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DroneBay Diva The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:03:00 - [1] 15:54:23 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:28 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:28 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:31 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:35 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:39 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:43 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:46 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:50 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:53 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:56 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:54:59 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:55:02 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:55:05 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:55:09 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:55:09 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:55:09 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:55:12 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. 15:55:18 Notify Your attempt to target Capsule failed. etc etc 15:59:52 Notify You have started trying to warp scramble Cosner [H8TE]<KOS>(Capsule). 4 minutes to lock a pod???? Good friggin thing the guy was afk. _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nano-f*g
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:05:00 - [2] They do have their bug hunters, but they are just humans, they can't find every single bug before it hits Tranquility. Why don't you help them out by filing a bug report on the issue? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
DroneBay Diva The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:07:00 - [3] TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nano-f*g
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:13:00 - [4] Originally by: DroneBay Diva TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. I'm really sad to hear that your job requires you to be machine-like perfect. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:16:00 - [5] Originally by: DroneBay Diva TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. There does not exist a bug free software out there in the big world.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:22:00 - [6] Originally by: DroneBay Diva TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. I completely fail to see how this bug occuring once constitutes poor performance and the loss of someone's job _
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:31:00 - [7] Originally by: DroneBay Diva TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. You have my sympathies. I've worked for that kind of company myself, they all had staff turnover above 75% per annum. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:31:00 - [8] Actually CCP should publish quarterly bug report status to keep its player base happy so you don't get the CCP does not care thread like this. This community love graphs so why not publish quarterly bug status with number of bugs against time. Put in three lines - unconfirmed bugs, confirmed bugs and fixed bugs. The community can then see how hard CCP is working and how much they love us. Nobody has ever asked for this before? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:32:00 - [9] Originally by: DroneBay Diva TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. Only someone without a job could make an ignorant remark such as yours.
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Actually CCP should publish quarterly bug report status to keep its player base happy so you don't get the CCP does not care thread like this. This community love graphs so why not publish quarterly bug status with number of bugs against time. Put in three lines - unconfirmed bugs, confirmed bugs and fixed bugs. The community can then see how hard CCP is working and how much they love us. Nobody has ever asked for this before? Honestly I'd rather have them spend that extra time in graph making/what you suggest, on fixing more bugs. CCP has nothing to prove to us, nor is this a race...nor should it be. So actually, CCP should just do it's job, which it already is, and just forget this thread exists.

Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Cadela Fria Only someone without a job could make an ignorant remark such as yours. Not necessary. I can tell you from my experience working as a part of the crew of the customer service team at the local McDonalds. If the food ordered by the customer is not fast enough, we would be warned and then fired subsequently because we fail to deliver fast food. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Cadela Fria Honestly I'd rather have them spend that extra time in graph making/what you suggest, on fixing more bugs. CCP has nothing to prove to us, nor is this a race...nor should it be. So actually, CCP should just do it's job, which it already is, and just forget this thread exists. Well, I think there are very useful quarterly economic report in this game, isn't it? So why not have a quarterly bug report too? It is not that hard and it tells the players base the progress of the game. I think it is quite useful. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:48:00 - [13] CCP has approx 300 thousand bug hunters - hit that bug report button and you are well on your way. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2008.01.12 17:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Tamia Clant They do have their bug hunters, but they are just humans, they can't find every single bug before it hits Tranquility. Why don't you help them out by filing a bug report on the issue? 1) Some of the bugs have been in this game since the game went gold ( I should know, I played beta). 2) I did used to fill in bug reports. The last 2 they denied ever happened 'after thousands of hours testing'. One was a boot.ini problem, the other was where they eve.exe was run and nothing happened. This turned out to be a screen resolution bug, which hundreds suffered from. Now I dont bother because they NEVER do anything about them. Damn, these people cant even answer petitions so what hope do bugs have? Originally by: Ian Holloway Smooth as a cashmere codpiece
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.01.12 17:07:00 - [15] Originally by: annoing 1) Some of the bugs have been in this game since the game went gold ( I should know, I played beta). Examples please, saying "I should know because..." is not enough to make your sentence correct.
DroneBay Diva The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.12 17:09:00 - [16] I'll be the first to admit I'm not the most patient person out there. However, in every job I've ever had, fixing a problem in a timely fashion is just as important as getting it done efficiently. This bug that I have pointed out is not a new bug, nor does it seem like a particularly difficult bug to figure out. This has been around, like many other bugs, since the trinity patch (and yes, it has been bug reported, not by me, but I know people who have reported it). To me, it seems that one month(ish) should be ample time to fix most of the bugs. I know they are only human, and they don't have the easiest job in the world, but honestly, while they are doing their job, there seems to be a certain lack of urgency on their part. This was not intended to be an anti-CCP post/rant, although I realize it came out that way. This post really was more of a heat of the moment 'I'm ***ed off' post (notice the time in the log reports compared to the time this thread was made ) I'm not going to apologize for making this post however, simply because I feel I'm bang on with there being a lack of urgency from the team at CCP. And no, you can't have my stuff. Screw off. _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nano-fg
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.01.12 18:10:00 - [17] Originally by: DroneBay Diva To me, it seems that one month(ish) should be ample time to fix most of the bugs. I know they are only human, and they don't have the easiest job in the world, but honestly, while they are doing their job, there seems to be a certain lack of urgency on their part. And what qualifications in Quality Assurance, Programing or Project Leadership do you have that makes you qualified to make such a statement? I would like to see your timetable with a list of bugs and your estimated time in fixing them individually, and since you seem to have such a deep understanding of how easy these bugs are to fix why dont you apply for a Bug Hunter position, who knows, if you are as qualified in this field as you are suggesting then you could probably show CCP how efficient you are and then you could collect your paycheck from them as well.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 19:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 12/01/2008 16:36:33 Originally by: Cadela Fria Honestly I'd rather have them spend that extra time in graph making/what you suggest, on fixing more bugs. CCP has nothing to prove to us, nor is this a race...nor should it be. So actually, CCP should just do it's job, which it already is, and just forget this thread exists. Well, I think there are very useful quarterly economic reports in this game, isn't it? So why not have a quarterly bug reports too? It is not that hard and it tells the players base the progress of the game. I think it is quite useful. I think they have daily bug reports. There is a large program that you can download from their website that, when installed, you type your username and password and then pick a chacter to test eve. It is not free so you do have to pay for a subscription though. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(21 total)
Ironnight Caldari x13 When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.12 19:08:00 - [19] I would like to see them work on bugs, the overview comes to mind. The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
Riho Drop of Blood	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:26:00 - [20] Originally by: DroneBay Diva TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. aparently you are aware that there is no software that has no bugs... and probably never will be. ---------------------------------- Seems that there's a new game that seems to be very popular whit whiners these days. Its called EFT Online. dont listen those people.. as they dont have a clue

Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:33:00 - [21] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: DroneBay Diva TBH if i performed like this at my job I'd be fired by now. I'm really sad to hear that your job requires you to be machine-like perfect. Well there are only so many excuses for screwing up that double cheeseburger order... --
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:34:00 - [22] From what I've seen on SiSi most bug hunters are more concerned with making their officer fit ships immune from all attacks when they are dying than testing any bugs.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Originally by: DroneBay Diva To me, it seems that one month(ish) should be ample time to fix most of the bugs. I know they are only human, and they don't have the easiest job in the world, but honestly, while they are doing their job, there seems to be a certain lack of urgency on their part. And what qualifications in Quality Assurance, Programing or Project Leadership do you have that makes you qualified to make such a statement? I would like to see your timetable with a list of bugs and your estimated time in fixing them individually, and since you seem to have such a deep understanding of how easy these bugs are to fix why dont you apply for a Bug Hunter position, who knows, if you are as qualified in this field as you are suggesting then you could probably show CCP how efficient you are and then you could collect your paycheck from them as well. One has to be a fool to claim that one month is enough to fix all the bugs in EVE, but you have to be a bigger fool to pretend that CCP are doing fine and the players should fix their countless bugs. Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Cadela Fria Only someone without a job could make an ignorant remark such as yours. Not necessary. I can tell you from my experience working as a part of the crew of the customer service team at the local McDonalds. If the food ordered by the customer is not fast enough, we would be warned and then fired subsequently because we fail to deliver fast food. I thought that in order to get actually fired from McDonalds was that you had to break procedures 3 times. More than likely, if you don't get food to the customer fast enough, your managers would move you elsewhere and find something that you are better at. Or at least that's what my managers would do 0_o.
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Lazuran One has to be a fool to claim that one month is enough to fix all the bugs in EVE, but you have to be a bigger fool to pretend that CCP are doing fine and the players should fix their countless bugs. Countless bugs will always exist within any software environment, pretending anything about the position of CCP is not needed. As a small independent game developer and producer they are doing a fantastic work on the market place and their product while not perfect is doing fine. But you can call me a fool as much as you want, doesn't change the fact that whining about certain bugs and then making all encompassing statements regarding the state of the game any less stupid.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.12 22:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Originally by: Lazuran One has to be a fool to claim that one month is enough to fix all the bugs in EVE, but you have to be a bigger fool to pretend that CCP are doing fine and the players should fix their countless bugs. Countless bugs will always exist within any software environment, Sometimes more, more often less. EVE is certainly not a shining example of bug-free software and unfortunately a good contender for one of the most bug-ridden games ever. Even the biggest fanbois would have to admit that. Quote: pretending anything about the position of CCP is not needed. As a small independent game developer Independent from what exactly? Last time I checked, CCP had some investors on board. "Independent" is usually an euphemism for "small" in the gaming industry and since CCP call themselves "one of the worldÆs largest independent game developers" (see the Transgaming press release), I don't see what you are trying to use this as an excuse for. Quote: and producer they are doing a fantastic work on the market place and their product while not perfect is doing fine. The well-being of EVE on the MMO market is not the issue here and "doing fine" is certainly not what you could honestly say about the bugginess of EVE. Quote: But you can call me a fool as much as you want, doesn't change the fact that whining about certain bugs and then making all encompassing statements regarding the state of the game any less stupid. As is coming up with excuses such as "CCP is an independent developer" and "it's doing fine on the market" when the quality of the software is discussed. There's really not much to say about the whole thing other than that it's extremely disappointing to many of us players how bug-ridden EVE is. It could also do much better than "fine" on the market if they paid more attention to QA. Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
DrCous Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.12 22:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Tamia Clant They do have their bug hunters, but they are just humans, they can't find every single bug before it hits Tranquility. Why don't you help them out by filing a bug report on the issue? I did that once, reported the drone folders that arn't sorted properly on alphabetic order in-game Their respond was within 2 days and they marked it as "by design" If you leave a bug open long enough, so long that you won't call it a bug anymore but you'll call it "By Design" then redirect the bugreporter to the "Feature request forum" the irony.. You catch my drift? X
Sphynx Stormlord Gallente Anqara Tech	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:04:00 - [28] I suspect that they have a huge bug database full of bugs waiting to be fixed. Ie blaming the QA dept is probably not fair.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:05:00 - [29] its not bug its a lag ....
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Lazuran Independent from what exactly? Last time I checked, CCP had some investors on board. "Independent" is usually an euphemism for "small" in the gaming industry and since CCP call themselves "one of the worldÆs largest independent game developers" (see the Transgaming press release), I don't see what you are trying to use this as an excuse for. Independent doesn't mean "small". It essentially means that they are not owned by another company. Example, Blizzard is not independent because they are owned by Vivendi. Blizzard receives the money they need to develop games from Vivendi. Likewise, all of their profits go to Vivendi. CCP, on the other hand, is a privately traded corporation, and is not owned by another corporation. I would presume that this also means that they fund their own projects. Quote: The well-being of EVE on the MMO market is not the issue here and "doing fine" is certainly not what you could honestly say about the bugginess of EVE. But honestly, the bugginess of EVE apparently isn't that big of a deal to most of us. Afterall, most of us don't really complain about bugs. Quote: As is coming up with excuses such as "CCP is an independent developer" and "it's doing fine on the market" when the quality of the software is discussed. There's really not much to say about the whole thing other than that it's extremely disappointing to many of us players how bug-ridden EVE is. It could also do much better than "fine" on the market if they paid more attention to QA. The point about "CCP is an independent developer" is that they don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on a project (compare with WoW here. As such, they can't afford to spend as much money on QA. Their resources are much more limited. As a final note, let me just say that so long as we, the customers are willing to continue giving CCP our money, to them, their product is fine. The only time that CCP will not think that their product is fine is when they think they stand to lose money, or lose profit.



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