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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:28:00 -
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It is all about intrest in things.
Just a noticafication we respect does who respect our borders.
Omniwar
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:32:00 -
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Omniwar,
COW says above that they are not. I talked to some high ups CA reps and they told me the same answer. I'm not sure what Reverend Necrona knows on the issue but I'm certain they are not official members.
However lets assume your correct for a second. Let look at the relationship between COW and CA and EVOL and SA purely from a logical point of view.
Everlasting was working with Evolution for a long time in the catch region. EVER is in SA and was supposed to obey the NAP. They had been seen camping and hunting with evolution (this was a while back before EVOL went up north) and thus had a relationship MUCH closer then CA to COW.
Now EVOL attacked us, attacked us in our space causing far more damage then COW and although it strained the NAP, it never broke it. Thus even if you are correct about COW working with the CA, I don't see how this is any different to the SA/EVOL issue which never broke the NAP.
What DID brake the NAP with SA, is when SA ships themselves came down with evolution to open the hostilities.
There is my daily exercise in logic 
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:49:00 -
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written by Mursilis To make things clear, c0w has the same arrangement with CA that m0o had before they decided to attack unprovoked. We are not officially a member of CA, which means that we do not have a NAP with Xetic. Therefore, CA has not been attacking Xetic, we have been attacking them. Some might say that this is just semantics, but the fact remains that CA has not been attacking Xetic in Xetic space. Sorry Omniwar, but it looks as if you are the one who should get up to date with current affairs. BTW, hope you are feeling better.
They are not Officially in CA, but they are part of CA non the less, always denyability.
The higher ups in CA deny that c0w is a member because that would break the NAP, look at the posts made by Mursilus in the past where he announces his loalty lies with CA, look at previos post about the fight in eo2 where c0w lost few ships fighting with CA, look at Reverend Necronas post where he admits that c0w is part of CA.
And yet the higher ups in CA deny and you belief them 
Spawn of the Devil
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Bizarre
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:52:00 -
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Finally Omniwar starts to see the power of denyability!
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Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
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Friday Dillinja
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Posted - 2004.03.22 18:01:00 -
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And yet the higher ups in CA deny and you belief them
Business as usual. Every corp in CA can do what they want. If they break agreements with others, they arent in CA 'officially' anymore. Tbh I'm amazed anyone still cares. And I'm even more amazed that some people - even CEO's - still buy it.
CA is not 'evil' as some of them like to see themselves. They just lack internal comunication.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.03.22 18:02:00 -
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XETIC have always been CA puppets.
If one of the weakest alliances in EVE when it comes to military strength can be the alliance that claims the 2:nd largest area, I'd rather say that alliance is the "master of puppets".
(no offence meant about your military, since you on the other hand has the economical strenght to greatly improve it)
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2004.03.22 18:02:00 -
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At the U-QVWD camping i think only 25 people know what happened there. That where the guys who were there. I was there camping the gate with other xetic members. We camped the gate too get evolution ships. The reason there was a fight cause 1 collective member was telling everyone we fired upon him, we only saw his ship when he attacked us with the others. We let 4 stain ships pass without shooting or even locking them. So we didn't break the NAP cause it was neutral space.
The last couple of weeks HED-GP was constantly camped and we lost alot of ships to SA fire NOT holding the nap. CA fired upon us a few times there but almost all matters where solved. That points out which guys are more thrustworthy.
About m0o and Evolution, well they are pirate corps they bring some life in the game. I was pretty bored till these guys came. Too bad we weren't prepared for you guys :) but i will see you soon on the battlefield matching our strenght 
Enough about this bull 
About the fight yesterday, i was only there the early hours (had to leave cause of stupid birthday  ) It was a clean fight without crap on local. Both sides made losses but not that much only 2 on our side when i was there. Too bad i was not there @ the big battle :(
Losses at our side where 1 raven and 1 bb. We killed at least 1-2 bs and some scouts (frigs/pods/shuttles).
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HC MasiEEE
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.03.22 18:06:00 -
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Let me point out again, that what your suggesting has been done by SA without ever breaking the NAP.
COW/CA < MOO/CA < EVOL/SA
In terms of official support.
In terms of cooperation of fleets.
In terms of damage done.
and the EVOL/SA relationship, the worst of them all, never broke the NAP.
The recent SA attack did.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Grumpf
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Posted - 2004.03.22 18:25:00 -
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I would like to ask Xetic/IF members not to take part in this pointless PR war. A question has been made and it was answered.
We as Xetic/IF can rely on our own experience. We can decide who follows the treaties with us and who does not.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.03.22 18:39:00 -
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"No pirating till saturday other then what we agreed on"
"But if the need arrises, go ahead, there is always deniability"
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.03.22 18:47:00 -
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Deja Vu..
Cept this time Omniwar is pointing out the obvious and not me..
The Chronicles of Xanadu |
Stavros
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Posted - 2004.03.22 19:23:00 -
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OMG c0w IS ALLIED WITH PIRATES!!!! :P
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.03.22 19:44:00 -
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written by DREAMWORKS We as C4 have the strict rule to not engage Xetic if all agreements of the NAP are followed by either side, this means that we follow our code of honour as much as we possible can.
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Not sure if you are part of CA and C4, but read above, CA has admitted they have been breaking the NAP, code of honor my butt.
For those who dont get it, I pity you all.
From what i am aware of is that the CA did not confess about CA breaking naps, Rev clearly stated he didnt knew c0w was CA and i don't know either. Seek an official corp list of the ca (whereever it is) and get your resource from that, for all i care is that CA treats c0w like m0o:
I don't recall m0o to be a CA corp the last few months just before they backstabbed and betrayed CA, do you?
Regarding C4: C4 doesnt have a nap from what i can recall and this can be found in all the Xetic corp tags, with any alliance or corp really. CA does, and we (OC/Ota and even c4 while we c4 doesnt have a nap) have respected that nap as good as possible in a wartime.
c0w are great guys, and make me giggle about farmers in bondage suits, so please go back to your usuall buisness... You suck in making stories us and adjusting facts.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.22 20:12:00 -
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From what i am aware of is that the CA did not confess about CA breaking naps, Rev clearly stated he didnt knew c0w was CA and i don't know either.
So in the quotes below Rev says what exacly ?
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written by Deathwing Ive seen CA forces engage Xetic forces in Xetic space
so who is to say that Xetic and CA will stay friends for long
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written by Reverend Necrona No you haven't...
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written by Omniwar So you deny the fact c0w is in CA ?
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written by Reverend Necrona nope.
Here he admits that c0w is in CA.
You know it is always best in an argument to back up your words with proofs, else your words doesnt count.
You cant have one person in your alliance admit to something and then come back few minutes later and deny it, it makes you look really stupid, note that I am not saying you are stupid, you just look stupid.
Spawn of the Devil
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Triniton
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Posted - 2004.03.22 20:22:00 -
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I like muffins.. bizarre muffins.. the one with the "banana nut" is better than "choc chip" and i havent tasted "blueberry" yet. Maby i will soon.. not sure tho, I like bizarres sig. The smilie¦s stop moveing if u click them and my radio makes a funny noise when i unplug the antenna.. sometimes i think about how its like being a professional ping-ping player.. they used to wear awesome uniforms. I think the girl in the upper right corner is either cross-eyed or just makeing a silly face to say "i dont care, **** the system, power to the ppl" kinda thing, do u think she get payed well for standing there? And its probably hard to stand there 24/7 being cross-eyed all the time.. the guy behind her is totally checking her out, trying to be kewl about it but isnt. Nice weather outside today. What do u think?
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thuggie
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Posted - 2004.03.22 21:54:00 -
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think Xetic broke the nap them selves a couple of months ago when they were camping a gate in u-q.
- that blockade was against evolution NOT SA. We let SA pass but they seemed to find it difficult how anyone but themselves could dare camp that system. We had evolution shooting us while you worked along side with them. Go figure.
- u-q is in catch and not stain and it totally unrelated to the nap.
Finally the CC NAP was legit at one stage when CC existed. I got a copy of it and there are numerous post about it buried in these forums in history that one could find if a search function existed.
Ok.. this is what Joviah, the leader of the Curse Coalition said to me the first time i saw a Xetic-dude in local:
"that's fu***** bullsh**, i'd kill them just for putting a fake NAP in their description".
And... sure, camping u-q,. if i'm not mistaking,. there was CA dudes camping the same gate,. you dont think that's a threat to the NAP?
And oh.. if you're out to kill Evolution, you're probably better off doing it in another region then catch.
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.03.22 21:57:00 -
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Erm...
For battle:
http://www.prostats.co.uk/ps/f.jpg
SA had like 15 ships (7 jumped and 7 warped on us).
I'd like to correct kill list also, abisha lost a tempest, not a MOA.
How comes ? Well, we were doing a great job (on picture already a good part of SA fleet had warped away and 2 minutes later they had all fled). In fact at this point losses where around 1 for XIF to 3-4 for SA.
THEN I got the Darwin leader award... I saw last SA ship warping away... so I decided to chase him with gang warp on planet. In fact he was at safe spot and they warped back to stargate. During this time I made another gang warp to stargate... In fact 7-8 XIF ships felt in the middle of the SA gang that had just gang warped back to gate (there was really no way else than colors to see XIF ships from SA's ships). It was like erm... 8 to 15 I think we got a megathron but we got omg wtf pwned.
So well, we were doing great, winning in fact and routing SA fleet until I made this stupid thing ^^ I had been fighting SA for all day long, and believe me a XIF fleet is not easy to move so I was kinda tired ^^
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2004.03.22 22:11:00 -
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SA had like 15 ships (7 jumped and 7 warped on us).
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2004.03.22 22:23:00 -
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Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic...
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2004.03.22 22:35:00 -
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maths never was olyyys stroung suit :)
I was omw to the battle and listening to the TS/channel chatter, sounded like a sweet ass fight until the darwin moment
I think this thread is pretty much dead or verging on the flame bait so i think I'm gonna wander off
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.03.22 22:37:00 -
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Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic...
That is an affirmative. What happened at the beginning of the mOo trouble was that a smaller fleet of 5 mOo and 1 Evol jumped to the E8-YS9 system, where we had minimal forces, and made a rather odd and counter-productive demand saying that we would break the NAP and any connections to CA or be crushed.
So basically, anything mOo or Evol say in this debate about anything dealing with CA and Xetic relationship should be considered with doubt.
And yes, we had some reports before this that there had been a corporation masquerading as Xetic attacking CA ships.
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.03.22 22:50:00 -
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maths never was olyyys stroung suit :)
*grumbl* want me to change your new rifter cart ?
Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 ) |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.03.22 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 22/03/2004 22:57:13
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How comes ? Well, we were doing a great job (on picture already a good part of SA fleet had warped away and 2 minutes later they had all fled).
Fled... regrouped...
is there a difference?
If the enemy is 100km away and half their fleet consists of scorpions with sensor dampeners, I think that it's a pretty boring way to waste missiles. Would be about us much fun to fire missiles on an asteroid.
Maybe that's just me, cause almost all our enemies seems to think otherwise.
*hint* "almost all" would be pretty much everyone except RUS.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Moe Sczyzlak
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Posted - 2004.03.23 00:16:00 -
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WOOAHHH.
A thread about CA?
How about some variation guys?
Better yet, how about we get a new forum. Dedicated to the CA?
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Mursilis
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Posted - 2004.03.23 00:32:00 -
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Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic...
That is an affirmative. What happened at the beginning of the mOo trouble was that a smaller fleet of 5 mOo and 1 Evol jumped to the E8-YS9 system, where we had minimal forces, and made a rather odd and counter-productive demand saying that we would break the NAP and any connections to CA or be crushed.
So basically, anything mOo or Evol say in this debate about anything dealing with CA and Xetic relationship should be considered with doubt.
And yes, we had some reports before this that there had been a corporation masquerading as Xetic attacking CA ships.
Good point Ithildin. It seems that m0o and that other corp they hang out with are both trying to cause instability in both CA and Xetic space by spreading false rumors. SA, m0o, and that other corp cannot be trusted.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.23 00:58:00 -
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*yawn
Xetic is our friends. They know where we stand. They know where you have stood all along. nuff said
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.23 00:58:00 -
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*yawn
Xetic is our friends. They know where we stand. They know where you have stood all along. nuff said
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Absurd
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Posted - 2004.03.23 01:07:00 -
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Well, I have reason to believe that either m0o or Evol are trying to get the nap with Xetic and CA broken. I was fighting with some friends of mine against m0ovolution a few days back and there was a Xetic member in a BB (at least we thought he was a Xetic member). After m0ovolution started to lose the fight he announced that "Xetic in system, i am coming through". I asked around and found out that this member was not actually a Xetic member at all....which leads me to believe that m0ovolution are trying to get CA to attack Xetic...
That is an affirmative. What happened at the beginning of the mOo trouble was that a smaller fleet of 5 mOo and 1 Evol jumped to the E8-YS9 system, where we had minimal forces, and made a rather odd and counter-productive demand saying that we would break the NAP and any connections to CA or be crushed.
So basically, anything mOo or Evol say in this debate about anything dealing with CA and Xetic relationship should be considered with doubt.
And yes, we had some reports before this that there had been a corporation masquerading as Xetic attacking CA ships.
Good point Ithildin. It seems that m0o and that other corp they hang out with are both trying to cause instability in both CA and Xetic space by spreading false rumors. SA, m0o, and that other corp cannot be trusted.
Yes and your are the pillar of trust, after all, you made that post about your plans to steal from m0o 
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Ocidious Prime
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Posted - 2004.03.23 01:18:00 -
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Everyone in Stain has known for sometime that Xetic has allowed CA to pass through their region unchecked on their way to X-7 and C9N. I personally have thought for sometime that Xetic should be held accountable for these actions.
SA respected your Borders for sometime. My Corp would not travel through your space even though it was a safer path to Empire. Yet CA would mass in X-7 and hit C9N and they wouldn't come through Stain.
Whether attacking your alliance was the right move or not is yet to be seen, but you can not blame the founding Corps for taking action against you. And know this. If you side with CA they will over run your space as an ally and mine your presious area and hold it to be there own. It is no mistake they claim to have the largest amount of 0.0 space. It's because they think it is all there space.
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Morlock
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Posted - 2004.03.23 05:13:00 -
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actually both CA/C4 AND SA have been using xetic space as a "safe" transit zone for some time. i come across people from all of these alliances often in my patrol duties. i always ask in local their destination and escort them out of our space in an attempt to maintain the NAP. however when pilots do not respond then they are fair game because their intent cannot be seen and they are shot. i love it when they try to run 
accusations of XETIC "allowing" CA/C4/SA or whoever to gather and transit XETIC space to attack each other are false - in weeks of patrolling no major force has traversed our space lanes and non-XETIC traffic is limited to lone frigates/shuttles (they got guts ) and very rarely the odd cruiser. in the interests of our NAPS with SA/CA (until recently) all pilots which announced their presence were escorted out in peace, noted in my black book and asked to avoid this part of space again. pilots who tried to make a run for it were shot down.
XETIC values its neutrality and only wishes to get on with business, allowing alliances to use our space for their military purposes puts this in jeapordy so it has never been allowed.
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