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Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:01:00 - [1] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes What XIX did was, from a moral level, wrong. Straight up, quit your whining /btards and Dishonorable Members of the alliance XIX. As a community we must deem that was has been done by XIX was wrong, and because of this wrong doing, I know that I personally, will never in the future have any dealings with this alliance, at all, other than shooting them out of their space. I once had respect for this group of pvpers, but now they are nothing more then slime, and far from even what I would call Russian. The hysterical OP is from DMC. Up until this thread (a reminder for small-minded: a thread started by DMC) there wasn't a single post from X.I.X on this matter. The whinage, started by DMC, forced X.I.X to shed a light on our side of this story. As much light as our leaders deemed necessary. You, and "your community", may or may not chose to believe it; or apply your personal anonymous moral standard to a situation of which you are largely ignorant. However, you (and "your community") look less than credible when you twist the known (admitted) facts and then scream about morality and wrongness. Do keep your "respect" to yourself, you may need it to explain yourself to "your community". Oh, and you are welcome to come to the drone regions to shoot at us. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Mynas Wormtongue Originally by: Razin The whinage, started by DMC, forced X.I.X to shed a light on our side of this story. As much light as our leaders deemed necessary. I don't blame XIX for trying to keep this quiet and not wanting the rest of Eve to know that it employs and condones cheaters and liars. Too late for that, though. You must know a lot about keeping quiet, having to hide behind an alt on an anonymous forum dedicated to a computer game. Must have cheated and lied a lot. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes I have a simple response, a question as it were: Was what was done, by XIX right? A better question would have been "why was this done? it was surely known that the stink would be overwhelming?" However, I'm not here to quench your curiosity. Have your management contact my management. Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes Though DMC's response was unprofessional at best, they were ALMOST screwed. Why do business with some one that exploits game mechanics to get ahead? Now that's a good question, one that might lead you to some nonlinear conclusions. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Shimrod Wow the Reds exploiting game mechanics who would have ever thought... EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Zanarkand Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 Originally by: Shimrod Wow the Reds exploiting game mechanics who would have ever thought... EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting". The whole t20 thing was some unfair "exploit, exploit!" whine by goons/d2??? Are you somehow implying that a player using an admittedly obscure game mechanic is the same as a dev using dev tools to spawn valuable items for his alliance? ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:04:00 - [6] Originally by: BigWhale Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 14/01/2008 15:08:53 EVE is designed as a sandbox, a set of tools to use as players see fit. Many of those tools aren't even properly documented in any official capacity. It follows, that since gameplay is open by design, that there is nothing wrong with utilizing available game mechanics to the fullest extent. Unless you're a sheep making excuses for your favorite side. Then you call it "exploiting". You sir, have obviously never read the EULA. You should, you really should, then you will have enough knowledge to participate in debates like this. Simply said, get a clue mister! Did you have something to say on the subject, or are you just out to walk a bunch of alts? ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:53:00 - [7] Edited by: Razin on 15/01/2008 00:56:41 Originally by: Zorland How can one distinguish if one is just friend or REAL friend? Is one your REAL friend when he pays for protection, but then is friend only (not REAL) when he just made two titans you want so much? Quoting a loser who doesn't know the difference between 'just friends' and real friends. Sad. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Inosin Edited by: Inosin on 15/01/2008 01:44:33 Quote: Strong people survive, stupid people cry And this is an excuse for every low behavior?? Srry but there are red lines some people see them, some cant see them and some want not.... It's dangerous out there. Wars are fought. Fighting methods vary so much that it's not even clear when some wars start and when they end. And there sure ain't such a thing as a clean war. If you believe otherwise you're a tool. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:50:00 - [9] It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin It is revealing that most of the alts that post in this thread bitterly and self-righteously defending EVE-online rules of conduct set by CCP's GMs, are themselves only too happy to break (or circumvent) the rules of this forum (established by the same company) to be able to vent their fetid vitriol. This glaring double standard is the true measure of their credibility and intent. At least they are not exploiting in-game like xxxxxxxxlegionxxx How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. And how would YOU know? ... You must be stupid. Re-read this, the message you decided to reply to. If you still don't follow, ask your parents to explain it to you. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Razin How would you know? All of them your alts? Certainly, experience shows them to be quite willing to break the rules. Weak. Should have stuck to posting with an alt. And how would YOU know? ... You must be stupid. Re-read this, the message you decided to reply to. If you still don't follow, ask your parents to explain it to you. Instead, I suggest you read my message again since I don't think you quite understood my point. I understand you are trying to justify your wrong-doings by claiming to stand on the morale high ground, but really common belief is that you guys knew about this bug, and tried to exploit ità No, you do not. My post was a simple comment on motivations and integrity of most of the accusers in this and other threads, who happened to be alts. This has fnck all to do with morality or lawfulness (as, indeed, does the world of EVE). The other kind of accusers, those like yourself, are tools with no significant knowledge of any facts related to these events (except those you decide to take on faith based on your personal bias), nor any way to influence them, and are irrelevant. I do not feel the need, nor am I justifying my actions, and/or the actions of my alliance, to anyone here, regardless of classification. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Kaaii Edited by: Kaaii on 15/01/2008 18:27:08 Edited by: Kaaii on 15/01/2008 18:19:32 ...some BS about hygiene... Looks like you're pretty bitter. See my reply to your alliance mate. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:54:00 - [14] Originally by: nync I'm absolutely sure DMC have no GM or DEV connections. Originally by: ingame 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. Originally by: ingame GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping How cute! First Cruel Fox helps GM Ocelot, then GM Ocelot helps Cruel Fox. Only fair, right? ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Kvaell Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 16/01/2008 21:56:48 How cute! First Cruel Fox helps GM Ocelot, then GM Ocelot helps Cruel Fox (or is it the other way around?). Only fair, right? Did Cruel gave isk or titans or blueprints to a GM? I am confused by these accusation you give here. What excactly did Cruel Fox give for a temporarily invulnerable Punisher that could possible interest a GM? And has Ocelot given anything else you can prove? You're babbling. Things have been pretty clear from the beginning. This is simply another data point that supports initial conclusions. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:23:00 - [16] Originally by: BigWhale You sir need to post the whole conversation in here. Oh wait, you're not going to do that because it will discredit you. [ 2008.01.16 19:59:08 ] GM Ocelot > Hello, [ 2008.01.16 19:59:16 ] GM Ocelot > Please stop firing [ 2008.01.16 19:59:43 ] GM Ocelot > This pos is broken and we are working on fixing it [ 2008.01.16 19:59:52 ] Swecyborg > why ? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:11 ] Raginv0nslick > can we still shoot ships? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:18 ] Raginv0nslick > :P [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] Talon Karrad > we've had a lot of POS's and stuff broke lately [ 2008.01.16 20:00:21 ] GM Ocelot > NO! [ 2008.01.16 20:00:27 ] nync > 19:59:48 Notify You are unable to target Cruel Fox's Punisher as it has been made untargetable by a GM. [ 2008.01.16 20:00:28 ] nync > lol [ 2008.01.16 20:00:33 ] nync > any explanations? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:39 ] nync > or we just have to go away? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:45 ] nync > or stop playing? [ 2008.01.16 20:00:47 ] jacki3ya > ).) [ 2008.01.16 20:00:51 ] GM Ocelot > I said STOP SHOOTING! [ 2008.01.16 20:01:15 ] nync > STOP SHOOTING WHAT? [ 2008.01.16 20:01:25 ] GM Ocelot > STOP SHOOTING THE POS [ 2008.01.16 20:01:37 ] ByFadam > nync .. don¦t stop shooting .. if you do DMC might get the advantage [ 2008.01.16 20:01:40 ] Swecyborg > we are at war if our targets get imuniezed by ccp we wil petition that [ 2008.01.16 20:01:53 ] nync > just try to explain your self better [ 2008.01.16 20:02:40 ] ByFadam > perhaps he can if he is allowed to do his job instead of having to repeat "Stop shooting" :) [ 2008.01.16 20:02:59 ] Plutarch Simmons > He didn't use the proper Commie-Speak for these guys [ 2008.01.16 20:03:06 ] GM Ocelot > He is not targetable because He is helping us fix the pos as he needs to be present to solve the problem [ 2008.01.16 20:03:16 ] nync > rgr [ 2008.01.16 20:04:09 ] Uruz > we have another error in here to u can fix it call RA ithink [ 2008.01.16 20:04:24 ] EHbKA > GM ship in enemy fleet.... great CCP ... ( There is more smack talk from RA in between ) ... [ 2008.01.16 20:40:17 ] GM Ocelot > Hello again, The issue with pos has been fixed you now resume what you were doing. Have a nice day. Of course, there is a conspiracy as always, right? I personally don't see anything discrediting here. Not for RA, that is. A GM is working with a player character that has very recently been involved in a controversy caused by a GM's involvement in reimbursing this player's titan. If appearances do not matter to this GM, what's to say he cares about any other subtlety that is intrinsic to the type of work he is supposed to be performing? Is this incompetence or stupidity? Judging by how well these two have hit it off, it's both. ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Razin Please do post GM conversations on the forums - Mitnal I will certainly try not to make the same mistake again. However, I would like to point out that sensoring is pointless with all the eve-online forum posts being cached on eve-search.com. Anyone who want's to see the sensored information can just go there. ...

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