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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2004.03.22 11:02:00 -
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It's ok, now we can sneak in Xetic kills to inflate our CA kill list and hope you lads don't notice, cos we need to..
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2004.03.22 11:05:00 -
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In a supurise turn of events, Mo0volution, in need of some easy ganking attacks a large player base with little battle experience. Our hats go of to the gankers and their lust for soft targets.
News at 9
Kinda reminds me of the CA vs CFS war. My hat goes off to Reclaimer.
Hyprocracy at 9
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Mneme Mentari
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Posted - 2004.03.22 11:12:00 -
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Well, kudos to The Collective for a very fun fight without smack or other bull****. I have to say that my heart started to beat a little faster when I saw you approach a gate to 3L3 with (I think it was) 6 scorpions and some. You are good, though I think the confusion would have been a bit less if both sides hadn't initiated thosse gangwarps back to the gate at the same time.
And yes, the lag was reaaaaally bad...
Later on the smaller fight with mOoVolution was kind of fun to. Nice to see them fight a much larger force and still beeing able to pull away with very few losses.
All in all my scout got podded 3 times in about 4 hours..
And btw, the: "we are going to make you suffer", "you are doomed" are actually pretty meaningless. I mean this is the things that makes this game fun to play. I mean loosing a ship and getting podded is far more fun (if it's in a good fight) than chopping up a ark roid.
Cheers.
ps
I'm impressed that this thread is almost without flaming, it almost feels kind of odd.. (But keep it that way please?)
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CORE TRADER
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Posted - 2004.03.22 11:31:00 -
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Regarding ship kill figures, don't believe the hype.
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.03.22 11:37:00 -
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Well i wasn't aware of that.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2004.03.22 12:00:00 -
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I've been in most of the fights with moo/evol/sa so far and I've got to say, its been great fun.
No smack from the SA guys and a great fight, too bad my rifters keep getting killed, ah well :) plenty more of those in the hangers 
Cartiff, CEO
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fuze
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Posted - 2004.03.22 12:01:00 -
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So Xetic has a NAP with CA that's letting c0w in their territory (to fight m0o) and at the same time c0w is attacking Xetic constantly?
Wouldn't it be logical that CA demanded c0w to stop attacking Xetic? It might endanger the NAP with Xetic. And AFIK they are the only neighbouring alliance that isn't at war with CA.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.22 12:35:00 -
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In a supurise turn of events, Mo0volution, in need of some easy ganking attacks a large player base with little battle experience. Our hats go of to the gankers and their lust for soft targets.
News at 9
LMAO thats a rich line coming from a member of the CA.
Tal
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Kosh One
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Posted - 2004.03.22 12:38:00 -
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It is unfortunate that our group was push into war. We will hold good standing with both CA and C4 since they have been far more trustworthy in their relationship with us. This war is hardly about the origin of piracy now in the CA.
Ok, that's fine. It's wrong, but eh...
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As yesterday in the assault on our western border, we fought the Collective, Evolution, Moo, MASS all with the goal of destroying our fine alliance in a space of the few hours. It is unfortunate to see SA reduced to cooperating with pirates elements and they will be forever be remembered for doing so.
You do know the meaning of hypocrisy, right? SA will be remembered forever for cooperating with pirates, huh? Yet, this war is not about the origin of piracy in the CA? I guess your memory only goes back a few months then.
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.03.22 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sundri Elaption on 22/03/2004 13:14:17
Kosh One seeying u are from Tyrell, speak with Solar wind and Mass, we have screenshots of 2 pilots of SA with m0o and Evolution in 2o-EEW first of that is a brake of the NAP occording as it was of that point of time Friday. Check with Trigger what the content was of the NAP with SA pilots they weren't allowed 2 enter XIF space without apperoval of XIF, they were seen with m0o and Evolution. I was there in the same system (we have screenshots). We recieved also a message from a Evolution member that SA was helping them, all doh i have 2 check in with that message who send it from Evolution.
So far i'm concerned check with your own alliance members.
Before u go and point fingers and draw conclusions.
If u have further question i suggest u contact one of our contact point in XIF what pricesly happened if u want our official point of view.
Out of principal we dropped the NAP with SA.
As for the fighting i had fun :P Though my hand was a bit shaky sometimes still.
Btw i'm just a member of the XIF.
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Kosh One
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Posted - 2004.03.22 13:19:00 -
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You missed my point, dear. I don't know anything about this so called altercation you're speaking of, nor does that matter in regards to my original post.
The point I'm making is Xetic can forget about CA and all their connections with m0o, but yet SA will be remembered forever because someone saw a few SA members in the same system with some m0o members.
It must be great to have a selective memory.
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Darodem
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:10:00 -
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I don't think anyone has seen cow ships fighting alongside CA ships in XIF.
In fact CA ships in XIF are exceptional. CA seems to be able to honor the intent of the NAP we share with them and at the very least is able to maintain the illusion of distance from Cow.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.03.22 14:43:00 -
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ahh well, all i can confirm is that we got 1 mega and lost lots of BA at a gate ^^
well, thy didnt heard me saying not to warp there  
Yeah, it was really fun and all nice until deathwing appeared, hes one of the biggest idiots seen in eve so far. here an example of his way to speak in local "CANT BELIVE JOO **** CAMT TO THE GATE", must be very windy in his ship.
Kudos to Collective for getting us trapped, and kudos for nafri's ship for warping so fast ^^
Wanna fly with me?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:19:00 -
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XETIC have always been CA puppets.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:19:00 -
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I think I meant muppets.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Nafri
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:23:00 -
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well i fear thy were allways fluffy miners
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:33:00 -
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I can safely say Xetic never were CA muppets or anything like that.
This whole 'SA can't hold a nap thing' already was the thing that made CTEC leave Xetic months ago.
We guessed this would be coming sooner or later, but just didn't want to wait for it and went to help CA against SA instead.
Calling XIF muppets of CA for the pure reason that CA has been able to hold true to a NAP and SA hasn't gets me worrying wether you might be biased in any way. But of course that would be nonsense....
But of course i am biased, since i am in CA nowadays.
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thuggie
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:48:00 -
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think Xetic broke the nap them selves a couple of months ago when they were camping a gate in u-q.
the Xetic-nap had been hanging in a thin line for quite some time.
Only a handfull of people know why they even have a nap with SA.
And.. they faked a nap with CC(curse coalition).
Right after Tyrell left Curse Coalition(and joined SA) we noticed Xetic Alliance running around with a nap to CC... now, Joviah, the former leader of CC did'nt even know what alliance this was, and why they had a nap with CC.
Sounds more like they just made NAPs with everyone that could possible pose a threat... knowing that some day they'd have to start defending their territory. Atleast they bought themselves enaugh time to get rich of all the ark in their region
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:49:00 -
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We as C4 have the strict rule to not engage Xetic if all agreements of the NAP are followed by either side, this means that we follow our code of honour as much as we possible can.
We are warriors, we live to fight and with this attitude we follow our instinct which can result in incidental kills or violations. Also with recent changes it is very likely possible that you have seen our forces move through Xetic space by _accident_. The locations we fight are a and b.:
If you use a in your autopilot and plot it to b then this results in Xetic space 'tresspassing', not by free will but in a moment of accidental mistake. Xetic has killed some of our ships because of this, what upset us somewhat but we always maintained our code of honor: We did not violate the nap by attacking Xetic.
Stain however shows once again that honor is not something that comes as a natural attitude:
- Some requested cease fire to retract from stain and violated this withing 48 hours with agression.
- Some ask for 1vs1's who are violated.
And those are just the top of the mountain, with these last agressions stain shown itselfs true colours. 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.03.22 15:51:00 -
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I won't deny the ark thing, and about wether or not the CC nap was true or not im not informed.
I dont think it would have mattered much anyway, since CC never was much to talk about anyway.
As far as Xetic breaking the nap is concerned, if there is one starting point to all the nap breaking, it is the attacks by pilots of Coll and Ever way before Xetic even camped U-Q to keep it's hauling routes open.
Anyway, Evol was the target in those actions. Xetic has never in my period as a member condoned firing on SA ships.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.22 16:12:00 -
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written by Deathwing Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space
so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long
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written by Reverend Necrona No you haven't...
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written by Omniwar So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ?
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written by Reverend Necrona nope.
CA member admits that c0w is in CA
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written by Omniwar Then get up to date with current affairs, they have been attacking Xetic for a long time now.
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written by Reverend Necrona Well i wasn't aware of that.
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written by Mursilis To make things clear, c0w has the same arrangement with CA that m0o had before they decided to attack unprovoked. We are not officially a member of CA, which means that we do not have a NAP with Xetic. Therefore, CA has not been attacking Xetic, we have been attacking them. Some might say that this is just semantics, but the fact remains that CA has not been attacking Xetic in Xetic space. Sorry Omniwar, but it looks as if you are the one who should get up to date with current affairs. BTW, hope you are feeling better.
c0w director admits being in CA but not official member and also admits since they are not officially in CA they do not have a NAP with Xetic.
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written by Primer Xenius * Moo supposedly came down to fight cow in a strange twist of fate with the wrong belief that we were aiding them. We have been firing on cow ever since they started piracy in our region (check standings). Since then they have asked for a ransom.
Xetic member says they have been fighting c0w since they started piracy against Xetic.
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written by Primer Xenius It is unfortunate that our group was push into war. We will hold good standing with both CA and C4 since they have been far more trustworthy in their relationship with us.
Xetic member claiming that CA is more trustworthy even if a CA member (not officially though) has been doing piracy against them for some ime before we come.
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written by Mursilis Nicely said. Omniwar, it seems that a Xetic representative has just confirmed that CA has not been attacking Xetic.
He wasnt aware c0w was in CA, look at the quote from Reverend Necrona where he admits c0w is a member of CA.
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written by Darodem I don't think anyone has seen cow ships fighting alongside CA ships in XIF.
In fact CA ships in XIF are exceptional. CA seems to be able to honor the intent of the NAP we share with them and at the very least is able to maintain the illusion of distance from Cow.
c0w is non official member of CA so they can attack Xetic freely, it has been admitted by both official CA member that c0w is in CA, then Mursilis says that c0w is not really a member of CA since they are only non officially part of CA so they dont have NAP with Xetic and they can attack freely.
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written by Rod Blaine Calling XIF muppets of CA for the pure reason that CA has been able to hold true to a NAP and SA hasn't gets me worrying wether you might be biased in any way. But of course that would be nonsense....
But of course i am biased, since i am in CA nowadays.
It has been admitted that c0w is part of CA and also been admitted they pirate against Xetic, that is not holding a NAP, not by a long shot.
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written by DREAMWORKS We as C4 have the strict rule to not engage Xetic if all agreements of the NAP are followed by either side, this means that we follow our code of honour as much as we possible can.
Not sure if you are part of CA and C4, but read above, CA has admitted they have been breaking the NAP, code of honor my butt.
For those who dont get it, I pity you all.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.03.22 16:24:00 -
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thuggie said:
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think Xetic broke the nap them selves a couple of months ago when they were camping a gate in u-q.
- that blockade was against evolution NOT SA. We let SA pass but they seemed to find it difficult how anyone but themselves could dare camp that system. We had evolution shooting us while you worked along side with them. Go figure.
- u-q is in catch and not stain and it totally unrelated to the nap.
Finally the CC NAP was legit at one stage when CC existed. I got a copy of it and there are numerous post about it buried in these forums in history that one could find if a search function existed.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.03.22 16:30:00 -
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You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni.
Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.22 16:43:00 -
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You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni.
Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution.
Xetic was not aware that c0w was part of CA, official according to Reverend Necrona and non official according to Mursilis.
But in this thread they should have figured it out, even without me quoting it.
It¦s facts and not possible to deny it now, Xetic may hold the NAP with CA for the fear they have for them but CA still has been breaking the NAP for weeks if not months.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.03.22 16:48:00 -
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You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni.
Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution.
Xetic was not aware that c0w was part of CA, official according to Reverend Necrona and non official according to Mursilis.
But in this thread they should have figured it out, even without me quoting it.
It¦s facts and not possible to deny it now, Xetic may hold the NAP with CA for the fear they have for them but CA still has been breaking the NAP for weeks if not months.
well perhaps xetic just dont like you, evo and SA
there must be some reason
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.03.22 16:54:00 -
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Omniwar we are aware of the fact that COW are friends of Curse Alliance and we are allowed 2 shoot down COW, we were doing that.
But we had the same thing with Evolution and SA @ some point.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.22 16:55:00 -
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You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni.
Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution.
Xetic was not aware that c0w was part of CA, official according to Reverend Necrona and non official according to Mursilis.
But in this thread they should have figured it out, even without me quoting it.
It¦s facts and not possible to deny it now, Xetic may hold the NAP with CA for the fear they have for them but CA still has been breaking the NAP for weeks if not months.
well perhaps xetic just dont like you, evo and SA
there must be some reason
Might be it, still strange to have a NAP with someone who activly tries to kill you and your members.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:04:00 -
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Omniwar,
As far as I know, COW is NOT in CA. CA told me so and COW told me so and I asked early on when the piracy began and just recently again.
Do they have friends in CA? Probably but then I got friends in Moo 
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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fuze
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:05:00 -
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Omniwar has a good point there.
Some corps of CA/C4 might have honored the NAP with XETIC but c0w hasn't. And pherhaps a few other corps?
SA members reported several attacks from CA/C4 when the travelled through XETIC space. So once or twice trespassing by the odd traveller is out the question.
As said XETIC camped in Empire and engaged SA members.
They also repeatedly trespassed SA.
Ever has a -10 standing with Flying dutchman corp that was mining in Stain territory for months.
This has quite a few similarities with the CFS NAP breach.
Use a 3rd party to break up a NAP in order to gain tactical advantages from the situation.
Quite easy to set up, but much harder to prove. But the fact that an almoast gloating OC mentions this instead an official communique of XETIC or SA at least indicates the advantage is on their side.
As Josh pointed out. XETIC are just being puppeteered/muppeteerded or CA has totally no clue what their seperate corps are doing. I'd like to believe the latter but fear the first is true.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:08:00 -
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Omniwar,
As far as I know, COW is NOT in CA. CA told me so and COW told me so and I asked early on when the piracy began and just recently again.
Do they have friends in CA? Probably but then I got friends in Moo
Read the posts from Reverend Necrona, Mursilis and the post where I quoted them.
Thats facts and cant be denied, its admitted that c0w is part of CA.
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