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Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.03.21 22:32:00 - [1] Can you confirm you and stain had a big engagement this evening? Also can you confirm that you lost 11 battleships in said engagements... Reverend Necrona
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.21 22:39:00 - [2] I speak for neither xetic nor SA but I heard Xetic lost 6 battleships and SA 1 in 3L3 about 2 hours ago. We have killed 33 Xetic battleships in 4 days and the best day counted 18, we have lost 2 as faar as I know, me and Dp Lip. *Spawn of the Devil*
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.03.21 22:42:00 - [3] Heh... and to think after curse they control the largest ammount of 0.0 space. ¼_¼ Reverend Necrona
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.03.21 23:34:00 - [4] Numbers on both sides were a bit higher :) Quote: I speak for neither xetic nor SA but I heard Xetic lost 6 battleships and SA 1 in 3L3 about 2 hours ago. We have killed 33 Xetic battleships in 4 days and the best day counted 18, we have lost 2 as faar as I know, me and Dp Lip. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.03.21 23:43:00 - [5] Wintermj-[TSYND] = Raven Abisha-[OMIS] = Moa Addy-[DAi] = Tempest Joe Dansen-[1GUNS] = Raven Eugene Spencer-[Dai] = Scorpion Xoanon-[FDF] = Scorpion Olyyy = Tempest Lil Tony-[XLD] = Raven Shakz-[CLS] = Scorpion Primer Xenius = Scorpion That was the list i got <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
fuze	Posted - 2004.03.21 23:46:00 - [6] AFIK XETIC has NAP with CA and C4 still. And they are regularly seen in XETIC territory. Just would like to point out the advantage C4 has by mentioning this skirmishes publicly. Then again XETIC would be an excellent platform to lauch attacks at CA by m0oevolution. It wouldn't amaze me if CA/C4 would help out XETIC in order to keep up that defense parameter. It's a mere speculation though. ___________________________ Favorite bumpersticker of the month: My head hurts!
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.03.21 23:53:00 - [7] Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:04:00 - [8] Quote: AFIK XETIC has NAP with CA and C4 still. And they are regularly seen in XETIC territory. Just would like to point out the advantage C4 has by mentioning this skirmishes publicly. Then again XETIC would be an excellent platform to lauch attacks at CA by m0oevolution. It wouldn't amaze me if CA/C4 would help out XETIC in order to keep up that defense parameter. It's a mere speculation though. We'd much rather sit in stain and kill you. I doubt you'll have the ships left to fight XETIC soon :p. Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:06:00 - [9] Quote: Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long No you haven't... Reverend Necrona
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:14:00 - [10] yes i have <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:15:00 - [11] Quote: Quote: Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long No you haven't... So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ? *Spawn of the Devil*
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:22:00 - [12] Quote: Quote: Quote: Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long No you haven't... So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ? nope. Reverend Necrona
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 00:27:00 - [13] Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long No you haven't... So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ? nope. Then get up to date with current affairs, they have been attacking Xetic for a long time now. *Spawn of the Devil*
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.03.22 01:04:00 - [14] Well i wasn't aware of that. Reverend Necrona
infinity	Posted - 2004.03.22 01:34:00 - [15] Edited by: infinity on 22/03/2004 01:44:46 kodos to Xetic for putting out an fight. It sure was a blast and u guys really fight with hounor! The force who attacked u where 18 collective pilots with backup from friends who i will remain silence untill they will tell u who they are. This was a action because of an hostile active coming from Xetic pilots agenst the Collective and our friends. I can conform 2 lost at my end 1 scorpion, unlucky for him to unclock first :( and 1 frig who did fight brave before it was blown up. We can conform 11 Xetic pilots was killed after cc lying around after the battle but all of them did die with hounor. We wont public any kill list but really hope ccp will give us kill mail into this game really soon. Respect to u guys in Xetic always fun to fight clean fights with out any smack. u guys did do your best and i know u will do better next time because we will be comeing back so be ready.
Lord Zith	Posted - 2004.03.22 01:42:00 - [16] Yea good fight ! We will cya soon tho . Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Balmer [OC], wrecking for 1134.4 damage. :-)
infinity	Posted - 2004.03.22 01:44:00 - [17] Edited by: infinity on 22/03/2004 01:45:34
Stavros	Posted - 2004.03.22 02:01:00 - [18] Xetic are an interesting alliance, no military prowess or record to speak of, quite small in numbers, yet they are allowed to exist whereas most other alliances are under constant attack... Odd that :D PS props to nego for sig, although he maked it years ago and i forgot about it :D -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Mursilis	Posted - 2004.03.22 04:32:00 - [19] Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long No you haven't... So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ? nope. Then get up to date with current affairs, they have been attacking Xetic for a long time now. To make things clear, c0w has the same arrangement with CA that m0o had before they decided to attack unprovoked. We are not officially a member of CA, which means that we do not have a NAP with Xetic. Therefore, CA has not been attacking Xetic, we have been attacking them. Some might say that this is just semantics, but the fact remains that CA has not been attacking Xetic in Xetic space. Sorry Omniwar, but it looks as if you are the one who should get up to date with current affairs. BTW, hope you are feeling better.
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.03.22 05:03:00 - [20] Howdy, a few points. * Prior to the war, we have been as neutral as we can possibly be. Any claim that we were aiding one side or the other has never been proven. We do have evidence SA was pass through our areas to attack CA and we has seen C4 sometimes pass through our area to get to lower stain. We have always tried to stop these for the sake of neutrality. * SA forces (Mass and some others) came down to Immensea and attacked our forces a few days back forcing us to drop the NAP. We have a screenshot of this and there is little we can do but fight when SA forces decide to aid evolution in an attack on our forces. * Evolution has had XETIC on KOS ever since they decided to ignore neutrality in 0.0. We consider them pirates as do most of eve alongside moo. * Moo supposedly came down to fight cow in a strange twist of fate with the wrong belief that we were aiding them. We have been firing on cow ever since they started piracy in our region (check standings). Since then they have asked for a ransom. It is unfortunate that our group was push into war. We will hold good standing with both CA and C4 since they have been far more trustworthy in their relationship with us. This war is hardly about the origin of piracy now in the CA, as yesterday in the assault on our western border, we fought the Collective, Evolution, Moo, MASS all with the goal of destroying our fine alliance in a space of the few hours. It is unfortunate to see SA reduced to cooperating with pirates elements and they will be forever be remembered for doing so. In regards to the war. We have probably lost in the order of 30 battleships. 20 on the first day, less in the second and third which saw far more action and far more effectiveness from our side. My estimate is that we have killed in the order of 8-15 enemy battleships. I am not going to try to confirm this because we all know how difficult it is to prove kills in this game at this time. This figure is from what I saw. We have lived here without stations in hardship for a long time. We have the industry to fuel a major war for a very long time. We are traders first and foremost and don't claim to be PVP experts as some of the more dedicated corps like moo and evolution are. We expected heavy losses at the onset and we expect much more losses to come while we rub of the green status. We have greatly enjoy the past few days and look forward to our new goals. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Mursilis	Posted - 2004.03.22 08:01:00 - [21] Quote: Howdy, a few points. * Prior to the war, we have been as neutral as we can possibly be. Any claim that we were aiding one side or the other has never been proven. We do have evidence SA was pass through our areas to attack CA and we has seen C4 sometimes pass through our area to get to lower stain. We have always tried to stop these for the sake of neutrality. * SA forces (Mass and some others) came down to Immensea and attacked our forces a few days back forcing us to drop the NAP. We have a screenshot of this and there is little we can do but fight when SA forces decide to aid evolution in an attack on our forces. * Evolution has had XETIC on KOS ever since they decided to ignore neutrality in 0.0. We consider them pirates as do most of eve alongside moo. * Moo supposedly came down to fight cow in a strange twist of fate with the wrong belief that we were aiding them. We have been firing on cow ever since they started piracy in our region (check standings). Since then they have asked for a ransom. It is unfortunate that our group was push into war. We will hold good standing with both CA and C4 since they have been far more trustworthy in their relationship with us. This war is hardly about the origin of piracy now in the CA, as yesterday in the assault on our western border, we fought the Collective, Evolution, Moo, MASS all with the goal of destroying our fine alliance in a space of the few hours. It is unfortunate to see SA reduced to cooperating with pirates elements and they will be forever be remembered for doing so. In regards to the war. We have probably lost in the order of 30 battleships. 20 on the first day, less in the second and third which saw far more action and far more effectiveness from our side. My estimate is that we have killed in the order of 8-15 enemy battleships. I am not going to try to confirm this because we all know how difficult it is to prove kills in this game at this time. This figure is from what I saw. We have lived here without stations in hardship for a long time. We have the industry to fuel a major war for a very long time. We are traders first and foremost and don't claim to be PVP experts as some of the more dedicated corps like moo and evolution are. We expected heavy losses at the onset and we expect much more losses to come while we rub of the green status. We have greatly enjoy the past few days and look forward to our new goals. Nicely said. Omniwar, it seems that a Xetic representative has just confirmed that CA has not been attacking Xetic.
DaShmoo	Posted - 2004.03.22 08:11:00 - [22] Yep, What primer said. We shot down many more than people said above, and lost alittle more than what some said above too. My name isn''t there and I was the first ship to go down in that huge engagement on our side. Was a good fight =) Nicely fought by both sides. Again with what primer said, until CCP adds a mail future on who you killed, kill counts are almost impossible to keep track of. Expect to see XETIC''s losses drop significantly in any future engagements. Most of the kills the first day were due to our attackers suprise hit. I''ve been craving some fighting for awhile, looks like I got it, w00t w00t. Honor to all!
Grumpf	Posted - 2004.03.22 08:18:00 - [23] What Primer said. We took some damage, we dealt a little less. But our ships are 100% insured and we got a good learning curve. So it will change in the future.
HitGirl	Posted - 2004.03.22 08:50:00 - [24] Nice spoken, i just might head back up to immensea as i see there are more people fighting Xetic I just wanna have some fun Chief Executive Officer Inferno Corp: Where we are ultimate Destruction will follow
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2004.03.22 10:05:00 - [25] Well it was about time you Xetic lot got involved in the action! :). It certainly made my trip through immensea interesting yesterday. Gl peeps. Reverend Necrona
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2004.03.22 10:12:00 - [26] Good luck to XETIC/IF - I am sure you will have rubbed off the green pretty fast and be able to defend your home. ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
Sundri Elaption	Posted - 2004.03.22 10:12:00 - [27] What primer said :D Btw just a noticication we had @ the same time m0oEvolution fighting one force that was about had up 2 reinforce the guys that where fighting SA guys we had been engaging some what up north for a few hours there before. So we had 2 fronts going. just a personal node: Thanks for the wake up call!!
Moah	Posted - 2004.03.22 10:32:00 - [28] Nice fight XETIC, but was ******* laggy... Fancy.
Moah	Posted - 2004.03.22 10:38:00 - [29] Quote: I speak for neither xetic nor SA but I heard Xetic lost 6 battleships and SA 1 in 3L3 about 2 hours ago. SA lost indeed just 1 Scorp (besides 1 or 2 Cruisers and Frigs). We have 9 confirmed BS kills (see Deathwings list) but I think there were in all probabilit a few more... Fancy.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.03.22 10:50:00 - [30] In a supurise turn of events, Mo0volution, in need of some easy ganking attacks a large player base with little battle experience. Our hats go of to the gankers and their lust for soft targets. News at 9
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2004.03.22 11:02:00 - [31] It's ok, now we can sneak in Xetic kills to inflate our CA kill list and hope you lads don't notice, cos we need to.. ....
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2004.03.22 11:05:00 - [32] Quote: In a supurise turn of events, Mo0volution, in need of some easy ganking attacks a large player base with little battle experience. Our hats go of to the gankers and their lust for soft targets. News at 9 Kinda reminds me of the CA vs CFS war. My hat goes off to Reclaimer. Hyprocracy at 9 __________________________________________ Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite??
Mneme Mentari	Posted - 2004.03.22 11:12:00 - [33] Well, kudos to The Collective for a very fun fight without smack or other bull****. I have to say that my heart started to beat a little faster when I saw you approach a gate to 3L3 with (I think it was) 6 scorpions and some. You are good, though I think the confusion would have been a bit less if both sides hadn't initiated thosse gangwarps back to the gate at the same time. And yes, the lag was reaaaaally bad... Later on the smaller fight with mOoVolution was kind of fun to. Nice to see them fight a much larger force and still beeing able to pull away with very few losses. All in all my scout got podded 3 times in about 4 hours.. And btw, the: "we are going to make you suffer", "you are doomed" are actually pretty meaningless. I mean this is the things that makes this game fun to play. I mean loosing a ship and getting podded is far more fun (if it's in a good fight) than chopping up a ark roid. Cheers. ps I'm impressed that this thread is almost without flaming, it almost feels kind of odd.. (But keep it that way please?) ds
CORE TRADER	Posted - 2004.03.22 11:31:00 - [34] Regarding ship kill figures, don't believe the hype.
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2004.03.22 11:37:00 - [35] Quote: Well i wasn't aware of that. you sound like Tomb :p
Cartiff	Posted - 2004.03.22 12:00:00 - [36] I've been in most of the fights with moo/evol/sa so far and I've got to say, its been great fun. No smack from the SA guys and a great fight, too bad my rifters keep getting killed, ah well :) plenty more of those in the hangers Cartiff, CEO Euphoria Released NBSI 4TW
fuze	Posted - 2004.03.22 12:01:00 - [37] So Xetic has a NAP with CA that's letting c0w in their territory (to fight m0o) and at the same time c0w is attacking Xetic constantly? Wouldn't it be logical that CA demanded c0w to stop attacking Xetic? It might endanger the NAP with Xetic. And AFIK they are the only neighbouring alliance that isn't at war with CA. ___________________________ Favorite bumpersticker of the month: My head hurts!
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.03.22 12:35:00 - [38] Quote: In a supurise turn of events, Mo0volution, in need of some easy ganking attacks a large player base with little battle experience. Our hats go of to the gankers and their lust for soft targets. News at 9 LMAO thats a rich line coming from a member of the CA. Tal What goes around comes around...
Kosh One	Posted - 2004.03.22 12:38:00 - [39] Quote: It is unfortunate that our group was push into war. We will hold good standing with both CA and C4 since they have been far more trustworthy in their relationship with us. This war is hardly about the origin of piracy now in the CA. Ok, that's fine. It's wrong, but eh... Quote: As yesterday in the assault on our western border, we fought the Collective, Evolution, Moo, MASS all with the goal of destroying our fine alliance in a space of the few hours. It is unfortunate to see SA reduced to cooperating with pirates elements and they will be forever be remembered for doing so. You do know the meaning of hypocrisy, right? SA will be remembered forever for cooperating with pirates, huh? Yet, this war is not about the origin of piracy in the CA? I guess your memory only goes back a few months then.
Sundri Elaption	Posted - 2004.03.22 13:10:00 - [40] Edited by: Sundri Elaption on 22/03/2004 13:14:17 Kosh One seeying u are from Tyrell, speak with Solar wind and Mass, we have screenshots of 2 pilots of SA with m0o and Evolution in 2o-EEW first of that is a brake of the NAP occording as it was of that point of time Friday. Check with Trigger what the content was of the NAP with SA pilots they weren't allowed 2 enter XIF space without apperoval of XIF, they were seen with m0o and Evolution. I was there in the same system (we have screenshots). We recieved also a message from a Evolution member that SA was helping them, all doh i have 2 check in with that message who send it from Evolution. So far i'm concerned check with your own alliance members. Before u go and point fingers and draw conclusions. If u have further question i suggest u contact one of our contact point in XIF what pricesly happened if u want our official point of view. Out of principal we dropped the NAP with SA. As for the fighting i had fun :P Though my hand was a bit shaky sometimes still. Btw i'm just a member of the XIF.
Kosh One	Posted - 2004.03.22 13:19:00 - [41] You missed my point, dear. I don't know anything about this so called altercation you're speaking of, nor does that matter in regards to my original post. The point I'm making is Xetic can forget about CA and all their connections with m0o, but yet SA will be remembered forever because someone saw a few SA members in the same system with some m0o members. It must be great to have a selective memory.
Darodem	Posted - 2004.03.22 14:10:00 - [42] I don't think anyone has seen cow ships fighting alongside CA ships in XIF. In fact CA ships in XIF are exceptional. CA seems to be able to honor the intent of the NAP we share with them and at the very least is able to maintain the illusion of distance from Cow.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.03.22 14:43:00 - [43] ahh well, all i can confirm is that we got 1 mega and lost lots of BA at a gate ^^ well, thy didnt heard me saying not to warp there Yeah, it was really fun and all nice until deathwing appeared, hes one of the biggest idiots seen in eve so far. here an example of his way to speak in local "CANT BELIVE JOO ** CAMT TO THE GATE", must be very windy in his ship. Kudos to Collective for getting us trapped, and kudos for nafri's ship for warping so fast ^^ Wanna fly with me?**
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:19:00 - [44] XETIC have always been CA puppets. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:19:00 - [45] I think I meant muppets. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Nafri	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:23:00 - [46] well i fear thy were allways fluffy miners Wanna fly with me?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:33:00 - [47] I can safely say Xetic never were CA muppets or anything like that. This whole 'SA can't hold a nap thing' already was the thing that made CTEC leave Xetic months ago. We guessed this would be coming sooner or later, but just didn't want to wait for it and went to help CA against SA instead. Calling XIF muppets of CA for the pure reason that CA has been able to hold true to a NAP and SA hasn't gets me worrying wether you might be biased in any way. But of course that would be nonsense.... But of course i am biased, since i am in CA nowadays. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
thuggie	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:48:00 - [48] think Xetic broke the nap them selves a couple of months ago when they were camping a gate in u-q. the Xetic-nap had been hanging in a thin line for quite some time. Only a handfull of people know why they even have a nap with SA. And.. they faked a nap with CC(curse coalition). Right after Tyrell left Curse Coalition(and joined SA) we noticed Xetic Alliance running around with a nap to CC... now, Joviah, the former leader of CC did'nt even know what alliance this was, and why they had a nap with CC. Sounds more like they just made NAPs with everyone that could possible pose a threat... knowing that some day they'd have to start defending their territory. Atleast they bought themselves enaugh time to get rich of all the ark in their region
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:49:00 - [49] We as C4 have the strict rule to not engage Xetic if all agreements of the NAP are followed by either side, this means that we follow our code of honour as much as we possible can. We are warriors, we live to fight and with this attitude we follow our instinct which can result in incidental kills or violations. Also with recent changes it is very likely possible that you have seen our forces move through Xetic space by _accident_. The locations we fight are a and b.: If you use a in your autopilot and plot it to b then this results in Xetic space 'tresspassing', not by free will but in a moment of accidental mistake. Xetic has killed some of our ships because of this, what upset us somewhat but we always maintained our code of honor: We did not violate the nap by attacking Xetic. Stain however shows once again that honor is not something that comes as a natural attitude: - Some requested cease fire to retract from stain and violated this withing 48 hours with agression. - Some ask for 1vs1's who are violated. And those are just the top of the mountain, with these last agressions stain shown itselfs true colours. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.03.22 15:51:00 - [50] I won't deny the ark thing, and about wether or not the CC nap was true or not im not informed. I dont think it would have mattered much anyway, since CC never was much to talk about anyway. As far as Xetic breaking the nap is concerned, if there is one starting point to all the nap breaking, it is the attacks by pilots of Coll and Ever way before Xetic even camped U-Q to keep it's hauling routes open. Anyway, Evol was the target in those actions. Xetic has never in my period as a member condoned firing on SA ships. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:12:00 - [51] Quote: written by Deathwing Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long Quote: written by Reverend Necrona No you haven't... Quote: written by Omniwar So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ? Quote: written by Reverend Necrona nope. CA member admits that c0w is in CA Quote: written by Omniwar Then get up to date with current affairs, they have been attacking Xetic for a long time now. Quote: written by Reverend Necrona Well i wasn't aware of that. Quote: written by Mursilis To make things clear, c0w has the same arrangement with CA that m0o had before they decided to attack unprovoked. We are not officially a member of CA, which means that we do not have a NAP with Xetic. Therefore, CA has not been attacking Xetic, we have been attacking them. Some might say that this is just semantics, but the fact remains that CA has not been attacking Xetic in Xetic space. Sorry Omniwar, but it looks as if you are the one who should get up to date with current affairs. BTW, hope you are feeling better. c0w director admits being in CA but not official member and also admits since they are not officially in CA they do not have a NAP with Xetic. Quote: written by Primer Xenius * Moo supposedly came down to fight cow in a strange twist of fate with the wrong belief that we were aiding them. We have been firing on cow ever since they started piracy in our region (check standings). Since then they have asked for a ransom. Xetic member says they have been fighting c0w since they started piracy against Xetic. Quote: written by Primer Xenius It is unfortunate that our group was push into war. We will hold good standing with both CA and C4 since they have been far more trustworthy in their relationship with us. Xetic member claiming that CA is more trustworthy even if a CA member (not officially though) has been doing piracy against them for some ime before we come. Quote: written by Mursilis Nicely said. Omniwar, it seems that a Xetic representative has just confirmed that CA has not been attacking Xetic. He wasnt aware c0w was in CA, look at the quote from Reverend Necrona where he admits c0w is a member of CA. Quote: written by Darodem I don't think anyone has seen cow ships fighting alongside CA ships in XIF. In fact CA ships in XIF are exceptional. CA seems to be able to honor the intent of the NAP we share with them and at the very least is able to maintain the illusion of distance from Cow. c0w is non official member of CA so they can attack Xetic freely, it has been admitted by both official CA member that c0w is in CA, then Mursilis says that c0w is not really a member of CA since they are only non officially part of CA so they dont have NAP with Xetic and they can attack freely. Quote: written by Rod Blaine Calling XIF muppets of CA for the pure reason that CA has been able to hold true to a NAP and SA hasn't gets me worrying wether you might be biased in any way. But of course that would be nonsense.... But of course i am biased, since i am in CA nowadays. It has been admitted that c0w is part of CA and also been admitted they pirate against Xetic, that is not holding a NAP, not by a long shot. Quote: written by DREAMWORKS We as C4 have the strict rule to not engage Xetic if all agreements of the NAP are followed by either side, this means that we follow our code of honour as much as we possible can. Not sure if you are part of CA and C4, but read above, CA has admitted they have been breaking the NAP, code of honor my butt. For those who dont get it, I pity you all. *Spawn of the Devil*
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:24:00 - [52] thuggie said: Quote: think Xetic broke the nap them selves a couple of months ago when they were camping a gate in u-q. - that blockade was against evolution NOT SA. We let SA pass but they seemed to find it difficult how anyone but themselves could dare camp that system. We had evolution shooting us while you worked along side with them. Go figure. - u-q is in catch and not stain and it totally unrelated to the nap. Finally the CC NAP was legit at one stage when CC existed. I got a copy of it and there are numerous post about it buried in these forums in history that one could find if a search function existed. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:30:00 - [53] You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni. Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:43:00 - [54] Quote: You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni. Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution. Xetic was not aware that c0w was part of CA, official according to Reverend Necrona and non official according to Mursilis. But in this thread they should have figured it out, even without me quoting it. It¦s facts and not possible to deny it now, Xetic may hold the NAP with CA for the fear they have for them but CA still has been breaking the NAP for weeks if not months. *Spawn of the Devil*
Nafri	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:48:00 - [55] Quote: Quote: You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni. Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution. Xetic was not aware that c0w was part of CA, official according to Reverend Necrona and non official according to Mursilis. But in this thread they should have figured it out, even without me quoting it. It¦s facts and not possible to deny it now, Xetic may hold the NAP with CA for the fear they have for them but CA still has been breaking the NAP for weeks if not months. well perhaps xetic just dont like you, evo and SA there must be some reason Wanna fly with me?
Sundri Elaption	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:54:00 - [56] Omniwar we are aware of the fact that COW are friends of Curse Alliance and we are allowed 2 shoot down COW, we were doing that. But we had the same thing with Evolution and SA @ some point.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 16:55:00 - [57] Quote: Quote: Quote: You've sure done some fine diggin and quotin there omni. Fact remains that Xetic says we (CA) have done a good job of holding the NAP, where SA have not. As an ex-member I remember the situation from some months ago, and indeed at that time we (as Xetic) had no problems with CA, and ample problems with SA and evolution. Xetic was not aware that c0w was part of CA, official according to Reverend Necrona and non official according to Mursilis. But in this thread they should have figured it out, even without me quoting it. It¦s facts and not possible to deny it now, Xetic may hold the NAP with CA for the fear they have for them but CA still has been breaking the NAP for weeks if not months. well perhaps xetic just dont like you, evo and SA there must be some reason Might be it, still strange to have a NAP with someone who activly tries to kill you and your members. *Spawn of the Devil*
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:04:00 - [58] Omniwar, As far as I know, COW is NOT in CA. CA told me so and COW told me so and I asked early on when the piracy began and just recently again. Do they have friends in CA? Probably but then I got friends in Moo "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
fuze	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:05:00 - [59] Omniwar has a good point there. Some corps of CA/C4 might have honored the NAP with XETIC but c0w hasn't. And pherhaps a few other corps? SA members reported several attacks from CA/C4 when the travelled through XETIC space. So once or twice trespassing by the odd traveller is out the question. As said XETIC camped in Empire and engaged SA members. They also repeatedly trespassed SA. Ever has a -10 standing with Flying dutchman corp that was mining in Stain territory for months. This has quite a few similarities with the CFS NAP breach. Use a 3rd party to break up a NAP in order to gain tactical advantages from the situation. Quite easy to set up, but much harder to prove. But the fact that an almoast gloating OC mentions this instead an official communique of XETIC or SA at least indicates the advantage is on their side. As Josh pointed out. XETIC are just being puppeteered/muppeteerded or CA has totally no clue what their seperate corps are doing. I'd like to believe the latter but fear the first is true. 'By all means necessary' ___________________________ Favorite bumpersticker of the month: My head hurts!
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:08:00 - [60] Quote: Omniwar, As far as I know, COW is NOT in CA. CA told me so and COW told me so and I asked early on when the piracy began and just recently again. Do they have friends in CA? Probably but then I got friends in Moo Read the posts from Reverend Necrona, Mursilis and the post where I quoted them. Thats facts and cant be denied, its admitted that c0w is part of CA. *Spawn of the Devil*
Sundri Elaption	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:28:00 - [61] It is all about intrest in things. Just a noticafication we respect does who respect our borders. Omniwar
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:32:00 - [62] Omniwar, COW says above that they are not. I talked to some high ups CA reps and they told me the same answer. I'm not sure what Reverend Necrona knows on the issue but I'm certain they are not official members. However lets assume your correct for a second. Let look at the relationship between COW and CA and EVOL and SA purely from a logical point of view. Everlasting was working with Evolution for a long time in the catch region. EVER is in SA and was supposed to obey the NAP. They had been seen camping and hunting with evolution (this was a while back before EVOL went up north) and thus had a relationship MUCH closer then CA to COW. Now EVOL attacked us, attacked us in our space causing far more damage then COW and although it strained the NAP, it never broke it. Thus even if you are correct about COW working with the CA, I don't see how this is any different to the SA/EVOL issue which never broke the NAP. What DID brake the NAP with SA, is when SA ships themselves came down with evolution to open the hostilities. There is my daily exercise in logic "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:49:00 - [63] Quote: written by Mursilis To make things clear, c0w has the same arrangement with CA that m0o had before they decided to attack unprovoked. We are not officially a member of CA, which means that we do not have a NAP with Xetic. Therefore, CA has not been attacking Xetic, we have been attacking them. Some might say that this is just semantics, but the fact remains that CA has not been attacking Xetic in Xetic space. Sorry Omniwar, but it looks as if you are the one who should get up to date with current affairs. BTW, hope you are feeling better. They are not Officially in CA, but they are part of CA non the less, always denyability. The higher ups in CA deny that c0w is a member because that would break the NAP, look at the posts made by Mursilus in the past where he announces his loalty lies with CA, look at previos post about the fight in eo2 where c0w lost few ships fighting with CA, look at Reverend Necronas post where he admits that c0w is part of CA. And yet the higher ups in CA deny and you belief them *Spawn of the Devil*
Bizarre	Posted - 2004.03.22 17:52:00 - [64] Finally Omniwar starts to see the power of denyability! ------------------------------------------------- Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
Friday Dillinja	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:01:00 - [65] Quote: And yet the higher ups in CA deny and you belief them Business as usual. Every corp in CA can do what they want. If they break agreements with others, they arent in CA 'officially' anymore. Tbh I'm amazed anyone still cares. And I'm even more amazed that some people - even CEO's - still buy it. CA is not 'evil' as some of them like to see themselves. They just lack internal comunication. ------------------------------------ retired. niwaie of Xanadu
dalman	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:02:00 - [66] Quote: XETIC have always been CA puppets. If one of the weakest alliances in EVE when it comes to military strength can be the alliance that claims the 2:nd largest area, I'd rather say that alliance is the "master of puppets". (no offence meant about your military, since you on the other hand has the economical strenght to greatly improve it) M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:02:00 - [67] At the U-QVWD camping i think only 25 people know what happened there. That where the guys who were there. I was there camping the gate with other xetic members. We camped the gate too get evolution ships. The reason there was a fight cause 1 collective member was telling everyone we fired upon him, we only saw his ship when he attacked us with the others. We let 4 stain ships pass without shooting or even locking them. So we didn't break the NAP cause it was neutral space. The last couple of weeks HED-GP was constantly camped and we lost alot of ships to SA fire NOT holding the nap. CA fired upon us a few times there but almost all matters where solved. That points out which guys are more thrustworthy. About m0o and Evolution, well they are pirate corps they bring some life in the game. I was pretty bored till these guys came. Too bad we weren't prepared for you guys :) but i will see you soon on the battlefield matching our strenght Enough about this bull About the fight yesterday, i was only there the early hours (had to leave cause of stupid birthday ) It was a clean fight without crap on local. Both sides made losses but not that much only 2 on our side when i was there. Too bad i was not there @ the big battle :( Losses at our side where 1 raven and 1 bb. We killed at least 1-2 bs and some scouts (frigs/pods/shuttles). __________ HC MasiEEE
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:06:00 - [68] Let me point out again, that what your suggesting has been done by SA without ever breaking the NAP. COW/CA < MOO/CA < EVOL/SA In terms of official support. In terms of cooperation of fleets. In terms of damage done. and the EVOL/SA relationship, the worst of them all, never broke the NAP. The recent SA attack did. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Grumpf	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:25:00 - [69] I would like to ask Xetic/IF members not to take part in this pointless PR war. A question has been made and it was answered. We as Xetic/IF can rely on our own experience. We can decide who follows the treaties with us and who does not.
Deathwing	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:39:00 - [70] "No pirating till saturday other then what we agreed on" "But if the need arrises, go ahead, there is always deniability" <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Temujin Destovai	Posted - 2004.03.22 18:47:00 - [71] Deja Vu.. Cept this time Omniwar is pointing out the obvious and not me.. The Chronicles of Xanadu
Stavros	Posted - 2004.03.22 19:23:00 - [72] OMG c0w IS ALLIED WITH PIRATES!!!! :P -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
TGIF	Posted - 2004.03.22 19:44:00 - [73] Quote: written by DREAMWORKS We as C4 have the strict rule to not engage Xetic if all agreements of the NAP are followed by either side, this means that we follow our code of honour as much as we possible can. Quote: Not sure if you are part of CA and C4, but read above, CA has admitted they have been breaking the NAP, code of honor my butt. For those who dont get it, I pity you all. From what i am aware of is that the CA did not confess about CA breaking naps, Rev clearly stated he didnt knew c0w was CA and i don't know either. Seek an official corp list of the ca (whereever it is) and get your resource from that, for all i care is that CA treats c0w like m0o: I don't recall m0o to be a CA corp the last few months just before they backstabbed and betrayed CA, do you? Regarding C4: C4 doesnt have a nap from what i can recall and this can be found in all the Xetic corp tags, with any alliance or corp really. CA does, and we (OC/Ota and even c4 while we c4 doesnt have a nap) have respected that nap as good as possible in a wartime. c0w are great guys, and make me giggle about farmers in bondage suits, so please go back to your usuall buisness... You suck in making stories us and adjusting facts. - - - Absinthe Fueled
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.03.22 20:12:00 - [74] Quote: From what i am aware of is that the CA did not confess about CA breaking naps, Rev clearly stated he didnt knew c0w was CA and i don't know either. So in the quotes below Rev says what exacly ? Quote: Quote: written by Deathwing Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long Quote: written by Reverend Necrona No you haven't... Quote: written by Omniwar So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ? Quote: written by Reverend Necrona nope. Here he admits that c0w is in CA. You know it is always best in an argument to back up your words with proofs, else your words doesnt count. You cant have one person in your alliance admit to something and then come back few minutes later and deny it, it makes you look really stupid, note that I am not saying you are stupid, you just look stupid. *Spawn of the Devil*
Triniton	Posted - 2004.03.22 20:22:00 - [75] I like muffins.. bizarre muffins.. the one with the "banana nut" is better than "choc chip" and i havent tasted "blueberry" yet. Maby i will soon.. not sure tho, I like bizarres sig. The smilie¦s stop moveing if u click them and my radio makes a funny noise when i unplug the antenna.. sometimes i think about how its like being a professional ping-ping player.. they used to wear awesome uniforms. I think the girl in the upper right corner is either cross-eyed or just makeing a silly face to say "i dont care, ** the system, power to the ppl" kinda thing, do u think she get payed well for standing there? And its probably hard to stand there 24/7 being cross-eyed all the time.. the guy behind her is totally checking her out, trying to be kewl about it but isnt. Nice weather outside today. What do u think? ZOMBIE PRUNES!**
thuggie	Posted - 2004.03.22 21:54:00 - [76] Quote: thuggie said: Quote: think Xetic broke the nap them selves a couple of months ago when they were camping a gate in u-q. - that blockade was against evolution NOT SA. We let SA pass but they seemed to find it difficult how anyone but themselves could dare camp that system. We had evolution shooting us while you worked along side with them. Go figure. - u-q is in catch and not stain and it totally unrelated to the nap. Finally the CC NAP was legit at one stage when CC existed. I got a copy of it and there are numerous post about it buried in these forums in history that one could find if a search function existed. Ok.. this is what Joviah, the leader of the Curse Coalition said to me the first time i saw a Xetic-dude in local: "that's fu*** bullsh, i'd kill them just for putting a fake NAP in their description". And... sure, camping u-q,. if i'm not mistaking,. there was CA dudes camping the same gate,. you dont think that's a threat to the NAP? And oh.. if you're out to kill Evolution, you're probably better off doing it in another region then catch.
olyyy	Posted - 2004.03.22 21:57:00 - [77] Erm... For battle: http://www.prostats.co.uk/ps/f.jpg SA had like 15 ships (7 jumped and 7 warped on us). I'd like to correct kill list also, abisha lost a tempest, not a MOA. How comes ? Well, we were doing a great job (on picture already a good part of SA fleet had warped away and 2 minutes later they had all fled). In fact at this point losses where around 1 for XIF to 3-4 for SA. THEN I got the Darwin leader award... I saw last SA ship warping away... so I decided to chase him with gang warp on planet. In fact he was at safe spot and they warped back to stargate. During this time I made another gang warp to stargate... In fact 7-8 XIF ships felt in the middle of the SA gang that had just gang warped back to gate (there was really no way else than colors to see XIF ships from SA's ships). It was like erm... 8 to 15 I think we got a megathron but we got omg wtf pwned. So well, we were doing great, winning in fact and routing SA fleet until I made this stupid thing ^^ I had been fighting SA for all day long, and believe me a XIF fleet is not easy to move so I was kinda tired ^^ Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Dolemite2K	Posted - 2004.03.22 22:11:00 - [78] Quote: SA had like 15 ships (7 jumped and 7 warped on us). ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day
Shiwan Khan	Posted - 2004.03.22 22:23:00 - [79] Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic...
Cartiff	Posted - 2004.03.22 22:35:00 - [80] maths never was olyyys stroung suit :) I was omw to the battle and listening to the TS/channel chatter, sounded like a sweet ass fight until the darwin moment I think this thread is pretty much dead or verging on the flame bait so i think I'm gonna wander off Cya in Space
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.03.22 22:37:00 - [81] Quote: Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic... That is an affirmative. What happened at the beginning of the mOo trouble was that a smaller fleet of 5 mOo and 1 Evol jumped to the E8-YS9 system, where we had minimal forces, and made a rather odd and counter-productive demand saying that we would break the NAP and any connections to CA or be crushed. So basically, anything mOo or Evol say in this debate about anything dealing with CA and Xetic relationship should be considered with doubt. And yes, we had some reports before this that there had been a corporation masquerading as Xetic attacking CA ships. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
olyyy	Posted - 2004.03.22 22:50:00 - [82] Quote: maths never was olyyys stroung suit :) grumbl want me to change your new rifter cart ? Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
dalman	Posted - 2004.03.22 22:54:00 - [83] Edited by: dalman on 22/03/2004 22:57:13 Quote: How comes ? Well, we were doing a great job (on picture already a good part of SA fleet had warped away and 2 minutes later they had all fled). Fled... regrouped... is there a difference? If the enemy is 100km away and half their fleet consists of scorpions with sensor dampeners, I think that it's a pretty boring way to waste missiles. Would be about us much fun to fire missiles on an asteroid. Maybe that's just me, cause almost all our enemies seems to think otherwise. hint "almost all" would be pretty much everyone except RUS. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Moe Sczyzlak	Posted - 2004.03.23 00:16:00 - [84] WOOAHHH. A thread about CA? How about some variation guys? Better yet, how about we get a new forum. Dedicated to the CA?
Mursilis	Posted - 2004.03.23 00:32:00 - [85] Quote: Quote: Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic... That is an affirmative. What happened at the beginning of the mOo trouble was that a smaller fleet of 5 mOo and 1 Evol jumped to the E8-YS9 system, where we had minimal forces, and made a rather odd and counter-productive demand saying that we would break the NAP and any connections to CA or be crushed. So basically, anything mOo or Evol say in this debate about anything dealing with CA and Xetic relationship should be considered with doubt. And yes, we had some reports before this that there had been a corporation masquerading as Xetic attacking CA ships. Good point Ithildin. It seems that m0o and that other corp they hang out with are both trying to cause instability in both CA and Xetic space by spreading false rumors. SA, m0o, and that other corp cannot be trusted.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.03.23 00:58:00 - [86] *yawn Xetic is our friends. They know where we stand. They know where you have stood all along. nuff said
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2004.03.23 00:58:00 - [87] *yawn Xetic is our friends. They know where we stand. They know where you have stood all along. nuff said
Absurd	Posted - 2004.03.23 01:07:00 - [88] Quote: Quote: Quote: Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic... That is an affirmative. What happened at the beginning of the mOo trouble was that a smaller fleet of 5 mOo and 1 Evol jumped to the E8-YS9 system, where we had minimal forces, and made a rather odd and counter-productive demand saying that we would break the NAP and any connections to CA or be crushed. So basically, anything mOo or Evol say in this debate about anything dealing with CA and Xetic relationship should be considered with doubt. And yes, we had some reports before this that there had been a corporation masquerading as Xetic attacking CA ships. Good point Ithildin. It seems that m0o and that other corp they hang out with are both trying to cause instability in both CA and Xetic space by spreading false rumors. SA, m0o, and that other corp cannot be trusted. Yes and your are the pillar of trust, after all, you made that post about your plans to steal from m0o
Ocidious Prime	Posted - 2004.03.23 01:18:00 - [89] Everyone in Stain has known for sometime that Xetic has allowed CA to pass through their region unchecked on their way to X-7 and C9N. I personally have thought for sometime that Xetic should be held accountable for these actions. SA respected your Borders for sometime. My Corp would not travel through your space even though it was a safer path to Empire. Yet CA would mass in X-7 and hit C9N and they wouldn't come through Stain. Whether attacking your alliance was the right move or not is yet to be seen, but you can not blame the founding Corps for taking action against you. And know this. If you side with CA they will over run your space as an ally and mine your presious area and hold it to be there own. It is no mistake they claim to have the largest amount of 0.0 space. It's because they think it is all there space. If loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Morlock	Posted - 2004.03.23 05:13:00 - [90] actually both CA/C4 AND SA have been using xetic space as a "safe" transit zone for some time. i come across people from all of these alliances often in my patrol duties. i always ask in local their destination and escort them out of our space in an attempt to maintain the NAP. however when pilots do not respond then they are fair game because their intent cannot be seen and they are shot. i love it when they try to run accusations of XETIC "allowing" CA/C4/SA or whoever to gather and transit XETIC space to attack each other are false - in weeks of patrolling no major force has traversed our space lanes and non-XETIC traffic is limited to lone frigates/shuttles (they got guts ) and very rarely the odd cruiser. in the interests of our NAPS with SA/CA (until recently) all pilots which announced their presence were escorted out in peace, noted in my black book and asked to avoid this part of space again. pilots who tried to make a run for it were shot down. XETIC values its neutrality and only wishes to get on with business, allowing alliances to use our space for their military purposes puts this in jeapordy so it has never been allowed.
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2004.03.23 07:47:00 - [91] Well you can talk hours of who did what but all sides think/heared or maybe saw different. I can only tell things what i know. We shot every NON xetic ship in our space after giving them the chance to be escorted out. On my guarding duty i have escorted SA out most. largest fleet was about 12 ships (4bs 5cr 3fr). on CA side maybe 1-2 or lonely frigs. We always stayed neutral and denied acces on all fronts. __________ HC MasiEEE
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2004.03.23 08:17:00 - [92] This thread reminds me of the old threads concerning CA "relationship" with CA when they started to attack the CFS. "but there is always deniability" Tal What goes around comes around...
WinterMJ	Posted - 2004.03.23 10:55:00 - [93] We've only been in XiF for a little over one month, so don't know much about past history and have good private relations with a few SA/CA and the odd C4 corp. All I know is that since the new routs opened up, I personally (being on the border with CA) have had to escort a lot of SA ships out and only 1 CA. The only real trouble (aside from the odd non-English speaking RUS member getting trigger happy in catch =]) XiF has with CA at the moment comes from Arcane Tech UK (ATUK).. or whatever they're called. Both in catch and within XiF, it remains to be seen how CA will deal with the repeated attacks - not my area. Aside from all that TSynd has never really had a big problem with any Alliances, we try to respect everybody and prefer to avoid the politics. Still, that changes a little with war. Anyway, I just wanted to say that - despite a serious error by the XiF fleet commander with warping back to the gate LOL - I truly enjoyed the combat with [COL] on Sunday. No smack talk, a good engagement and more lag than a game of Quake3 on a 14Kbps modem. We don't care much about losses, winning or losing, it's all about the fun and personal growth. Oh and that CoW thing, donÆt know much about that, except they have small Kestrels in Immensea taking out haulers + the odd larger engagement and so forth. Not a huge problem, just an irritating distraction from sitting in a hangar twirling ones Raven (LOL û come on admit it, youÆve all done something similar =]).
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.03.23 11:10:00 - [94] ok confirmed that there are non-xetic pilots posing as Xetic attacking CA people in catch, also non - CA are attacking Xetic pilots. I think enough has been said here. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.03.30 06:19:00 - [95] Quote: OMG c0w IS ALLIED WITH PIRATES!!!! :P Omfg ?!?! Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.03.30 06:49:00 - [96] From my intel i received that Xetic has made up with Stain and settled an agreement, can any Xetic confirm this? __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2004.03.30 06:51:00 - [97] Omniwar: You're misinterpreting Rev. He said "nope" to your question "do you deny it?" Obviously he can't deny it if he doesn't know... How do you take that to mean c0w is a member of CA ? Saying no to that question isn't confirming anything. http://eve.klaki.net/
Grumpf	Posted - 2004.03.30 07:19:00 - [98] @Dreamworks: If you need info on XETIC/IF's positions contact me or Sandokan in game please. XETIC/IF will not discuss its politics on a publicly avaiable board.
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.03.30 07:51:00 - [99] Quote: Omniwar: You're misinterpreting Rev. He said "nope" to your question "do you deny it?" Obviously he can't deny it if he doesn't know... How do you take that to mean c0w is a member of CA ? Saying no to that question isn't confirming anything. Yeah thats what i hoped to hear from rev aswell but he didnt got back onto it. Its how i seen his answer too. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html

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