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Tal Nok
Amarr
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tal Nok on 11/01/2008 17:54:09
I'm going to cover a few topics here.
1) I'm trolling
2) I'm bored at work and spit coffee out my nose reading this thread
3) OP is probably one of the most ignorant people I've ever come accross. Even buying in game money for EQ1 / Ultima Online 10 years ago was against in game rules. Where have you been the past decade of online gaming?
3a)If you click on that "accept button" for every piece of software that you install, I highly suggest signing up for Lifelock especially if your a US citizen. Muhammad Ji'had would love your social and your credit card numbers from that spam software you installed - where it clearly stated it was going to steal your identity and all your money. (was that a plug? nah)
4) For those arguments of GTC vs Isk buying is the same: your idiots, go to college, go take some economics classes, ask the isk sellers if they also sell common sense, you will need that too.
5) You said you were quitting eve because of your own mistakes yet I think it was on page 3 you said your going to buy some GTC's to get your wallet to positive. Awesome.
5a)Can you buy some extra GTC's, get some BPO's, and give my alt hanger access with the fresh, newly purchased BPO's? I'd kinda like to see you whine about that too 
6) Boss is here, saw me typing, and said "Ah, if your that busy, I'll talk to you later". Excellent.
EDIT: Oh yeah, that court thing. You must be joking. I would actually watch Judge Joe Brown or Judge Judy for once if you even tried, just to watch everyone laugh at you, in unicen.
 Originally by: hellsknights
It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
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Marrano Cardosa
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
Playing Devils Advocate for the moment - buying ISK and buying GTCs is essentially the same thing, the only difference is with GTCs the money ends up in CCPs pockets (by proxy) as opposed to the chinese farmers.
Acting like one version is morally reprehensible whilst the other is a-ok doesn't really make sense when you boil it down and realise that both methods result in the same thing - ISK just "appearing" ingame, people with artificially bigger wallets, etc. I'd surmise that a newbie who buys 400M worth of ISK either via GTCs or direct is having a destabilising influence on the game in both cases.
Surely if you look at this issue dispassionately it's obvious that characters should have to work equally as hard to make ISK, you shouldn't be able to buy your way up the ladder if you happen to have more real-life cash. It just strikes me as odd really that a game like Eve would have such a pioneering skill development system (i.e. everyone ranks up at the same speed as opposed to based on who has the most time to play the game), yet CCP openly support a system whereby 1 day old characters can have billions in their wallet legitimately.
You are missunderstanding how both GTC and ISK sellers work. In both case NO ISK just appears, it is all earned by someone. Its just that in the case of the GTC buyer, they earn it during actual play, while the ISK sellers are mostly dependant on farmers and macros.
CCP has set up a nice system that allows players if they wish to exchange ingame assets for more time ingame. That is the GTC. GTC's can also be bought for cash.
Look at the ISK seller vs GTC trade as the difference between buying cigarettes legally or off the black market. Yeah, you get a few more cigs for your money on the black market (mostly cause you avoid taxes) but that carries the risk of getting caught and penalized.
Yes, the GTC trade and ISK sellers allow you to exchange RL cash for someonelse's time and effort, but that is a seperate discussion as to whether or not it is hypocritical of CCP to allow for a legal method of making such an exchange.
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Lobster Man on 11/01/2008 18:39:50
This is somewhat reassuring...showing that CCP is at least aware of the isk farming problem and is trying to prevent purchased isk from flooding the markets.
BUT! on the same token, if the guy who is now -400m just leaves the game, the farmers still won and CCP has simply lost a customer while still allowing the farmers to screw the market.
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Mavil
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:43:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Lobster Man
Edited by: Lobster Man on 11/01/2008 18:39:50
BUT! on the same token, if the guy who is now -400m just leaves the game, the farmers still won and CCP has simply lost a customer while still allowing the farmers to screw the market.
On a brighter note, the average IQ of the EVE population has just gone up!
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vasco di
Gallente
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:48:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa
Originally by: Durzel
Playing Devils Advocate for the moment - buying ISK and buying GTCs is essentially the same thing, the only difference is with GTCs the money ends up in CCPs pockets (by proxy) as opposed to the chinese farmers.
Acting like one version is morally reprehensible whilst the other is a-ok doesn't really make sense when you boil it down and realise that both methods result in the same thing - ISK just "appearing" ingame, people with artificially bigger wallets, etc. I'd surmise that a newbie who buys 400M worth of ISK either via GTCs or direct is having a destabilising influence on the game in both cases.
Surely if you look at this issue dispassionately it's obvious that characters should have to work equally as hard to make ISK, you shouldn't be able to buy your way up the ladder if you happen to have more real-life cash. It just strikes me as odd really that a game like Eve would have such a pioneering skill development system (i.e. everyone ranks up at the same speed as opposed to based on who has the most time to play the game), yet CCP openly support a system whereby 1 day old characters can have billions in their wallet legitimately.
You are missunderstanding how both GTC and ISK sellers work. In both case NO ISK just appears, it is all earned by someone. Its just that in the case of the GTC buyer, they earn it during actual play, while the ISK sellers are mostly dependant on farmers and macros.
CCP has set up a nice system that allows players if they wish to exchange ingame assets for more time ingame. That is the GTC. GTC's can also be bought for cash.
Look at the ISK seller vs GTC trade as the difference between buying cigarettes legally or off the black market. Yeah, you get a few more cigs for your money on the black market (mostly cause you avoid taxes) but that carries the risk of getting caught and penalized.
Yes, the GTC trade and ISK sellers allow you to exchange RL cash for someonelse's time and effort, but that is a seperate discussion as to whether or not it is hypocritical of CCP to allow for a legal method of making such an exchange.
I actually see GTC selling as a leveler between those who can spend a lot of time ingame making ISK and those who can't. People who can spend time making ISK tend to be RL cash poor (relatively speaking), whereas those who have less time to make ISK tend to have more RL cash.
So, by allowing the selling of GTC's CPP allow people like me (Cash Rich, ISK Poor) to gain ISK to buy ships and enjoy the game in a way that would not otherwise be available to me. Hence, keeping me interested and playing and paying.
The same mechanism is allowing those people who can make lots of ISK to play the game for no RL cash by buying a GTC from me for ISK. I effectively pay their subscription for them.
We all end up with a more evenly balanced player base which keeps the game fair and fun to play.
I don't know which of these groups the OP falls into, but I bet he wishes that you could buy brains and common sense as easily as GTC's :)
That's my 2 ISK worth anyway.
Vasco
Cortes nerfed my sig
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vasco di
Gallente
Aurora Security
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mavil
Originally by: Lobster Man
Edited by: Lobster Man on 11/01/2008 18:39:50
BUT! on the same token, if the guy who is now -400m just leaves the game, the farmers still won and CCP has simply lost a customer while still allowing the farmers to screw the market.
On a brighter note, the average IQ of the EVE population has just gone up!
QFT
Vasco
Cortes nerfed my sig
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Mocha Latte
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:02:00 -
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Quote:
so we buy isk to end the decks
I would say 'can I have your stuff', but...
- It appears all of your stuff was blown up
- You are now too poor to afford new stuff
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Kaaii
Caldari
PixelJuice Design
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:04:00 -
[128]
This thread is NOT going to end well 
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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nabort
Section Five
Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:09:00 -
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Lol, I presume you're a Limestar alt, in which case I'm sorry you were forced to buy ISK to pay our ransom, but can flipping annoyed our clients m'kay?
And btw, even if you had a massive fleet, your setups were, by and large, not the greatest I've ever seen. Hyperions fitting 6x co-processors and an invul field as a tank do not have a great life expectancy.
We experienced massive lag in that fight too, but we held it together.
Props for taking this war head on though.
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Vavie
Gallente
RED SQUAD
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:11:00 -
[130]
hahahaha omg boon [email protected] :))
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: nabort
Lol, I presume you're a Limestar alt, in which case I'm sorry you were forced to buy ISK to pay our ransom, but can flipping annoyed our clients m'kay?
And btw, even if you had a massive fleet, your setups were, by and large, not the greatest I've ever seen. Hyperions fitting 6x co-processors and an invul field as a tank do not have a great life expectancy.
We experienced massive lag in that fight too, but we held it together.
Props for taking this war head on though.
Ah, now I see why people want to be mercs...
The client pays...
The people you're contracted to hit pay...
And there are lots of lulz...
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: nabort
Edited by: nabort on 11/01/2008 19:16:33
Lol, I presume you're a Limestar alt, in which case I'm sorry you were forced to buy ISK to pay our ransom, but can flipping annoyed our clients m'kay?
And btw, even if you had a massive fleet, your setups were, by and large, not the greatest I've ever seen. Hyperions fitting 6x co-processors and an invul field as a tank do not have a great life expectancy.
We experienced massive lag in that fight too, but we held it together.
Props for taking this war head on though.
EDIT: Oh, and as for crashing out, I doubt any of you did, since if you crash you emergency warp out, yet none of your fleet warped away, nor did local drop at any point, suggesting that you just suffered the same hellish lag as us.
lols? Hyperions with a shield tank... well i see that reading comprehension I has yet to be skilled.
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Battleclash
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: kilina
who reads the EULA. CCP should supply a warning first,
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Stupidity is universal.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:29:00 -
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C A D's commic for today
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Max Nero
Endless Fury
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:29:00 -
[135]
This is awesome, so much sig material here it is not even funny (actually it is).
Little analogy - justifying buying ISK to save the corp is like saying "I was only driving schoolbus twice the speed limit because kids were going to be late for SCHOOL!!!"
This thread is drowning in sweet tears made of pure WIN.
Originally by: Niklo
Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:31:00 -
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Dragos Mrs
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:35:00 -
[137]
Originally by: kilina
Edited by: kilina on 11/01/2008 10:17:26
Edited by: kilina on 11/01/2008 10:16:38
Originally by: Plaetean
Originally by: kilina
so we buy isk
Whether or not you think it's right or wrong, it's against the EULA.
right cause if you run around with a ***** pipe and some rocks, the cops will warn you you shouldn't have them before they arrest you. just because you don't know it's against the rules doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished for it.
who reads the EULA. CCP should supply a warning first,
this game is 100% harrasment good bye eve im canceling my 3 accounts,
and a few people wil be doing the same
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Vandamsel
Gallente
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Battleclash
Originally by: kilina
who reads the EULA. CCP should supply a warning first,
this
REPO AND PROUD OF IT
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Lucy Light
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:36:00 -
[139]
Originally by: kilina
Edited by: kilina on 11/01/2008 10:17:26
Edited by: kilina on 11/01/2008 10:16:38
Originally by: Plaetean
Originally by: kilina
so we buy isk
Whether or not you think it's right or wrong, it's against the EULA.
who reads the EULA. CCP should supply a warning first,
this game is 100% harrasment good bye eve im canceling my 3 accounts,
and a few people wil be doing the same
can i have all your stuff? just in case somebody didn't mention this before me
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:39:00 -
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Alowishus
Pastry Coalition
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:39:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Lithalnas
lols? Hyperions with a shield tank...
Calling that a 'tank' is being kind. That was a Hyperion with a bunch of random modules.
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:03:00 -
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*Locked*
Thread now lacks an OP but the memories will live on.
Mitnal,
Community Representative
EVE Online
CCP Games
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