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Ciena Centrifuge	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:07:00 - [1] I was looking through the character/timecode section seeing what kind of characters are for sale and noticed lots of people selling 9x 90 day codes, 20 x 30 day codes etc.... These guys are spending well over 300 bucks a pop to buy isk from CCP. Why does CCP find it a crime to buy isk from some internet site that's not labeled ccp but turn around and sell it theirselves? Greed maybe. Anyone else find the selling of GTC's disapointing?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:10:00 - [2] Edited by: MotherMoon on 14/01/2008 05:22:20 Edited by: MotherMoon on 14/01/2008 05:15:03 isk selling happens no matter what in anything unless eve was real and not on a computer. I can go up to my friend in school and tell him that if he buys me lunch I'll give him 30 mil you can stop me no one can stop me. It's lame yes but, the issue of people getting ahead with real life cash and the issue of Isk sellers are two different things. With isk sellers you get three issues A.People can buy in game money with real life money and get an advantage using out of game income. B.Isk sellers infuse the economy with isk that wouldn't exist if there was no demand C.People that didn't make eve make money off someone elses proterity and no oe can stop it. With GCT you get 1 issue A.People can buy in game money with real life money and get an advantage using out of game income. pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:25:00 - [3] CCP sells timecode to player who in turn sells it ingame for isk = $$$ in CCPs bank account. Isk seller sells isk to player = $$$ in the isk sellers bank account. Does it really need any further explanation? Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Ralek Talen Gallente Dark Industries	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:34:00 - [4] Also some people have more real life money then time, time to play a game that is and making isk in EVE takes time. ------------------------------------- Just your regular EVE forum addiction *****.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:37:00 - [5] Originally by: MotherMoon B.Isk sellers infuse the economy with isk that wouldn't exist if there was no demand The importance of this point cannot be overstated. The GTC trade does not increase the amount of ISK injected into the economy, since it's between normal players. Farmers, despite making a up a small percentage of total accounts, are actually responsible for the majority of inflationary pressure in the EVE economy. Why, you ask? Let's assume that the average player spends 3 hours a day performing activities that generate ISK, primarily Mission Running or Ratting. ISK farmers do this 23/7, so each ISK Farmer injects eight times as much ISK into the economy as a normal player. This means that even if 5% of EVE accounts are ISK farmers, they are responsible for over 40% of EVE's inflationary pressure. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:46:00 - [6] True enough but when was the last time you opened the market and couldn't afford what you wanted to buy. In lots even. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.01.14 05:54:00 - [7] ISK Sellers: A outside entity that attempts to make RL money by abusing what others have created. Parasites comes to mind. All transactions with ISK sellers is outside the game and outside the EvE community. GTC Sellers: People with more RL money than time to play use RL money to allow them to play the game at a level that would them require to spend more time playing actively otherwise. GTC Buyers: People with more time to play the game than they have RL money spend active playing time to earn ISK so that they can play the game which they could otherwise not afford to play. Anyone who cannot grasp the difference between ISK sellers and GTC transactions should stop voicing their shallow opinions and exercise their right to STFU.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:01:00 - [8] isk creation causes deflation. because there is more isk less stuff means everything cost less right? I'm confused I think :P pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:39:00 - [9] Originally by: MotherMoon isk creation causes deflation. because there is more isk less stuff means everything cost less right? I'm confused I think :P Definately confused. ISK Creation = More total ISK in the economy, i.e. inflation. This means that the cost of items increases, and each individual unit of ISK buys you less. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon isk creation causes deflation. because there is more isk less stuff means everything cost less right? I'm confused I think :P Definately confused. ISK Creation = More total ISK in the economy, i.e. inflation. This means that the cost of items increases, and each individual unit of ISK buys you less. duh the old woodcutting thing. pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:53:00 - [11] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon isk creation causes deflation. because there is more isk less stuff means everything cost less right? I'm confused I think :P Definately confused. ISK Creation = More total ISK in the economy, i.e. inflation. This means that the cost of items increases, and each individual unit of ISK buys you less. duh the old woodcutting thing. Now I'm confused. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon isk creation causes deflation. because there is more isk less stuff means everything cost less right? I'm confused I think :P Definately confused. ISK Creation = More total ISK in the economy, i.e. inflation. This means that the cost of items increases, and each individual unit of ISK buys you less. duh the old woodcutting thing. Now I'm confused. man cuts down trees and sells to a place that processes it for 5$ a tree process plant sells to a home builder for twice the amount so they can make some money. house builder builds house and sells for 20$ man that cuts wood needs to up his price so he can afford house. and so on. and then add in stuff like robots take over wood cutters job robots take over wood processing job. yes slowly the real world is turning to macros. lol. pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.14 07:01:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon man cuts down trees and sells to a place that processes it for 5$ a tree process plant sells to a home builder for twice the amount so they can make some money. house builder builds house and sells for 20$ man that cuts wood needs to up his price so he can afford house. and so on. and then add in stuff like robots take over wood cutters job robots take over wood processing job. yes slowly the real world is turning to macros. lol. Go to bed. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.14 07:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon man cuts down trees and sells to a place that processes it for 5$ a tree process plant sells to a home builder for twice the amount so they can make some money. house builder builds house and sells for 20$ man that cuts wood needs to up his price so he can afford house. and so on. and then add in stuff like robots take over wood cutters job robots take over wood processing job. yes slowly the real world is turning to macros. lol. Go to bed. heh. I think I would have prefered to stay confused. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Jeremy Paxman Special Doc	Posted - 2008.01.14 07:07:00 - [15] WTB wood -------------------- "this", quoth he, and lo, he was down.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.14 07:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Jeremy Paxman WTB wood ok yeah time to go to bed. pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:00:00 - [17] There is no inflation in EVE according to the good doctor. ---
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:02:00 - [18] If I couldn't buy GTCs with ISK my accounts would not be active. ^^^--- this is pretty much gonna be why CCP doesn't get rid of it.
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Leora Nomen on 14/01/2008 08:39:57 There are a lot of things in EVE that aren't fair and can't really be fixed to be made fair. The GTC sales are a lesser evil solution to the whole RMT thing in EVE. CCP gets more accounts active, some players get to play for free, and the guy who would buy ISK anyhow does so in approved way and has his peace of mind that the faction fitted navy raven he basically bought with real money isn't going do disappear tomorrow from his hangar. And in the end if a GTC seller loses his ISK it still hurts him, just in real life because he has to buy GTCs again. Originally by: Big Al If I couldn't buy GTCs with ISK my accounts would not be active. ^^^--- this is pretty much gonna be why CCP doesn't get rid of it. nice sig guide to game time codes
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Ciena Centrifuge Why does CCP find it a crime to buy isk from some internet site that's not labeled ccp but turn around and sell it theirselves? Where are you from? Cuba?

McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:47:00 - [21] Edited by: McDonALTs on 14/01/2008 08:48:28 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon isk creation causes deflation. because there is more isk less stuff means everything cost less right? I'm confused I think :P Definately confused. ISK Creation = More total ISK in the economy, i.e. inflation. This means that the cost of items increases, and each individual unit of ISK buys you less. duh the old woodcutting thing. Now I'm confused. man cuts down trees and sells to a place that processes it for 5$ a tree process plant sells to a home builder for twice the amount so they can make some money. house builder builds house and sells for 20$ man that cuts wood needs to up his price so he can afford house. and so on. and then add in stuff like robots take over wood cutters job robots take over wood processing job. yes slowly the real world is turning to macros. lol. Man is not getting his $5 tree back. he is getting a $20 house. Insted of 4 men making $5 tree each, you have different men doing different jobs and thus need to be compensated. Infltion in Real life is due to intrest forcing new money to be created via loans. There is no intrest in eve, so the economy can never bankrupt itself. Insurance means prices will never be over the moon for some items. Recycling shuttles if trit hits over 3.2isk/unit = free profit, and the same is true with other items. So prices are fixed in eve within boundrys
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Abrazzar ISK Sellers: A outside entity that attempts to make RL money by abusing what others have created. Parasites comes to mind. All transactions with ISK sellers is outside the game and outside the EvE community. GTC Sellers: People with more RL money than time to play use RL money to allow them to play the game at a level that would them require to spend more time playing actively otherwise. GTC Buyers: People with more time to play the game than they have RL money spend active playing time to earn ISK so that they can play the game which they could otherwise not afford to play. Anyone who cannot grasp the difference between ISK sellers and GTC transactions should stop voicing their shallow opinions and exercise their right to STFU. Another idiot who resorts to being rude when he finds that he cannot argue logically. There is no difference between ISK sellers and GTC buyers, both spend a lot of time to play the game and earn the ISK ingame. The only difference between legal and illegal ISK buyers is that the former pay more for ISK to avoid the risk that the latter have. Pretty much all ISK sellers are also GTC buyers by the way. They only farm even more than they'd need to pay for their game time in order to feed their kids or whatever. Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:13:00 - [23] Edited by: Cruthensis on 14/01/2008 10:13:02 There is indeed a big difference: The pool of ISK available for sale to GTC sellers will always be limited as the people gathering the ISK are actually playing the game for pleasure not profit. There are only so many GTCs a committed player would want or be able to purchase with their ISK. The pool of ISK available through ISK sellers is almost without practical limit. If demand increases, their ISK farming increases to fill the orders. The ISK generated in this way is not ISK that would be 'in the economy anyway'. It is being generated explicitly for the purpose of RMT and in response to 'players' who place buy orders for ISK. Every time someone places an order to buy ISK, they are implicitly saying "Oh and please screw up the Eve economy a bit more". Stop doing it. 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:19:00 - [24] Originally by: McDonALTs Recycling shuttles if trit hits over 3.2isk/unit = free profit, and the same is true with other items. So prices are fixed in eve within boundrys I was under the idea that our CCP economist was trying to REMOVE those boundries. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.14 10:50:00 - [25] A quick look around the various isk seller websites indicates that their prices have risen in line with gtc sellers prices. This is why gtc sales are allowed, last year $5 would buy you billions, now people are boasting at selling 100M for $5.95 This indicates the policy is working. If the same amount of rl money is being spent on isk then there is a small fraction as much bought isk in the game. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Torlin Valric Minmatar Soliders Of Eve The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.14 11:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Ciena Centrifuge Anyone else find the selling of GTC's disapointing? No. I would have stopped playing a long time ago if buying gtc for isk wasn't possible. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 12:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Adonis 4174 A quick look around the various isk seller websites indicates that their prices have risen in line with gtc sellers prices. This is why gtc sales are allowed, last year $5 would buy you billions, now people are boasting at selling 100M for $5.95 Absolute rubbish...so typical of this forum now.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.14 12:26:00 - [28] GTC/ISK trades are merely an exchange of ISK from one player to another. No extra ISK is injected into the economy, and indeed, the only monetary difference is that one person pays for part of another person's subscription. Farmers don't play the game; they work it. They make as much ISK as possible by any means necessary and available to them, 23/7, on multiple computers in sweatshops (or wherever), with the sole intent of selling every bit of ISK earned for IRL money, without paying any of that IRL money to CCP. GTC trades are 90% harmless. ISK sellers and buyers are 90% harmful.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.14 12:33:00 - [29] Edited by: Estephania on 14/01/2008 12:34:26 Ppl will buy advantage in game by their RL cash no matter what you do. From the outsiders' point of view, there's no difference at all between GTCs and ISK sellers, both allow ppl to get in-game currency with out of game means. CCP simply cashes in with the GTCs and some sweatshop owners are cashing in on illegal ISK selling.
XY55XTY Amarr The Fizzy Drink Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 12:43:00 - [30] Yet another GTC for Isk thread! Run for the hills!!!!!



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