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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/03/2004 16:25:12
FE Offensive Collapses as Civil Unrest and Political Feuding Dominates the Forsaken Empire.
Following official confirmation in the early hours of this morning, I am able to announce that the Forsaken Empire (FE) has revoked its concord sanctioned corporate war against the Jericho Fraction(JERIC).
As CEO of Jericho Fraction I can confirm that no negotiations or surrender terms or miscellaneous deals were offered to the Forsaken Empire, and this represents a unilateral ending of hostilities in Concord patrolled space at the sole discretion of our war enemies.
Jericho Fraction remains unbeaten and unbowed and fully able to defend and confront the forces of reactionary tyranny and legacy memetics wherever such threats to freedom and fair aspiration might be found.
At this time we are unable to fully understand the motivations and issues within the Forsaken Empire but from intelligence fragments, espionage feeds, political analysis and eye-witness accounts it appears the follow factors have contributed to this unilateral ending of the declared war:
1. Divisions within the Forsaken Empire government on the wisdom of engaging Jericho Fraction from day one. It appears that rogue ôhot-headsö and ôblow-hardsö in the Forsaken Military may have acted beyond their remit from reckless boredom and destructive ennui. Forsaken Empire military intelligence in recent days has been fighting a battle for the heart of the emperor in an effort to convince that person that a war against Jericho Fraction is neither; ôwinnableö nor ôdesirableö in any event.
2. Civil Strife in the Forsaken Empire between Imperialists and Pirates has broken out, with internecine feuding, bitter imprecations, allegations of hanger theft, treachery, bad-faith and all the associated political skeletons that have long haunted the successors of Smoked and M3G4 Corporation. The curse of Biomass would appear to continue, and the potential stability of reformed pirate ôempiresö is again most certainly up for question. FE Main Corporation appears to be haemorrhaging pilots by the hour and was down 50 or so last night.
3. Hard military pragmatics. It has become clear that the Jericho Fraction tactics of hit and run commerce raiding against soft targets while avoiding all engagement with the Imperial Forsaken Fleet has driven home the message of how difficult it truly is for a declared territorial power to fight a roving guerrilla force. Battleship squadrons are powerless to interdict fast moving frigate wolf-packs, and Jericho Fraction has successfully employ the pirate tactics of safe-spot retreats and soft-target raiding to hit FE client corporations and holders of protection ôticketsö. This has been an asymmetrical engagement of fleet assets effectively ôinvisibleö to each other. Not an engagement to the taste of Forsaken Fleet strategists.
4. Reputation. In economic terms, this conflict has thus far been close to totally irrelevant to both parties, with a handful of ship losses on both sides being easily set off against ordinary profitable activities. But in terms of reputation and public image it has been far more significant. And indeed for a ôregional allianceö to declare and engage a small corporation for two weeks without noticeable impact or result is something of a humiliating situation. Like the military reality of asymmetric engagements so too with public relations; Jericho Fraction could only win while Forsaken Empire could only lose in this action, for the mythology of the ôunderdogö is extremely significant, and it is vital that a territorial dominion like Forsaken Empire does not loose the ôbig stickö of assumed threat if it is to be taken seriously.
5. Diplomatic Implications. From the beginning of this declared campaign it has become very clear that Forsaken Empire is isolated politically, with verbal support only from their alliance partners in Curse, and nothing but cold distance or heated derision elsewhere in Eve. The attack on Jericho Fraction represented a further diplomatic gaff for the Forsaken Empire (in the wake of the abortive Stain declarations and withdrawal from Fountain) and performed the near miracle of actually reducing the EmpireÆs military reputation yet further.
6. Finally, some hours ago we received confirmation that the Forsaken Emperor himself had been slain by some form of covert raid and assassination involving primitive melee weapons and ritual murder. The shockwaves from this deed continue to reverberate through the remnant structures of the Forsaken government at it appears that the FE Propaganda and Public Relations minister Jhered Stern has adopted a new identity and role as ôThe Black Oracle of Curseö. What this means for the remaining Forsaken Empire fleet and auxiliary assets we can only guess.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/03/2004 16:21:18
In conclusion.
The Forsaken Empire war mandate and stated aim to ôfiscally crushö Jericho Fraction has failed. With the retraction of the war-declaration and obvious internal difficulties faced by the FE government it is clear that this Forsaken ôoffensiveö is over. What happens now is anybodyÆs guess.
While it would be easy to see this as a complete "victory" for progressive political thinking and the anti-territoriality of the Jericho Fraction agenda, it would be extremely foolish to believe this heralds anything other than the beginning of a glorious fightback against those who would chain the stars themselves beneath the bitter yoke of reactionary greed and fiscal domination.
This is a war for the hearts and minds of the human race. We stand at the juncture of past and future and look into a maelstrom of possibilies and far aspirations.
We all of us must choose whether to fight and win, or live on our knees in times hereafter; the future is not our birthright to be taken gently as a gift might be, it is a prize to be chased and taken and won with glory and valor and bold adventure.
The months ahead will be rife with tyrants and cartels and little dictators looking to carve out kingdoms in the silence of the frontier. They will claim their dominions if we let them. They would wield the whip and make us slaves if they could. But a bullet in the brain will cure such wide delusions!
So fair listener,
The lesson from this war is at the last quite simple.
"never give up, never beg, and never stop fighting"
In Eve the underdog will have his day! And Jericho having laughed in the face of the tyrant will stand and fight knowing our future is a prize worth the risk and finest gamble of our all our lives to come.
Love and peace
Jade Constantine
CEO Jericho Fraction
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: GFLTorque on 21/03/2004 16:16:34
Well,
I guess after FE had to withdraw its ubber 24 hour WAR with MASS to create 3 empty war slots for their war with only Jericho they will now go pwn Moo and Evolution.
I can see the posts now:
F-E post:
EvolmOotion had vastly superior numbers then we did in todays fight.
Next F-E post:
Well actually they had a lot more then we did.
Next F-E post:
Well more exactly they had a couple more then we did.
Next F-E post:
Well ok, maybe it was an even fight.
Final F-E post:
Crap ok, Squirrel whipped our arses by himself with a small smurgleblaster scout.
Roflmao.
Btw, I've looked in Empire, where do you buy the dos attack skill?
You guys need all the excuses you can get.
heheheheh
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:26:00 -
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Heh. Never ceaces to amaze me Constantine.
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At this time we are unable to fully understand the motivations and issues within the Forsaken Empire but from intelligence fragments, espionage feeds, political analysis and eye-witness accounts it appears the follow factors have contributed to this unilateral ending of the declared war:
I got some ideas on this, since i was talking with some of the F-E bigwigs the other day.
All you lot are is GalNet forum warriors. You didn't fight, you ran around in frigates, (like you claim) and safe spotted when someone showed up... hardly worth having a war with someone when your adversary never shows up? Huh Constantine?
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Divisions within the Forsaken Empire government on the wisdom of engaging Jericho Fraction from day one. It appears that rogue ôhot-headsö and ôblow-hardsö in the Forsaken Military may have acted beyond their remit from reckless boredom and destructive ennui. Forsaken Empire military intelligence in recent days has been fighting a battle for the heart of the emperor in an effort to convince that person that a war against Jericho Fraction is neither; ôwinnableö nor ôdesirableö in any event.
Heh. Nobody wants to fight jherico because of all of the smack you throw on the boards Constantine. I think it was more of a practical retraction then a political/personal one.
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Diplomatic Implications. From the beginning of this declared campaign it has become very clear that Forsaken Empire is isolated politically, with verbal support only from their alliance partners in Curse, and nothing but cold distance or heated derision elsewhere in Eve. The attack on Jericho Fraction represented a further diplomatic gaff for the Forsaken Empire (in the wake of the abortive Stain declarations and withdrawal from Fountain) and performed the near miracle of actually reducing the EmpireÆs military reputation yet further.
Ofcourse their "isolated politically", Fool Gallente. F-E were at war with jherico, F-E being the corporation that it IS... that's possible.. CA is not a corp, Nor did it declare war on you band of misfits. The only way CA would goto war with JF, is if you run your mouth enough that council takes notice, and decies it (and some people in eve) have had enough of you. Then a Council movement (and order) is passed, that all active CA corps declare war on JF. That would bring your war count to well over 50, plus there would be CA agents in almost all parts of eve, being able to shoot you down anywhere. But i've derailed.. Point is, Sir. That CA didn't declare war on JF. "Being isolated politically" is a given...
ôThe Black Oracle of Curseö
Has a better ring to it then "**** slinger" (you) doesn't it? 
"love and peace" Constantine.
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
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Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:35:00 -
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I would like to ask Jericho and FE personnel to avoid rising to the bait of any unpleasantness posted by third parties in this thread please. As you can see my presentation was factual and fair and entirely free of smack and nonsense. As for mr Prophecy all I will say is "I know something you don't know" and have a little chuckle to myself while reading your words. I am sure we will be talking much more a little later on.
Love and peace
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:41:00 -
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Just helped me enjoy my croissant a little more Ms Constantine. Good to know some things don't change in the universe. Good croissant....Sun Rises...Propehcy's yowl at the moon...kids being cute and fish being fishy.
Tata
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Dawson
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:50:00 -
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Just helped me enjoy my croissant a little more Ms Constantine. Good to know some things don't change in the universe. Good croissant....Sun Rises...Propehcy's yowl at the moon...kids being cute and fish being fishy.
Tata
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:55:00 -
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Perhaps you'd care to offer the FE view of the events then, love?
I think i did give you my view, "crap" was the key word honey bun ;)
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2004.03.21 16:55:00 -
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Leave it to Jade to use 2000 words just to say, "We PWNZ JO0!!"
Congrats. 
Oh, Prophecy next time you try to take me out in a Thorax, use a Blackbird, then maybe you can warp scramble better.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.21 17:39:00 -
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go go jericho fraction.
dbp
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J3tt
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Posted - 2004.03.21 17:46:00 -
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simply stunning
maybe SPVD should strap on the kicking ass boots
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 17:51:00 -
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Join the fun friend!  .
** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg
Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence!
Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is.
Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing!
Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |
Seleene
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Posted - 2004.03.21 18:18:00 -
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I said it before that there was no way FE would come out of this situation looking good, and now they are fighting each other? Damn! 
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Shadowspawn
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Posted - 2004.03.21 19:47:00 -
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o ok
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.03.21 19:48:00 -
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simply stunning
maybe SPVD should strap on the kicking ass boots
I wasn't aware you'd ever taken them off...
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Reddari
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Posted - 2004.03.21 19:50:00 -
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All you lot are is GalNet forum warriors. You didn't fight, you ran around in frigates, (like you claim) and safe spotted when someone showed up... hardly worth having a war with someone when your adversary never shows up? Huh Constantine?
What do you know? Were you there when I engaged Jebidus' Skari scorpion in my Celestis Cruiser?
Yes I had to retreat as his firepower was slightly more than mine and the flames were making pretty flashes. Later that evening we encountered a Thorax who used the popular Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock tactic to bore us to death.
The last piece of action that night was two F-E battleships jumping into the system engaging our two cruisers and 3 frigates. We lost one frigate certainly but as someone who claims to PVP you understand our tactical disadvantage against two battleships (one would have been a fair fight).
Being a GalNet warrior doesn't exclude ones EVE warriorness. Just like being able to talk without swear words doesn't mean you are not a tough guy
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.03.21 20:36:00 -
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reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days
reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent
no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 20:58:00 -
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reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days
reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent
no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there.
I'm a little confused about the reason to withdraw the war, now it looks like you lost it to.
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2004.03.21 21:02:00 -
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reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days
reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent
no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there.
I'm a little confused about the reason to withdraw the war, now it looks like you lost it to.
Oh yeah man we got our butts kicked. We could not pay the fuel costs of our ships chasing JF ships everywhere.
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thuggie
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Posted - 2004.03.21 21:14:00 -
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so what?
What's the point of going to war against a corp with prostitution as the main industry in the first place?
You actually thought that you would kick their ass and make them shut up? come on.. geez.
To quote alynthir from when this war was declared.
"i cant wait to see what Jade's going to write when they need that war-slot for something usefull". 
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 21:16:00 -
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Oh yeah man we got our butts kicked. We could not pay the fuel costs of our ships chasing JF ships everywhere.
I didn't say you got your but kicked by JF or that you lost the war, I simply said that it could look that way.
But if we sum up the war than JF didn't lose much but you lost your dignity.
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hupa
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Posted - 2004.03.21 21:19:00 -
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hmmmm
some of what jade says is true, though alot "asusual TM" aint.
im not gona go through it point by point though, ill just state the simple facts.
it was friday i went out got drunk didnt play eve at all, woke up saturday got drunk again, woke up sunday got drunk again, then monday i log in, find that 2 silly ppl within the F-E took it upon themselves too declare war on jericho, i wasnt pleased....
anyway i thought what the hell, ill let it go maybe J-F will give us a fight, anyway they didnt, they did kill 1 ship though a frigate in a fair duel so good stuff, im not sure how many we killed if any i didnt care, jericho did not once interfere with F-E ops not because they wouldnt but because they simply couldnt, i know it and they know it.
conclusion.. i would never start a war on jericho reason... militarly there a joke, politicaly there bloody annoying all this equalls too an annoying war of smack talking and forum ***** gladiators, something the F-E has no time for.
P.S. keep up the good propaganda jade, i need somethine to read durin downtime.
and forgive my grammer... spell checkers and typing is evul
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 22:01:00 -
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LOL Dignity?!?!? Is that some sort of new ship class Dignity?
You know what it is when you find it 
Besides if you don't care about how people view your action and/or character then why do you keep replying to this thread?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.21 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/03/2004 22:31:51
Without wishing to get into silly discussions after the point there are some fairly clear facts here:
1. FE declared a war and their representatives publicly stated that the war aims were to "fiscally annihilate" Jericho Fraction. This is on record on these very forums in this FE war aims thread.
2. FE then proceeded not to attack, leaving the fighting to their sole allies Mercenary Frigates. We consider that MF fulfilled the role of FE auxillaries for this conflict and they payed a heavy price for it. (It is certainly true that FE moved some of their pilots across into MF for the fighting)
3. Once the MF threat was contained Jericho Fraction took the initiave and moved attack frigates on a nightly basis to FE stronghold systems. We inflicted casualties on frigates and industrial ships and FE clients.
4. Techie Zero and Prophetcy played no part in the campaign, though they both did play roles in various forum "activities". This does seem a recurring theme of corp forum "war" threads with the uninvolved people typically making the most noise.
5. Virtually every Jericho active combat pilot scored kills on the MF/FE forces and we were constantly on the offensive. Many of our people earned their veteran status and we received very valuable combat training in this operation.
6. As Havocide says, FE may have made the declaration as a "joke" but truly the joke was ultimately on them. JF was not prepared to play the "all line up at 50klicks and engage battleship gunfire game" and prefered to fight wars cleverly, playing to our strengths and avoiding the enemy strength.
7. Lets face it, as a totally outnumbered and economically outmatched opponent of the Forsaken Empire and MF allies it must be appreciated that the result will have surprised a few people, and it does make an important statement about the vulnerability of territorial dominions. FE declared a war and stayed on the defensive. That is no way to win.
End of the day this has perhaps drawn a line under the old propaganda nonsense that Jericho never fights.
Once Biomass successfully used that line to divide JF from our allies in the NVA in an ongoing propaganda campaign that ultimately saw us isolated and ejected from Venal in some disarray.
How greatly the situation has changed in just three months for Jericho Fraction now, that we are able to survive the personal attention of an old war enemy that once "humbled" the NVA in mighty fleet battles. And as commentators to this thread have rightly noted:
The losses here have not been ships and equipment but reputation and credibility.
But at the last Hupa and Havorcide were there ... Techie Zero and Prophetcy were not. Its important to make that distinction I think, that the viewing public can better judge which opinions are spurious and which are at least founded in personal experience.
Love and peace
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Reddari
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Posted - 2004.03.21 22:40:00 -
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Mmmmm yeah. We should have scouted that jump in point first and sent the appropriate balance of force with JFs approval. Sorry about that. We will try to be more fair and equal in the future.
Your comment baffles me. I said we redirected our forces elsewhere in the face of overwhelming force. I never said that it was not fair that you sent superior force.
To poorly translate an icelandic saying "many think that I am they" (what it means is that you put words into my mouth that you would yourself have uttered had you been in my position).
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.21 22:42:00 -
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To poorly translate an icelandic saying "many think that I am they" (what it means is that you put words into my mouth that you would yourself have uttered had you been in my position).
Not to be confused with the more common american saying "many think that I am ghey"
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2004.03.21 23:32:00 -
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Well done to the Jericho Fraction. The inevitable triumph of your forces was expected, but I must say not so soon.
Though you may not have done critical damage to FE, you have destroyed the little respect they had.
I would consider this an embaressment to the 0.0 corps and hope that those among them with dignity cleanse themselves of this cancer soon.
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hupa
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Posted - 2004.03.21 23:59:00 -
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oh dear.....
first off i wasnt there jade, actualy i dont beleive ive fired on anyone in jf since EPA, secoundly we were out to fiscaly destroy u heh, get real and i certinaly never asked merc frigs to attack you.
let me make this clear to you once and for all, there were elements in the F-E that how shall i put it.. dislike jf they did not ask me if it was ok to declare war on jf, now in game it might be an offical war but as far as the main ranks of F-E were concerend it wasnt i let it go on because i honestly couldnt care less, then came the smack the forum w***ing and with it bans and warnings, enough was enough u and i spoke about it and agreed, i told u i was retracting the war and u thanked me, we also agreed that neither party should post about each others corps for a few weeks so that things could cool down, u broke ur word on that, i keep to facts and i dont f**k about.
also anyone with a brain knows they cant kill jf never mind fiscaly hurt them, its impossible because all u do is fight in frigs, now u can say thats smart, i simply see it as being cowardly, when i was incharge of EPA we gave nva horriffic losses, EPA was 12ppl strong, jf have a hell of alot more than that so the excuse u used when we spoke that u cant afford to fight a war usin battleships has absoloutly no merit.
now please get real
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.03.22 00:07:00 -
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reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days
reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent
no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there.
This actually strikes me as the truth. As to this:
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All you lot are is GalNet forum warriors. You didn't fight, you ran around in frigates, (like you claim) and safe spotted when someone showed up... hardly worth having a war with someone when your adversary never shows up? Huh Constantine?
I'm afraid FE for the most part sat in their home systems for the entire war, mostly dealing with other opponents I guess. I had actually selected a couple of juicy targets but according to my location agents they never shifted from more than 2 hops away from Obe, and there's no way I'm going to suicide myself against a blobcorp in a futile attempt to get close. Meanwhile there were plenty of JF members engaging FE in on their home ground. Maybe frigates don't count for you, but the people who 'never showed up' were FE.
To be honest I was suprised that the wardec got withdrawn so quickly, ho hum. Still, our turn to wardec someone next time...
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hupa
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Posted - 2004.03.22 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: hupa on 22/03/2004 00:17:35
Athule, u speak sence m8, but please refrain from calling it a war, if it was a war i would have been there.
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