I won't. Have a nice day, really. PS: Pineapples are in the fridge. Go check them out.
Flurren	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:07:00 - [48] Edited by: Flurren on 09/01/2008 13:09:03 Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Can't you people see the point in this thread? After I started browsing through this thread in a ferrocolossal boredom, ready to faintly turn into gorridiumcolossal boredom, I realised you people are insufficient to find the point in this thread. You should spend some time, thinking about the point in here. I personally realised the point, it was crystal clear like a pond in midst of a thick forest, frozen up like the brains of yours. In the end if you can't understand why this thread is here, you should all go and post something even faintly smart. I should now say something about your mothers, that would be horrible and totally inhuman, but I won't. Have a nice day, really. PS: Pineapples are in the fridge. Go check them out. If nobody ever realises and points it out in an obvious fashion itll be incredibly traumatic to the OP hence we're all going along with it in a variety of cruel mass conspiracy in the hope that this will incur an epiphany and possibly encourage him to join a nunnery. That you didnt realise this fact shows your personal ineptness and i have to say on cold winter nights there will be a warm place in my heart just for you.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Can't you people see the point in this thread? After I started browsing through this thread in a ferrocolossal boredom, ready to faintly turn into gorridiumcolossal boredom, I realised you people are insufficient to find the point in this thread. You should spend some time, thinking about the point in here. I personally realised the point, it was crystal clear like a pond in midst of a thick forest, frozen up like the brains of yours. In the end if you can't understand why this thread is here, you should all go and post something even faintly smart. I should now say something about your mothers, that would be horrible and totally inhuman, but I won't. Have a nice day, really. PS: Pineapples are in the fridge. Go check them out. i see the point of this thread an op is total idiot who got no idea about game mechanic, ship use, is generaly noob with few mils sp or so just find an eft and things that he can make good setups ( well tho setting everything at lvl 5 ofc) cant read ship descriptions , or got idea about ships bonuses and mostly possible got his char from ebay
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:28:00 - [50] Edited by: Niffetin on 09/01/2008 13:28:27 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Can't you people see the point in this thread? After I started browsing through this thread in a ferrocolossal boredom, ready to faintly turn into gorridiumcolossal boredom, I realised you people are insufficient to find the point in this thread. You should spend some time, thinking about the point in here. I personally realised the point, it was crystal clear like a pond in midst of a thick forest, frozen up like the brains of yours. In the end if you can't understand why this thread is here, you should all go and post something even faintly smart. I should now say something about your mothers, that would be horrible and totally inhuman, but I won't. Have a nice day, really. PS: Pineapples are in the fridge. Go check them out. i see the point of this thread an op is total idiot who got no idea about game mechanic, ship use, is generaly noob with few mils sp or so just find an eft and things that he can make good setups ( well tho setting everything at lvl 5 ofc) cant read ship descriptions , or got idea about ships bonuses and mostly possible got his char from ebay
Kissapasi Kissapasi Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:31:00 - [51] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i see the point of this thread an op is total idiot who got no idea about game mechanic, ship use, is generaly noob with few mils sp or so just find an eft and things that he can make good setups ( well tho setting everything at lvl 5 ofc) cant read ship descriptions , or got idea about ships bonuses and mostly possible got his char from ebay Please explain how thanatos setup is more effective than moros when the fight is happening under 15km range. I see moros beating it in nearly every possible way.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Kissapasi Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i see the point of this thread an op is total idiot who got no idea about game mechanic, ship use, is generaly noob with few mils sp or so just find an eft and things that he can make good setups ( well tho setting everything at lvl 5 ofc) cant read ship descriptions , or got idea about ships bonuses and mostly possible got his char from ebay Please explain how thanatos setup is more effective than moros when the fight is happening under 15km range. I see moros beating it in nearly every possible way. well i put this way if u wold be in my corp and i was your fc, after hearing in ts that u bringing support moros i would first blow up your ship thne boot u from corp
Kissapasi Kissapasi Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:42:00 - [53] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter well i put this way if u wold be in my corp and i was your fc, after hearing in ts that u bringing support moros i would first blow up your ship thne boot u from corp Good luck that you arent my fc, since it looks like you cant use any sensible arguments to back up your opinion. Aggressive beahivour makes me unable to see your point btw. The thread's point is to compare Moros and Thanatos as a support ship. It also has a great value of surprise to have a moros as support, since none will expect it. Not that it performs bad at all, it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:46:00 - [54] Originally by: Kissapasi Not that it performs bad at all, it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi 15km. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Kissapasi Originally by: wierchas noobhunter well i put this way if u wold be in my corp and i was your fc, after hearing in ts that u bringing support moros i would first blow up your ship thne boot u from corp Good luck that you arent my fc, since it looks like you cant use any sensible arguments to back up your opinion. Aggressive beahivour makes me unable to see your point btw. The thread's point is to compare Moros and Thanatos as a support ship. It also has a great value of surprise to have a moros as support, since none will expect it. Not that it performs bad at all, it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km. how much capital fights go under range of 15 km and your " outperforming " idea is not that good actually i don't see single spot where moros would outperform thanatos as a support ship
Kissapasi Kissapasi Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:49:00 - [56] Edited by: Kissapasi on 09/01/2008 13:51:01 Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Kissapasi Not that it performs bad at all, it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi 15km. As you know, many remote rep gangs work under this range anyways, so the moros could provide them with excellent support. Under close ranges the Ogre II:s dont have to travel far, so their slower speed isn't a problem. Originally by: wierchas noobhunter how much capital fights go under range of 15 km and your " outperforming " idea is not that good actually i don't see single spot where moros would outperform thanatos as a support ship Thana can be able to run 2*rr with sensible setups, while moros can run 3-4.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:51:00 - [57] My experience shows that in capital gangs, let alone fastmoving support, even the 52km of a carrier is not enough oftentimes. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:52:00 - [58] Originally by: Kissapasi Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Kissapasi Not that it performs bad at all, it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi it actually outperforms thanatos under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi under 15km. Originally by: Kissapasi 15km. As you know, many remote rep gangs work under this range anyways, so the moros could provide them with excellent support. Under close ranges the Ogre II:s dont have to travel far, so their slower speed isn't a problem. why do u even thing about damage of support ships ? support is not about damage and still carier can repair way more cos they got more hight slots then dreads and special module to boost there logistic abilitys
Kissapasi Kissapasi Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:02:00 - [59] Originally by: Sokratesz Try lag & people warping in and out alot, then see if you can keep an entire fleet within 15km. Doesn't work. If the fleet is doing what it should be, no one should be warping out anyways. If you drift because of lag, thats your own fault for not stopping the ship. And tbh, this setup is more aimed at smaller skirmishes with capital support than a 0.0 lagfestblob-borefights.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Kissapasi Edited by: Kissapasi on 09/01/2008 13:58:15 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter why do u even thing about damage of support ships ? support is not about damage and still carier can repair way more cos they got more hight slots then dreads and special module to boost there logistic abilitys The damage is just added bonus of course. Triage module holds you up for 10 minutes. In untriaged/sieged mode, moros repairs 2more than the thana does. If you want to rep more in carrier, please show me a sensible setup that runs 5 capital remote. Originally by: Sokratesz My experience shows that in capital gangs, let alone fastmoving support, even the 52km of a carrier is not enough oftentimes. How about a situation when everything is prepared and you sit under 1000m from each other? Plan more and use tactics so you dont have to fail with range. u know i give up u should show your alliance and i have respect for paitsi sindicate well one lees coll alliance i think

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