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Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:16:00 - [1] Let's get this out of the way first, in case anyone doubts it: Selling at exorbitant prices in 0.0 is a good thing. If you sell at lower prices, a hostile entity will come along and buy up your stock and reprice it higher. If you sell at lower prices, people will stockpile and when someone genuinely needs a module/ammo/whatever, it won't be available. To put it another way, if you sell at lower prices, you: Decrease the likelihood that friendly pilots will have access to whatever you're selling, and/or Act as a low-paid courier service for your enemies (and competitors). Now, let's look at the tactic of buying out lower-priced competitors in order to set the price to a higher level of your choosing (assuming you're doing so in a friendly station, are selling some items you've brought down on your own, and intend to sell primarily to friendly pilots). Now, you: Make no change in the availability of the item in question (it was already available, after all, before you did anything). Decrease the likelihood that friendly pilots can afford your wares. Or, to sum it up, you cause friendlies to pay more than they would in an unmanipulated market for no corresponding increase in item availability. -- As such, I present: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0801/Taiko.PNG http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0801/Taiko2.PNG When I confronted him, he had this to say: [ 2008.01.10 13:10:10 ] Taiyo Takeda > You go right ahead and tell them. [ 2008.01.10 13:10:44 ] Taiyo Takeda > I cleaned out a few very old orders so that the outpost sale markets would be neat and orderly, and put my own up at my usual pricing. [ 2008.01.10 13:10:51 ] Taiyo Takeda > If you want to try and villify me for that, you go right ahead. So, BRUCE members--do you appreciate this member's behavior? Do you think he's serving your best interests by repricing in this manner? To all ZERO. investors--fear not. He's already been undercut. If he wants to keep buying me out at my already-exorbitant prices, I certainly intend to let him do so. I have a good reason for publicizing this. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:16:00 - [2] Let's get this out of the way first, in case anyone doubts it: Selling at exorbitant prices in 0.0 is a good thing. If you sell at lower prices, a hostile entity will come along and buy up your stock and reprice it higher. If you sell at lower prices, people will stockpile and when someone genuinely needs a module/ammo/whatever, it won't be available. To put it another way, if you sell at lower prices, you: Decrease the likelihood that friendly pilots will have access to whatever you're selling, and/or Act as a low-paid courier service for your enemies (and competitors). Now, let's look at the tactic of buying out lower-priced competitors in order to set the price to a higher level of your choosing (assuming you're doing so in a friendly station, are selling some items you've brought down on your own, and intend to sell primarily to friendly pilots). Now, you: Make no change in the availability of the item in question (it was already available, after all, before you did anything). Decrease the likelihood that friendly pilots can afford your wares. Or, to sum it up, you cause friendlies to pay more than they would in an unmanipulated market for no corresponding increase in item availability. -- As such, I present: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0801/Taiko.PNG http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0801/Taiko2.PNG When I confronted him, he had this to say: [ 2008.01.10 13:10:10 ] Taiyo Takeda > You go right ahead and tell them. [ 2008.01.10 13:10:44 ] Taiyo Takeda > I cleaned out a few very old orders so that the outpost sale markets would be neat and orderly, and put my own up at my usual pricing. [ 2008.01.10 13:10:51 ] Taiyo Takeda > If you want to try and villify me for that, you go right ahead. So, BRUCE members--do you appreciate this member's behavior? Do you think he's serving your best interests by repricing in this manner? To all ZERO. investors--fear not. He's already been undercut. If he wants to keep buying me out at my already-exorbitant prices, I certainly intend to let him do so. I have a good reason for publicizing this. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
YouGotRipped Gallente Ewigkeit Galactic Research	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:34:00 - [3] Can someone tell me where this nice lady is selling stuff? I want to undercut here too.
YouGotRipped Gallente Ewigkeit Galactic Research	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:34:00 - [4] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/01/2008 14:41:09 Can someone tell me where this nice lady is selling stuff? I want to undercut her too. ---- typo Oooh, Fountain. Ask me about price compression.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:35:00 - [5] I was once ridiculed for saying selling at Jita Prices in the drone regions was an exercise in futility..... Can't complain if he does this kind of marketing, if people buy it then he gets to keep the money, is the problem that his alliance has a policy against this? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:35:00 - [6] I was once ridiculed for saying selling at Jita Prices in the drone regions was an exercise in futility..... Can't complain if he does this kind of marketing, if people buy it then he gets to keep the money, is the problem that his alliance has a policy against this? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.10 14:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Motivated Prophet To all ZERO. investors--fear not. I think your investors have enough on their plates wondering when/if the next dividend is coming http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043 Largest Empire Research Alliance in EVE!
Richard Kitan United Space Republic Research	Posted - 2008.01.10 15:01:00 - [8] Back when I used to live in Deklein and Branch my alliance had a rule that anything sold up there needed to be priced at Empire prices. I tried to explain to them how this would just result in nothing being available on the market because if I had to sell at Empire prices, why wouldn't I just sell in Empire where logistics are much easier and it would sell much quicker, and I didn't need to pay for isotopes to jump things up on the carrier, but they didn't care. Of course, this wound up making it so that nothing except juggernaut torpedoes was available on the market. There was also a hostile that lived in a station further down in Dek that bought anything that was sold at reasonable prices on the market and resold them at high prices. The reasoning that my alliance leaders had given for requiring us to price things at empire prices was that they didn't want us gouging alliance mates. Well hell, I have no problem putting up a couple ships on Alliance contracts for my buddies, but on the open market, let the market determine the price. -- Richard Kitan Builder of Stuff
YouGotRipped Gallente Ewigkeit Galactic Research	Posted - 2008.01.10 15:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Richard Kitan There was also a hostile (the big bad wolf) that lived in a station further down in Dek that bought anything that was sold at reasonable prices on the market and resold them at high prices. The reasoning that my alliance leaders had given for requiring us to price things at empire prices was that they didn't want us gouging alliance mates. Well hell, I have no problem putting up a couple ships on Alliance contracts for my buddies, but on the open market, let the market determine the price. I don't know about the rest but I find this part extremely funny.
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 16:53:00 - [10] What am I looking at with the pictures? That he ask much for an item? I do this all the time in hostile stations. If you put stuff up for low prices, you are asking to be bought out and seeing your stuff for higher prices on the market. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Seideberg The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:16:00 - [11] Damn that selfish, freeloading Taiyo Takeda and his exploitation of BRUCE!
Monty Kvaran Caldari Consolidated Sprocket	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:18:00 - [12] I'm a bit new at this, but can someone explain how a person buying your stuff is bad? Unless he is shooting it at you what do you care what he does with it? .
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:30:00 - [13] First I have to say Ricdic's post gave me a chuckle. Second, I am a bit confused. Is this a serious thread? If so what exactly is the problem here? It looks like a whine thread... am I wrong in getting that impression? Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Tabet Saens The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:32:00 - [14] All I can tell from the images you posted, is that Taiyo put on the market "armored warfare specialist" skill books for 2.5million. Is there something inherently bad with that? I don't quite understand the point of the OP, with regards to the images linked. What exactly do the pictures show again?
Viilaa Caldari OH Corp	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Tabet Saens All I can tell from the images you posted, is that Taiyo put on the market "armored warfare specialist" skill books for 2.5million. Is there something inherently bad with that? I don't quite understand the point of the OP, with regards to the images linked. What exactly do the pictures show again? He is saying that Taiyo paid 2.5M for them and is selling them for 22.5M. Personally thats a nice markup.. Where can I make that kind of profit ? If people are willing to pay 22.5M for that book at that location then that is the price no matter what it costs elsewhere. Viilaa
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:33:00 - [16] This is nothing new. Happens all the time in 0.0 markets. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Tandori Tanaka Tanaka Stuff and Supplies	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Shadarle Second, I am a bit confused. Is this a serious thread? If so what exactly is the problem here? It looks like a whine thread... am I wrong in getting that impression? MP lost access to all that nice outposts when the war hit fountain. Now hes basically complaining about that someone else picked up his business and plays with the markets now. Instead of adapting, he is posting this as an futile attempt to get rid of his competitor. So yes, its just a whine
Tabet Saens The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Viilaa Originally by: Tabet Saens All I can tell from the images you posted, is that Taiyo put on the market "armored warfare specialist" skill books for 2.5million. Is there something inherently bad with that? I don't quite understand the point of the OP, with regards to the images linked. What exactly do the pictures show again? He is saying that Taiyo paid 2.5M for them and is selling them for 22.5M. Personally thats a nice markup.. Where can I make that kind of profit ? If people are willing to pay 22.5M for that book at that location then that is the price no matter what it costs elsewhere. Viilaa The picture does not indicate that at all. The books are listed at 2,500,000.01. That's 1 cent over 2.5million ISK. He's selling 9 of them at that price. Using my trusty calculator, 9 books at that price = 22,500,000,09. The image does not show that last 9 cents, because it covers it up. However that's all we're seeing. So, again, what exactly is the problem here? Is 2.5mil for that book in fountain an outrageous price? I wouldn't think so. A few battleship rats cover that easily. BTW, Taiyo is not my alt, but a friend of mine.
Benvie Benvie Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:26:00 - [19] Those screenshots don't show what the books were repriced at........... Also lol @ Ricdic. Welcome to the club with us in Tinydot.
Phaedriel	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:32:00 - [20] Can I assume that because someone bought something that you were trying to sell, at the price you asked for, is the cause you aren't happy? Does anyone else see where the OP might be the cause of his own unhappiness here? Golden Rule: Offer to sell things for a price you want to sell them for... If someone buys them, BE HAPPY, you achieved exactly what you wanted... Some people are never happy... Perhaps you should: a) keep bringing it to the station if you're happy with the markup you have b) keep bringing it to the station and price it 10 isk below his prices. If he buys you out, you've made a huge profit, if not, you'll sell yours first at least...
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Tandori Tanaka MP lost access to all that nice outposts Originally by: Phaedriel a) keep bringing it to the station if you're happy with the markup you have listening to someone whine in MD about missing out about potential profits: priceless
Auri Hella Anqara Industries Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:08:00 - [22] Thread title is highly amusing if you know whose alt Taiyo is
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Phaedriel Can I assume that because someone bought something that you were trying to sell, at the price you asked for, is the cause you aren't happy? Does anyone else see where the OP might be the cause of his own unhappiness here? Golden Rule: Offer to sell things for a price you want to sell them for... If someone buys them, BE HAPPY, you achieved exactly what you wanted... Some people are never happy... Perhaps you should: a) keep bringing it to the station if you're happy with the markup you have b) keep bringing it to the station and price it 10 isk below his prices. If he buys you out, you've made a huge profit, if not, you'll sell yours first at least... I'm thrilled that he's buying me out at the prices I'm selling at. I picked those prices because I was quite happy to sell at them, and I still am. He's giving me more volume in five minutes than I'd gotten on a couple of those books in five months. I'm simply alerting BRUCE that he's screwing them over. I chose a poor screenshot; I'm remedy that in a bit. A better example would be him buying out 10 Production Efficiency skillbooks (NPC price: 225k, my price: 750k) and repricing them at 2m apiece. The chosen screenshot just demonstrates that he's an idiot (buying out my stock and then reselling them at the same price is not the work of a market genius, methinks). There's been a lot of static, but I have yet to hear a BRUCE member express happiness that they're paying more for their skillbooks. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:59:00 - [24] Still trying to figure out the point to this thread. Things like this are hardly new or news. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Fader Bane Black Knight Buccaneers Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Motivated Prophet To all ZERO. investors--fear not. I think your investors have enough on their plates wondering when/if the next dividend is coming so true it has potential for derailment. ________________________________________
Dagam GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:16:00 - [26] motivated prophet has an alt in AXE
Outa Rileau Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.01.11 03:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Dagam motivated prophet has an alt in AXE If this is true, point please? ------------------------- OMG YELLOW TXT!
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.11 04:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Outa Rileau Originally by: Dagam motivated prophet has an alt in AXE If this is true, point please? that his main is in AXE is common knowledge for a long time. What is not so common is who that main is, a select few know, but most likely wont spill those beans for reasons of trust, promises or morales. --
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.11 05:34:00 - [29] I REALLY must be missing something here. If a newb made this thread we'd have shouted him off the forums... the fact that MP made it makes this even more pathetic. If this was truly good for you then you wouldn't be posting about it, you'd be trying to exploit it. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Professor Pardal	Posted - 2008.01.11 07:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Motivated Prophet I'm thrilled that he's buying me out at the prices I'm selling at. I picked those prices because I was quite happy to sell at them, and I still am. He's giving me more volume in five minutes than I'd gotten on a couple of those books in five months. I'm simply alerting BRUCE that he's screwing them over. MP 1- Coming to the forum crying is pathetic. 2- If you wanna warn them do it by private means. If i was the other guy i would accuse you of harassment. 3- If you are so worried about BRUCE member wallets just keep bringing more books and undercutting by massive amounts the competition. 4- If i where you before i had any major information on TINY i would stay low profile.
Professor Pardal	Posted - 2008.01.11 07:04:00 - [31] Originally by: Shadarle I REALLY must be missing something here. If a newb made this thread we'd have shouted him off the forums... the fact that MP made it makes this even more pathetic. Who says he isn¦t a newb?
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.11 07:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Professor Pardal Originally by: Shadarle I REALLY must be missing something here. If a newb made this thread we'd have shouted him off the forums... the fact that MP made it makes this even more pathetic. Who says he isn¦t a newb? He's prob played longer than you have. That said, your previous post was pretty much on target. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Professor Pardal	Posted - 2008.01.11 07:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Professor Pardal Originally by: Shadarle I REALLY must be missing something here. If a newb made this thread we'd have shouted him off the forums... the fact that MP made it makes this even more pathetic. Who says he isn¦t a newb? He's prob played longer than you have. That said, your previous post was pretty much on target. That¦s not the point. My main Trotski II has a little over 30M skill points and when i started coming to MD i think MP was already a well know member of it. He may have all trade skills trained to 5 but does that automatically excludes one from newb status??? I think not.
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.11 07:33:00 - [34] Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts.
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.11 11:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Motivated Prophet I have a good reason for publicizing this. Please continue, because so far this thread contains nothing that shouldn't have been confined to an Evemail. Who needs the Nikkei when there's EBay? Lag? GTFOOJ!
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.11 14:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Shadarle I REALLY must be missing something here. If a newb made this thread we'd have shouted him off the forums... the fact that MP made it makes this even more pathetic. If this was truly good for you then you wouldn't be posting about it, you'd be trying to exploit it. It is good for me, I have exploited it, and this post is part of that. I know it's easy to ignore the two previous times I've said it, so I'll say it even louder: YES, I WAS PROFITING IMMENSELY OFF OF HIS IDIOCY. And now that I've just offloaded a billion isk in skillbooks for a billion and a half isk to another BRUCE member on the basis of this post showing that: a) Nobody in BRUCE minds if they're getting screwed, price-wise, and b) Everything in 0.0 is, naturally, high-priced ... well, let's just say that I'm quite content. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.11 14:50:00 - [37] This just in: Taiyo bought me out again! I think there are now more skillbooks in PNQY-Y than pilots that visit there in a year! I mean, c'mon, he bought 40 Rapid Firing skillbooks (NPC price: 36k, my price: 250k). Know how many of those I had sold in over a year of operation in 0.0? Hint: it's less than one. /me is giddy now. This has been an MP GloatPostÖ. Thanks for listening. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Shannar'a Enterprise Inc	Posted - 2008.01.11 15:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Shannar''a on 11/01/2008 15:12:25 .
YouGotRipped Gallente Ewigkeit Galactic Research	Posted - 2008.01.11 15:32:00 - [39] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 11/01/2008 15:32:55 To me it would seem like the original post was a whine and now he/she is trying to cover that up. This thread is a testimony of just how much in life is determined by chance and not merits. Keep at it pumpkin. ---- typo
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.11 16:07:00 - [40] Edited by: Robacz on 11/01/2008 16:06:47 Originally by: Motivated Prophet This just in: Taiyo bought me out again! Maybe he needs one skillbook set for each BRAIN in that station's name?
jongalt	Posted - 2008.01.11 16:34:00 - [41] lol. i bet playing RL poker with MP is fun. all roads lead to nyc. -jg.
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.01.11 16:50:00 - [42] How did you only profit at 50% if you were that high above NPC price? Sounds like you got stuck holding a bag and just barely managed to chuck it on someone else. But seriously, what a waste of trade slots. 27 slots alone in the screenshot posted tied up in low to zero volume skillbooks...
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.11 17:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Myrdyr How did you only profit at 50% if you were that high above NPC price? Sounds like you got stuck holding a bag and just barely managed to chuck it on someone else. But seriously, what a waste of trade slots. 27 slots alone in the screenshot posted tied up in low to zero volume skillbooks... I would have to agree with this. To me this shows off that MP was wasting a lot of trade slots doing a fairly unprofitable thing. I personally have sold a lot of the listed skillbooks at higher prices in empire space... so MP's prices for 0.0 were very low if you ask me. People pay that tiny markup just to not have to travel 1 jump. I agree with the person who thought this started as a whine thread and MP is trying to cover that up now because he realizes how silly this thread looks. The problem is it is now starting to look like an example of why MP hasn't been able to pay divs... Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Professor Pardal	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Motivated Prophet This just in: Taiyo bought me out again! I think there are now more skillbooks in PNQY-Y than pilots that visit there in a year! I mean, c'mon, he bought 40 Rapid Firing skillbooks (NPC price: 36k, my price: 250k). Know how many of those I had sold in over a year of operation in 0.0? Hint: it's less than one. /me is giddy now. This has been an MP GloatPostÖ. Thanks for listening. MP So ever a period of an year you sold 0 Rapid Firing skill books and you decided to put 40 on a sell order. I am thinking of starting pressing CCP to boost max order time from 90 days to 90 years. I must admit that Taiyo is totally clueless assuming you can¦t be keep away from docking at said station.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:41:00 - [45] Looking... looking... Still not seeing a point to this thread... _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Rigo Kajjar Rigo Reloaded	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Looking... looking... Still not seeing a point to this thread... Just enjoy the entertainment value of this thread.
Rhodes Scholar	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:58:00 - [47] Edited by: Rhodes Scholar on 11/01/2008 23:00:19 hey moron heres a few tips a huge new alliance just moved into pnqy so chances are very good that the station will be real active so hes probably just made a great investment everyone knows bruce is a noob alliance and so many of there members probably are going to buy lots of lowend books people make two million isk a rat there which makes you less than smart to charge 250k. chumpchange to these guys is two million and theyll pay it you cant ever get back into that station so buying you out is probably like swatting a fly the way youve been smacking on them means youll never get docking rights i saw your station sell orders and cleaning you out probably cost him maybe 300m to clean you out for a real trader thats pocketchange if you are really the steward of 47 billion isk you ought to know a lot more about cutthroat trading than u do taiyo should post in this thread and tell you 'pwned' lol proof again that pretty posting and sp dont mean jack. noob.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:03:00 - [48] Edited by: Treelox on 11/01/2008 23:03:11 ^^ I endorse this post ^^ -edit i r typin nubbin --
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Myrdyr How did you only profit at 50% if you were that high above NPC price? Sounds like you got stuck holding a bag and just barely managed to chuck it on someone else. But seriously, what a waste of trade slots. 27 slots alone in the screenshot posted tied up in low to zero volume skillbooks... I would have to agree with this. To me this shows off that MP was wasting a lot of trade slots doing a fairly unprofitable thing. I personally have sold a lot of the listed skillbooks at higher prices in empire space... so MP's prices for 0.0 were very low if you ask me. People pay that tiny markup just to not have to travel 1 jump. You misunderstand. Here's the full history: 1) Taiyo buys out a bunch of old books in PNQ that have been selling fairly well, paying my standard prices for them (typically anywhere from 5x-20x Empire price). 2) In the process of finding out more about this Taiyo fellow, I run across someone who's interested in my books, including a lot of them that I've had trouble selling for a while now (like Large Pulse Laser Spec, though business on that has admittedly picked up a bit in the last couple months). He expresses concern that he can't charge high prices. I point to Taiyo, he says that Taiyo is special and the alliance wouldn't stand for it if they knew what Taiyo was doing, anyway. 3) I post this thread. 4) I look on the market in PNQY and identify what skillbooks he (Taiyo) is selling. He clearly has no idea what he's doing; he's put up exactly ten of every skill he's selling, whether it's a fast seller like large T1 turret variants (specs are a completely-different market) or a horribly-slow seller like Rapid Firing. I systematically undercut his prices by large amounts if the book in question is a slow seller, or by smaller amounts if I don't mind actually waiting for the item in question to sell. While I'm certainly aware of the possibility that he'll run through and buy me out again, I can't know how much capital he's starting with, so I assume he'll go for the "good deals" (i.e., the ones with the greatest spread between my price and his) first. As these are my slowest sellers, this is ideal for me. 5) Seeing the reaction to this thread, my buyer gobbles up just over a billion isk in slow-selling skillbooks for a billion and a half isk. 6) Taiyo buys out not just the slow sellers that I'd priced temptingly (a "mere" 100%-300% profit), but also the quick sellers that I'd priced at 400% or higher. 7) I dance a happy dance and post here. Total haul: 50% profit on 1b and (ballpark) 400m on items worth, at most, around 50m. Plus, a bunch of skillbooks that would otherwise have had to be evacuated from 0.0 and sold in noob stations are now liquid isk again. Win! That character's remaining slots are taken up with things that do sell well in that particular station. Any ZERO. investor with an alt can check the corp wallet and find out exactly what those are, but I don't intend to post them here. By and large, they are not skillbooks. Originally by: Rhodes Scholar stuff Dude... What part of "I sold a bunch of stuff at 50% higher than what I paid for it" did you miss? Taiyo's buyouts are a completely-separate issue; this thread was just to push some skillbooks on someone else. But if we want to make this about Taiyo, fine. Because, you see, if I want to dock in a station, I can. Even if I didn't have more alts in more alliances than some people have hairs on their ass, one courier mission later and I've restocked. If Taiko would like to stick his head in (assuming you're not a Taiyo alt, which I suspect you might be), I'd ask him when he'd like his next delivery of unmarketable and overpriced skillbooks. I only marked these ones up by a factor of five to ten over their Empire price. Perhaps he'd like to buy out a few hundred at a mere four times Empire price? MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Trixtina	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:20:00 - [50] The day you outsmart Taiyo is the day ppl agree that the sun in green. Altho he trades with an alt at that station its no big secret who he is in BRUCE (and he is a huge asset to the bruce industry in 0.0) and likewise no secret he would outplay you every day of the week. And your threats of resupplies are as void as a big fat chunk of nothing as it would be ooh so hard to find out which alt you supposidly had in BRUCE. Your whines are mucho amusing tho...
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Total haul: 50% profit on 1b and (ballpark) 400m on items worth, at most, around 50m. Plus, a bunch of skillbooks that would otherwise have had to be evacuated from 0.0 and sold in noob stations are now liquid isk again. Win! Im sure that the shareholders look forward to that 50% being a part of a wallet flashing soon. Otherwise I am not sure exactly what you have to crow about. --
cosmoray	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:37:00 - [52] Can someone wake me when they work out what the point of this post was.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:46:00 - [53] So... You traded... And somehow that deserves it's own thread... Grats? _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:49:00 - [54] Originally by: cosmoray Can someone wake me when they work out what the point of this post was. Well I have narrowed it down to three choices; 1. Mental Masterbation 2. Misdirection to make shareholders who havent gotten dividends in awhile, feel good that those shares they own are still working for them, even if not paying out. 3. No one in his Mains corp cared, yet he still felt the need to share with someone.(plays into option #1) Cant really think of any other reason, that the OP would start the thread --
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Trixtina The day you outsmart Taiyo is the day ppl agree that the sun in green. Altho he trades with an alt at that station its no big secret who he is in BRUCE (and he is a huge asset to the bruce industry in 0.0) and likewise no secret he would outplay you every day of the week. Bring it. Originally by: Trixtina And your threats of resupplies are as void as a big fat chunk of nothing as it would be ooh so hard to find out which alt you supposidly had in BRUCE. Sorry, but how? I'd just do a private contract to one of my sales alts, and there's absolutely no way for someone else to track that. Tone down the bluster and break out the substance. And, though it is admittedly-ironic to be the one demanding this, post with your main. Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Motivated Prophet Total haul: 50% profit on 1b and (ballpark) 400m on items worth, at most, around 50m. Plus, a bunch of skillbooks that would otherwise have had to be evacuated from 0.0 and sold in noob stations are now liquid isk again. Win! Im sure that the shareholders look forward to that 50% being a part of a wallet flashing soon. Otherwise I am not sure exactly what you have to crow about. I told ZERO. investors exactly what is going on with their cash these last couple months. Go read the forums, instead of being a jackass with this passive-aggressive crap. In the (likely!) event you CBA, I'll quickly summarize by telling you that alternate ways of moving stock into 0.0 had to be considered due to the carrier nerf, so I was training my main up for a Rorqual. Originally by: Treelox Originally by: cosmoray Can someone wake me when they work out what the point of this post was. Well I have narrowed it down to three choices; 1. Mental Masterbation 2. Misdirection to make shareholders who havent gotten dividends in awhile, feel good that those shares they own are still working for them, even if not paying out. 3. No one in his Mains corp cared, yet he still felt the need to share with someone.(plays into option #1) Cant really think of any other reason, that the OP would start the thread Why the hell are you trolling me so damn hard on this? I've already said I posted this thread because it allowed me to leverage Taiyo's actions into a sale of 1b isk of skillbooks for 1.5b. THIS THREAD MADE ME OVER 500m ISK Amazingly enough, I consider the cost of posting a thread less than the cost of 500m isk. I take it if I told you, "Hey, Treelox, post a thread over in Features and Ideas and I'll give you half a billion," you'd turn me down? MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:58:00 - [56] Originally by: Motivated Prophet [THIS THREAD MADE ME OVER 500m ISK Amazingly enough, I consider the cost of posting a thread less than the cost of 500m isk. I take it if I told you, "Hey, Treelox, post a thread over in Features and Ideas and I'll give you half a billion," you'd turn me down? WoW is that how it work, well then I suggest you start more threads. I know that the TINY shareholders are waiting too. At 500m a thread how many threads will it take for you to be able to issue a payable profit? No thanks I really dont need to make threads to make isk, I have far greater skills than that. As to why you have recieved the negative attention from those MD regulars who have bothered to respond...Well I can only hazard a guess, but I would have to say because the OP was childish and full of epeen strokage. Both things that normally get most non-MD regulars the same response that you have recieved. By your on admission in your last post, wouldnt you say that the start of this thread was nothing more than a trolling and baiting attempt on Taiyo? Isnt that something that is explictly against the rules of these forums? I am puzzled why you thought you would recieve any other reaction from the MD crew. --
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:13:00 - [57] Edited by: Shadarle on 12/01/2008 04:14:09 Originally by: Treelox By your on admission in your last post, wouldnt you say that the start of this thread was nothing more than a trolling and baiting attempt on Taiyo? Isnt that something that is explictly against the rules of these forums? This was my first thought when reading his post too. Not sure admitting to trolling is the best idea on his part. At least we all know now that this thread had absolutely no constructive purpose other than to apparently try to take advantage of someone... Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:46:00 - [58] yup Shad, It also has lowered what respect I had for him even lower. --
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.01.12 05:12:00 - [59] This thread is so bizarre. How does gloating about a person buying overpriced goods entice them to buy more overpriced goods? Sure, this thread has somehow helped your plight MP but I can't understand how you could predict that the person would buy more after being told you were ripping him off... It's like me buying a car from a car dealer. The car dealer then laughs at me telling everyone how he sold me a car for like 10x overprice. I hear about this, and go back to the dealership and buy another car for 10x overprice. The dealer then comes back and says he meant for this to happen the whole time. It's all so damned confusing. The edit on the first post replacing it with a hyperlink almost seems to indicate hiding the first post in some way to make it seem like this was your end goal the whole time. Maybe I have missed the plot somewhere.
cosmoray	Posted - 2008.01.12 05:28:00 - [60] Edited by: cosmoray on 12/01/2008 05:29:25 MP I think this post got away from you. Started out one way and when you got shot down, it was time to get the shovel out. Seriously, I have never seen one of you BIG presence MD guys show off about making 500m ISK. Wow you manage 47B ISK. It is truly awesome that you managed a 1.06% return on your capital that you need to scream about it in the forums.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.12 12:00:00 - [61] Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 12/01/2008 12:02:51 _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.12 13:15:00 - [62] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic This thread is so bizarre. How does gloating about a person buying overpriced goods entice them to buy more overpriced goods? Sure, this thread has somehow helped your plight MP but I can't understand how you could predict that the person would buy more after being told you were ripping him off... It's like me buying a car from a car dealer. The car dealer then laughs at me telling everyone how he sold me a car for like 10x overprice. I hear about this, and go back to the dealership and buy another car for 10x overprice. The dealer then comes back and says he meant for this to happen the whole time. It's all so damned confusing. The edit on the first post replacing it with a hyperlink almost seems to indicate hiding the first post in some way to make it seem like this was your end goal the whole time. Maybe I have missed the plot somewhere. You did. The thread was never about Taiyo, really; it was just to convince a third party that overpricing skillbooks in 0.0 stations was A-OK. To use your car dealer analogy: I have some old 2006 models on the lot that I've had trouble selling. A new car dealer in town is trying to pick up stock, and sees my 2006's. He wants to buy them, and I'm willing to cut him a deal (1.5x overprice instead of 10x), but he worries about what sorts of margins he can get for them while still retaining customer loyalty. I point to the dealer down the street selling 2006's at 20x markup, but he's not convinced; he says it's just because the dealer down the street has a well-recognized brand name. So I become incensed at the prices of the dealer down the street, and the community assures me that, no, his prices are just fine. I point this out to my newfound buddy who's starting up his own dealership and he agrees to buy my 2006's off of me. The fact that Taiyo then came in and bought me out was just an orthogonal source of lulz, and has nothing to do with this "main" story. Make more sense now? MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
YouGotRipped Gallente Ewigkeit Galactic Research	Posted - 2008.01.12 13:29:00 - [63] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 12/01/2008 13:33:16 You seem to value too much what others think of you. Sad. Don't worry, in due time watching more of those Pinky and the Brain episodes will surely cheer you up. ---- typo
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.12 13:39:00 - [64] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 12/01/2008 13:30:57 You seem to value to much what others think of you. Sad. I wouldn't be playing the IPO side of the game if I didn't care about what people thought of me. As many, many others have said, IPO's are terrible ways for the people running them to make money; they require a great deal of reporting, effort, and stress in return for an amount of money that most of us who run IPO's could raise ourselves in, at most, a few months, and an amount of profit for ourselves that is dwarfed by a good day spent in Jita. Basically, we do this because we enjoy role-playing CEO's. I know Ricdic gets a hell of a kick out of being the perennial cheerleader for EBANK, for example. If I didn't care what peopleùespecially my shareholders!ùthought of me, I'd be a terrible, terrible candidate for an IPO CEO. I'd hope you'd agree; otherwise, you're a terrible, terrible candidate for an IPO investor. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
YouGotRipped Gallente Ewigkeit Galactic Research	Posted - 2008.01.12 13:48:00 - [65] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 12/01/2008 13:48:37 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 12/01/2008 13:30:57 You seem to value to much what others think of you. Sad. I wouldn't be playing the IPO side of the game if I didn't care about what people thought of me. As many, many others have said, IPO's are terrible ways for the people running them to make money; they require a great deal of reporting, effort, and stress in return for an amount of money that most of us who run IPO's could raise ourselves in, at most, a few months, and an amount of profit for ourselves that is dwarfed by a good day spent in Jita. Basically, we do this because we enjoy role-playing CEO's. I know Ricdic gets a hell of a kick out of being the perennial cheerleader for EBANK, for example. If I didn't care what peopleùespecially my shareholders!ùthought of me, I'd be a terrible, terrible candidate for an IPO CEO. I'd hope you'd agree; otherwise, you're a terrible, terrible candidate for an IPO investor. MP You might be able to swing a whole community's opinion about your original whine but deep inside you know you failed miserably. And that's something you'll remember for some time to come. Happy thoughts. ---- typo
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:49:00 - [66] Originally by: Motivated Prophet I wouldn't be playing the IPO side of the game if I didn't care about what people thought of me. All evidence to the contrary in how you run your IPO's. I doubt there is a single person who thinks TINY has been well run or handled. Judging from this thread, even people who I would have expected to stand up for you are bashing you over your running of your IPO's. So if you value what others think of you so much perhaps you should work a bit harder on making them think good things. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:51:00 - [67] For the love of all things holy please let this thread die!
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.12 17:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Motivated Prophet I wouldn't be playing the IPO side of the game if I didn't care about what people thought of me. All evidence to the contrary in how you run your IPO's. I doubt there is a single person who thinks TINY has been well run or handled. Judging from this thread, even people who I would have expected to stand up for you are bashing you over your running of your IPO's. So if you value what others think of you so much perhaps you should work a bit harder on making them think good things. Heh I see you have new target after ISSO closed the shop. I would ask you to sell me your TINY. shares at RESX price, but I think you don't even have any.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.01.12 17:14:00 - [69] Originally by: Robacz Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Motivated Prophet I wouldn't be playing the IPO side of the game if I didn't care about what people thought of me. All evidence to the contrary in how you run your IPO's. I doubt there is a single person who thinks TINY has been well run or handled. Judging from this thread, even people who I would have expected to stand up for you are bashing you over your running of your IPO's. So if you value what others think of you so much perhaps you should work a bit harder on making them think good things. Heh I see you have new target after ISSO closed the shop. I would ask you to sell me your TINY. shares at RESX price, but I think you don't even have any. If you had read any of the past topics you'd know very well I have none as I've stated I have none and furthermore I never did. I didn't own shares in PSI either. MP can run things however he wants... but to say he cares what people think about him when he has been running his IPO's like he has is laughable. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.12 19:40:00 - [70] Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. How did you know? I am not only Proton Powers Alt, I am also Lavista's Alt, and per you and Shin Ra (Don't think Shin Ra believes this anymore) I am now MP's alt as well. At this point if i Can become Hexx and Ricdic's Alt, I pretty much control all IPO's I think.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.01.12 19:47:00 - [71] Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. I am also Lavista's Alt QFT and stuffs. Also, i remember being on the IAC Ventrilo server back in the IAC vs ISS war, when Deathgrip was on. It was quite enjoyable. Also: Gratz on being everybodies alt DG. The amount of power you can get from not posting very often is almost mindblowing it seems. This signature is brought to you by EBankÖ, free space for moderators to brag.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.12 19:51:00 - [72] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. I am also Lavista's Alt QFT and stuffs. Also, i remember being on the IAC Ventrilo server back in the IAC vs ISS war, when Deathgrip was on. It was quite enjoyable. Also: Gratz on being everybodies alt DG. The amount of power you can get from not posting very often is almost mindblowing it seems. Since your my alt, and MP is my alt, and soon Ricdic, Hexx and all other IPO's will be my alt can we just all stop posting since replying to myself is kinda getting old?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.01.12 19:59:00 - [73] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. I am also Lavista's Alt QFT and stuffs. Also, i remember being on the IAC Ventrilo server back in the IAC vs ISS war, when Deathgrip was on. It was quite enjoyable. Also: Gratz on being everybodies alt DG. The amount of power you can get from not posting very often is almost mindblowing it seems. Since your my alt, and MP is my alt, and soon Ricdic, Hexx and all other IPO's will be my alt can we just all stop posting since replying to myself is kinda getting old? But its your own fault, since its yourself doing it. Its kinda like cutting yourself, you know its wrong, but it makes you feel good. This signature is brought to you by EBankÖ, free space for moderators to brag.
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:37:00 - [74] Originally by: LaVista Vista But its your own fault, since its yourself doing it. Its kinda like cutting yourself, you know its wrong, but it makes you feel good. See?? See??!!! Now people have resorted to self-mutilation!!! Please please let this thread die before anyone else gets hurt.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:50:00 - [75] Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. How did you know? I am not only Proton Powers Alt, I am also Lavista's Alt, and per you and Shin Ra (Don't think Shin Ra believes this anymore) I am now MP's alt as well. At this point if i Can become Hexx and Ricdic's Alt, I pretty much control all IPO's I think. GET BACK BEHIND THE CURTAIN! YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE SEEN! MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Professor Pardal	Posted - 2008.01.13 09:06:00 - [76] Originally by: Motivated Prophet If I didn't care what peopleùespecially my shareholders!ùthought of me, I'd be a terrible, terrible candidate for an IPO CEO. I'd hope you'd agree; otherwise, you're a terrible, terrible candidate for an IPO investor. MP Well having invested 500 million in TINY and since you care i will say i think you so far have been doing a terrible job. Not just because of inexistent return of investment but also your communication,reports,respect,etc for your shareholders. I don¦t agree that you care much about your shareholders thoughts on you. I think you care more about what you think of yourself. Thinking this just shows that i am a terrible, terrible candidate for an IPO investor which seems to be true based on that 500 million investment. I am Trotski II alt so you can confirm i have the shares.
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.13 09:19:00 - [77] Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. How did you know? I am not only Proton Powers Alt, I am also Lavista's Alt, and per you and Shin Ra (Don't think Shin Ra believes this anymore) I am now MP's alt as well. At this point if i Can become Hexx and Ricdic's Alt, I pretty much control all IPO's I think. I concede my likely error. In my defense, DDC tards sound alike even on ts hence I confused PP-DDC-tard with MP-DDC-tard.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.13 13:32:00 - [78] Originally by: Danari Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. How did you know? I am not only Proton Powers Alt, I am also Lavista's Alt, and per you and Shin Ra (Don't think Shin Ra believes this anymore) I am now MP's alt as well. At this point if i Can become Hexx and Ricdic's Alt, I pretty much control all IPO's I think. I concede my likely error. In my defense, DDC tards sound alike even on ts hence I confused PP-DDC-tard with MP-DDC-tard. You really should just stop posting, you just make yourself look like a bigger tard than you probably are.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.01.13 14:23:00 - [79] Originally by: Danari Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 12/01/2008 19:40:12 Originally by: Danari Somehow the name deathgrip comes to mind. DDC was so crowded with certified tards back in the day that I don't think I ever once enjoyed having their flapping mouths on ts. How did you know? I am not only Proton Powers Alt, I am also Lavista's Alt, and per you and Shin Ra (Don't think Shin Ra believes this anymore) I am now MP's alt as well. At this point if i Can become Hexx and Ricdic's Alt, I pretty much control all IPO's I think. I concede my likely error. In my defense, DDC tards sound alike even on ts hence I confused PP-DDC-tard with MP-DDC-tard. I think you took a wrong turn somewhere on the forum index. This isnt CAOD. CAOD, where you seem to belong, is over there -> This signature is brought to you by EBankÖ, free space for moderators to brag.
Investigador Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.13 15:32:00 - [80] MP, next time you make an IPO, say that it's a subvention for keeping up your funny posts at this forum. I predict you'll get billions and billions of isks.

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