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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:46:00 -
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You can do whatever you want to anyone you want, anywhere you want. The only time you're breaking any rules is if you escape from CONCORD without losing your ship. I don't understand how much more simple it can be. 
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:47:00 -
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 Originally by: DigitalCommunist
You can do whatever you want to anyone you want, anywhere you want. The only time you're breaking any rules is if you escape from CONCORD without losing your ship. I don't understand how much more simple it can be.
Pretty much.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Melor Rend on 10/01/2008 17:54:41
Edited by: Melor Rend on 10/01/2008 17:52:56
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
You can do whatever you want to anyone you want, anywhere you want. The only time you're breaking any rules is if you escape from CONCORD without losing your ship. I don't understand how much more simple it can be.
It would be simple but for the fact that there is a rule in the EULA that forbids you to "grief" other players. Griefing is defined by a tactic that has the sole purpose of inflicting grief on another player without the griefer gaining anything from it. In my opinion killing pods in highsec has only one purpose: to inflict grief (since you loose your ship to CONCORD and don't get any loot or other stuff from a pod).
Thats why I don't find it quite as simple as you claim it to be.
Now however I got a clear answer from a Dev: suicide pods and stuff all you want as long as you don't circumvent game mechanics (e.g. CONCORD). 
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:52:00 -
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\o/
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RaAshan
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jovoich
Edited by: Jovoich on 10/01/2008 16:41:52
coz its a joke take that i should need to go to the forums twice to get a correct answer. I would just like a ... sorry for the***** up.
It's people like you that flog GM's and Dev's with useless diatribe that slow down the process for everyone.
You got your bloody answer, move on!
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Melor Rend
It would be simple but for the fact that there is a rule in the EULA that forbids you to "grief" other players. Griefing is defined by a tactic that has the sole purpose of inflicting grief on another player without the griefer gaining anything from it. In my opinion killing pods in highsec has only one purpose: to inflict grief (since you loose your ship to CONCORD and don't get any loot or other stuff from a pod).
Griefing is about inflicting suffering on your target for no other reason than enjoyment of that persons suffering.
There are lots of reasons that are not griefing why someone would be willing to suffer a loss to inflict a loss on someone else. This makes it very diffucult to prove that someone is infact griefing you.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Melor Rend on 10/01/2008 18:05:06
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Melor Rend
It would be simple but for the fact that there is a rule in the EULA that forbids you to "grief" other players. Griefing is defined by a tactic that has the sole purpose of inflicting grief on another player without the griefer gaining anything from it. In my opinion killing pods in highsec has only one purpose: to inflict grief (since you loose your ship to CONCORD and don't get any loot or other stuff from a pod).
Griefing is about inflicting suffering on your target for no other reason than enjoyment of that persons suffering.
There are lots of reasons that are not griefing why someone would be willing to suffer a loss to inflict a loss on someone else. This makes it very diffucult to prove that someone is infact griefing you.
That is exactly why I was asking this question. So to make a long story short: The rule against griefing is in the EULA but in reality is never used since "personal satisfaction from killing a pod in highsec" is enough of a reason for the kill not to be considered a grief-kill.
I'm happy with that answer... got worried there for a moment hehe. 
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Melor Rend
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
You can do whatever you want to anyone you want, anywhere you want. The only time you're breaking any rules is if you escape from CONCORD without losing your ship. I don't understand how much more simple it can be.
It would be simple but for the fact that there is a rule in the EULA that forbids you to "grief" other players. Griefing is defined by a tactic that has the sole purpose of inflicting grief on another player without the griefer gaining anything from it. In my opinion killing pods in highsec has only one purpose: to inflict grief (since you loose your ship to CONCORD and don't get any loot or other stuff from a pod).
Thats why I don't find it quite as simple as you claim it to be.
Now that I got a clear answer: suicide pods all you want as long as you don't circumvent game mechanics (e.g. CONCORD).
That's a clause and nothing more. It allows CCP to stop someone from chaining newbies in the starter systems using a legit tactic that wouldn't work that well against any other players. There really isn't anything gained by screwing with utter newbies, and all you're doing is hurting CCP's wallet. Obviously they're not gonna like that.
Your opinion that killing a pod is griefing is broken because a) you gain a corpse, b) you inflict real damage. Most of the cases that could be called griefing don't involve you sacrificing your sec and money to gain kills at all, because if you do that you've proved the kill has some value. CCP can't judge that for you, but they can judge whether or not you're being a ***** by doing things like bumping freighters or ejecting shuttles to prevent warping
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Lisento and Miscellaneous Elk
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:11:00 -
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You sound like you already knew the answer to your own question before you even asked it...especially considering you said yourself you asked it at least TWICE to two different employee's as shown here:
"The subject of the post was : Are you allowed to pod war targets in empire? As you can see a CCP employee responded and confirmed that yes you can and are 100% within your rights to pod empire war targets.
Over the last two days, I have been in contact with another CCP employee with re guards the same subject. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to post his responses here. He informed me that you are NOT allowed to pod empire war targets."
So I have to ask - was the second employee (you don't say if it was a petition/GM) being sarcastic with you for asking the question when you already know the answer, or what?
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Lurtz
Caldari
Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:40:00 -
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While I would agree that there are some very inept GMs there at CCP, I have fortunately only once gotten ineptitude at both basic and senior level. (names available on request, but I won't post them here). If there is a problem with a petition escalate it.
THAT SAID..... petitions are slow enough without people using the petition system to ask simple gameplay questions that are common knowlege and easily answered in help channel or forums! Why are you wasting GM time with this?
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Elmicker
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
You can do whatever you want to anyone you want, anywhere you want. The only time you're breaking any rules is if you escape from CONCORD without losing your ship. I don't understand how much more simple it can be.
In theory.
In reality, no.
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