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Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/03/2004 16:25:12 FE Offensive Collapses as Civil Unrest and Political Feuding Dominates the Forsaken Empire. Following official confirmation in the early hours of this morning, I am able to announce that the Forsaken Empire (FE) has revoked its concord sanctioned corporate war against the Jericho Fraction(JERIC). As CEO of Jericho Fraction I can confirm that no negotiations or surrender terms or miscellaneous deals were offered to the Forsaken Empire, and this represents a unilateral ending of hostilities in Concord patrolled space at the sole discretion of our war enemies. Jericho Fraction remains unbeaten and unbowed and fully able to defend and confront the forces of reactionary tyranny and legacy memetics wherever such threats to freedom and fair aspiration might be found. At this time we are unable to fully understand the motivations and issues within the Forsaken Empire but from intelligence fragments, espionage feeds, political analysis and eye-witness accounts it appears the follow factors have contributed to this unilateral ending of the declared war: 1. Divisions within the Forsaken Empire government on the wisdom of engaging Jericho Fraction from day one. It appears that rogue ôhot-headsö and ôblow-hardsö in the Forsaken Military may have acted beyond their remit from reckless boredom and destructive ennui. Forsaken Empire military intelligence in recent days has been fighting a battle for the heart of the emperor in an effort to convince that person that a war against Jericho Fraction is neither; ôwinnableö nor ôdesirableö in any event. 2. Civil Strife in the Forsaken Empire between Imperialists and Pirates has broken out, with internecine feuding, bitter imprecations, allegations of hanger theft, treachery, bad-faith and all the associated political skeletons that have long haunted the successors of Smoked and M3G4 Corporation. The curse of Biomass would appear to continue, and the potential stability of reformed pirate ôempiresö is again most certainly up for question. FE Main Corporation appears to be haemorrhaging pilots by the hour and was down 50 or so last night. 3. Hard military pragmatics. It has become clear that the Jericho Fraction tactics of hit and run commerce raiding against soft targets while avoiding all engagement with the Imperial Forsaken Fleet has driven home the message of how difficult it truly is for a declared territorial power to fight a roving guerrilla force. Battleship squadrons are powerless to interdict fast moving frigate wolf-packs, and Jericho Fraction has successfully employ the pirate tactics of safe-spot retreats and soft-target raiding to hit FE client corporations and holders of protection ôticketsö. This has been an asymmetrical engagement of fleet assets effectively ôinvisibleö to each other. Not an engagement to the taste of Forsaken Fleet strategists. 4. Reputation. In economic terms, this conflict has thus far been close to totally irrelevant to both parties, with a handful of ship losses on both sides being easily set off against ordinary profitable activities. But in terms of reputation and public image it has been far more significant. And indeed for a ôregional allianceö to declare and engage a small corporation for two weeks without noticeable impact or result is something of a humiliating situation. Like the military reality of asymmetric engagements so too with public relations; Jericho Fraction could only win while Forsaken Empire could only lose in this action, for the mythology of the ôunderdogö is extremely significant, and it is vital that a territorial dominion like Forsaken Empire does not loose the ôbig stickö of assumed threat if it is to be taken seriously. 5. Diplomatic Implications. From the beginning of this declared campaign it has become very clear that Forsaken Empire is isolated politically, with verbal support only from their alliance partners in Curse, and nothing but cold distance or heated derision elsewhere in Eve. The attack on Jericho Fraction represented a further diplomatic gaff for the Forsaken Empire (in the wake of the abortive Stain declarations and withdrawal from Fountain) and performed the near miracle of actually reducing the EmpireÆs military reputation yet further. 6. Finally, some hours ago we received confirmation that the Forsaken Emperor himself had been slain by some form of covert raid and assassination involving primitive melee weapons and ritual murder. The shockwaves from this deed continue to reverberate through the remnant structures of the Forsaken government at it appears that the FE Propaganda and Public Relations minister Jhered Stern has adopted a new identity and role as ôThe Black Oracle of Curseö. What this means for the remaining Forsaken Empire fleet and auxiliary assets we can only guess. JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:04:00 - [2] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/03/2004 16:21:18 In conclusion. The Forsaken Empire war mandate and stated aim to ôfiscally crushö Jericho Fraction has failed. With the retraction of the war-declaration and obvious internal difficulties faced by the FE government it is clear that this Forsaken ôoffensiveö is over. What happens now is anybodyÆs guess. While it would be easy to see this as a complete "victory" for progressive political thinking and the anti-territoriality of the Jericho Fraction agenda, it would be extremely foolish to believe this heralds anything other than the beginning of a glorious fightback against those who would chain the stars themselves beneath the bitter yoke of reactionary greed and fiscal domination. This is a war for the hearts and minds of the human race. We stand at the juncture of past and future and look into a maelstrom of possibilies and far aspirations. We all of us must choose whether to fight and win, or live on our knees in times hereafter; the future is not our birthright to be taken gently as a gift might be, it is a prize to be chased and taken and won with glory and valor and bold adventure. The months ahead will be rife with tyrants and cartels and little dictators looking to carve out kingdoms in the silence of the frontier. They will claim their dominions if we let them. They would wield the whip and make us slaves if they could. But a bullet in the brain will cure such wide delusions! So fair listener, The lesson from this war is at the last quite simple. "never give up, never beg, and never stop fighting" In Eve the underdog will have his day! And Jericho having laughed in the face of the tyrant will stand and fight knowing our future is a prize worth the risk and finest gamble of our all our lives to come. Love and peace Jade Constantine CEO Jericho Fraction JF Public Forum
GFLTorque	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:15:00 - [3] Edited by: GFLTorque on 21/03/2004 16:16:34 Well, I guess after FE had to withdraw its ubber 24 hour WAR with MASS to create 3 empty war slots for their war with only Jericho they will now go pwn Moo and Evolution. I can see the posts now: F-E post: EvolmOotion had vastly superior numbers then we did in todays fight. Next F-E post: Well actually they had a lot more then we did. Next F-E post: Well more exactly they had a couple more then we did. Next F-E post: Well ok, maybe it was an even fight. Final F-E post: Crap ok, Squirrel whipped our arses by himself with a small smurgleblaster scout. Roflmao. Btw, I've looked in Empire, where do you buy the dos attack skill? You guys need all the excuses you can get. heheheheh 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:26:00 - [4] Heh. Never ceaces to amaze me Constantine. Quote: At this time we are unable to fully understand the motivations and issues within the Forsaken Empire but from intelligence fragments, espionage feeds, political analysis and eye-witness accounts it appears the follow factors have contributed to this unilateral ending of the declared war: I got some ideas on this, since i was talking with some of the F-E bigwigs the other day. All you lot are is GalNet forum warriors. You didn't fight, you ran around in frigates, (like you claim) and safe spotted when someone showed up... hardly worth having a war with someone when your adversary never shows up? Huh Constantine? Quote: Divisions within the Forsaken Empire government on the wisdom of engaging Jericho Fraction from day one. It appears that rogue ôhot-headsö and ôblow-hardsö in the Forsaken Military may have acted beyond their remit from reckless boredom and destructive ennui. Forsaken Empire military intelligence in recent days has been fighting a battle for the heart of the emperor in an effort to convince that person that a war against Jericho Fraction is neither; ôwinnableö nor ôdesirableö in any event. Heh. Nobody wants to fight jherico because of all of the smack you throw on the boards Constantine. I think it was more of a practical retraction then a political/personal one. Quote: 2. Right... Quote: Diplomatic Implications. From the beginning of this declared campaign it has become very clear that Forsaken Empire is isolated politically, with verbal support only from their alliance partners in Curse, and nothing but cold distance or heated derision elsewhere in Eve. The attack on Jericho Fraction represented a further diplomatic gaff for the Forsaken Empire (in the wake of the abortive Stain declarations and withdrawal from Fountain) and performed the near miracle of actually reducing the EmpireÆs military reputation yet further. Ofcourse their "isolated politically", Fool Gallente. F-E were at war with jherico, F-E being the corporation that it IS... that's possible.. CA is not a corp, Nor did it declare war on you band of misfits. The only way CA would goto war with JF, is if you run your mouth enough that council takes notice, and decies it (and some people in eve) have had enough of you. Then a Council movement (and order) is passed, that all active CA corps declare war on JF. That would bring your war count to well over 50, plus there would be CA agents in almost all parts of eve, being able to shoot you down anywhere. But i've derailed.. Point is, Sir. That CA didn't declare war on JF. "Being isolated politically" is a given... ôThe Black Oracle of Curseö Has a better ring to it then "** slinger" (you) doesn't it? "love and peace" Constantine. Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles** Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:35:00 - [5] I would like to ask Jericho and FE personnel to avoid rising to the bait of any unpleasantness posted by third parties in this thread please. As you can see my presentation was factual and fair and entirely free of smack and nonsense. As for mr Prophecy all I will say is "I know something you don't know" and have a little chuckle to myself while reading your words. I am sure we will be talking much more a little later on. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:41:00 - [6] Just helped me enjoy my croissant a little more Ms Constantine. Good to know some things don't change in the universe. Good croissant....Sun Rises...Propehcy's yowl at the moon...kids being cute and fish being fishy. Tata La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Dawson	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:50:00 - [7] Quote: Just helped me enjoy my croissant a little more Ms Constantine. Good to know some things don't change in the universe. Good croissant....Sun Rises...Propehcy's yowl at the moon...kids being cute and fish being fishy. Tata az Ambassador Admiral of the Blue Join BSC
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:55:00 - [8] Quote: Perhaps you'd care to offer the FE view of the events then, love? I think i did give you my view, "crap" was the key word honey bun ;)
Zagum Darkfin	Posted - 2004.03.21 16:55:00 - [9] Leave it to Jade to use 2000 words just to say, "We PWNZ JO0!!" Congrats. Oh, Prophecy next time you try to take me out in a Thorax, use a Blackbird, then maybe you can warp scramble better.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.03.21 17:39:00 - [10] go go jericho fraction. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
J3tt	Posted - 2004.03.21 17:46:00 - [11] simply stunning maybe SPVD should strap on the kicking ass boots ----------------------------------------- Can your pod outrun a cruise missle?
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.03.21 17:51:00 - [12] Join the fun friend! . Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Seleene	Posted - 2004.03.21 18:18:00 - [13] I said it before that there was no way FE would come out of this situation looking good, and now they are fighting each other? Damn! - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Shadowspawn	Posted - 2004.03.21 19:47:00 - [14] o ok
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.03.21 19:48:00 - [15] Quote: simply stunning maybe SPVD should strap on the kicking ass boots I wasn't aware you'd ever taken them off... There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Reddari	Posted - 2004.03.21 19:50:00 - [16] Quote: All you lot are is GalNet forum warriors. You didn't fight, you ran around in frigates, (like you claim) and safe spotted when someone showed up... hardly worth having a war with someone when your adversary never shows up? Huh Constantine? What do you know? Were you there when I engaged Jebidus' Skari scorpion in my Celestis Cruiser? Yes I had to retreat as his firepower was slightly more than mine and the flames were making pretty flashes. Later that evening we encountered a Thorax who used the popular Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock Dock Undock tactic to bore us to death. The last piece of action that night was two F-E battleships jumping into the system engaging our two cruisers and 3 frigates. We lost one frigate certainly but as someone who claims to PVP you understand our tactical disadvantage against two battleships (one would have been a fair fight). Being a GalNet warrior doesn't exclude ones EVE warriorness. Just like being able to talk without swear words doesn't mean you are not a tough guy
Havocide	Posted - 2004.03.21 20:36:00 - [17] reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there.
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.03.21 20:58:00 - [18] Quote: reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there. I'm a little confused about the reason to withdraw the war, now it looks like you lost it to. __________ Capacitor research
Techie Zero	Posted - 2004.03.21 21:02:00 - [19] Quote: Quote: reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there. I'm a little confused about the reason to withdraw the war, now it looks like you lost it to. Oh yeah man we got our butts kicked. We could not pay the fuel costs of our ships chasing JF ships everywhere. EVE-I.com~THE Info source
thuggie	Posted - 2004.03.21 21:14:00 - [20] so what? What's the point of going to war against a corp with prostitution as the main industry in the first place? You actually thought that you would kick their ass and make them shut up? come on.. geez. To quote alynthir from when this war was declared. "i cant wait to see what Jade's going to write when they need that war-slot for something usefull".
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.03.21 21:16:00 - [21] Quote: Oh yeah man we got our butts kicked. We could not pay the fuel costs of our ships chasing JF ships everywhere. I didn't say you got your but kicked by JF or that you lost the war, I simply said that it could look that way. But if we sum up the war than JF didn't lose much but you lost your dignity. __________ Capacitor research
hupa	Posted - 2004.03.21 21:19:00 - [22] hmmmm some of what jade says is true, though alot "asusual TM" aint. im not gona go through it point by point though, ill just state the simple facts. it was friday i went out got drunk didnt play eve at all, woke up saturday got drunk again, woke up sunday got drunk again, then monday i log in, find that 2 silly ppl within the F-E took it upon themselves too declare war on jericho, i wasnt pleased.... anyway i thought what the hell, ill let it go maybe J-F will give us a fight, anyway they didnt, they did kill 1 ship though a frigate in a fair duel so good stuff, im not sure how many we killed if any i didnt care, jericho did not once interfere with F-E ops not because they wouldnt but because they simply couldnt, i know it and they know it. conclusion.. i would never start a war on jericho reason... militarly there a joke, politicaly there bloody annoying all this equalls too an annoying war of smack talking and forum ***** gladiators, something the F-E has no time for. P.S. keep up the good propaganda jade, i need somethine to read durin downtime. and forgive my grammer... spell checkers and typing is evul
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.03.21 22:01:00 - [23] Quote: LOL Dignity?!?!? Is that some sort of new ship class Dignity? You know what it is when you find it Besides if you don't care about how people view your action and/or character then why do you keep replying to this thread? __________ Capacitor research
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.21 22:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 21/03/2004 22:31:51 Without wishing to get into silly discussions after the point there are some fairly clear facts here: 1. FE declared a war and their representatives publicly stated that the war aims were to "fiscally annihilate" Jericho Fraction. This is on record on these very forums in this FE war aims thread. 2. FE then proceeded not to attack, leaving the fighting to their sole allies Mercenary Frigates. We consider that MF fulfilled the role of FE auxillaries for this conflict and they payed a heavy price for it. (It is certainly true that FE moved some of their pilots across into MF for the fighting) 3. Once the MF threat was contained Jericho Fraction took the initiave and moved attack frigates on a nightly basis to FE stronghold systems. We inflicted casualties on frigates and industrial ships and FE clients. 4. Techie Zero and Prophetcy played no part in the campaign, though they both did play roles in various forum "activities". This does seem a recurring theme of corp forum "war" threads with the uninvolved people typically making the most noise. 5. Virtually every Jericho active combat pilot scored kills on the MF/FE forces and we were constantly on the offensive. Many of our people earned their veteran status and we received very valuable combat training in this operation. 6. As Havocide says, FE may have made the declaration as a "joke" but truly the joke was ultimately on them. JF was not prepared to play the "all line up at 50klicks and engage battleship gunfire game" and prefered to fight wars cleverly, playing to our strengths and avoiding the enemy strength. 7. Lets face it, as a totally outnumbered and economically outmatched opponent of the Forsaken Empire and MF allies it must be appreciated that the result will have surprised a few people, and it does make an important statement about the vulnerability of territorial dominions. FE declared a war and stayed on the defensive. That is no way to win. End of the day this has perhaps drawn a line under the old propaganda nonsense that Jericho never fights. Once Biomass successfully used that line to divide JF from our allies in the NVA in an ongoing propaganda campaign that ultimately saw us isolated and ejected from Venal in some disarray. How greatly the situation has changed in just three months for Jericho Fraction now, that we are able to survive the personal attention of an old war enemy that once "humbled" the NVA in mighty fleet battles. And as commentators to this thread have rightly noted: The losses here have not been ships and equipment but reputation and credibility. But at the last Hupa and Havorcide were there ... Techie Zero and Prophetcy were not. Its important to make that distinction I think, that the viewing public can better judge which opinions are spurious and which are at least founded in personal experience. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Reddari	Posted - 2004.03.21 22:40:00 - [25] Quote: Mmmmm yeah. We should have scouted that jump in point first and sent the appropriate balance of force with JFs approval. Sorry about that. We will try to be more fair and equal in the future. Your comment baffles me. I said we redirected our forces elsewhere in the face of overwhelming force. I never said that it was not fair that you sent superior force. To poorly translate an icelandic saying "many think that I am they" (what it means is that you put words into my mouth that you would yourself have uttered had you been in my position).
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.03.21 22:42:00 - [26] Quote: To poorly translate an icelandic saying "many think that I am they" (what it means is that you put words into my mouth that you would yourself have uttered had you been in my position). Not to be confused with the more common american saying "many think that I am ghey" __________ Capacitor research
Burga Galti	Posted - 2004.03.21 23:32:00 - [27] Well done to the Jericho Fraction. The inevitable triumph of your forces was expected, but I must say not so soon. Though you may not have done critical damage to FE, you have destroyed the little respect they had. I would consider this an embaressment to the 0.0 corps and hope that those among them with dignity cleanse themselves of this cancer soon. Tales from the EVE Cluster
hupa	Posted - 2004.03.21 23:59:00 - [28] oh dear..... first off i wasnt there jade, actualy i dont beleive ive fired on anyone in jf since EPA, secoundly we were out to fiscaly destroy u heh, get real and i certinaly never asked merc frigs to attack you. let me make this clear to you once and for all, there were elements in the F-E that how shall i put it.. dislike jf they did not ask me if it was ok to declare war on jf, now in game it might be an offical war but as far as the main ranks of F-E were concerend it wasnt i let it go on because i honestly couldnt care less, then came the smack the forum w*ing and with it bans and warnings, enough was enough u and i spoke about it and agreed, i told u i was retracting the war and u thanked me, we also agreed that neither party should post about each others corps for a few weeks so that things could cool down, u broke ur word on that, i keep to facts and i dont fk about. also anyone with a brain knows they cant kill jf never mind fiscaly hurt them, its impossible because all u do is fight in frigs, now u can say thats smart, i simply see it as being cowardly, when i was incharge of EPA we gave nva horriffic losses, EPA was 12ppl strong, jf have a hell of alot more than that so the excuse u used when we spoke that u cant afford to fight a war usin battleships has absoloutly no merit. now please get real
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:07:00 - [29] Quote: reason for starting war: to kill nubs on slow days reason for withdrawing war: ceo's thought you were an embarrasing opponent no need for a 2 page post, thats it all there. This actually strikes me as the truth. As to this: Quote: All you lot are is GalNet forum warriors. You didn't fight, you ran around in frigates, (like you claim) and safe spotted when someone showed up... hardly worth having a war with someone when your adversary never shows up? Huh Constantine? I'm afraid FE for the most part sat in their home systems for the entire war, mostly dealing with other opponents I guess. I had actually selected a couple of juicy targets but according to my location agents they never shifted from more than 2 hops away from Obe, and there's no way I'm going to suicide myself against a blobcorp in a futile attempt to get close. Meanwhile there were plenty of JF members engaging FE in on their home ground. Maybe frigates don't count for you, but the people who 'never showed up' were FE. To be honest I was suprised that the wardec got withdrawn so quickly, ho hum. Still, our turn to wardec someone next time... _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
hupa	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:12:00 - [30] Edited by: hupa on 22/03/2004 00:17:35 Athule, u speak sence m8, but please refrain from calling it a war, if it was a war i would have been there.
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:12:00 - [31] Quote: Quote: To poorly translate an icelandic saying "many think that I am they" (what it means is that you put words into my mouth that you would yourself have uttered had you been in my position). Not to be confused with the more common american saying "many think that I am ghey" lol
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:18:00 - [32] Quote: also anyone with a brain knows they cant kill jf never mind fiscaly hurt them, its impossible because all u do is fight in frigs, now u can say thats smart, i simply see it as being cowardly, when i was incharge of EPA we gave nva horriffic losses, EPA was 12ppl strong, jf have a hell of alot more than that so the excuse u used when we spoke that u cant afford to fight a war usin battleships has absoloutly no merit. Actually, standing orders for the first day or two was no flying in anything bigger than a cruiser. It quickly became apparent however that FE was going to spend no effort on us whatsoever so most of us have been tootling about our normal business since, other than the ones that visited your home system. If not lining up to be blobbed in Obe by a corporation that declared war on us is cowardice, then fair enough. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
hupa	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:34:00 - [33] Quote: Quote: also anyone with a brain knows they cant kill jf never mind fiscaly hurt them, its impossible because all u do is fight in frigs, now u can say thats smart, i simply see it as being cowardly, when i was incharge of EPA we gave nva horriffic losses, EPA was 12ppl strong, jf have a hell of alot more than that so the excuse u used when we spoke that u cant afford to fight a war usin battleships has absoloutly no merit. Actually, standing orders for the first day or two was no flying in anything bigger than a cruiser. It quickly became apparent however that FE was going to spend no effort on us whatsoever so most of us have been tootling about our normal business since, other than the ones that visited your home system. If not lining up to be blobbed in Obe by a corporation that declared war on us is cowardice, then fair enough. heh if i was u i wouldnt go near the obe/p3en area either, thats just smart
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:34:00 - [34] Quote: first off i wasnt there jade, actualy i dont beleive ive fired on anyone in jf since EPA, secoundly we were out to fiscaly destroy u heh, get real and i certinaly never asked merc frigs to attack you. Hupa, by "you were there" I kinda meant "there" in the "had a clue what was going on sense" since you were involved in latter discussions. As for the "fiscal destruction" thing. Well, I can only go on what your corporate PR people posted. Its there in black and white at the link. But I know, It was silly people saying silly things. ;) JF Public Forum
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.22 02:39:00 - [35] Quote: War pfft jf lost 1(typhoon) maybe another uncomfirmed bs and some criusers/frigates F-E lost little except havo pride taking a little dent ;) Haha, you guys always make me chuckle ... a 2nd mystery battleship ;) The point being we hunted you, not the other way around. And I spent quite a while looking for targets in OBE/P3 and up and we did come searching. And re the MF/FE thing ... we consider you the same alliance and corporation really. Because your share the same assets and pilots. You might think differently but this is the way we see it. JF Public Forum
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.03.22 03:12:00 - [36] Its a simple question, you either killed something significant or you didnt. I'm gonna have to assume you didnt :P
Rayvenous	Posted - 2004.03.22 07:48:00 - [37] Whatever ... As usual in forum wars no one is interested in the thruth and denies knowledge. I would say it¦s about time to lock this thread before anything bad comes from it ...
s0cks	Posted - 2004.03.22 09:02:00 - [38] LOL Its just a game... give a sht wot anyone thinks. FE started a war, FE ended a war. Thats it. They did cus they could.. there's no moral or political reasons - they were sat at their desk and they clicked declare war. Some people take this game way too seriously. Oh no - "FE have lost respect and their dignity to some Eve players" - like they give a sht.
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2004.03.22 10:18:00 - [39] Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 22/03/2004 10:20:01 Quote: Its just a game... give a sht wot anyone thinks. FE started a war, FE ended a war. Thats it. They did cus they could.. there's no moral or political reasons - they were sat at their desk and they clicked declare war. Some people take this game way too seriously. Oh no - "FE have lost respect and their dignity to some Eve players" - like they give a sht. Well, since you replied (okey, spammed) you obviously do care. Now for the relevat issues: Yes, it's a game. Public Relations is part of the game. If that ****es you off, play C&C or Quake. And for the record, to do something "because you can" may not be a "moral reason", but it does state quite alot about the morals of the person behind the action (or the character behind the action, but my impression is that neither F-E nor yourselves in MF roleplay, so it's left to the IRL person). And as for the effort of writing lengthy posts (as Jade has done on every oppurtunity, which has granted myself much pleasant reading), some people are quite quick to establish a train of thought for a post, and when that is combined with an ability to type quickly, writing long posts is not an "effort", it's a "pleasure" - though a pleasure that is over far to quickly. And as for reading it, some people tend to like the original novels better than the movies based on the novels, and a Jade-post(tm) - being only a few pages at the most - is a quick thing in comparison. Read the "speech of John Galt" in Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged. A monologue of 50 tightly packed pages (with advanced language and a lot of philosophic weight thrown around) should have you crawling back, begging for Jade to post something as short as a page or three.
Grimster	Posted - 2004.03.22 11:19:00 - [40] Quote: Some things I feel necessary to point out, MF is a separate entity to F-E and the two should not be considered the same I've been saying this for weeks. ad nauseum. Jade insists otherwise so she must be right???
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2004.03.22 11:43:00 - [41] Hupa sayeth: Quote: we also agreed that neither party should post about each others corps for a few weeks so that things could cool down, u broke ur word on that, i keep to facts and i dont f**k about. Did anybody notice that ? I'm curious as to whether this is true or a misunderstanding/lie... Chatlog anybody ? Jade comment ? Ignore ? http://eve.klaki.net/
Hanns	Posted - 2004.03.22 12:38:00 - [42] Quote: Oh yeah man we got our butts kicked. We could not pay the fuel costs of our ships chasing JF ships everywhere. ROFL...
Techie Zero	Posted - 2004.03.22 12:45:00 - [43] Quote: Quote: LOL Dignity?!?!? Is that some sort of new ship class Dignity? You know what it is when you find it Besides if you don't care about how people view your action and/or character then why do you keep replying to this thread? Because it's fun and funny! Why do we play at all? When it stops being fun, maybe I will stop! EVE-I.com~THE Info source
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.03.22 13:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 22/03/2004 13:22:27 Techie I appreciate the time you took to qualify your responses. It does help confirm something one felt compelled to consider with regard to your responses. They're just a piece of fun and don't really mean anything so it's safe to ignore them insofar as they add nothing of consequence to the debate. Paradoxes are wonderful. Once again, my thanks to you sir. La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.22 13:31:00 - [45] Perceptive ms Skyclad! (and quite correct) Sadly mr Zero made his purpose clear in the first response to this thread, and hence is best ignored hereafter. JF Public Forum
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.03.22 13:57:00 - [46] Could you furnish me with the name of your supplier please Techie? The topical application you employ upon your poor, chafed knuckles must be a formidable concoction! La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.22 14:28:00 - [47] Quote: LOL - keep it up Anyone would think you were desperate for a little more attention s0cks? ;) JF Public Forum
Darwin	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:33:00 - [48] F-E Moons all of EVE!!! Blah Blah..... Talk with your Guns Nubs!! We like *ing you off. Thats our Place. Maybe someday someone will attack us... Come on already what do we have to do to ** you off???? Stop talking lets Fliping fight already... Hell CCP gives you 40% insurance for free so you Fourm Fighter would grow some Nuts... edited by -Eris Discordia
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:45:00 - [49] we are pleased that peace has prevailed, a welcome outcome to the legal feud between your two great powers. And we are quite impressed by you Jade Constantine. May prosperity continue to trail you like the ribbon of a shooting star. Mitchello Caldari Technological Division
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:59:00 - [50] Quote: Anyone would think you were desperate for a little more attention s0cks? ;) Isn't that wot girls always want On that we can agree ... JF Public Forum
Lallante	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:56:00 - [51] this thread is a joke! It has to be. F-E takes on m0o on a regular bases (and has many kills of people we ALL have heard of), JF are just an embaressing bunch of frig pilots with impressive forum whoring abilities. They were a waste of F-E time and war slots. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Walking Contradiction	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:01:00 - [52] Quote: F-E takes on m0o on a regular bases (and has many kills of people we ALL have heard of) You're a joke!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:18:00 - [53] Quote: this thread is a joke! It has to be. F-E takes on m0o on a regular bases (and has many kills of people we ALL have heard of), JF are just an embaressing bunch of frig pilots with impressive forum whoring abilities. They were a waste of F-E time and war slots. But who believes "kill posts" Lallante? Its all just propaganda at the end of the day and lots of silly macho chaps claiming that modern combat has something to do with honour and courage and single code duello. But its interesting you reach the conclusions you have now after two weeks rather than stating them at the outset, non? Evolution in action. ;) JF Public Forum
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.03.23 01:47:00 - [54] Please keep the discussions on-topic and the replies friendly. The cleanup team wont be available at all times Thank you I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.23 01:59:00 - [55] A big thank you to the moderators for cleaning up this thread. And I would like to ask people very nicely, please don't post unneccessary stuff here. If you want a sensible discussion about the end of the war, then fine, lets debate. But it really isn't the place for silly baiting and oneupmanship. Thanks in advance JF Public Forum
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.23 10:41:00 - [56] So, what were the kills/losses scored? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.23 11:07:00 - [57] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 23/03/2004 11:08:29 I don't think either side were keeping a score as such. F-E declared war and stated their aims...They did not realise those aims. F-E retracted the war (Edited for typo) Star Fraction
Silverado19	Posted - 2004.03.23 13:24:00 - [58] Deep within this topic lies the reasons that the F-E will eventually fall. With Hupa's own admission,the so called leaders of F-E knew nothing about what was going on with this war. I wont get into more details on this post, but this was not the first time that this has happened and with my dealings with mr. Hupa, Darwin, Bjorn, & Zen later....it wont be the last. Even though Huff members of the F-E had somewhat recognized this previously, this fiasco with JF made us even more aware of the problems with F-E leadership. It wasn''t the final straw that made the Huff crew decide to go back out on their own, but it was certainly an image to us of things to come. Good luck to all F-E in the future.
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.03.23 14:17:00 - [59] Forgive my rough use of metaphor but FE's war with JF was like putting to sea in a boat full of holes. We sent you back to port with water in your bilges, a few rats have deserted you and someone left the wheelhouse door open with the keys in the ignition. Invitation for anyone to come along and take the good ship Forsaken Empire for a spin around the bay. So there you are, tied up alongside the dock. Thinking about patching the holes or selling the boat for scrap. It's up to you to assess the damage and determine whether she will put to sea with dignity anymore. My point, The good ship Forsaken Empire was a rickety ship to start with. She put to sea on rash orders, with an inept helmsman and a crew lacking coherence and direction. The course was set for bad seas and the ship floundered before she could complete her badly conceived mission. Blame the state of your ship and her crew before you blame the bad seas. La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.23 14:42:00 - [60] I was about to post something very much on the lines Silverado19, but you beat me to it. Militarily the war provided a bit of amusement for JF but posed zero threat (admitedly we were worried for a day or so and took appropriate preventative steps, but it very rapidly became clear that FE weren't about to come after us). JF in return posed zero strategic threat to FE, and possibly provided a bit of amusement for one or two FE members. We also knew that we were unlikely to damage a corp that had been strip mining 0.0 for the last few months, quite possibly with the assistance of 'hidden belts', in any real way in the short term. We were however more than willing to head for your systems to test the water a little in disposable ships ready for a longer term war alongside our allies. This plan obviously has been cut short to an extent, but FE remains a prime enemy of JF and we will continue to plan and plot for their long-term demise - and where possible provide concrete assistance as well. So much for the strictly military side - mostly a non-event with one or two minor interesting episodes. The war was extremely interesting for us in a number of other ways however. First of all we have the bizarre action of FE wardecing us. This came pretty much out of the blue, and was very good news to us. A corp with as many enemies as FE wardecing what is effectively a small but vocal corp that isn't just some mining corp that will roll over and die could only be highly embarrassing for FE. At best you could flake off a bit of paint from a few ships and at worst you could suffer a small number of humiliating (but most likely insignificant) defeats. Next up it quickly became clear that a number of your pilots wanted to come over and snuff us out 'very, very soon' - or more accurately said they would. In actual fact these pilots sat in Obe and systems one or two jumps away for the entirity of the war. I'm thinking in particular of the laughably ineffectual Christopher Xan here. This is quite silly really as it was FE that wardeced us, not the other way around. A handful of FE pilots the claiming that they couldn't find us when in fact we came to their system and they didn't leave to come after us, despite them being the aggressors, just makes FE look full of hot air. If anything JF are a very easy to corp to find - every post on the forum paints a rather large bullseye on your butt - something one or two of you would have found out first hand if the war had gone on for longer. Finally, we have the seemingly schizophrenic nature of FE. You have some sensible pilots and then you have a bunch of people that can't say more than half a sentence in local before resorting to smack-talk. You have major decisions made without the knowledge of the leaders - made worse by the fact that those decisions weren't welcome by the leadership and that they were also enacted. I could go on for quite some time about this, but the violent split off of Huff says it all really so going into further detail just isn't necessary. There are still people I like in FE, but it seems highly likely that further splits will eventually occur. FE tries to be all things to all people, but there are certain elements within that are incompatible with that. The old-style TTi eventually built up so many enemies without maintaining their own prestige that they fell, FE seems to be heading in the same direction. Rather like TTi, FE seems to have their heads in the sand about it - I wonder if they'll notice before it's too late? FE have the advantage of a solid PvP core that TTi didn't really have, but will it be enough when half or more of the established corps and alliances in EVE are gunning for them openly or in secret? Only time will tell, one thing's for sure - it won't be quick. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Darwin	Posted - 2004.03.23 15:02:00 - [61] Quote: Deep within this topic lies the reasons that the F-E will eventually fall. With Hupa's own admission,the so called leaders of F-E knew nothing about what was going on with this war. I wont get into more details on this post, but this was not the first time that this has happened and with my dealings with mr. Hupa, Darwin, Bjorn, & Zen later....it wont be the last. Even though Huff members of the F-E had somewhat recognized this previously, this fiasco with JF made us even more aware of the problems with F-E leadership. It wasn''t the final straw that made the Huff crew decide to go back out on their own, but it was certainly an image to us of things to come. Good luck to all F-E in the future. What are you talking about??? OMG!!!! It was Havocide and your Leader Bandit that started the War. Hupa, Zen, Bjorn, And me and nothing to do with it. I would not start a War agaisnt a Corp like JF. They are not a worth fighting + Jade drives me Crazy with Her yaping. So Silver stick to what you know Bro
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.23 16:33:00 - [62] I think his point stands though Darwin, you guys have a critically failing leadership structure and a pilot-base that literally doesn't care about the oft-expressed but seldom embraced values of the Forsaken Empire. Its a somewhat delightful irony to me that you are suffering exactly the same kind of problems that I experienced with the mid-term NVA. In that people get bored with "protecting" anything, and they just want to fight. Its all very well you Foresaken chaps talking about your imperial dreams and fleet structure and collective responsibility and all that reactionary tosh. But fundimentally you have a corp of bored pirates that want to shoot people. Trying to keep control over that is an almost impossible task and its the critical flaw at the centre of your planning. Hence we welcomed the war, because lets face it, we couldn't lose. All we had to do was stay alive for a few weeks until your next internal coup and tarrah! Jericho Fraction succeeds in defeating the dark clouds of territorial extremism. You have an unstable corporate power and deeply flawed structure. Not difficult to outlive such a thing Darwin. The mere fact that a) FE declared this war that even you admit was a fantastically bad idea and b) could not be won by your forces, shows terrible leadership and stunted vision. And thats the point that your ex-comrade is making I think. JF Public Forum
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.03.23 16:54:00 - [63] If you have any qyestions or concerns about moderation, you can mail the mods at [email protected] We will happily answer all your questions there. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Silverado19	Posted - 2004.03.23 17:20:00 - [64] Another admission by one of the five pillars (darwin) that he didnt even know what was going on.....I rest my case
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.23 17:23:00 - [65] Quote: Another admission by one of the five pillars (darwin) that he didnt even know what was going on.....I rest my case Hey - are you my alt or something? _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.03.23 17:30:00 - [66] Edited by: DB Preacher on 23/03/2004 17:30:44 Quote: Quote: Another admission by one of the five pillars (darwin) that he didnt even know what was going on.....I rest my case Hey - are you my alt or something? I reckon he is actually a younger more handsome version of you athule. He definitely hasn't caught your sperm-ear medical problem yet. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Christopher Xen	Posted - 2004.03.23 18:15:00 - [68] For full clarity, Havocide and bandit started the war, this in a sense was a mistake. For those reasons I am not going to go the the usual and extreme rhetoric and trolling as some people i know. Regarding the F-E civil war: Former members of Huff pushed bandit into splitting and going on at the time it was explained a 3-week excursion which roughly and loosely translated into were bored cause theres no one in eve left that has the guts to fight us. Now this point is true, everywhere we went we either met small and meaningless resistance in our strikes against NORAD, which again for clarity was to weaken there ability to harm FADE, a peaceful mining community. They couldnt attack PA, main reason was at the time peace had finally been achieved and as shaky as its been its lasted. They couldnt attack other regions due to the whole M0ovolution thing. All major regions agreed to put thier grudge matches and flame wars to the side until the "threat" had been eliminated. M0o and evolution facing fierce resistance from both the PA and F-E ran to attack miners in the south. So the members of what was HUFF did decide to leave to try and go on a killing spree. Huff was liked in general and at the time seen as absolutely necessary, no one wanted them gone save for a few members who caused the confusion and war in the first place. But again we said okay your old friends we'll let you get it out of your systems hoping they'd come back. edited by Eris Discordia
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2004.03.23 18:28:00 - [69] Now huff wanted to pirate the vale and tribute and geminate. F-E said NIMBY, not in my back yard, they got mad and there was a very immature and uncivilzed scuffle on TS which the pillars were all kicked along with all of the F-E members and allies. This led to an engagement between huff members and hupa or havocide. To make along story short Huff lost 8-10 battleships and a cruiser and F-E lost a cruiser. Then Huff ran as fast as they could to the syndicate to 1. escape us and 2. go on thier "killing spree". It saddens me tht HUFF left. but hey thier gone and not our problem anymore. The Mainstay being over 90% of its hardcore PvPers remain and are 110% as motivated as before. All we lost in essence was a butt load of alts and a few decent players, as for me I lost 2 of my best friends. Life goes on. F-E was shaken by these events but not weakened. If anything the F-E has been streamlined and all legitimacy maintained now that these upstarts are gone. Disclaimer: These are events of my perspective and this is not a statement from the empire. I will not respond to any posts or trolling flames. edited out the flamebait -Eris Discordia
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.03.23 18:53:00 - [70] If you feel that someone is trolling, please mail me at [email protected] with the charactername and link. Thank you I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Silverado19	Posted - 2004.03.23 19:05:00 - [71] Bygones, Chris your still considered my friend too.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.23 19:15:00 - [72] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/03/2004 19:17:43 I believe Christopher Xen supports the essential arguments already made. That internal tensions between pirates and "reformed" pirates in the Forsaken Empire made it an extremely disorganised and unstable organisation. The fact that the "five pillars" where not talking to each other and allowing a junior pilot "Havocide" to dictate war policy simply underlines the point that the leadership was in crisis. We certainly saw no consistancy in response from the Forsaken Empire while we were fighting, and as Athule has pointed out, even though FE wardecced, we had to come and fight them! Since the FE battleship fleet refused to budge from its core systems. At times the war was certainly a farce, with jericho attack frigates chasing lone FE battleships around .4 systems and showing up the limitations of all Battleship fleets. I personally dive-bombed FE capital ships with my cruise missile armed breacher and forced them to retreat. This was (in our view) great propaganda material. So argue as you will about the fiscal impact and low level of casaulties, but the point remains that for a prospective regional "super power" to target a smaller corporation for "complete fiscal eradication" (in the sense of Xen's words) and then fail to achive anything of note in the next 2 weeks is embarrassing and cannot fail to undermine the reputation of the aggressor in this conflict. And let lest anyone forget; I did personally come to OBE in the midst of the forsaken fleets and blow up two of your best pilots in single combat. The symbolism of that act alone is extremely significant. I am a talentless "carebear" trader and galnet warrior (in the words of FE) yet your finest were defeated in battle by my worthless skills. It does rather suggest that you might have one or two problems against a more earnest foe in the future chaps. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Darwin	Posted - 2004.03.23 19:43:00 - [73] Quote: Another admission by one of the five pillars (darwin) that he didnt even know what was going on.....I rest my case But you make no sence?? One of reasons you left was due to JF war? It was the Huff CEO that Declaired War. And to say we will Fall. ROFL... The true PVPers are still with F-E. You know that true, *I wont post numbers of what Happend in our little fight. But you should have stayed out of this Silver. This was not you place to post TRASH. Bandit is my Friend And I hold the upmost respect for Him. But for the rest of Huff that keeps starting Sh_it with us is causeing problems. I was going to take the War off with Huff but every time I turn around one of you are Smaking there lips.
Lord Guerdo	Posted - 2004.03.23 19:58:00 - [74] Quote: Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/03/2004 19:17:43 I believe Christopher Xen supports the essential arguments already made. That internal tensions between pirates and "reformed" pirates in the Forsaken Empire made it an extremely disorganised and unstable organisation. disorganised no unstable yes Quote: The fact that the "five pillars" where not talking to each other and allowing a junior pilot "Havocide" to dictate war policy simply underlines the point that the leadership was in crisis. Havocide is not a junior pilot he is a VERY experienced and skilled fighter pilot, you are nothing in comparisson, and to judge his skills when you obviously have no facts to back that up, just idle spin is a very very poor character attack. Quote: We certainly saw no consistancy in response from the Forsaken Empire while we were fighting, fighting........what fighting? Quote: and as Athule has pointed out, even though FE wardecced, we had to come and fight them! Since the FE battleship fleet refused to budge from its core systems. Ok you have a POTENTIAL m0o and evol fleet hiding in your space, you have had several skirmishes with both of these corps during the last week or so. You also have a war with a Self proclaimed PvP corp that pose NO THREAT WHAT SO EVER, what would you do, engage a some true PvP'ers or waste time on some n00bs? Quote: At times the war was certainly a farce, with jericho attack frigates chasing lone FE battleships around .4 systems and showing up the limitations of all Battleship fleets. uh huh yeah....... Quote: I personally dive-bombed FE capital ships with my cruise missile armed breacher and forced them to retreat. This was (in our view) great propaganda material. ROFLMFAO dont make yourself out ot be a hero, i chased your ass around nonni did you stop to fight??? edited out the flame -Eris Discordia I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ).
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:19:00 - [75] Jade, not trying to Hi-Jack your post, but I have a few things to say Ok Guys, I will not smack talk, troll or insult, i would just like to clear the air between HUFF and Forsaken Empire. Yes the old HUFF crew have left FE. for no other reason than to have some fun. People have different ideas of what fun is within eve. If those members still in FE are having fun then fair play. The relationship between us broke down over stupid mistakes, and "saying without thinking" from both parties. HUFF suffered losses, i will admit, but no one, wanted the 2 corps to come blows. I for one do not enjoy shooting at freinds, and would expect many people from each side feels this way. I say this to FE and HUFF. Were better than this guys, we need to put what happened in the past behind us, and get on with having fun. I've had enough of the bs. Lets all chill, were out of your hair, we have no reason to be fighting. To think that HUFF wanted to hurt FE or left with the intentions for this to happen is rediculous. Think about it, if we wanted we could have done some serious dmg to assets. But like i said. Were freinds, hell weve fought and died together, and i respect you all. This is all I gotta say. Hope we can be on talking terms at least, A Pointless fight over a few mistakes!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:24:00 - [76] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/03/2004 20:32:28 [Lord Guerdo wrote] Quote: disorganised no unstable yes, Havocide is not a junior pilot he is a VERY experienced and skilled fighter pilot, you are nothing in comparisson, and to judge his skills when you obviously have no facts to back that up, just idle spin is a very very poor character attack. Fighting........what fighting? I think its clear that its both unstable and disorganised, the ditching of corporate identities every 2 months is a bit of a give-away and as for Havocide, he *is* more junior than the "five pillers" and thus shouldn't have been dictating war declarations. Clearly, if you can't see that then its no wonder you can't see the instability in the organisation. And though you chose to see my "junior" comment (wrongly) as a character attack, I would point that I have no reason to fear his combat skills m'dear. And as for the fighting, well we brought to you, you chaps maintained a conversative defensive stance throughout. I certainly spend many evenings playing cat and mouse and firing cruise missiles at your warships and I scored kills (which is rather more than you did). Quote: Ok you have a POTENTIAL m0o and evol fleet hiding in your space, you have had several skirmishes with both of these corps during the last week or so. You also have a war with a Self proclaimed PvP corp that pose NO THREAT WHAT SO EVER, what would you do, engage a some true PvP'ers or waste time on some n00bs? I wouldn't have let a junior pilot dictate my corporations war policy in the first place. Declaring war is a significant and important step and should involve corporate votes and analysis of the potential outcomes. All of Eve would seem to have known this was a fight you couldn't win, yet somehow you still made the attempt and ended up looking foolish. And as for engaging ... I haven't noticed you chaps doing much of anything to be honest. Quote: ROFLMFAO dont make yourself out ot be a hero, i chased your ass around nonni did you stop to fight??? Please don't be silly, I don't fight on your terms m'dear. If I think I can spang cruise missiles off your shields and make you look foolish I will do so. If I think you have the slightest chance of winning then I will run and hide and wait until I can find another soft target. Its not a game of astrocricket you know ... Love and peace JF Public Forum
hupa	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:25:00 - [77] Quote: Deep within this topic lies the reasons that the F-E will eventually fall. With Hupa's own admission,the so called leaders of F-E knew nothing about what was going on with this war. I wont get into more details on this post, but this was not the first time that this has happened and with my dealings with mr. Hupa, Darwin, Bjorn, & Zen later....it wont be the last. Even though Huff members of the F-E had somewhat recognized this previously, this fiasco with JF made us even more aware of the problems with F-E leadership. It wasn''t the final straw that made the Huff crew decide to go back out on their own, but it was certainly an image to us of things to come. Good luck to all F-E in the future. ur a simple fellow rnt ya, poor soul, bandit was the piller that decide to start the war......... so what ya got to say bout that.
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:28:00 - [78] Quote: Quote: The fact that the "five pillars" where not talking to each other and allowing a junior pilot "Havocide" to dictate war policy simply underlines the point that the leadership was in crisis. Havocide is not a junior pilot he is a VERY experienced and skilled fighter pilot, you are nothing in comparisson, and to judge his skills when you obviously have no facts to back that up, just idle spin is a very very poor character attack. I think Jade meant it in the leadership sense, although Jade did actually beat Havocide in a 1 on 1 duel during the 'war'. I'm not suggesting that would happen if they met again, but still it isn't based on forum 'theory'. People who think that JF exist just on the forums and try to pick on us generally get a bit of a rude awakening. Quote: Quote: and as Athule has pointed out, even though FE wardecced, we had to come and fight them! Since the FE battleship fleet refused to budge from its core systems. Ok you have a POTENTIAL m0o and evol fleet hiding in your space, you have had several skirmishes with both of these corps during the last week or so. You also have a war with a Self proclaimed PvP corp that pose NO THREAT WHAT SO EVER, what would you do, engage a some true PvP'ers or waste time on some n00bs? True, but it just makes the wardec (your wardec) that much stupider. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Darwin	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:32:00 - [79] Quote: Jade, not trying to Hi-Jack your post, but I have a few things to say Ok Guys, I will not smack talk, troll or insult, i would just like to clear the air between HUFF and Forsaken Empire. Yes the old HUFF crew have left FE. for no other reason than to have some fun. People have different ideas of what fun is within eve. If those members still in FE are having fun then fair play. The relationship between us broke down over stupid mistakes, and "saying without thinking" from both parties. HUFF suffered losses, i will admit, but no one, wanted the 2 corps to come blows. I for one do not enjoy shooting at freinds, and would expect many people from each side feels this way. I say this to FE and HUFF. Were better than this guys, we need to put what happened in the past behind us, and get on with having fun. I've had enough of the bs. Lets all chill, were out of your hair, we have no reason to be fighting. To think that HUFF wanted to hurt FE or left with the intentions for this to happen is rediculous. Think about it, if we wanted we could have done some serious dmg to assets. But like i said. Were freinds, hell weve fought and died together, and i respect you all. This is all I gotta say. Hope we can be on talking terms at least, A Pointless fight over a few mistakes! Thank GOD!!! Iam sick of the Smack talk.... Silver you where out of line Bro. F-E has posted nothing about about Huff. Me and Bandit wanted this to just Die down and go away. Thanks Frakri and i wish the best
Darwin	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:34:00 - [80] Edited by: Darwin on 23/03/2004 20:37:37 Quote: Quote: Quote: The fact that the "five pillars" where not talking to each other and allowing a junior pilot "Havocide" to dictate war policy simply underlines the point that the leadership was in crisis. Havocide is not a junior pilot he is a VERY experienced and skilled fighter pilot, you are nothing in comparisson, and to judge his skills when you obviously have no facts to back that up, just idle spin is a very very poor character attack. I think Jade meant it in the leadership sense, although Jade did actually beat Havocide in a 1 on 1 duel during the 'war'. I'm not suggesting that would happen if they met again, but still it isn't based on forum 'theory'. People who think that JF exist just on the forums and try to pick on us generally get a bit of a rude awakening. Quote: Quote: and as Athule has pointed out, even though FE wardecced, we had to come and fight them! Since the FE battleship fleet refused to budge from its core systems. Ok you have a POTENTIAL m0o and evol fleet hiding in your space, you have had several skirmishes with both of these corps during the last week or so. You also have a war with a Self proclaimed PvP corp that pose NO THREAT WHAT SO EVER, what would you do, engage a some true PvP'ers or waste time on some n00bs? True, but it just makes the wardec (your wardec) that much stupider. ROFL!! what does Jade know about F-E? That would be like me posting what is wrong within JF. She doesnt know and posting like you do makes you look stupid
Silverado19	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:36:00 - [81] My apologies out to Hupa, Zen later, Bjorn & Darwin. It was not my place to make comments on the forums regarding this. My comments do NOT reflect those of HUFF. And it was also not my place to post this when bandit and darwin were trying to put out the fire. Please do not hold a corp grudge against HUFF for the fault of myself.
Havocide	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:38:00 - [82] Darwin has turned into forum slag
Silverado19	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:38:00 - [83] My apologies out to Hupa, Zen later, Bjorn & Darwin. It was not my place to make comments on the forums regarding this. My comments do NOT reflect those of HUFF. And it was also not my place to post this when bandit and darwin were trying to put out the fire. Please do not hold a corp grudge against HUFF for the fault of myself.
Darwin	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:44:00 - [84] Quote: Darwin has turned into forum slag Yea well somehow its your Fault!!!!!
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2004.03.23 20:56:00 - [85] Quote: .... ROFL!! what does Jade know about F-E? That would be like me posting what is wrong within JF. She doesnt know and posting like you do makes you look stupid So, what precisely in the post you quoted as making me look stupid wasn't true then? If it wasn't a stupid wardec, why did you withdraw it? Did Jade not beat Havocide in a 1 on 1? Would it have been a better war strategy to ignore M0o and Evolution and go after the JF frigates? _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.23 21:16:00 - [86] Quote: ROFL!! what does Jade know about F-E? That would be like me posting what is wrong within JF. She doesnt know and posting like you do makes you look stupid Ironically Darwin, I happen to know an awful lot about the inner workings of the FE. As you probably know I recruited M3G4 traitors during the NVA war and many of these chaps are still highly placed in your organisation. FE does have a problem with unreliable pilots, I guess its a "reformed pirate" thing, lots of your chaps feel they should be the one's making decisions and calling the shots and when they get shouted down by the "five pillars" they come running to me. You know we have always been close, I helped you to destroy Smoked and M3G4, Biomass returned the favour by destroying my place in the NVA, we had a brief estrangement, and then Havocide asked us to dance again and so the wonderous waltz of whispering and little betrayals begins again. Never believe everything you hear Darwin, and promises given are not the same as deals done. But remember this, any time you want a war we are waiting. JF Public Forum
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.03.23 21:43:00 - [87] Hush rabbit ..... you still not getting any attention ... 60% of The F-E cannot go into empire space so why should shooting JF be anything more than an enjoyable past time when you venture out of your holes ..... The only thing you managed to destroy was the Venal Alliance ..... Waiting for all the JF puppet strings to be pulled .. Yap Yap Mongo speaks !!
Ubix	Posted - 2004.03.23 22:24:00 - [88] aww .. I wish we could all move on to a better place. Things just don't seem to have changed since the Venal Wars for some folk. I wonder what Smoked is up to these days. UBIX
crice	Posted - 2004.03.23 22:29:00 - [89] You guys asked for it. Jade you know you will crush all of EVE on the Forums. Be Proud. DRAMA
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.03.23 22:32:00 - [90] Quote: Hush rabbit ..... you still not getting any attention ... Your war declaration appears to imply that you wanted our attention. It appears you got it. The attention you have received isn''t quite to your liking. Oh dear. Perhaps this will serve a useful purpose. It should teach you the folly of leaving your less astute members to point declarations of war about the place. Quote: 60% of The F-E cannot go into empire space so why should shooting JF be anything more than an enjoyable past time when you venture out of your holes ..... So, you (as in FE) allowed someone in your corp to declare a war where the simple act of declaration effectively hamstrung 60% (your figures) of your forces? The remaining 40% did.....very little but wallow in your own hole in OBE. Why should we venture out of our "holes" when your declaration of war (and stated aim of crushing us fiscally) implied FE were willing and able to come and dig us out of said "holes"? Imagine our surprise when we had to leave our "holes" to come looking for this ravening horde of baying hounds bent on our ruin. Can you? Imagine our surprise? As for an enjoyable pastime...yes, it was thankyou. Nice of you to acknowledge that Mongo. I'm quite sure we enjoyed it more than yourselves. La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Asmodia	Posted - 2004.03.23 23:22:00 - [91] back to the topic ... Jericho Fiction combat statistics of the last 3 month: kills : 1 krestel losses: 1 moa ingame logins : 1 forum logins :4455345645644646 btw F-E not FE and F-E is part of the CA ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Captain Canuck	Posted - 2004.03.23 23:32:00 - [92] Quote: back to the topic ... Jericho Fiction combat statistics of the last 3 month: kills : 1 krestel losses: 1 moa ingame logins : 1 forum logins :4455345645644646 btw F-E not FE and F-E is part of the CA Please limit your posts to topics that you have some knowledge about (so do not post anything, ever). You cannot possibly know how many kills/losses we have had, therefore your post is just a troll, and a very poor one at that. Who lets these people in here anyway? I think people should have to pass an IQ test to post here....or maybe just be able to spell IQ...hmm...anything would be better than having to surf through posts such as these.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 00:09:00 - [93] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/03/2004 00:54:01 Quote: back to the topic ... Jericho Fiction combat statistics of the last 3 month: kills : 1 krestel losses: 1 moa ingame logins : 1 forum logins :4455345645644646 btw F-E not FE and F-E is part of the CA Well, lets see, in the last month I have personally killed ... 1 Blackbird, 1 Moa, 1 badger, 4 kestrels, 2 Vigils, 1 rifter, 1 gryphon, and several more miscaellenous frigates that passed in a blur of cruise. I have half a dozen corpses in the hanger and made about 30m from the loot. I've lost ... 1 rifter 2 breachers (no poddings) And I'm one pilot amongst 60. Seems to make your calculations look a bit silly Asmodia. Perhaps if you look really hard you might find a clue. Damn ... i forgot the incursus that Maud blew me up in when we were fooling about camping! ;) JF Public Forum
Acix	Posted - 2004.03.24 00:41:00 - [94] Edited by: Acix on 24/03/2004 00:42:25 Jade, you have stated quite a kill list and said you collected 30 million from the loot. Could you provide a list of names, times, dates, anything to back that up? Without posting names dates and ship type your reply seems empty. Your time with the NVA should have given you the experience about posting this info in with these types of replies. A list without the long drawn out post to go with it please. On a side note: Have you ever noticed that most sports games have a tie or draw catagory. It is there for a reason. This is not a victory for either side no matter how you spin it. Just call it a draw and leave it at that. SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts. For more info click below http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313
Al Thorr	Posted - 2004.03.24 00:45:00 - [95] At the end of the day ... this is 5 pages of Bovine excrement. Whats done is done - time to press forward.(or worry about the past then press forward) To take a victory from this would (imo) be embarassing. Put this thread to bed. Regards Al Thorr . I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 00:49:00 - [96] Quote: Jade, you have stated quite a kill list and said you collected 30 million from the loot. Could you provide a list of names, times, dates, anything to back that up? Without posting names dates and ship type your reply seems empty. Your time with the NVA should have given you the experience about posting this info in with these types of replies. I don't care if you believe it or not Acix. I have no emotional stake in kills. Its just war. I'm not playing those silly games, but the people who got shot down sure know it. And tbh, you didn't impress me much last night, so lets not pretend overmuch civility now. FE know the truth, MF know the truth. You, sorry, I just don't much care what you think. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Acix	Posted - 2004.03.24 01:30:00 - [97] Quote: I don''t care if you believe it or not Acix. I have no emotional stake in kills. Its just war. I''m not playing those silly games, but the people who got shot down sure know it. And tbh, you didn''t impress me much last night, so lets not pretend overmuch civility now. FE know the truth, MF know the truth. You, sorry, I just don''t much care what you think. Love and peace You write as tho you have a huge emotional bond, with something that can only be associated to what a horse percieves a fly as. Now that you mention it I was not very civil last night. Your silk covered paraphrased bashings to other posters is not either. Well worded or not, your post is intended to draw people in to your most enjoyable part of this game. I have a lot of respect for most of the FE. I have fought along side many pilots that are now members. The only contact I have had with your group is reading the well worded "smack talk" from your corp. To put it bluntly, you have made a mountain out of a mole hill. The little respect I have had for you is gone. SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts. For more info click below http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 01:37:00 - [98] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/03/2004 01:38:50 Quote: I have a lot of respect for most of the FE. I have fought along side many pilots that are now members. The only contact I have had with your group is reading the well worded "smack talk" from your corp. To put it bluntly, you have made a mountain out of a mole hill. The little respect I have had for you is gone. Since you are happy to reveal your bias I am happy to categorise you as one of the enemy. I suspect I will survive your lack of respect also. Good luck in making a name for yourself in the Eve star cluster in times to come. Perhaps one day people might hear of your deeds. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Kerosene	Posted - 2004.03.24 02:22:00 - [99] All I've read there was 5 pages of.. JF - Come on then! F-E - Can't be arsed...
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 02:33:00 - [100] Quote: All I've read there was 5 pages of.. JF - Come on then! F-E - Can't be arsed... Lol, thats one of the better thought out interpretations I've read in this thread m'dear, bravo! JF Public Forum
Propehcy	Posted - 2004.03.24 05:08:00 - [101] cough Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member http://www.designegrafix.com/eve/prop5.jpg Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley. The Prop And Notferr Chronicles Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud. Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr... [ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE.
Acix	Posted - 2004.03.24 05:56:00 - [102] Edited by: Acix on 24/03/2004 05:57:35 Quote: Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/03/2004 01:38:50 Since you are happy to reveal your bias I am happy to categorise you as one of the enemy. I suspect I will survive your lack of respect also. Good luck in making a name for yourself in the Eve star cluster in times to come. Perhaps one day people might hear of your deeds. Love and peace I have no want for the attention you crave. I do not want my name in lights in the eve cluster like you. THe ones that know me ,know of me through my actions already. That is enough for me. I have fought along side many people in many wars in eve. I have respect for friend and foe alike, if they prove themselves worthy of that respect. What I said before does not quantify into taking either side. The respect I once had for you was that you never gave up no matter the odds or how many times you had to rebuild. This thread and many proceeding it was how you lost the respect. You can reply all you want. But sorry forum warrior level 99999999999999999999 I will not be drawn into reading any thread that you start again. SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts. For more info click below http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 06:20:00 - [103] Quote: The respect I once had for you was that you never gave up no matter the odds or how many times you had to rebuild. This thread and many proceeding it was how you lost the respect. Ironic then that its the very traits you past revere that drive you now to hate and loathing, ah, 'tis ever thus with wounded love and heart's desire most cruelly unfulfilled. If you ever respected me then you would see that my words are ever thus and simply unbowed and unrepented in the face of terrible and earnest threat. Quote: (y)ou can reply all you want. But sorry forum warrior level 99999999999999999999 I will not be drawn into reading any thread that you start again. I'll shed a momentary tear for the loss (at least on the provisional truth of first spoken words) but then I remember what you wrote last night and so must resolve to doubt your honour and honourable respose and think it merciful hence to forever be denied your spite and close attention in times to come. Every cloud has a silver lining monsieur. JF Public Forum
Tsual	Posted - 2004.03.24 11:44:00 - [104] Edited by: Tsual on 24/03/2004 11:45:24 Someday we will see "My political decisions, conspirancies and wars in the world of eve" by Jade Constantine on the shelves of bokstores. -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.03.24 11:56:00 - [105] Quote: The only thing you managed to destroy was the Venal Alliance ..... and they failed at that :) The venal alliance has never been destroyed, we've just undergone corporate "rebranding", wave to consignia :P Jerricho, FE, TTI, Mega, Evolution and others havn't ever destroyed the alliance, they've justed helped it evolve into what it is today, and others will in the future help it evolve into who knows what. Anyhow, I'll let you all return to the original topic now. Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
DB Preacher	Posted - 2004.03.24 12:28:00 - [106] Quote: I've lost ... 1 rifter 2 breachers (no poddings) Are two of those the ones you lost to Reikoku's Bosie? If so, then Reikoku have killed more of your ships than your enemies P.S. Asmodia, you truly have troll LvL 5. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 15:40:00 - [107] Quote: Quote: I've lost ... 1 rifter 2 breachers (no poddings) Are two of those the ones you lost to Reikoku's Bosie? If so, then Reikoku have killed more of your ships than your enemies dbp Damn there's another one I forget (blanked out ;) Actually I think that needs categorising as a self-ending since I fired a spread of cruise missiles at Bosie about 5 klicks away from a sentry gun ... doh! JF Public Forum
Skillz	Posted - 2004.03.24 15:58:00 - [108] Miso lost her tempest to HammaH. The only regret is that it wasen't a Forsaken tempest, but we're equal oppertunity gankers. BTW: Don't be afk, we wanted to ransom. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 16:27:00 - [109] Quote: Miso lost her tempest to HammaH. The only regret is that it wasen't a Forsaken tempest, but we're equal oppertunity gankers.BTW: Don't be afk, we wanted to ransom. Yeah Skillz, good kill fair cop. There is no excuse for it. Miso is currently receiving classes in "don't be stupid" 101. I remember HammaH with fondness from the heights of the Pain Syndicate vs M3G4 fighting. One of the best combat pilots in Eve for my money, and a truly a deadly fighter. Congrats and just a shame it couldn't be a actual combat on this occassion. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.03.24 17:11:00 - [110] Quote: Quote: Quote: I've lost ... 1 rifter 2 breachers (no poddings) Are two of those the ones you lost to Reikoku's Bosie? If so, then Reikoku have killed more of your ships than your enemies dbp Damn there's another one I forget (blanked out ;) Actually I think that needs categorising as a self-ending since I fired a spread of cruise missiles at Bosie about 5 klicks away from a sentry gun ... doh! Does that include the frigate I killed?
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.24 17:24:00 - [111] Quote: Does that include the frigate I killed? I already edited the first post to include your "kill" Maud you attention seeker! Sheesh (still I hope this proves the point that during an active war campaign against the FE I lost more ships to my own side than I did to them!) Haha JF Public Forum
Marichek	Posted - 2004.03.24 19:17:00 - [112] Quote: Sheesh (still I hope this proves the point that during an active war campaign against the FE I lost more ships to my own side than I did to them!) Haha Yet another reason that we did not need to bring the fight to you. DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.03.24 19:42:00 - [113] Quote: Quote: Sheesh (still I hope this proves the point that during an active war campaign against the FE I lost more ships to my own side than I did to them!) Haha Yet another reason that we did not need to bring the fight to you. Maybe but I know the joy that is shooting at Jade.
Halseth	Posted - 2004.03.24 22:06:00 - [114] Come on, people! I know you can squeeze at least one more page out of this very entertaining thread.
limpy bint	Posted - 2004.03.24 22:10:00 - [115] Quote: Come on, people! I know you can squeeze at least one more page out of this very entertaining thread. Clearly it just needs a helping hand, bump
Mitchman	Posted - 2004.03.24 23:20:00 - [116] Come on, people! Aren't YOU bored at work every now and then?
Arcturius II	Posted - 2004.03.25 00:35:00 - [117] Quote: At the end of the day ... this is 5 pages of Bovine excrement That's the most sense I've seen in this thread, give that man a trophy.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2004.03.25 02:52:00 - [118] Die thread Die!!! -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.03.25 04:34:00 - [119] Quote: Die thread Die!!! /sulks ... why does everyone always want my threads to die? Can't they grow old with dignity and just slip off the front page from time to time? Its not neccessary for people to post "wot a load of rubbish" really is it? The best way to demonstrate complete lack of interest in a subject is not to post at all ... surely? That makes sense I hope? For my part I think it was a decent thread that illustrated some military realities and drew a line under a war. And lets face it, Eve has a shortage of wars that actually end. In this case it did! Hurrah, we should applaud the memory of clean resolution and resolve to press future disputes to similar standards of distinctive conclusion. But for now it is clearly over, so lets just stop posting on it perhaps? Let the poor fellow drift away into page 2 and 3 and the gentle oblivion of the corporate forum back catelogue of heights and lows of true experience. The future is another day! Let the bold march of progress commence! JF Public Forum
Jehutty	Posted - 2004.03.25 11:22:00 - [120] I am so happy to see that Ms. Jade is still giving it a good fight.I leave for 2 months and as I leave I hear Jade saying the same things that she is saying now,At least before I left the copws werent as bad and the the sentry guns werent as ***.But it warms my heart to see Jade is still sitting around wasting days at a time I am sure to manage to write such wonderful wordy threads! :CLAP CLAP CLAP: I am sure if the world was to end tomorrow there would only be one person to manage to stay alive just to go to the forumns and type away! No matter how big No matter how strong It always boils down to name calling !!!

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