Originally by: Swirler

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CCP has made a fatal error in allowing the Heavy Interdictor Class ships to use the interdiction sphere generator in Low Security Systems (Low Sec).

CCP never allowed the use of the interdiction sphere launcher and probe in low security space, because they new the problems it would create. So why change the policy now and create the problems?

The broken game mechanic CCP has created has been made drastically worse.
- First, CCP restricts the number of access points to no security space by limiting it to a handful of crossing points from low to no security zones.
- Second CCP creates deployable Mobile Warp Disruption fields, so that these access points can be permanently blockaded, as warp core stabilizers have no effect or defense against the field.
- Third, CCP creates the ship launchable warp disruption probe, so that it is easier and faster to blockade any no security gate at will. CCP recognizes the impossible gaming situation that allowing such a probe in low sec and empire would create, so they restrict it's use to No Security Systems (0.0).
- Now, CCP ignores their own wisdom in restricting interdiction spheres from low sec, and creates a new ship with the power of a Heavy Assault Cruiser, and installed the 'EASY BUTTON' of an Interdiction Sphere generator that works in low sec; effectively blockading any low sec system with this one ship. Why have a launchable sphere that doesnÆt work in low sec, but a ship mountable sphere generator that does? ItÆs a mistake.

So CCP, as the losses mount, and most of low security now becomes impassible, what are you going to do about it?

Every player that losses a ship to the new Heavy Interdictor 'EASY BUTTON' in low sec, must petition CCP for reimbursement. CCP has violated its previous game mechanic rule, causing harm and loss to many players. If your claim is denied, petition it again, for the same reason - The Heavy Interdictor class ship should not be allowed to operate it's sphere in low sec.

Should CCP not restrict the Heavy Interdictor's Sphere Generator from operating in low security, in 30 to 60 days, the losses mounting in low sec will be outrageous, low sec mission runners and trade will be out of business, and the inability of players to operate according to the lines and restrictions CCP has created for moving ships from empire, to low sec, for carrier jump to 0.0, will stay broken as they are today.

Now is a great time for all eve corporations and alliance to give their input on this game-breaking mistake. What do you think?

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Originally by: Deira Lenia

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You fail, HIC fields dont work outside 0.0.

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Originally by: Deira Lenia

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You fail, HIC fields dont work outside 0.0. quote]


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HIC's wont work with an area of effect bubble in low sec they can configure their mod to have the same effect as a bubble but it only works on ONE ship at a time.

please research before you post

Originally by: Swirler

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CCP has made a fatal error in allowing the Heavy Interdictor Class ships to use the interdiction sphere generator in Low Security Systems (Low Sec).

CCP never allowed the use of the interdiction sphere launcher and probe in low security space, because they new the problems it would create. So why change the policy now and create the problems?

The broken game mechanic CCP has created has been made drastically worse.
- First, CCP restricts the number of access points to no security space by limiting it to a handful of crossing points from low to no security zones.
- Second CCP creates deployable Mobile Warp Disruption fields, so that these access points can be permanently blockaded, as warp core stabilizers have no effect or defense against the field.
- Third, CCP creates the ship launchable warp disruption probe, so that it is easier and faster to blockade any no security gate at will. CCP recognizes the impossible gaming situation that allowing such a probe in low sec and empire would create, so they restrict it's use to No Security Systems (0.0).
- Now, CCP ignores their own wisdom in restricting interdiction spheres from low sec, and creates a new ship with the power of a Heavy Assault Cruiser, and installed the 'EASY BUTTON' of an Interdiction Sphere generator that works in low sec; effectively blockading any low sec system with this one ship. Why have a launchable sphere that doesn’t work in low sec, but a ship mountable sphere generator that does? It’s a mistake.

So CCP, as the losses mount, and most of low security now becomes impassible, what are you going to do about it?

Every player that losses a ship to the new Heavy Interdictor 'EASY BUTTON' in low sec, must petition CCP for reimbursement. CCP has violated its previous game mechanic rule, causing harm and loss to many players. If your claim is denied, petition it again, for the same reason - The Heavy Interdictor class ship should not be allowed to operate it's sphere in low sec.

Should CCP not restrict the Heavy Interdictor's Sphere Generator from operating in low security, in 30 to 60 days, the losses mounting in low sec will be outrageous, low sec mission runners and trade will be out of business, and the inability of players to operate according to the lines and restrictions CCP has created for moving ships from empire, to low sec, for carrier jump to 0.0, will stay broken as they are today.

Now is a great time for all eve corporations and alliance to give their input on this game-breaking mistake. What do you think?

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Originally by: Swirler

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So the message and log I got from my warp core stabbed up BS stating I was scrambled by a sphere was bogus? Neat!!

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Originally by: Swirler

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Edited by: Swirler on 11/01/2008 14:33:41
It Does work in low security.

The Ship:
Delta Vite
DEATH'S LEGION
None
Devoter
Vehan (0.4)
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
The Field was active, was on my ship, and I wasn't going anywhere in .4 space.

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Originally by: Gypsio III

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The module was active. The field was not.

With the script loaded, the module acts as an infinitely strong warp scrambler. The HIC still had to lock your BS - but when he had, no amount of WCS would have helped you.

I think there's a grpahical bug that makes it look as if a field is active, but it's just a graphical error.

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Originally by: Gypsio III

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The module was active. The field was not.

With the script loaded, the module acts as an infinitely strong warp scrambler. The HIC still had to lock your BS - but when he had, no amount of WCS would have helped you.

I think there's a grpahical bug that makes it look as if a field is active, but it's just a graphical error.

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Right, the point being, I had 4 warp core stabs, this guy had one field generator active in .4 space that can not be counter acted. No complaints about it for 0.0, but in low sec, this module with a script working in low sec, should not be happening.

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If goons are giving you "respect" on CAOD, you pretty much know what you just did was a pile of ****.

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Originally by: Swirler

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Edited by: Swirler on 11/01/2008 14:40:29
Edited by: Swirler on 11/01/2008 14:33:41
It Does work in low security.

The Ship: Devoter
The Place: Vehan (0.4)
Warp Disruption Field Generator I
The Field was active, was on my ship, and I wasn't going anywhere in .4 space.

Perhaps if CCP got off it's fat ass and added these modules and scripts to the Item database for players to be 100% sure how and where they work, we would all be alot better off.

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Originally by: Patso Tappaja

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Just use crane or other fast indu ships with ALL LOWS FULL OF ISTABS and you would live. Using stabs is pointless except If you are smartbombing or using FoFs.

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Originally by: Jhered Stern

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I would have just locked on to the guy and shot him....

Jhered Out!

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Originally by: Illiya

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Personally, I think it's pretty funny that lowsec is more dangerous than 0.0 in many places.

I also happen to think that the "wall" that is lowsec is the major barrier that keeps more people out of 0.0 than anything else. Some may disagree, but I think that's a bad thing (MOAR TARGETS). This may be a bit of a tangent, but I think there needs to be more incentive, or options, for people to get out to 0.0 over hanging around in empire mining for pennies.

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Originally by: Shinori

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Edited by: Shinori on 11/01/2008 15:17:10

No kind of bubbles should be deployable in low-sec.

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Originally by: Danyael Tyren

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Ha, welcome to Primary Land, HIC pilots! Enjoy your stay!

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Originally by: Swirler

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So the message and log I got from my warp core stabbed up BS stating I was scrambled by a sphere was bogus? Neat!!

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Originally by: Re Mi

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The main change for me has been to start treating low sec like 0.0. Frankly 0.0 is safer because you can control the space and if you are blue to them, your survival rate goes up dramatically. With the HIC there isn't a practical difference in terms of how you haul things from 0.0. Any newb in a HIC with a gank setup can take you down even if you take precautions. Like 0.0, a tiny newb low sec gate camp of only 2-3 ships, is nearly 100% lethal to industrials. Warp stabs are useless now so you have to switch to blockade runners fitted for fast align, and the amount of cargo you can haul drops dramatically. You can no longer run a regular haul with moderate precautions, you have to scout everything, every time. Its not worth it to haul certain things any longer.

The biggest losers are low sec trit and veld, which are no longer practical to move in an Iteron V. Don't even bother with it unless you make cap ships, you will lose more in ships than you will make from trit. If you move a freighter with a combat and a covert ops escort it just became dramatically more dangerous. They can warp in and tackle the freighter and tank the defenders long enough for a larger fleet to arrive. This is a tremendous difficulty for low sec moon miners and cap ship builders.

Honestly, I don't think CCP will change this because they typically don't listen to "carebears" because we don't complain very loud compared to PvPers and the pirates will ***** and moan about losing their "I win" button. I do know that pirates love the HIC. It has relatively easy skills to get into and it is a bonanza of free targets. It won't take long and people are going to stop hauling there. After you get ganked for the 3rd time you will move on. Low sec is not that valuable anyway. This just makes it even more worthless.

My preference would be that if they can give a ship infinite warp scram, they should provide a suicide module with an area effect so that at least I can take them with me when I go down or at the very least blow up my own cargo. Being able to booby trap my wreck would be beautiful.

Th key here is risk. You need to have different levels of risk, and that is what is screwed up. Empire should be very low risk, low sec should be medium risk, and 0.0 should be high risk. Ironically, 0.0 is now safer than low sec for industrialists, miners and traders.

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Originally by: Re Mi

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Honestly, I don't think CCP will change this because they typically don't listen to "carebears" because we don't complain very loud compared to PvPers and the pirates will ***** and moan about losing their "I win" button.

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Originally by: Wusti

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Originally by: duckmonster

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I got me a little 6 point covops that can cause haulers nightmares. Your spot on here. This isn't really anything new.

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Originally by: Ventro69

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I lost a Cerb to the Rancer crowd. Friendly bunch, offered me an option to pay a bounty, ME, of all people. Imagine that. Anyways, strange thing, after I died, I saw the heavy dictor sphere. I took a screenie and still have to petition it. Guess I'll keep it for when I run out of isk. Bottom line, if heavy dictors are allowed spheres in low sec, so should regular dictors and then we all might as well stop playing. I see more and more pirates in command ships rather than bc's etc. A profession that is already that advanced certainly don't need more help.

/me adds 2c worth.

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