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Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:00:00 - [1] I've been spending my morning today looking at various alliance Killboards and wondering why some of these alliance holding space are STILL holding space. Most noticeably is Hydra Alliance. 44% Killboard efficiency, and no ones decided to threaten their sov? Also United Legion has pretty crappy KB efficiency. Who do you guys think is the least worthy to hold 0.0 space? (minus bob and goons, we all know how the majority feel about them).
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Xthril Ranger on 14/01/2008 19:02:57 BoB? edit: oh , did not read whole post. never mind me then . you'll never jump alone
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:02:00 - [3] Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Thargat Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space...
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Thargat Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) you mean to say that when an alliance loses 4 carriers in one day, they know what their doing to hold sov? Only thing they really know is how to POS spam systems from those kind of stats. I say no ones taken these alliances' space because its just too crappy to realy fight over...
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:05:00 - [6] Edited by: marakor on 14/01/2008 19:05:46 HYDRA are pure and MM pets so although they get owned at pvp they have help at space holding. Killboards are for pvpers terratory is for blobbers.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:05:00 - [7] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Thargat Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space... QFT...yea i think you're on to something
matoni Open Season	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:07:00 - [8] Whatever Hydra is doing, in ****ing you off they're at least doing something right.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:08:00 - [9] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Thargat Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space... You're being two-dimentional. There's all kinds of PVP out there. Some of it loses space. ...
FuQue	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:11:00 - [10] Using KB stats to diagnose efficiency is like putting screen-doors on a submarine to improve airflow.

Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:13:00 - [11] Both of those alliances are backed up by bigger, nastier mother******* who stand behind their pets looking scary whenever any attackers turn up.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:14:00 - [12] Originally by: FuQue Using KB stats to diagnose efficiency is like putting screen-doors on a submarine to improve airflow. And recruiting to gain space by spamming fleets into systems for long nights of frozen screens and crashing nodes is as much PVP as mining veld in a 1.0 system.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:14:00 - [13] Originally by: matoni Whatever Hydra is doing, in **ing you off they're at least doing something right. not rly ing me off tbh....just an observation as to alliances who suck at pvp and why theyre allowed to hold space. And who you all think doesnt deserve to own space based on such poor efficiency. DeSTiNy. also has pathetic numbers on their boards. And we all know Tri kicked PL out of Deklein for being a ty pvp alliance, why havent they taken the extra step and kicked destiny out of upper dek? It's not so much about HYDRA, although theyve probably got the worst 0.0 alliance KB stats, but more a question as to why alliances who cant defend themselves properly havent been threatened with a loss of space. Also wana know who YOU all think doesnt deserve to hold 0.0 space based on their limited pvp capabilities. Get past the "hydra is **ing you off" stuff, silly, and read my whole OP, and maybe youll be able to form a reasonable answer ;)
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:19:00 - [14] Spaceholding alliances that are weak alone are actually pretty common. All they need is a strong patron or significant NAP collection to keep them afloat.
Mohadir Elrutra Minmatar Veritas Amplus et Talio	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:21:00 - [15] Insurgency suck at defending there space
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:24:00 - [16] Edited by: marakor on 14/01/2008 19:27:04 In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of these alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:27:00 - [17] Originally by: marakor And recruiting to gain space by spamming fleets into systems for long nights of frozen screens and crashing nodes is as much PVP as mining veld in a 1.0 system. depends. seems like half the time i try to mine veld there is someone trying to flip my can. sucks having a command ship alt aligned nearby but definitely yields pvp. I <3 empire.. usually.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:31:00 - [18] Originally by: marakor In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse. i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board)
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:38:00 - [19] Judging by Goonfleet's KB, they have absolutely no right to hold space either. All they do is fly t1 frigs, there's no way t1 frigs could stand up against the might of The Alliance.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:38:00 - [20] Also My K:D Ratio Backbone!

Tinka Toy	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:40:00 - [21] Hydra is ripe for the picking for a lot of reasons. You'll have to approach Pure/MM on the diplomatic side and get approval first though. For the right price they might turn a blind eye, and claim they're too busy in the South to bother defending Hydra. Hydra itself isn't capable of doing squat, and they're losing PvP corps left and right as it is.
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:45:00 - [22] Originally by: DaiTengu Also My K:D Ratio Backbone! Seriously, our K/D ratio is horrible, how do people lose to us? We deserve a drone region with this kind of K/D.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Hrin Originally by: DaiTengu Also My K:D Ratio Backbone! Seriously, our K/D ratio is horrible, how do people lose to us? We deserve a drone region with this kind of K/D. We should just go back to Syndicate imo tbqh.
Mark Lucius The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Khanid Kutie I've been spending my morning today looking at various alliance Killboards and wondering why some of these alliance holding space are STILL holding space. Most noticeably is Hydra Alliance. 44% Killboard efficiency, and no ones decided to threaten their sov? Also United Legion has pretty crappy KB efficiency. Who do you guys think is the least worthy to hold 0.0 space? (minus bob and goons, we all know how the majority feel about them). ---
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:51:00 - [25] How about Mr. Alt go and take their space then with his main? "Bring back the pain."
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin How about Mr. Alt go and take their space then with his main? too many ****ty alliances for me to take by myself.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Tobias Sjodin How about Mr. Alt go and take their space then with his main? too many ****ty alliances for me to take by myself. Replying to excuse post. "Bring back the pain."
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Vasili Z You'll find all the actual pvpers who play just to pvp don't care about POS or sov Correct.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:04:00 - [29] Quote: too many **ty alliances for me to take by myself. I think my irony meter just broke, feel ten stories into the street and got run over by a steamroller. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot**
FeeLtheSWARTZ Prophets Of a Damned Universe Elemental Fury	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:04:00 - [30] /votes DESTINY. isk farmers even quit this alliance. They are horrible in every aspect, not just pvp.

Togakure Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:08:00 - [31] This thread reads more like "Who is posting but shouldn't" If OP doesn't like Hydra, go remove them yourself. Otherwise, STFU.
FeeLtheSWARTZ Prophets Of a Damned Universe Elemental Fury	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:11:00 - [32] Originally by: 5n4keyes Tho feel free to drop by any time u want and pew pew Ill take a trip up there sometime soon to say hi
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: marakor In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse. i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board) The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: marakor In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse. i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board) The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol Bud by the time we left hydra space they wished they had 44% efficiency.
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:33:00 - [35] Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. .
Andnowthenews Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps.
General StarScream Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:48:00 - [37] Ye lol killbord stats dont mean ****. some people are to rich to care about losing a ship vs some fun, its quite fun to die as well. and the thrill of winning vs big ods are quite fun Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:50:00 - [38] DMC is teh suxxor No caps, no ships, no isk. Just Drone NPC'ers shooting reds who goes by. Heard they dropped T1 alloys instead of modules. Like plush "rusted" compounds is ever going to outdamage lasers Down with them drone dwellers I say.
Seth'Al Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:53:00 - [39] Hey Hey Hey now.. Drone Region used to be great before the drone nerf! shooting ppl while ratting FTW! =p
Phisix Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:56:00 - [40] Edited by: Phisix on 14/01/2008 20:56:08 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: marakor In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse. i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board) like yourself. The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol Bud by the time we left hydra space they wished they had 44% efficiency. Look at this guy riding on burn edens coat tails. The JORG corp is a joke, much

Ju Ming Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:01:00 - [41] Khanid Kutie Thinking your not living in 0.0 which is cool so not going to flame you. Okay, it is not really about KB ratios but rather are you willing to die and enage others for your space when it has sov threatened. Also, can you afford to replace your loses or are you losing so much in assets you need to retreat before you go broke. For Alliances like United Legion, they hold their space and contribute to the Red Swarm Federation - RA , Goons & TCF. I think of United Legion as key part of RSF even though they lack a letter :) As for Hyrda, this was answered by their allies in this thread, if they contribute and pull their weight and are holding SOV then I guess they must be doing something right. Also you need to know that a number of strong alliances have smaller Alliances / Corps in their space that on their own could not hold space in 0.0. But that could probably also be said even for strong Alliances if they did not have Allies. FYI: Examples of a strong small Alliance holding SOV would be Stain Empire. Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email [email protected] ~Saint
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:07:00 - [42] Hey i know your main lol Well some of us nerds are fighting daily to get this killboard accurate. our stats suck? yeah. but they're real(btw i honestly send 50M isk to someone who walktrhough me through any API-killboard posting software that i can check the code for. we still have many kills/losses that arent there) We'll succeed, or die trying. either way we'll have fun. we got personal teachers, with individual alliance/alliance lessons, that's Triumvirate. lately we had also MDK, a bit of KIA, and Burn Eden/Jorg. those teachers even did extra time to teach us that yeah we needed to be a bit less careless on the assaults :p previous big loss was Red Alliance(in the DMC thingie last month, 2x titans on my face argh!), previous big one was Triumvirate again when they first took out this 123244 dread fleets on our ass. we die a lot, but we learn from the best. We lost a lot of extra fat already, and its getting better. You do not imagine the state of the alliance a year ago. And you know? some of us enjoy those "non too established" groups where you really feel you can bring something for improvement those 4 caps losses wont be the last of our mistakes, for sure, but personally im damn proud to see all the progress that was made. Would i want a 33444 mothership fleet? yeah damn right of course. Am i frustrated to see stupid losses? of course! im half of them btw :D Am i having fun? yeah. im not peon #23459, and noone is. im not thinking omg we can lose everything. Every single bit is an improvement. Name 10 alliances who can say that. Boredom is for sure something you never find in Hydra. i sometimes wish :D ------ Tides of Silence
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps. I dunno man take a look at this: Battleclinic top losses by alliance: GoonSwarm 91,166 Firmus Ixion 41,751 Ascendant Frontier 40,484 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347 Lotka Volterra 32,339 Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266 Red Alliance 28,203 Band of Brothers 26,471 We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve. .
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:11:00 - [44] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 14/01/2008 21:15:14 Originally by: Phisix Look at me im an idiot who thinks i know who the FC's are in terra incognita and because ive actualy heard of BE il make a wild guess about other member corps in the alliance and how they devide their membership Fixed it for ya bud. Before you make another stupid comment on things you know nothing about i suggest you find out a lot more about TJORG and dofa for that matter.
Star Nove Minmatar Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:12:00 - [45] GF guys! The best moment for me was when SATAN yells in Local "WILL YOU JUST DIE" I was trying to type "WILL YOU JUST RUN OUT OF AMMO"? but my hands were shaking so much I couldn't get the words out.. :-) -- The views expressed in this post are mine and in no way reflect the views of my Corp, my Alliance or my pet Iquana, Julio Ignacio DoubleGlazias.
Andnowthenews Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Lsf XXi Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps. I dunno man take a look at this: Battleclinic top losses by alliance: GoonSwarm 91,166 Firmus Ixion 41,751 Ascendant Frontier 40,484 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347 Lotka Volterra 32,339 Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266 Red Alliance 28,203 Band of Brothers 26,471 We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve. Buddy all that does is confirm the fact that PVP has nothing to do with taking or holding space its about having the numbers to blob spam.
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:29:00 - [47] Originally by: DaiTengu Judging by Goonfleet's KB, they have absolutely no right to hold space either. All they do is fly t1 frigs, there's no way t1 frigs could stand up against the might of The Alliance. Some facts about Goonswarm's K : D ratio -91k losses. -More losses than any other alliance other than unknown and unallied people. -More losses than ASCN and FIX combined. Also about Goonfleet corp -60k losses -more losses than any other corp except state war academy and republic military school
Guns nButter The Nietzian Way Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:29:00 - [48] Edited by: Guns nButter on 14/01/2008 21:30:12 i mean, our efficiency was at 80% for like 2 months. we sure can't hold our own space with a cap fleet thats smaller than most noob corps. but i bet we can out-mine those macro-miners any day >.> we're all carebears, serously.
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 14/01/2008 21:17:31 Edited by: Andnowthenews on 14/01/2008 21:17:05 Originally by: Lsf XXi Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps. I dunno man take a look at this: Battleclinic top losses by alliance: GoonSwarm 91,166 Firmus Ixion 41,751 Ascendant Frontier 40,484 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347 Lotka Volterra 32,339 Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266 Red Alliance 28,203 Band of Brothers 26,471 We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve. Buddy all that does is confirm the fact that PVP has nothing to do with taking or holding space its about having the numbers to blob spam. K/D matters to pvpers but to space holders and takers it would be the end to GS and those like you who just spam skilless fleet after fleet at enemies to gain a bit of ground. look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either
Andnowthenews Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Swamp Ziro GoonSwarm 91,166 Band of Brothers 26,471 look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either Congratulation you have not managed to achieve what bob did and it has cost you 3 times the losses while you have triple the numbers. Im glad im not as important as you are i realy realy realy am.

Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Swamp Ziro GoonSwarm 91,166 Band of Brothers 26,471 look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either Congratulation you have not managed to achieve what bob did and it has cost you 3 times the losses while you have triple the numbers. Im glad im not as important as you are i realy realy realy am. I'm achieving something right now if you know what I meaaaaannn uhhhhhh uh uh aahhh thanks
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Swamp Ziro I'm achieving something right now if you know what I meaaaaannn uhhhhhh uh uh aahhh thanks Jesus man you achieved all over his back. That is not cool. .
Vahl Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:12:00 - [53] I'm a bit annoyed that we haven't hit 100K losses yet. Goons are underachievers on top of being horrible at pvp. :effort: _________________________________________________________ ==REDSWARM FEDERATION== ...because we hate your f**king guts.
Ju Ming Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:24:00 - [54] Edited by: Ju Ming on 14/01/2008 22:26:12 Hey there Its also important to understand that if you want a really low Kill ration you dont undock or engage. This is also one of the best ways to lose space when push comes to shove. Also KB Ratios are not as a rule correct especially when the Board you are checking tends to have mixed fleets. The reason being that if my KB shows a kill done by 10 Ships and 1 was lost but only 2 ships involved in the kill will be posting loses on my board it sort of skews the numbers. But in the end its not just about Kill Ratios its actually about who is ready to put their assets and time on the line to hold space. This means doing logistics, tearing down hostile POS and enaging both fleets and causing grief in your enemies farming areas. Also some players care more then others if they get killed and may or may not be more likely to put either cheap or shinny stuff on the line. In the Swarm its very common to have players go on suicide attack runs in any thing from Frigates to Battleships. For others like Tri, they roam all areas of EvE in their Nano Snake gangs looking for fights knowing they might get killed and podded. But there are others that when they finally find themselves under attack they fold as SOV holding entities. Some Alliances have had to face harsh realization that they mostly recruited farmers that have no intention to fight. So its not really about how many Kills you get but rather when a fight comes to your systems do you fight if its realistic so you can hold SOV. Fly Well Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email [email protected] ~Saint
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:44:00 - [55] Something tells me the OP is simply trying to divert EVERYONE from the larger issue, divide and conquer if you will, try harder OP Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:46:00 - [56] TRI sucks we shouldn't hold sov paper tiger etc amirite? Anyhow, agreeing with the goon for once in a lifetime - I'd say an alliance that gives it's best shot regularly but gets their ass handed to them is a better alliance more deserving of the space it owns than the one who doesn't dare take risks in combat. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Lee ChanKa Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:54:00 - [57] Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 22:55:14 Originally by: Vasili Z You'll find all the actual pvpers who play just to pvp don't care about POS or sov and even if they did, there's not enough of them to control all the space in Eve. There will always be carebears in 0.0 because if it was just pvpers, there'd be no POS. yes i dont care about nothing you can do pvp in 0.0 from npc station...so this mann totaly right..and fu** pos warfere and large fleet ops..thet is all garbage..no nead skill 2 drop 100 caps and 2 shoot primari secondary and rest comands..no ofeence for cap pilots but i will NEWHER in life learn for any cap ship.. 2 cen ewqilibrium aka lee
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:03:00 - [58] tri alts make the worst threads srsly
Lee ChanKa Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:09:00 - [59] Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:11:10 Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:09:05 Originally by: The Mittani tri alts make the worst threads srsly and wtf are you trying 2 say with this? i didnt post nothing herr in all mine posts for TRI i post in mine name..so if you hawe something 2 say say 2 me or back..
Syzdothyx	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:10:00 - [60] imo the op was trying to find a way to brag about the carrier kills without sounding like a noob... The north is so dull compared to you southern gents, at least your pets build titans

The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:11:00 - [61] my post is not confusing vOv
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Lee ChanKa Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:11:10 Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:09:05 Originally by: The Mittani tri alts make the worst threads srsly and wtf are you trying 2 say with this? i didnt post nothing herr in all mine posts for TRI i post in mine name..so if you hawe something 2 say say 2 me or back.. 'tri alts' read the op :cripes:
Clinically Gallente Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. QFT + terrible COAD posting makes you doubly unworthy. ________________ Welcome to EvE Online Forums, would you like to: [ ] Whine about ganking [ ] Complain about updates [ ] Post an anti-nerf petition [X] Remove your operating system
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:19:00 - [64] Originally by: Tinka Toy Hydra is ripe for the picking for a lot of reasons. You'll have to approach Pure/MM on the diplomatic side and get approval first though. For the right price they might turn a blind eye, and claim they're too busy in the South to bother defending Hydra. Hydra itself isn't capable of doing squat, and they're losing PvP corps left and right as it is. Absolutely incorrect. We (RAWR) do not behave that way. Two things would be significantly more likely: 1. We absolutely are "busy in the south" or busy with anything else which might be of a higher priority, given the situation. 2. Hydra would have to request our help, something they haven't felt the need to do. We are blue to them, but do not consider ourselves necessarily to be the defacto protectors of their space. Pure's relationship with Hydra may be entirely different. I don't speak for them. RAWR are not, nor do we wish to be the police of "The North." "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Ituralde TRI sucks we shouldn't hold sov paper tiger etc amirite? Anyhow, agreeing with the goon for once in a lifetime - I'd say an alliance that gives it's best shot regularly but gets their ass handed to them is a better alliance more deserving of the space it owns than the one who doesn't dare take risks in combat. Not to mention that such an alliance stands at least some chance of improving. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
sidthesexist Caldari Revival.	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Lee ChanKa Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:11:10 Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:09:05 Originally by: The Mittani tri alts make the worst threads srsly and wtf are you trying 2 say with this? i didnt post nothing herr in all mine posts for TRI i post in mine name..so if you hawe something 2 say say 2 me or back.. I condone this post. Best post so far imo...
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:37:00 - [67] Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:42:00 - [68] Originally by: SATAN Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space. Which one is the "resident carebear." Name and shame... "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:48:00 - [69] Killboard efficiency mean little, if they got the tenacity to come back and hold the ground despite losing ships to 1-10 different attacking entities they've clearly earned the right to be there. They just bled more for it. Who do you serve wanting Hydra gone? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:03:00 - [70] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Thargat Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space... I know what you did there. Once upon a time pvp was mediocre fleets shooting each other. Now PVP is: - Pos Spamming - Superiour logistics - Big Fleet Battles - Pos Sieges - Market Dominance I hope you get my point there.

Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 01:39:00 - [71] Edited by: Splagada on 15/01/2008 01:40:21 Originally by: Orree Originally by: SATAN Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space. Which one is the "resident carebear." Name and shame... Well i got good negative intel there : it wasnt us :p ------ Tides of Silence
Felysta Sandorn Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 01:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! Latest Video, Click Here!
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 01:55:00 - [73] Originally by: The Mittani tri alts make the worst threads srsly qft
Akel jomar Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.01.15 01:58:00 - [74] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! Says the one that ran. Poptarts
Jirai Grepher Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 01:59:00 - [75] Originally by: Akel jomar Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! Says the one that ran. that would be me by the way. _________________ The former and original Pel Mel
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 02:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Ju Ming Edited by: Ju Ming on 14/01/2008 22:26:12 Hey there Its also important to understand that if you want a really low Kill ration you dont undock or engage. This is also one of the best ways to lose space when push comes to shove. Also KB Ratios are not as a rule correct especially when the Board you are checking tends to have mixed fleets. The reason being that if my KB shows a kill done by 10 Ships and 1 was lost but only 2 ships involved in the kill will be posting loses on my board it sort of skews the numbers. But in the end its not just about Kill Ratios its actually about who is ready to put their assets and time on the line to hold space. This means doing logistics, tearing down hostile POS and enaging both fleets and causing grief in your enemies farming areas. Also some players care more then others if they get killed and may or may not be more likely to put either cheap or shinny stuff on the line. In the Swarm its very common to have players go on suicide attack runs in any thing from Frigates to Battleships. For others like Tri, they roam all areas of EvE in their Nano Snake gangs looking for fights knowing they might get killed and podded. But there are others that when they finally find themselves under attack they fold as SOV holding entities. Some Alliances have had to face harsh realization that they mostly recruited farmers that have no intention to fight. So its not really about how many Kills you get but rather when a fight comes to your systems do you fight if its realistic so you can hold SOV. Fly Well please join eurosquad
Felysta Sandorn Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 02:04:00 - [77] Originally by: Jirai Grepher Originally by: Akel jomar Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! Says the one that ran. that would be me by the way. Maybe that's the problem! Latest Video, Click Here!
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 02:34:00 - [78] The guys in General Discussion has this nailed, why can't CAOD get it too? - Eve doesn't adapt to you, you have to adapt to it. - If you don't like what's going on, there's a bagillion other things you can do. (you don't have to play conquerable 0.0 just because you have more than 30 mill SP) - Killboards is not a feature supported by CCP and has no effect on the game.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.15 02:36:00 - [79] I'm not going to name alliances (ok... maybe 1 or 2 for fun...) but i think it is a clear indication that eve isnt full as some people are saying, theres no pressure on the crap people so obviously there is room for everyone. POS's hold sov, not skill, not fleets, so the **** players can just put up some death stars and then you need 30-40 bs or a capital fleet at a bare minimum to remove them. Most of these crap alliances, you will notice, have died in the GBC or are clutching the coalition and pretending to help, they will die later though. Most of these crap alliances have a massive blue list, so if they feel threatened they just crank up the tear generator and go cry to whomever looks after them. So really, all you can do without alliance scale effort is gank the hell out of them while they are there.
Attak Trioptimum The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.15 02:37:00 - [80] Well, let's start with HYDRA. They don't deserve it because they could be killed easily by SMASH/RK. But SMASH don't deserve their space because they could be killed by MM. But then MM doesn't deserve their space because TRI could kill them. TRI doesn't deserve their space either because BoB could kill them. And BoB doesn't deserve their space because Goons can kill them. Goons, of course, are total nublets and have a terrible k/d ratio so don't deserve to even be in lowsec. Beats me tbh. How do you deserve space in this game?

Felysta Sandorn Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 02:38:00 - [81] Originally by: Cvuos The guys in General Discussion has this nailed, why can't CAOD get it too? - Eve doesn't adapt to you, you have to adapt to it. - If you don't like what's going on, there's a bagillion other things you can do. (you don't have to play conquerable 0.0 just because you have more than 30 mill SP) - Killboards is not a feature supported by CCP and has no effect on the game. Uh... A coherent goon, with whom I agree! Something's wrong... Latest Video, Click Here!
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:00:00 - [82] Originally by: Lee ChanKa Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 22:59:08 Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 22:55:14 Originally by: Vasili Z You'll find all the actual pvpers who play just to pvp don't care about POS or sov and even if they did, there's not enough of them to control all the space in Eve. There will always be carebears in 0.0 because if it was just pvpers, there'd be no POS. yes i dont care about nothing you can do pvp in 0.0 from npc station...so this mann totaly right..and fu** pos warfere and large fleet ops..thet is all garbage..no nead skill 2 drop 100 caps and 2 shoot primari secondary and rest comands..no ofeence for cap pilots but i will NEWHER in life learn for any cap ship.. hehehe tri posting that blobbing with cap ships != skill tell that to angel, she'll tell you that it takes a lot of skill and if it wasnt for the lag all of eve would be dead
Myth Al'kar Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:59:00 - [83] I don't feel any shame in blowing due to the likes of Tri, Burn Eden, MDK, etc. Each time is a learning experience, and sometimes I get my own back. As to the carrier battle....having all those jamming ships and snipers circling my Rokh like sharks was funny. GF Tri.
Ju Ming Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:21:00 - [84] umop 3pisdn - Aka the Tokyo Rose of BoB You have no clue what is involved in either pvp or holding sov space. to be blunt its funny how players spam on characters that have nothing to do with the game. Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email [email protected] ~Saint
Tarantelita Ragna Rok Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:55:00 - [85] I agree, Hydra must be the most noob alliance (like i have writen 1000 times befor on forums) in EVE. They are good at hiding, give them props for that
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:49:00 - [86] Originally by: Orree Originally by: SATAN Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space. Which one is the "resident carebear." Name and shame... It was not me..... I was too busy playing WOW. Seriously, WOW > EVE
Gibson Rothman HOMELESS. Band of Bums	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:12:00 - [87] Originally by: Vasili Z You'll find all the actual pvpers who play just to pvp don't care about POS or sov and even if they did, there's not enough of them to control all the space in Eve. ^^^ Enough Said. More Heads, More Silver
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:33:00 - [88] FIX had nearly a 70% efficiency an still lost it's space.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:44:00 - [89] Edited by: Omega Man on 15/01/2008 11:50:42 Originally by: Khanid Kutie I've been spending my morning today looking at various alliance Killboards and wondering why some of these alliance holding space are STILL holding space. Most noticeably is Hydra Alliance. 44% Killboard efficiency, and no ones decided to threaten their sov? Also United Legion has pretty crappy KB efficiency. Who do you guys think is the least worthy to hold 0.0 space? (minus bob and goons, we all know how the majority feel about them). Very useful. So from the safety of your desk, you have identified alliances that hold space but you deem should not. What you now going to do about it? Write another memo and they will leave? It is one of those things, if they are holding space it is because they can. When they fail to hold space it is because they cannot. No amount of telling them they should not be holding it will make them wake up and say "you know that alt poster shuffling bits of a paper about is right, we better leave." There are many things which allow an entity to hold space, not all based on actually having to fight for it. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:53:00 - [90] Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 15/01/2008 11:54:13 The OP either has no concept of how 0.0 alliances run their space (pet alliances, holders etc) or is trying to start a riot by making a bold statement and is clearly looking for attention. And ffs post with your main. At least that way we can all have a look at your killboard and make dumb assumptions that KB ratio's A.) reflect how effective an alliance is at holding space B.) are always thruthfull C.) would have anything to say about the logistical capabilities of an alliance D.) would reflect things like fleet/gang participation, winning the fights that matter, having fat in an alliance with alot of new players that tend to screw up the KB stats.

darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space we have never to this day lost SOV in any space we have held. so urmm. d solo.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:58:00 - [92] Originally by: SATAN Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space. this guy gets it... eve is a big nap fest, fight one alliance and 10 come to help. a trully *** game where very few even try to stand alone and prove themselves. cant do it urself dont even try. d solo.
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! d solo.
Sha4d13	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:03:00 - [94] Correct... UNL sucked at pvp- my old corp used to see them off single handed in Immensea. But then they got help from TCF and others in huge numbers to take the space. Now they hold the area and are so far from the front lines, they are nice and cosy and safe. Attack them- you will get TCF, FTZ, RA etc defending. Pointless. Such a shame- though I can heartily reccomend a trip down there for anyone who enjoys ganking isk farmers in belts...
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:38:00 - [95] Edited by: Reacz on 15/01/2008 12:39:49 Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space Indeed, a Coalition of 3/4 alliances and Tri all ganging up on poor old Insurgency. Yeah we suck... TBH We're flattered, they must either a) Really hate us or b) Really fear us. Either way, they are going down.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:04:00 - [96] Edited by: Exlegion on 15/01/2008 13:05:43 Originally by: Omega Man Very useful. So from the safety of your desk, you have identified alliances that hold space but you deem should not. What you now going to do about it? Write another memo and they will leave? It is one of those things, if they are holding space it is because they can. When they fail to hold space it is because they cannot. No amount of telling them they should not be holding it will make them wake up and say "you know that alt poster shuffling bits of a paper about is right, we better leave." There are many things which allow an entity to hold space, not all based on actually having to fight for it. Well said, my man. I suspect the OP is trying to get the North to turn on itself, specifically, MM and Pure on Hydra. Perhaps his main's alliance is looking for easy space to take over. But what good would it do any alliance to replace a stable neighbor with a treacherous alliance willing to work out secret backstabbing deals with its neighbors? Anyway, interested in Hydra space? Shut up and come get it already. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Angor The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Star Nove GF guys! The best moment for me was when SATAN yells in Local "WILL YOU JUST DIE" I was trying to type "WILL YOU JUST RUN OUT OF AMMO"? but my hands were shaking so much I couldn't get the words out.. :-) Your carrier took 2.5mil damage. We thought it would never die :) _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:21:00 - [98] Theres more to holding space then KB stats. If you was actually in a real corp/alliance instead of "troll bots r us" youd have a clue :) But to answer the underlying question, the only entity who doesnt deserve to hold space is Concord. OK? Thundercats 4 Life
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:24:00 - [99] ushra khan deserved to hold space and now doesn't :( Sylph didn't deserve to hold space but it does :(
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:39:00 - [100] Edited by: welsh wizard on 15/01/2008 13:39:03 Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space WETRAIN o/ --------------- you all smell!

Patso Tappaja Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:45:00 - [101] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Thargat Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay? (no pun intended) once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space... These days full out pvpers only hold space to grind carebear spawns. This Sig doesnt lack eve-online material THIS time.
touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:08:00 - [102] Hydra have a nice group of friends to help them, not everyone are experienced pvper's with the isk to be able to fit out ships to the best everytime. Especially the likes of Hydra who may not be the next BoB with regards to pvp at least they undock and lose their ships. It's not all about winning, I value the fun and good experiences over grabbing killmails. My shed load of losses will say that. Pretty simple though, Hydra's space is crap, noone really want's it so they don't get challenges, however if they did they have a very strong group of friends who would help them. They are not great at pvp but it's quite clear to see they are working on it and striving to improve. On the subject of them losing 4 carriers. We lost 1 carrier and 4 dreads last week too (and could have been a hell of a lot more) so we suck more than Hydra tbh. ---------- dot the dot then dot the dot then all you have done is dotted two dots. Amazing no?
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:09:00 - [103] Originally by: Swamp Ziro ushra khan deserved to hold space and now doesn't :( Sylph didn't deserve to hold space but it does :( Facts please, I've seen nothing that supports that. Simply the fact that things are as they are now indicate we did something right and UK did something wrong. Now whether you as an individual would have rather seen UK in our space then us has nothing to do with us being deserving or not. We have repelled several invasions in our space and went toe to toe with some of the best PVP corps/alliances and came out on top. Thats all I will say about it. (for my own safety before alliance diplos spot me here and put me against the wall...)
Felysta Sandorn Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:12:00 - [104] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Originally by: Mohadir Elrutra Insurgency suck at defending there space True, that! d solo. Love you, Darth! Latest Video, Click Here!
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:14:00 - [105] Killboard statistics are useless as a pvp skill/ readiness indicator. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:14:00 - [106] I like Hydra...and if someone thinks they don't deserve their space, then take it away from them...pretty simple... I for one really appreciate the P3 respawn rate though...truly impressive!
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:27:00 - [107] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Facts please, I've seen nothing that supports that. Simply the fact that things are as they are now indicate we did something right and UK did something wrong. Now whether you as an individual would have rather seen UK in our space then us has nothing to do with us being deserving or not. We have repelled several invasions in our space and went toe to toe with some of the best PVP corps/alliances and came out on top. Thats all I will say about it. (for my own safety before alliance diplos spot me here and put me against the wall...) Sylph and hydra are very much alike in thier style and how they hold space (because of others) but then you can say that about pretty much every 0.0 holding alliance. I have no idea who these best pvp corps alliances that you went toe to toe with and came out on top or who you seem to think invaded your space and you repeled cos every battle report ive ever seen about hydra says the same, you got owned. You even called in pure and mm to deal with TI who had at most a 15 man gang ffs.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:35:00 - [108] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: SATAN Here is my point of view. Most alliances in this game besides the obvious ones are not very strong, they may talk the talk but when it comes down to fighting its their neighbors and NAP list that saves the day. Say what you will about Hydra, but at least they come out and fight. They do very little smack talking and they keep coming back. From my perspective the only difference between Hydra and alot of the other big alliances in this game is leadership. Hydra just seems to be missing good commanders, and a goal. But to answer the opps question, to take Hydra's space you need to defeat Hydra, MM, Pure, Smash, Roadkill, Mostly Harmless, and a few more all at the same time believe me we tried when our resident carebear decided perhaps we should take some space. this guy gets it... eve is a big nap fest, fight one alliance and 10 come to help. a trully * game where very few even try to stand alone and prove themselves. cant do it urself dont even try. d solo. Wow i agree with darth. That is pretty **** up. snip Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem
Solasta Kovacs Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:38:00 - [109] Originally by: Wesley Baird I like Hydra...and if someone thinks they don't deserve their space, then take it away from them...pretty simple... Let's be fair- if a potential invader was guaranteed not to be blobbed by MM, Pure, Razor et al the moment they brought a cap fleet to Hydra space, Hydra would have been attacked long ago. However- that is not how Eve works these days. 0-0 is controlled by about 3 huge naps. It is almost impossible to break into that space without joining one of those naps. Credit to Tri incidentally for having achieved that.
Ju Ming Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:04:00 - [110] Solasta Kovacs Yea but its also not pure black & white naps either, you dont have many Alliances that share the same exact Blue standings even if they are allied. I think though that many are just hoping that at the end of the War with BoB that the universe can get let naps and more red. Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email [email protected] ~Saint

Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:05:00 - [111] Originally by: Khanid Kutie you mean to say that when an alliance loses 4 carriers in one day You can easily lose four carriers in a single engagement if things get messy. What you're saying has no point. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:42:00 - [112] Originally by: Solasta Kovacs Let's be fair- if a potential invader was guaranteed not to be blobbed by MM, Pure, Razor et al the moment they brought a cap fleet to Hydra space, Hydra would have been attacked long ago. However- that is not how Eve works these days. 0-0 is controlled by about 3 huge naps. It is almost impossible to break into that space without joining one of those naps. Credit to Tri incidentally for having achieved that. It's been said already many times. Holding space isn't just about PVP. Hydra has built political relationships, especially with its neighbors. There's a political element to it that some in this thread don't seem to get. This thread seems to be about "everything else aside but PVP, they don't deserve space". Now if you still disagree that Hydra shouldn't be holding space then come get it. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:48:00 - [113] Originally by: Droewa FIX had nearly a 70% efficiency an still lost it's space. when did fix start posting all their losses?
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:26:00 - [114] Originally by: marakor Originally by: 128th ABC123 Facts please, I've seen nothing that supports that. Simply the fact that things are as they are now indicate we did something right and UK did something wrong. Now whether you as an individual would have rather seen UK in our space then us has nothing to do with us being deserving or not. We have repelled several invasions in our space and went toe to toe with some of the best PVP corps/alliances and came out on top. Thats all I will say about it. (for my own safety before alliance diplos spot me here and put me against the wall...) Sylph and hydra are very much alike in thier style and how they hold space (because of others) but then you can say that about pretty much every 0.0 holding alliance. I have no idea who these best pvp corps alliances that you went toe to toe with and came out on top or who you seem to think invaded your space and you repeled cos every battle report ive ever seen about hydra says the same, you got owned. You even called in pure and mm to deal with TI who had at most a 15 man gang ffs. Agreed, and we have seen MM's cap ships dropped on us on a few occasions, not to mention massive Pure gangs etc, so what?! If someone wants the space, grind it out...from past experience many alliances don't seem to have the stomach for a massive grind...no to mention allies are only quick to drop their caps when they believe they have a clear advantage. If you can put up similar numbers in a system, will Hydra allies be willing to risk their cap fleets?? Lag goes wrong just once, or a surprise showing by a hostile cap fleet such as Outbreak/MC/Tri/-A- to get a huge number of cap kills will forever make them think twice about dropping their caps...taking peoples space is hard, and it should be hard IMHO.
Disasemble Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:47:00 - [115] Originally by: Hrin Originally by: DaiTengu Please let us talk about goonswarm, pleaasse! Yeah, look at me.. no, over here! Look I'm dancing, please make this thread about us! Anybody in the south east looks dodgy, didnt really have to fight for the space... just shot some undefended poses and dropped some new ones. jm2c
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:53:00 - [116] I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp - Should lose their space immediately, if they have none, then they should get some as soon as possible, then lose it immediately after that. Bye! Wherever you go... There you are...
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 19:45:00 - [117] Originally by: Attak Well, let's start with HYDRA. They don't deserve it because they could be killed easily by SMASH/RK. But SMASH don't deserve their space because they could be killed by MM. But then MM doesn't deserve their space because TRI could kill them. TRI doesn't deserve their space either because BoB could kill them. And BoB doesn't deserve their space because Goons can kill them. Goons, of course, are total nublets and have a terrible k/d ratio so don't deserve to even be in lowsec. Beats me tbh. How do you deserve space in this game? is this a tri pet alliance member stating that someone else doesnt deserve space? roflmao
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:03:00 - [118] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Droewa FIX had nearly a 70% efficiency an still lost it's space. when did fix start posting all their losses? this is why a nice system where corps could just import an API key into the KB would be the awsome. i post my deaths but i must admit i hate posting kill mails n loss mails, it's a pian in the but for very lasy people like me.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:04:00 - [119] Edited by: Exlegion on 15/01/2008 20:11:43 Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Attak Well, let's start with HYDRA. They don't deserve it because they could be killed easily by SMASH/RK. But SMASH don't deserve their space because they could be killed by MM. But then MM doesn't deserve their space because TRI could kill them. TRI doesn't deserve their space either because BoB could kill them. And BoB doesn't deserve their space because Goons can kill them. Goons, of course, are total nublets and have a terrible k/d ratio so don't deserve to even be in lowsec. Beats me tbh. How do you deserve space in this game? is this a tri pet alliance member stating that someone else doesnt deserve space? roflmao The more important questions I think are who's alt are you and what are your true intentions with this thread. Forgive me for saying this but it almost sounds as if you're whining your alliance deserves space. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:49:00 - [120] TBH a bad eff on the KB doesnt always say they are the worst people out there. There are other people who never get involved in figths and only do ganks witch have a better eff. But that doesn't say they will do better while they get sieged.

Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:13:00 - [121] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: Attak Well, let's start with HYDRA. They don't deserve it because they could be killed easily by SMASH/RK. But SMASH don't deserve their space because they could be killed by MM. But then MM doesn't deserve their space because TRI could kill them. TRI doesn't deserve their space either because BoB could kill them. And BoB doesn't deserve their space because Goons can kill them. Goons, of course, are total nublets and have a terrible k/d ratio so don't deserve to even be in lowsec. Beats me tbh. How do you deserve space in this game? is this a tri pet alliance member stating that someone else doesnt deserve space? roflmao Please try to learn how to read before posting a CAOD thread asking for responses.
Fortiter Icarus' Wings Daedalus Hegemony	Posted - 2008.01.16 04:34:00 - [122] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: matoni Whatever Hydra is doing, in **ing you off they're at least doing something right. DeSTiNy. also has pathetic numbers on their boards. And we all know Tri kicked PL out of Deklein for being a **ty pvp alliance, why havent they taken the extra step and kicked destiny out of upper dek? Destiny pays them billions a month in rent thats why. When the brown stuff hits the fan, Tri will wish they picked better tennants. Hey is RISE looking for space? Tri should look them up!
xRevolveRx Masters of Mayhem	Posted - 2008.01.16 04:40:00 - [123] Originally by: Droewa this is why a nice system where corps could just import an API key into the KB would be the awsome. i post my deaths but i must admit i hate posting kill mails n loss mails, it's a pian in the but for very lasy people like me. Who is that in your sig?
Gidien Kane Amarr OneHundredRed	Posted - 2008.01.16 05:13:00 - [124] The list is far shorter if you count who deserves to hold their space. RA x2 on bawls and determination TCF have had a good showing in the war Goons through political maneuvers AAA Picking the right allies (as many as possible) BoB www.killboard.net speaks for itself on a daily basis Tortuga get honorable mention due to the history of the corps involved, except KIA ofc, it might be a while before they get to prove their alliance vs the train. I look at the rest of them map and perhaps I judge them a bit unfairly because having lived\witnessed part of the great war it is my opinion that if either side of the war was to focus a fraction of it's attention on any other alliance it would die in 2 weeks tops. Anyone in the north is lawl, a prime example is how they have turned an ant hill in y-2ano into a mountain. Reality is there's a lot of space to be covered and some one has to live there Please do not edit moderator remarks in your signature - Kreul Intentions
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 08:42:00 - [125] Originally by: marakor Originally by: 128th ABC123 Facts please, I've seen nothing that supports that. Simply the fact that things are as they are now indicate we did something right and UK did something wrong. Now whether you as an individual would have rather seen UK in our space then us has nothing to do with us being deserving or not. We have repelled several invasions in our space and went toe to toe with some of the best PVP corps/alliances and came out on top. Thats all I will say about it. (for my own safety before alliance diplos spot me here and put me against the wall...) Sylph and hydra are very much alike in thier style and how they hold space (because of others) but then you can say that about pretty much every 0.0 holding alliance. I have no idea who these best pvp corps alliances that you went toe to toe with and came out on top or who you seem to think invaded your space and you repeled cos every battle report ive ever seen about hydra says the same, you got owned. You even called in pure and mm to deal with TI who had at most a 15 man gang ffs. Uhmm.. I'm Sylph not Hydra, ffs read before you post. You seem to be affilitated to TI or was part of it before they booted half their member base, why don't you post with your main? Our encounters with TI ended in our favour. They came. They smacked. They left.
Ichandasil Minmatar Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:21:00 - [126] The OP seems to be ignorant of things which have been known for centuries, namely, war is politics by another means. For one to believe living and dying on the battlefield is the determiner of political outcomes is the height of ignorance. Unfortunately there isn't a kill board for political maneuvers so that we could see the true reason for your apparent frustrations, you're a political n00b.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:36:00 - [127] Originally by: Ichandasil The OP seems to be ignorant of things which have been known for centuries, namely, war is politics by another means. For one to believe living and dying on the battlefield is the determiner of political outcomes is the height of ignorance. Unfortunately there isn't a kill board for political maneuvers so that we could see the true reason for your apparent frustrations, you're a political n00b. oh wow good job quoting Dead Carl there, i'm sure all the freshman Political Science majors are real intimidated by you now Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Securion Wolfheart Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:41:00 - [128] Alliance A have 1 POS in the system, Alliance B have 1 POS as well. Alliance A looses its POS and 10 ships, Alliance B looses 50 ships but manages to save its POS. Who is the winner? Who are more capable of holding space? Clearly Alliance B since they have sov. Kill/Death ratios are not everything. Get over it. Some people want to know: ôHow can you convince these people that they are wrong and you are right?ö My first thought is, ôWho cares?ö
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:43:00 - [129] Originally by: Ichandasil The OP seems to be ignorant of things which have been known for centuries, namely, war is politics by another means. For one to believe living and dying on the battlefield is the determiner of political outcomes is the height of ignorance. Unfortunately there isn't a kill board for political maneuvers so that we could see the true reason for your apparent frustrations, you're a political n00b. 100% agreed. Survival is not only related to your own ability to protect yourself, but also the ability to rally allies (forming an alliance itself and creating numbers around yourself is the same thing in principal)and to manage the logistics (becoming increasingly harder with the carrier nerf, at least untill we all get reskilled to Rorquals and jumpfreighters.. ) Being able to overcome internal disputes, keeping members happy, keeping morale high, etc, etc. plays a big role too.
Ichandasil Minmatar Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:44:00 - [130] Quote: oh wow good job quoting Dead Carl there, i'm sure all the freshman Political Science majors are real intimidated by you now I could have sworn that Matt Damon said those exact words in Good Will Hunting. Or maybe I'm wrong, there's just been so many damn movies with that boorish, anti-intellectual snark in them that I get confused. But at least you've had an opportunity to intimidate all the English freshmen with your amazing grammatical skills.

Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.16 13:16:00 - [131] Originally by: Ichandasil Quote: oh wow good job quoting Dead Carl there, i'm sure all the freshman Political Science majors are real intimidated by you now I could have sworn that Matt Damon said those exact words in Good Will Hunting. Or maybe I'm wrong, there's just been so many damn movies with that boorish, anti-intellectual snark in them that I get confused. But at least you've had an opportunity to intimidate all the English freshmen with your amazing grammatical skills. Is this a comeback? I don't even know what this is supposed to be, maybe I should take English 101 again Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Aquidus Nefron Caldari Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:12:00 - [132] may i just add this little bit of info We are one of the few alliances that inforce the upload of any/all losses. I have seen many other alliance that "Float" their KB by not posting all losses, no matter how lame they may be. As a CEO, I post all losses of my corp that I have not seen uploaded yet, and many other CEOs in hydra do the same. This even includes the poor ppl who have fallen asleep while ratting/missioning.
SibSpi Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:29:00 - [133] Originally by: Aquidus Nefron may i just add this little bit of info We are one of the few alliances that inforce the upload of any/all losses. Is this recent? 3~ weeks ago when we were in the middle of our war, many hydra pilots failed to post losses. Not smack. ------------- When in doubt, F1->F8...
Aquidus Nefron Caldari Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:26:00 - [134] Edited by: Aquidus Nefron on 17/01/2008 00:26:06 Originally by: SibSpi Originally by: Aquidus Nefron may i just add this little bit of info We are one of the few alliances that inforce the upload of any/all losses. Is this recent? 3~ weeks ago when we were in the middle of our war, many hydra pilots failed to post losses. Not smack. not recent, but we have been trying to ***** down more on it. I know not everyone posts all losses, but CEO's are supposed to go behind members and post, thanks to CCP fiving us the new ability to see corp kills and losses.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:39:00 - [135] Edited by: Splagada on 17/01/2008 00:41:23 send me the missing kms if any please thank you ------ Tides of Silence
Nebuchadnezzar I Art of War	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:25:00 - [136] Didnt read this damn thread, but tbh. KOS - is one crappy alliance, as well as XXX>RUSSIANPETSXXX<WHATEVERDEATH!!!! - both extremely weak farming alliances.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:33:00 - [137] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Didnt read this damn thread, but tbh. KOS - is one crappy alliance, as well as XXX>RUSSIANPETSXXX<WHATEVERDEATH!!!! - both extremely weak farming alliances. Your corp is pretty crappy too tbqpfh Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:33:00 - [138] Time tells what allainces deserve space. K/D ratios matter a litte (to moral), but at the end whomever wants to put the time in will win. sig nerfed ;/
Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:57:00 - [139] Originally by: FubarSF Time tells what allainces deserve space. K/D ratios matter a litte (to moral), but at the end whomever wants to put the time in will win. Whoever wants the space more will take control of it. That's the way it's always been.
Rivek Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.17 02:04:00 - [140] Originally by: Khanid Kutie I've been spending my morning today looking at various alliance Killboards and wondering why some of these alliance holding space are STILL holding space. Who do you guys think is the least worthy to hold 0.0 space? Anyone who is willing to erect and fuel towers... since that is basically all it requires.

128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:19:00 - [141] So whats up with the sig nerf? Anyone know?
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:39:00 - [142] Originally by: 128th ABC123 So whats up with the sig nerf? Anyone know? It's not a nerf. It's a new feature. Click to check the button on the top of the page [Display images]. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
chris lares	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:43:00 - [143] Terra incognita fails u have reginald in ur alliance!!! AND SOPHI THE FLOWER BOY\1111!!!!!1111!1.. <3
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:12:00 - [144] Edited by: Admiral Nova on 17/01/2008 15:12:28 The people with the best killboard stats are the ones that take few risks. If you don't take risks you never gain space, since the very system of contesting space requires it.
CWevers Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.18 20:50:00 - [145] Some footage supporting this topic http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/cwevers/Carrier_Slaughter.avi


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