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Carniflex
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Posted - 2008.03.03 07:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Silver Night
I think that Quafe comparison is probably the most valid made so far, including my own. I think Quafe may compare better to an energy drink however, increasing slightly the USD/ISK. Also, it happens to be the only eve good ever actually produced in RL in any form :) They used to sell it on this site.
Well. If you take Quafe as base for evaluation 1 ISK value you should not take it's value at the bottom of gravity well. For correct evaluation you should add the cost to get the thing into geostationary orbit at least. Thats ofc very hard to evaluate as it is far future and propably should be a lot cheaper than it is currently (something like 5000 - 20 000 $ / kg approx, depending what you use currently).
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Carniflex
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Fallout Research
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Squidgey
Umm, no? Manufacturing costs would have been figured in by the company, and as I said, in a capitalist market they would have eventually stabilized at an affordable price for everyone, and given the nature of the item, and how immensely popular it is, it is safe to say that it is on par with current soft drinks, or like another poster said, energy drinks, it would skew my numbers a bit though, but only make isk worth a fraction more.
Well quafe is supposed to be luxury good as far as I understand. And ofc production in space enviroment is more expencive than doing it on planet surface (and raw materials for that have to be either shipped to orbit or produced in space). I am sure that on the surface they do have some varierity of quafe also, but it is most likely done from local raw materials not from same stuff that guys in space drink.
At the end of day I guess we just have to agree to disagree. By dev comments and general 'feeling' of EVE I have to conclude that isk is 'big money' while you seem to prefer standpoint that dipping waitress few thousand isk is nothing out of the oridinary.
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Carniflex
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Fallout Research
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Squidgey
What? how is my standpoint different from the big money idea when I said it was big money several times? Don't you think that as a pod pilot you would laugh at 1000 isk? And where does it say its a luxury good? According to the story about it its widly popular... with everyone.
I don't have link at hand but I think it was written somewhere ? Well I might be mistaken there ofc as I dont have the link for that claim. And if you also think that isk is big money then I just misunderstood you. I imagine that ultraritch people in current world might also give out extravagant tips from time to time. Pod pilots by definition have ecnomic power of small nations (I think it was stated in last fanfest during one of the video intervievs) and are something like demigods or rock stars for the 'regular folk'.
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Carniflex
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Fallout Research
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:41:00 -
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I do not think, that in the age of nanotechnology it would be correct to use present day soft drink prices as basis for price comparison in the first place. Better way in my opinion would be to find some raw material and deduce ISK value from there. For example many moon materials could be used for that. Platinum for example.
1 cubic meter of platinum, with mass of 21460 kg has base value of 16 ISK. That, if nothing else is quite convincing that ISK is indeed 'big money' and most likely a lot above estimated value of 50 eur per isk. It would get worse for some of the other materials (like Halfnium or Scandium), but I think it is safe to assume that with technology levels present in EVE cost of material extraction is relatively minor (unlike in modern day Earth) and only thing determining the material price is it's abundance in the EVE galaxy.
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Carniflex
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Posted - 2008.03.16 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: John Ahriman
Edited by: John Ahriman on 14/03/2008 14:47:24
Originally by: Carniflex
1 cubic meter of platinum, with mass of 21460 kg has base value of 16 ISK. That, if nothing else is quite convincing that ISK is indeed 'big money' and most likely a lot above estimated value of 50 eur per isk. It would get worse for some of the other materials (like Halfnium or Scandium), but I think it is safe to assume that with technology levels present in EVE cost of material extraction is relatively minor (unlike in modern day Earth) and only thing determining the material price is it's abundance in the EVE galaxy.
Remember that Platinum may be far more abundant in EVE than on Earth. Or it may not have gained as much value there as here for whatever reasons. Or it might be referring to Platinum ore.
Well there is plenty of other basic materials also available to construct 'basket of materials', altho I was more referring to the point that you can get 21 tons of material for 16 isk (material that is heavier than iron and thus is relatively uncommon compared to lighter matter regardless of it's actual value) and thus isk is indeed big money. As far as exact value of 1 isk goes I do not think that it is viable to determine it vs current earth currency. It's approx as informative as trying to figure out proper exchange cource of current dollar/euro vs furs used by stone age people using modern aircraft carrier, energy drinks and modern food basket as reference points (or arguing that bearskins are damn expencive nowdays).
It is age of nanotechnology, faster than light travel, flawlessly working human-machine neural interfaces and so on. A totally different ballpark.
As far as water price goes however I would speculate that that water you can see on the in game market is luxury good. Propably imported from planetside and labeled by specific springs it is harvested from. Not your regular everyday water reused every day and purified by nanobot recykling plants somewhere deep in space station.
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