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Squatdog
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.09 11:45:00 -
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Okay, I'm flying a Drake from my corp's POS and spend about an hour every night ratting as my main source of income while training to Interceptors.
On average, I seem to be getting around 6m per hour, not including all the crap I haul to the nearest Outpost once a week. Is this a reasonable level or efficency or am I a dumbass for not training to a Raven?
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2008.01.09 11:55:00 -
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6m a hour ??
are you ratting in low sec ? OR in drone region?
whit a system of about 6-10 belt you should get ALOT more isk.... even whit a drake
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Poldarn Joaq
Hooligans Of War
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.09 11:59:00 -
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0.0 ratting. The amount of isk depends on the spawns in the system that you are in. Once you have found a system that is reliably spawning BSs you can easily make 30 mil in an hour. Train for a raven, it makes life easier.
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Sazeh Dova
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:00:00 -
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cruiser ... sansha ... crap 0.0 ... noob skills .... and i was making 5 mil per hour average from bounties and 15 mil per hour from loot
are you making 6 mil in bounties only?
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Percible
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Squatdog
Okay, I'm flying a Drake from my corp's POS and spend about an hour every night ratting as my main source of income while training to Interceptors.
On average, I seem to be getting around 6m per hour, not including all the crap I haul to the nearest Outpost once a week. Is this a reasonable level or efficency or am I a dumbass for not training to a Raven?
I made about 50-60 mil (not including the modules I kept) ratting angels last night. I used an ion blaster II, semi decent tanked deimos.
I ended up chaining some cherubs and nephs, and then finally hit a domi spawn, which per my usual luck...had nothing but some faction ammo and a tag. The bounty was about 10-mil on him though.
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Patso Tappaja
Paisti
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:10:00 -
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use least 2x BCU IIs and kill everything on the belts and hope that you get faction spawns. This way you should least make 15mil/hour.
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Squatdog
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:27:00 -
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I have NEVER got a single faction spawn outside an anomaly.
I'm not sure of the exact figure per hour, but it seems to be around 6m-8m on average. I usually only bother with BS spawns or multiple BCs and salvage anything above a cruiser.
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atrophocy
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:40:00 -
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you know the trick about chaining right? actually, based on what you said above, i guess not.
To make decent isk off a system, you gotta set it up first. Kill off any spawn that isnt worth keeping. if it's all cruisers and frigs, kill them all. if it's 500k or 650k battleships and frigs or w/e; a sucky Battlships spawn, kill the lot. Something else will spawn in it's place after a while, hopefully it's better 
when you find a good spawn, say 3 x 1.25m battleships and 3 friggies, make sure you leave one ship alive. This way the rest of the spawn will respawn in a bit. exactly the same. If you kill them all, something new will spawn. Another good idea, is to damage one of the frigs into armor, this way it wont despawn, as they like to do after a while, taking the chained battleships with it.
After a while of killing off the useless spawns and chaining the good ones, you'll get a system with 3m+ in bounties in almost every belt, which means alot of isk/hour.
Can i be a Paper Panther? same as a Paper Tiger but with alliteration to boot
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Squatdog
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:43:00 -
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Incidently, is there some magical technique to get faction spawns? I've seen a bunch of Loyal Sanshas but no True Sansha spawns that would quadruple my ISK takings. I leave a single rat alive in each belt to keep the chain going.
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Percible
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: atrophocy
you know the trick about chaining right? actually, based on what you said above, i guess not.
To make decent isk off a system, you gotta set it up first. Kill off any spawn that isnt worth keeping. if it's all cruisers and frigs, kill them all. if it's 500k or 650k battleships and frigs or w/e; a sucky Battlships spawn, kill the lot. Something else will spawn in it's place after a while, hopefully it's better
when you find a good spawn, say 3 x 1.25m battleships and 3 friggies, make sure you leave one ship alive. This way the rest of the spawn will respawn in a bit. exactly the same. If you kill them all, something new will spawn. Another good idea, is to damage one of the frigs into armor, this way it wont despawn, as they like to do after a while, taking the chained battleships with it.
After a while of killing off the useless spawns and chaining the good ones, you'll get a system with 3m+ in bounties in almost every belt, which means alot of isk/hour.
One of my alliance mates schooled me on this last night, and I followed that recipe to the fullest. It works great. Once I started getting cherubs to spawn I'd kill everything except for a single frig. The next time I'd roll into that belt there would be a single Cherub, but once I started shooting him, 2 more would spawn. At 1.7 mil per ship, that turns into some nice isk per hour, especially if you can kill them quickly.
The domi spawn was sitting in a belt I wasn't even working very hard.
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atrophocy
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Squatdog
Incidently, is there some magical technique to get faction spawns? I've seen a bunch of Loyal Sanshas but no True Sansha spawns that would quadruple my ISK takings. I leave a single rat alive in each belt to keep the chain going.
no. no magic formula. Faction spawns are purely chance based and are influenced only by the true sec status of the system. ie, the lower it is, more chance of a faction spawn.
Can i be a Paper Panther? same as a Paper Tiger but with alliteration to boot
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.09 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Squatdog
Okay, I'm flying a Drake from my corp's POS and spend about an hour every night ratting as my main source of income while training to Interceptors.
On average, I seem to be getting around 6m per hour, not including all the crap I haul to the nearest Outpost once a week. Is this a reasonable level or efficency or am I a dumbass for not training to a Raven?
6m an hour? Ouch. I hope that's just bad luck or poor choices. I average 15mil to 20mil running L4s in Empire 
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.09 13:22:00 -
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you can make 70m an hour ratting or sumthing like that I was told.. with a raven la la
but 70m an hour .. do you think thats alot I dont for the time put in .. Missions gain more then this.
When I use to play eve alot .. I didnt get out of bed for less then 150m an hour -)
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Squatdog
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.09 13:25:00 -
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Bear in mind that I usually rat for under an hour before doing something more enjoyable and rewarding, such as trimming my toenails.
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Koppite
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Posted - 2008.01.09 13:27:00 -
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chain the belts...after few hours if u lucky you will most likely have 1m+ BS's in every belt. just make sure u tell any noobs in local what you are doing...nothing worse than some tool coming in and blowing up all the remaining frigs ...
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Stavro Mueller
2000 Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.09 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Stavro Mueller on 09/01/2008 13:40:19
Originally by: Squatdog
Bear in mind that I usually rat for under an hour before doing something more enjoyable and rewarding, such as trimming my toenails.
QF Nice Sig before the mods spot it.
Stav.
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corroded
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Posted - 2008.01.09 15:19:00 -
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well, all these examples of people getting great isk from ratting usually means theyre in a good true sec system and spend a few hours pruning the belts before those iskies start to roll.
for just one hour of ratting, its ok. a good chain may take a couple of hours if youre unlucky.
as an example, i always have the worst of luck with spawns, so for me about 10-12 mill an hour is good.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.09 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Koppite
chain the belts...after few hours if u lucky you will most likely have 1m+ BS's in every belt. just make sure u tell any noobs in local what you are doing...nothing worse than some tool coming in and blowing up all the remaining frigs...
Not really. Some systems are just incapable of having 1m BS spawns. Additionally, rats will move from one belt to another on occasion. I'd be surprised if you could get more then 50% of the belts covered w/ spawns.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.09 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 09/01/2008 15:50:06
Originally by: Ryan Scouse'UK
you can make 70m an hour ratting or sumthing like that I was told.. with a raven la la
but 70m an hour .. do you think thats alot I dont for the time put in .. Missions gain more then this.
Like hell they do! Running a really good L4 agent in a lag free system might possibly average in excess of 20mil an hour but it'd be hard work.
Of course occasionally you luck out - I know someone who logged on early Christmas day while his family were still asleep and got GE4. Ended up with a DG Invul. Even before loot that's 320mil an hour. OTOH I think it's the first time he's got any faction loot of GE4 in over six months so the average isn't quite so good.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.09 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
but 70m an hour .. do you think thats alot I dont for the time put in .. Missions gain more then this.
Like hell they do! Running a really good L4 agent in a lag free system might possibly average in excess of 20mil an hour but it'd be hard work.
Of course occasionally you luck out - I know someone who logged on early Christmas day while his family were still asleep and got GE4. Ended up with a DG Invul. Even before loot that's 320mil an hour. OTOH I think it's the first time he's got any faction loot of GE4 in over six months so the average isn't quite so good.
I make roughly 20-25M/hr with a (slight) faction raven and a Maelstrom missioning together in just bounties... when you calculate in the loot that I pick up, maybe 27-30M/hr running missions.
-Liang
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.09 17:53:00 -
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Some systems are just incapable of having 1m BS spawns.
This is, as I see, it, the main problem with 0.0. Far too many systems 'wasted' with poor true sec status and not very good belt spawns.
The best systems are truly amazing and if you can rat in peace and not have other people messing up your chains, easily out earns hi sec missioning.
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Stela'Artois
Los Gordos
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Posted - 2008.01.09 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Stela''Artois on 09/01/2008 18:33:42
I used a Drake to PVE in 0.0 when I first arrived there thinking it would do the job just fine, and it does, but a raven is much more efficient in the long run. Eventually I started using an apocalypse/armageddon because I got tired of having to reload/buy torps back in the day. But...that is another thread.
6m is somewhat low on the 0.0 ratting side per hour. But it sounds more like an issue with the system you are in. As has been mentioned, some systems just wont spawn BS's worth more than 650k or so.
So, so sum up. 1. Try out a raven. 2. Try moving to a lower sec 0.0 system if it is safe enough to.
P.S. Oh...and if I am not mistaken...the "Drake" in your sig is actually a hen mallard...unless I am missing the joke.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.09 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Andrue
but 70m an hour .. do you think thats alot I dont for the time put in .. Missions gain more then this.
Like hell they do! Running a really good L4 agent in a lag free system might possibly average in excess of 20mil an hour but it'd be hard work.
Of course occasionally you luck out - I know someone who logged on early Christmas day while his family were still asleep and got GE4. Ended up with a DG Invul. Even before loot that's 320mil an hour. OTOH I think it's the first time he's got any faction loot of GE4 in over six months so the average isn't quite so good.
I make roughly 20-25M/hr with a (slight) faction raven and a Maelstrom missioning together in just bounties... when you calculate in the loot that I pick up, maybe 27-30M/hr running missions.
-Liang
Divided by two is 12m to 15mil - pretty much what I wrote in the first place 
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Haradgrim
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.01.09 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 09/01/2008 20:22:04
First of all, I was suprised (pleasently) that BotS exists in EVE, I remember you guys from Velious era EQ1 (reading every tier 1 guild's web page for first time kills) ..... now thats a trip....
On topic:
I agree with what has been said in this thread; drake is good for 0.0 PVE but a Raven is better and faster.
My question to the ISK gurus: How do you find good ratting systems? I usually rat in systems that are occupied by my alliance but they a) tend to be busy so its harder to find targets, and b) don't have that many belts because the reason that system was chosen for tactical reasons. How do I find a good place to set up a "hunting lodge" of sorts?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
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Menzies Campbell
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Posted - 2008.01.09 20:45:00 -
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http://www.ombeve.co.uk/
Look for:
Lowest "True" Sec Status
Most Belts
Distance from friendly POS/Station/Empire.
Also, cross-reference with your in-game map to see how many people on average rat in that system, shown by average pilots active in past 30mins (or is it an hour?) and rats killed in past 24hrs.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.09 20:47:00 -
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get a good battleship pilot!
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Haradgrim
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.01.09 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Menzies Campbell
http://www.ombeve.co.uk/
Look for:
Lowest "True" Sec Status
Most Belts
Distance from friendly POS/Station/Empire.
Also, cross-reference with your in-game map to see how many people on average rat in that system, shown by average pilots active in past 30mins (or is it an hour?) and rats killed in past 24hrs.
OMG a constructive answer on the EVE-O forums! What is this 2004?? Heh, thanks thats actually very useful
Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Squatdog
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.10 00:33:00 -
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I think the main problem is I don't invest enough time to actually get a proper chain going and ignore any non-BS belt.
The highest spawn is a double 1.25m and the other night I got a quadruple BS Hauler spawn that dropped over 10m+ Trit, 4m Pyrite and 5k Megacyte. I had fun hauling it all back to the POS...
P.S. Oh...and if I am not mistaken...the "Drake" in your sig is actually a hen mallard...unless I am missing the joke.
OMG I stand corrected!1
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Esab
Caldari
Spectrum Solutions INC
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 00:54:00 -
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Having played for a few years now and tried most aspects of the game out I have come to the conclusion that whatever path you take if you are prepared to put the time and effort in that on average (solo) 100 mill a day is realistic.
This is from someone who has not dabbled in the tech 2 side of things or played the markets (I know the markets can be very profitable if you have the head for it as a friend of mine does and has had good results...unfortunatly I am hopeless at it)
There is a fine line between playing EvE and having a life though and things like family...friends and beer often win over the 'lets make isk' situation.
Start bringing factors in such as multiple accounts and lots of free time though Im sure this can be increased.
At the end of the day its a game and CCP keep dangling juicy carrots which make us all put the effort in to get a bite of them. I guess thats why we all keep playing!
It comes down to how desperatly you want a bite and how much you are prepared to split your life between pixels and the big wide world.
Im guilty of spending too much time making isk but also have had weeks where I have barely played...if I had to average it all out Id guess that the isk per hour is actually quite low.
Most of all...try not to get isk addicted and just enjoy the chat channel with a game attached to it !
:-)
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Squatdog
DROW Org
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:03:00 -
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Just looked it up, and the system I rat in has a -0.35 true rating.
That's fairly decent isn't it?
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