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darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space we have never to this day lost SOV in any space we have held. so urmm. d solo.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:58:00 - [92] Originally by: SATAN Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space. this guy gets it... eve is a big nap fest, fight one alliance and 10 come to help. a trully *** game where very few even try to stand alone and prove themselves. cant do it urself dont even try. d solo.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! d solo.
Sha4d13	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:03:00 - [94] Correct... UNL sucked at pvp- my old corp used to see them off single handed in Immensea. But then they got help from TCF and others in huge numbers to take the space. Now they hold the area and are so far from the front lines, they are nice and cosy and safe. Attack them- you will get TCF, FTZ, RA etc defending. Pointless. Such a shame- though I can heartily reccomend a trip down there for anyone who enjoys ganking isk farmers in belts...
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:38:00 - [95] Edited by: Reacz on 15/01/2008 12:39:49 Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space Indeed, a Coalition of 3/4 alliances and Tri all ganging up on poor old Insurgency. Yeah we suck... TBH We're flattered, they must either a) Really hate us or b) Really fear us. Either way, they are going down.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:04:00 - [96] Edited by: Exlegion on 15/01/2008 13:05:43 Originally by: Omega Man Very useful. So from the safety of your desk, you have identified alliances that hold space but you deem should not. What you now going to do about it? Write another memo and they will leave? It is one of those things, if they are holding space it is because they can. When they fail to hold space it is because they cannot. No amount of telling them they should not be holding it will make them wake up and say "you know that alt poster shuffling bits of a paper about is right, we better leave." There are many things which allow an entity to hold space, not all based on actually having to fight for it. Well said, my man. I suspect the OP is trying to get the North to turn on itself, specifically, MM and Pure on Hydra. Perhaps his main's alliance is looking for easy space to take over. But what good would it do any alliance to replace a stable neighbor with a treacherous alliance willing to work out secret backstabbing deals with its neighbors? Anyway, interested in Hydra space? Shut up and come get it already. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Angor The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Star Nove GF guys! The best moment for me was when SATAN yells in Local "WILL YOU JUST DIE" I was trying to type "WILL YOU JUST RUN OUT OF AMMO"? but my hands were shaking so much I couldn't get the words out.. :-) Your carrier took 2.5mil damage. We thought it would never die :) _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:21:00 - [98] Theres more to holding space then KB stats. If you was actually in a real corp/alliance instead of "troll bots r us" youd have a clue :) But to answer the underlying question, the only entity who doesnt deserve to hold space is Concord. OK? Thundercats 4 Life
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:24:00 - [99] ushra khan deserved to hold space and now doesn't :( Sylph didn't deserve to hold space but it does :(
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:39:00 - [100] Edited by: welsh wizard on 15/01/2008 13:39:03 Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space WETRAIN o/ --------------- you all smell!

Patso Tappaja Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:45:00 - [101] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Thargat Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space... These days full out pvpers only hold space to grind carebear spawns. This Sig doesnt lack eve-online material THIS time.
touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:08:00 - [102] Hydra have a nice group of friends to help them, not everyone are experienced pvper's with the isk to be able to fit out ships to the best everytime. Especially the likes of Hydra who may not be the next BoB with regards to pvp at least they undock and lose their ships. It's not all about winning, I value the fun and good experiences over grabbing killmails. My shed load of losses will say that. Pretty simple though, Hydra's space is crap, noone really want's it so they don't get challenges, however if they did they have a very strong group of friends who would help them. They are not great at pvp but it's quite clear to see they are working on it and striving to improve. On the subject of them losing 4 carriers. We lost 1 carrier and 4 dreads last week too (and could have been a hell of a lot more) so we suck more than Hydra tbh. ---------- dot the dot then dot the dot then all you have done is dotted two dots. Amazing no?
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:09:00 - [103] Originally by: Swamp Ziro ushra khan deserved to hold space and now doesn't :( Sylph didn't deserve to hold space but it does :( Facts please, I've seen nothing that supports that. Simply the fact that things are as they are now indicate we did something right and UK did something wrong. Now whether you as an individual would have rather seen UK in our space then us has nothing to do with us being deserving or not. We have repelled several invasions in our space and went toe to toe with some of the best PVP corps/alliances and came out on top. Thats all I will say about it. (for my own safety before alliance diplos spot me here and put me against the wall...)
Felysta Sandorn Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:12:00 - [104] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! d solo. Love you, Darth! Latest Video, Click Here!
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:14:00 - [105] Killboard statistics are useless as a pvp skill/ readiness indicator. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:14:00 - [106] I like Hydra...and if someone thinks they don't deserve their space, then take it away from them...pretty simple... I for one really appreciate the P3 respawn rate though...truly impressive!
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:27:00 - [107] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Facts please, I've seen nothing that supports that. Simply the fact that things are as they are now indicate we did something right and UK did something wrong. Now whether you as an individual would have rather seen UK in our space then us has nothing to do with us being deserving or not. We have repelled several invasions in our space and went toe to toe with some of the best PVP corps/alliances and came out on top. Thats all I will say about it. (for my own safety before alliance diplos spot me here and put me against the wall...) Sylph and hydra are very much alike in thier style and how they hold space (because of others) but then you can say that about pretty much every 0.0 holding alliance. I have no idea who these best pvp corps alliances that you went toe to toe with and came out on top or who you seem to think invaded your space and you repeled cos every battle report ive ever seen about hydra says the same, you got owned. You even called in pure and mm to deal with TI who had at most a 15 man gang ffs.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:35:00 - [108] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: SATAN Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space. this guy gets it... eve is a big nap fest, fight one alliance and 10 come to help. a trully * game where very few even try to stand alone and prove themselves. cant do it urself dont even try. d solo. Wow i agree with darth. That is pretty **** up. snip Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem
Solasta Kovacs Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:38:00 - [109] Originally by: Wesley Baird I like Hydra...and if someone thinks they don't deserve their space, then take it away from them...pretty simple... Let's be fair- if a potential invader was guaranteed not to be blobbed by MM, Pure, Razor et al the moment they brought a cap fleet to Hydra space, Hydra would have been attacked long ago. However- that is not how Eve works these days. 0-0 is controlled by about 3 huge naps. It is almost impossible to break into that space without joining one of those naps. Credit to Tri incidentally for having achieved that.
Ju Ming Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:04:00 - [110] Solasta Kovacs Yea but its also not pure black & white naps either, you dont have many Alliances that share the same exact Blue standings even if they are allied. I think though that many are just hoping that at the end of the War with BoB that the universe can get let naps and more red. Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email [email protected] ~Saint

Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:05:00 - [111] Originally by: Khanid Kutie you mean to say that when an alliance loses 4 carriers in one day You can easily lose four carriers in a single engagement if things get messy. What you're saying has no point. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:42:00 - [112] Originally by: Solasta Kovacs Let's be fair- if a potential invader was guaranteed not to be blobbed by MM, Pure, Razor et al the moment they brought a cap fleet to Hydra space, Hydra would have been attacked long ago. However- that is not how Eve works these days. 0-0 is controlled by about 3 huge naps. It is almost impossible to break into that space without joining one of those naps. Credit to Tri incidentally for having achieved that. It's been said already many times. Holding space isn't just about PVP. Hydra has built political relationships, especially with its neighbors. There's a political element to it that some in this thread don't seem to get. This thread seems to be about "everything else aside but PVP, they don't deserve space". Now if you still disagree that Hydra shouldn't be holding space then come get it. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:48:00 - [113] Originally by: Droewa FIX had nearly a 70% efficiency an still lost it's space. when did fix start posting all their losses?
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:26:00 - [114] Originally by: marakor Originally by: 128th ABC123 Facts please, I've seen nothing that supports that. Simply the fact that things are as they are now indicate we did something right and UK did something wrong. Now whether you as an individual would have rather seen UK in our space then us has nothing to do with us being deserving or not. We have repelled several invasions in our space and went toe to toe with some of the best PVP corps/alliances and came out on top. Thats all I will say about it. (for my own safety before alliance diplos spot me here and put me against the wall...) Sylph and hydra are very much alike in thier style and how they hold space (because of others) but then you can say that about pretty much every 0.0 holding alliance. I have no idea who these best pvp corps alliances that you went toe to toe with and came out on top or who you seem to think invaded your space and you repeled cos every battle report ive ever seen about hydra says the same, you got owned. You even called in pure and mm to deal with TI who had at most a 15 man gang ffs. Agreed, and we have seen MM's cap ships dropped on us on a few occasions, not to mention massive Pure gangs etc, so what?! If someone wants the space, grind it out...from past experience many alliances don't seem to have the stomach for a massive grind...no to mention allies are only quick to drop their caps when they believe they have a clear advantage. If you can put up similar numbers in a system, will Hydra allies be willing to risk their cap fleets?? Lag goes wrong just once, or a surprise showing by a hostile cap fleet such as Outbreak/MC/Tri/-A- to get a huge number of cap kills will forever make them think twice about dropping their caps...taking peoples space is hard, and it should be hard IMHO.
Disasemble Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:47:00 - [115] Originally by: Hrin Originally by: DaiTengu Please let us talk about goonswarm, pleaasse! Yeah, look at me.. no, over here! Look I'm dancing, please make this thread about us! Anybody in the south east looks dodgy, didnt really have to fight for the space... just shot some undefended poses and dropped some new ones. jm2c
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:53:00 - [116] I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp - Should lose their space immediately, if they have none, then they should get some as soon as possible, then lose it immediately after that. Bye! Wherever you go... There you are...
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 19:45:00 - [117] Originally by: Attak Well, let's start with HYDRA. They don't deserve it because they could be killed easily by SMASH/RK. But SMASH don't deserve their space because they could be killed by MM. But then MM doesn't deserve their space because TRI could kill them. TRI doesn't deserve their space either because BoB could kill them. And BoB doesn't deserve their space because Goons can kill them. Goons, of course, are total nublets and have a terrible k/d ratio so don't deserve to even be in lowsec. Beats me tbh. How do you deserve space in this game? is this a tri pet alliance member stating that someone else doesnt deserve space? roflmao
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:03:00 - [118] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Droewa FIX had nearly a 70% efficiency an still lost it's space. when did fix start posting all their losses? this is why a nice system where corps could just import an API key into the KB would be the awsome. i post my deaths but i must admit i hate posting kill mails n loss mails, it's a pian in the but for very lasy people like me.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:04:00 - [119] Edited by: Exlegion on 15/01/2008 20:11:43 Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Attak Well, let's start with HYDRA. They don't deserve it because they could be killed easily by SMASH/RK. But SMASH don't deserve their space because they could be killed by MM. But then MM doesn't deserve their space because TRI could kill them. TRI doesn't deserve their space either because BoB could kill them. And BoB doesn't deserve their space because Goons can kill them. Goons, of course, are total nublets and have a terrible k/d ratio so don't deserve to even be in lowsec. Beats me tbh. How do you deserve space in this game? is this a tri pet alliance member stating that someone else doesnt deserve space? roflmao The more important questions I think are who's alt are you and what are your true intentions with this thread. Forgive me for saying this but it almost sounds as if you're whining your alliance deserves space. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:49:00 - [120] TBH a bad eff on the KB doesnt always say they are the worst people out there. There are other people who never get involved in figths and only do ganks witch have a better eff. But that doesn't say they will do better while they get sieged.



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