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Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:47:00 - [1] This is the one and only reason I do not plan on getting one as my endgame. If I get one Kirjava becomes mothership bound till I either get another charecter trained up or it dies. As I assume the nerf has happened, would it be asking too much to allow peeps to put them into storage on occasion and let loose their HAC and a myriad of other fun toys? I have never piloted one, my view is from the perspective of someone considering one. If this is truely gamebreaking then tell me, I am not suggesting that Titans be dockable just motherships, Titans deserve to never dock. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Ralara	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Ralara on 14/01/2008 19:50:15 It's a trade off. One of the most useful and powerful ships in game... in exchange for... you can't fly anything else. You could always drop it off at a POS and eject.... assuming you trust your corp/alliance not to fk with it... And why is it ok for you to dock in a mothership, but not a titan? Why should the line be moved to motherships but not titans? Because you can fly one but not a titan? What happens if/when you want a titan? No.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:49:00 - [3] I guess the point behind motherships not being dockable is to keep them as alliance-based assets. I'm not sure if the fact that the ship can use cloning facilities has anything to do with the fact that it can't dock, though it could also be one of the causes. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Ralara It's a trade off. One of the most useful and powerful ships in game... in exchange for... you can't fly anything else. You could always drop it off at a POS and eject.... assuming you trust your corp/alliance not to fk with it... There are capital ship maintenance arrays. Obviously, they are a big target, but as long as you set one up in Sov 4 space, you'll have plenty of time to take the ship out before the tower becomes compromised. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Ralara	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Ralara It's a trade off. One of the most useful and powerful ships in game... in exchange for... you can't fly anything else. You could always drop it off at a POS and eject.... assuming you trust your corp/alliance not to fk with it... There are capital ship maintenance arrays. Obviously, they are a big target, but as long as you set one up in Sov 4 space, you'll have plenty of time to take the ship out before the tower becomes compromised. Yes but some of the corp have access to that - which brings me back to my point - you have to trust your corp or alliance not to steal it. If you can't trust them to do that, don't be in their corp/alliance imo.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:53:00 - [6] I don't think that this is a good idea. As it is it keeps them to being what their supposed to be (at least for the most part): An alliance tool. If you want to keep it safe then you need to have the resources to do that by setting up a POS with the appropriate storage facilities, and the means with which to defend them. --- MOZO
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Ralara It's a trade off. One of the most useful and powerful ships in game... in exchange for... you can't fly anything else. You could always drop it off at a POS and eject.... assuming you trust your corp/alliance not to fk with it... There are capital ship maintenance arrays. Obviously, they are a big target, but as long as you set one up in Sov 4 space, you'll have plenty of time to take the ship out before the tower becomes compromised. Yes but some of the corp have access to that - which brings me back to my point - you have to trust your corp or alliance not to steal it. If you can't trust them to do that, don't be in their corp/alliance imo. you can launch a pos for your own us and not corp use you know.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:55:00 - [8] On Titans v Motherships, MS are from what I have seen used as bigger carriers or in medium sized gang (approx 15 people) pvp in lowsec. A Titan is another thing entirely, they are used to bathe battlefields with splash damage and move armadas around. On trust, they are worth 15-16B in minerals, 19B to buy. Would you trust someone with that much if you knew they could fly it and weren't filthy rich? Theres also the fact of brag rights to a noob who manages to bump it out and kill it, regardless of the fact it was allied. AFAIK, the thing that made MS the ferocious beasts they are legendary for has been removed, so it being dockable (if I were a MS pilot allready) would have been a halfway acceptable compromise. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Westly Synpa Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Ralara It's a trade off. One of the most useful and powerful ships in game... in exchange for... you can't fly anything else. You could always drop it off at a POS and eject.... assuming you trust your corp/alliance not to fk with it... There are capital ship maintenance arrays. Obviously, they are a big target, but as long as you set one up in Sov 4 space, you'll have plenty of time to take the ship out before the tower becomes compromised. Yes but some of the corp have access to that - which brings me back to my point - you have to trust your corp or alliance not to steal it. If you can't trust them to do that, don't be in their corp/alliance imo. you can launch a pos for your own us and not corp use you know. You can? Please elaborate on how to do that. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Westly Synpaimo you can launch a pos for your own us and not corp use you know. This is a new development if its true.... ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Ralara	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Westly Synpa Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Ralara It's a trade off. One of the most useful and powerful ships in game... in exchange for... you can't fly anything else. You could always drop it off at a POS and eject.... assuming you trust your corp/alliance not to fk with it... There are capital ship maintenance arrays. Obviously, they are a big target, but as long as you set one up in Sov 4 space, you'll have plenty of time to take the ship out before the tower becomes compromised. Yes but some of the corp have access to that - which brings me back to my point - you have to trust your corp or alliance not to steal it. If you can't trust them to do that, don't be in their corp/alliance imo. you can launch a pos for your own us and not corp use you know. No you can't. You need to be in a player corp. Sure, you could set up your own corp and make an alliance with your existing corp (or join the alliance your corp is in) but it makes for very annoying trivialities.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Asestorian I don't think that this is a good idea. As it is it keeps them to being what their supposed to be (at least for the most part): An alliance tool. If you want to keep it safe then you need to have the resources to do that by setting up a POS with the appropriate storage facilities, and the means with which to defend them. I have never seen (well, been killed by one) on an alliance op, it has allways been in lowsec. Not talking about smartbombing, but I have seen a few in lowsec pvp, small gangs, MS are the big tools for individuals. Back in the early day's battleships were legendary things that were inspirational, considered a grand acheivement by my corp (different toon, I quit and came back) and a corp acheivement. Now that has diminished to it is a staple of Eve to own and operate at elast one Battleship, Capships are becoming into this standard slowly, and MS allready are alliance and personal things. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Ur235 Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:03:00 - [13] thats why people have mothership and titan alts
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:04:00 - [14] The downside to being in a super cap is you can't dock. If you don't want that restriction, don't fly a super capital. It makes a lot of sense for the game if you really rub two brain cells together and think about it. If you can't figure it out, just pretend that a station is a giant secure can and a mothership is another giant secure can. ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" 'Teh Onchinator'
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:06:00 - [15] Yeah... if you trust your corp mates, try to get a corp POS assembled that denies access to everyone but yourself and your own corp mates (and not alliance mates, if that's possible). Ideally, people would be understanding and allow you to have your own dedicated POS for which you alone hold the password, and you could put your ship behind the shield / in an array. If you don't trust any of your own people enough to store a Mothership, you probably shouldn't get one to begin with.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:06:00 - [16] didnt read ur post....but NO
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Onchas Erivvia The downside to being in a super cap is you can't dock. If you don't want that restriction, don't fly a super capital. It makes a lot of sense for the game if you really rub two brain cells together and think about it. If you can't figure it out, just pretend that a station is a giant secure can and a mothership is another giant secure can. Yes I know, I understood this restriction when MS could operate 25 fighters at once, but since that has been downgraded to 5 and needing wingmen to operate the other 20 then being able to dock it and use another ship instaed of barely ever using it would be good. Titan - it's a different beast like I said, I can't see how it would break the game to dock a ship that dosen't have the roll it did when not being able to dock was introduced. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:11:00 - [18] Originally by: Khanid Kutie didnt read ur post....but NO If you didn't read then why bother posting ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:13:00 - [19] I was under the impression the carrier fighter nerf got called off. Did they still go ahead with motherships? That doesn't make much sense... Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Onchas Erivvia The downside to being in a super cap is you can't dock. If you don't want that restriction, don't fly a super capital. It makes a lot of sense for the game if you really rub two brain cells together and think about it. If you can't figure it out, just pretend that a station is a giant secure can and a mothership is another giant secure can. Yes I know, I understood this restriction when MS could operate 25 fighters at once, but since that has been downgraded to 5 and needing wingmen to operate the other 20 then being able to dock it and use another ship instaed of barely ever using it would be good. Titan - it's a different beast like I said, I can't see how it would break the game to dock a ship that dosen't have the roll it did when not being able to dock was introduced. Uhuh. So the station's like a giant secure can... ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" 'Teh Onchinator'
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Tamia Clant I was under the impression the carrier fighter nerf got called off. Did they still go ahead with motherships? That doesn't make much sense... I don't fly one, I like everyone watched the mighty threadnaughts and assumed that the nerf happened..... Can any carrier/mothership pilots confirm if the number of fighters the carrier pilot can control themselves has changed at all? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:25:00 - [22] "End game" != bigger ships
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro "End game" != bigger ships Everyone makes their own endgame, that is the sandbox nature of Eve, mine is to own and pilot a ship that has that "awe" factor like battleships in beta did. Whats yours? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:34:00 - [24] Yout want to fly the second most biggest class of ship in game then prepare for the drawbacks, if you've been playing since beta you should know EVE is a paper/rock/scissors game, not being able to dock is the MSs paper to its rock. And no the fighter control nerf was canceled but CCP are still eager to nerf the carrier class in general so buy with caution. I realy don't think your petitions going to have alot of succes btw. Originally by: GM Nova What the hell???
Vanlade Amarr Blood Holocaust	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Tamia Clant I was under the impression the carrier fighter nerf got called off. Did they still go ahead with motherships? That doesn't make much sense... I don't fly one, I like everyone watched the mighty threadnaughts and assumed that the nerf happened..... Can any carrier/mothership pilots confirm if the number of fighters the carrier pilot can control themselves has changed at all? It did not change, it was called off.
Vanlade Amarr Blood Holocaust	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:36:00 - [26] Also note that you could Edit your original post to write "Petition" instead of "Petetion" :D
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Troye Yout want to fly the second most biggest class of ship in game then prepare for the drawbacks, if you've been playing since beta you should know EVE is a paper/rock/scissors game, not being able to dock is the MSs paper to its rock. And no the fighter control nerf was canceled but CCP are still eager to nerf the carrier class in general so buy with caution. I realy don't think your petitions going to have alot of succes btw. Aye, I understand that it is the second biggest class ingame but I made this under the petition it had had it's claws clipped off, and the request was for the counter to this awesome firepower (it can't dock) to be removed to make the ship more appealing to a potential pilot. I put petition in the title because no one actualy ever treats them as such, and seem to me allways to become good discussion beds as opposed to /sighned. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Vanladall It did not change, it was called off. Yay - but why are motherships selling so low now? Is it market inertia from the speculation keeping it down as people expect them to be that price now? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
squall321 Gallente Unity Of Legends	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:46:00 - [29] AFAIK, you can have your own pos even in a corp. you can set it to not allow corp members in and password the sheilds.. but i think that also means you have to type password everytime.. have to try it ont est server to be sure. but yea :S -----------
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Vanladall It did not change, it was called off. Yay - but why are motherships selling so low now? Is it market inertia from the speculation keeping it down as people expect them to be that price now? Devs have shown intentions to severely nerf motherships, that's enough reason to cause the price to drop. Also, motherships are no longer usable as jump haulers. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:58:00 - [31] Originally by: squall321 AFAIK, you can have your own pos even in a corp. you can set it to not allow corp members in and password the sheilds.. but i think that also means you have to type password everytime.. have to try it ont est server to be sure. but yea :S Correct, I have seen such POS's. Is quite the pain to have to keep re-entering the password when ever you dock or leave the system. *** "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men." Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees
Turin Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:17:00 - [32] I think they should be allowed to dock, but NOT allowed to load/unload ANYTHING. No refitting. No anything. Its just simply a safe place to dock. _________________________________
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Khanid Kutie didnt read ur post....but NO If you didn't read then why bother posting b/c theres no need to dock a supercap...its your problem if u dont have agarage character...
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Vanladall It did not change, it was called off. Yay - but why are motherships selling so low now? Is it market inertia from the speculation keeping it down as people expect them to be that price now? Motherships can be tackled in lowsec now that the Heavy Interdictors have been introduced, so a lot of the solo/small gang lowsec pirates got rid of theirs, flooding the market with them, driving the price down. No fighter nerf has taken place. Also, just because people are becoming rich enough to afford them solo doesn't mean that they should be changed to compensate for that. Those that buy them solo have to take the risks that come with that purchase. They are meant the be used in large gangs by space holding alliances, and anyone using them otherwise needs to deal with what that entails, including that they cannot dock. And to be honest, most (if not all) of those who can afford Motherships solo can afford to buy a second character to do it instead, or another character to PvP with, and pay for the second account with GTCs, negating the problem almost entirely. --- MOZO
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:41:00 - [35] I think Motherships and Titans not being able to dock is as much a technical problem as it is a balance one. I'm not sure if it's the whole ship inside of ship inside of station thing (probably not since carriers can dock) or the use of the Clone Vat inside of a station. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:47:00 - [36] I can't be arsed reading this thread. For a start A MOTHERSHIP a ship that brings forth lots of destruction to lots of people and brings forth chaos and destruction. Births other ships and killing maddness Why would a mother go back to it's womb? docking a mothership is like saying it's not good enough to survive If you want to dock your mothership then you should fly a carrier
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:48:00 - [37] Originally by: Tarminic I think Motherships and Titans not being able to dock is as much a technical problem as it is a balance one. I'm not sure if it's the whole ship inside of ship inside of station thing (probably not since carriers can dock) or the use of the Clone Vat inside of a station. What about Rorquals? I'm pretty sure they can dock, and I'm also pretty sure they can use clone vat bays. --- MOZO
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:49:00 - [38] Edited by: Kirjava on 14/01/2008 21:50:54 Rorquals can use the clone vat so that can't be the problem. And my fault for not having a garage alt? Sorry but this isn't alt online whatever everyone does, I see no reason to specificaly train an alt to pilot a moderatly expensive ship so as not to limit my main. All I am suggesting is it be able to dock so I wouldn't need more accounts. It is as safe with an alt logged off in deadspace as it is docked in a station so I can't see the problem from that pov. EDIT - aren't Motherships just bigger Carriers, like a Supercarrier with a clone Vat Bay attatched anyway? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Gawain Hill I can't be arsed reading this thread. So you skipped the entire constructive criticism and debate to troll your opinion as being more valuable than those that are debating it? My apologies for just ignoring you.... ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Gawain Hill I can't be arsed reading this thread. So you skipped the entire constructive criticism and debate to troll your opinion as being more valuable than those that are debating it? My apologies for just ignoring you.... meh i read the first few posts but lets face it a mothership shouldn't be able to dock it's the be all and end all of ships why should it need to dock? it'd be nice if it could keep all it's defensive moduals active while it didn't have a pilot in it but it shouldn't be able to dock
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:58:00 - [41] They should be able to dock under the following rules Only dock at a station where the corp//alliance has SOV there not stored in the players ship hanger, but in the corp//alliance one Personaly I think that the buildup to such ships is that the player has got them, there his, his to use, his to fight with, his to lose, Supercaps are corp//alliance ships, not the players personal ships. CCP: Were like a clock upon a wall, Always moving but never going anywhere.
Danjira Ryuujin Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Kirjava Everyone makes their own endgame, that is the sandbox nature of Eve, mine is to own and pilot a ship that has that "awe" factor like battleships in beta did. Whats yours? The idea is that you should craft your "end game" within the scope of the game. Asking developers to restructure the game because you want your "end game" and none of the sacrifice to get there, well that just doesn't make sense. I'm sure there are some people who want to be elves and such. Should development cater to them as well? Amarr - Annoying the Eve Community since 2005
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Kirjava EDIT - aren't Motherships just bigger Carriers, like a Supercarrier with a clone Vat Bay attatched anyway? Sure, but why does that mean they should be able to dock? (You also missed that they are immune to EW and basic scrambling). --- MOZO
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:30:00 - [44] Edited by: Kirjava on 14/01/2008 22:30:17 Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin Originally by: Kirjava Everyone makes their own endgame, that is the sandbox nature of Eve, mine is to own and pilot a ship that has that "awe" factor like battleships in beta did. Whats yours? The idea is that you should craft your "end game" within the scope of the game. Asking developers to restructure the game because you want your "end game" and none of the sacrifice to get there, well that just doesn't make sense. I'm sure there are some people who want to be elves and such. Should development cater to them as well? I am stating a vested interestand reason for requesting the change. I beleived -wrongly I may add- that the firepower of MS had been slashed by a significant amount by the patch. This was my reasoning as an acceptable trade - much lower firepower in exchange for the ability to dock and change ship. Originally by: Asestorian Originally by: Kirjava EDIT - aren't Motherships just bigger Carriers, like a Supercarrier with a clone Vat Bay attatched anyway? Sure, but why does that mean they should be able to dock? (You also missed that they are immune to EW and basic scrambling). Like mentioned earlier - HACtors can scramble a MS. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Tsukiko Ishida Amarr Emanation Of Malevolent Outcries	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:42:00 - [45] This is one of the reasons I have always said that, corporate hangers and ship array's should be shown under the corporate rolls settings. This way, you can set who has access to what hanger. On letting Motherships dock....... I can see it now....Lets camp the station and pop every thing that tries to dock....Oh snap! There blobbing me now for popping them in my mothership, so let me dock now. So letting mother ships dock, that would be a big fat NO! FAILEDÖ
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:50:00 - [46] Ok, fair enough Kirjava, I understand where you were coming from now. Also, I know HACtors scramble MS, because I posted that I did say "basic" scrambling though. --- MOZO
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:04:00 - [47] you could make a really really deep safespot in low sec and keep it there. I mean something thats like 40 AU above the system. How this is done i dont know. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:09:00 - [48] While not being biased at all. This would rock. _________________________________________________
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:01:00 - [49] being stuck in one ship is not right - a very expensive fuel eating module for pos or outpost to allow motherships and titans to dock - why not? Trashed sig, Shark was here
ZENZATION MeMento.	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:07:00 - [50] Im not sure if they should be able to dock, but it would be nice if you could safely store it somewhere without having to train up a 2nd character.
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:17:00 - [51] /signed And while you are at it, make it so corp hanger arrays have private secure individual hangers. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - The Volition Cult
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:17:00 - [52] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 15/01/2008 18:19:37 Originally by: ZENZATION Im not sure if they should be able to dock, but it would be nice if you could safely store it somewhere without having to train up a 2nd character. Yeah... risk is one thing, especially when you're logged in, and most especially when you're engaging in dangerous behavior. Having to worry about losing 30 billion ISK every time you log, go AFK, or use another ship seems a bit much, though.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:32:00 - [53] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Yeah... risk is one thing, especially when you're logged in, and most especially when you're engaging in dangerous behavior. Having to worry about losing 30 billion ISK every time you log, go AFK, or use another ship seems a bit much, though. so by your reasoning, titans should be able to dock too? If you dont want to risk losing an expensive ship, then dont train for one. By training for one and buying one, you are consenting to the fact that there is a HUGE risk with these kinds of ships.
Draconyx	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Lithalnas you could make a really really deep safespot in low sec and keep it there. I mean something thats like 40 AU above the system. How this is done i dont know. DO NOT DO THIS Was in Tash-Murkon yesterday and for fun dropped a Observator Deep Space Probe. A Couple scans later I had found a Shutte 336 AU off the plain. Motherships are MUCH bigger targets and can be found in SECONDS regardless of there distance
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:42:00 - [55] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 15/01/2008 18:42:15 Originally by: Khanid Kutie so by your reasoning, titans should be able to dock too? Reading comprehension, do you have it? I did not say that they should be able to dock, I implied that they should be able to be kept safe somewhere, somehow, so that the pilot doesn't have to spend 95% of his game time babysitting them. Quote: If you dont want to risk losing an expensive ship, then dont train for one. By training for one and buying one, you are consenting to the fact that there is a HUGE risk with these kinds of ships. I'm quite sure I never will fly one, for exactly that reason. But people who can afford titans and moms can afford to buy another character anyhow, so practically speaking, your reasoning is circumvented anyway.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:42:00 - [56] I fail to see a reason to allow them to dock i mean there still real powerfull ships and to be fair form a RP view they are to big to dock. If you can not trust your allance then you should never think of buying/building one as if you can not trust them your never going to feel safe flying it. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:52:00 - [57] MS should not be dockable. Such a powerful ship, particularly one like momship that is totally group oriented, should have SEVERE negatives so we dont have everyone who can afford one flying around in one. Eve isnt designed like a lot of other MMOGs where you get your totally awesome 'endgame' sword and it makes you godlike at everything...different ships for different purposes, and MS is designed as an alliance-focused fleet support ship. Making it dockable would just turn it into a better carrier, which its not really meant to be. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:56:00 - [58] Originally by: Del Narveux MS should not be dockable. Such a powerful ship, particularly one like momship that is totally group oriented, should have SEVERE negatives so we dont have everyone who can afford one flying around in one. Eve isnt designed like a lot of other MMOGs where you get your totally awesome 'endgame' sword and it makes you godlike at everything...different ships for different purposes, and MS is designed as an alliance-focused fleet support ship. Making it dockable would just turn it into a better carrier, which its not really meant to be. all that it encourages is multiple accounts Trashed sig, Shark was here
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:14:00 - [59] Not that it's something that I'll be concerned with in the foreseeable future, but the whole thing feels a bit like buying the super car of the year and finding that the doors don't lock... Shouldn't there be something like a password for the ship? Then you could park it within a force field and at least not have to worry about someone who has access to the installation taking off with it.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:42:00 - [60] i think it would be fair to allow MS to dock in an outpost if it has a special super-capital docking bay module. if the station were under siege the module could be destroyed, etc. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Auron Shadowbane Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:13:00 - [61] I really like it whennoobs without game knowledge speak about things they will prolly never attain... you are concearning savety? ya know that you dissapear very fast if you dont have an aggro timer? and for the "smart" people who want to go afk without a station there is a thing called "cloak". uzse them as long as they still exist. once cloaked ships are probable though MS will have serious drawbacks though...
Atomos Darksun Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:49:00 - [62] Originally by: Kirjava This is the one and only reason I do not plan on getting one as my endgame. If I get one Kirjava becomes mothership bound till I either get another charecter trained up or it dies. As I assume the nerf has happened, would it be asking too much to allow peeps to put them into storage on occasion and let loose their HAC and a myriad of other fun toys? I have never piloted one, my view is from the perspective of someone considering one. If this is truely gamebreaking then tell me, I am not suggesting that Titans be dockable just motherships, Titans deserve to never dock. If you launch your own pos, you can deny access to the alliance AND your corp under manage, FYI. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
Silent Vagabond	Posted - 2008.01.16 11:59:00 - [63] Originally by: Auron Shadowbane I really like it whennoobs without game knowledge speak about things they will prolly never attain... I really like it when supposed elite veterans can't manage to use proper grammar when parsing their sentences. It pretty much proves that, while you may have succeeded at EVE better than I ever will (mostly due to how long you've been paying CCP, tbqh), you fail at life by comparison.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:10:00 - [64] lol
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:19:00 - [65] Edited by: Aaron Mirrorsaver on 16/01/2008 12:20:08 as I was saying, launch his own pos... :) safe and sound. Go Hard, or go Home.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:20:00 - [66] I do manage my own POS, I know about cloaking and logoff tactics very well, I am a lowsec POS runner after all What I am addressing is the want to have 1 account and 1 charecter, whilst needing to have an alt dedicated to running my most powerful ship, thats my issue. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:25:00 - [67] lol @ op, get a pos and stop crying like a baby, tbh we dont care if u never get one.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:27:00 - [68] Originally by: Kirjava I do manage my own POS, I know about cloaking and logoff tactics very well, I am a lowsec POS runner after all What I am addressing is the want to have 1 account and 1 charecter, whilst needing to have an alt dedicated to running my most powerful ship, thats my issue. Well that's the thing, you don't need an alt unless you are using it outside it's "natural home": A large alliance. --- MOZO
Kuranta	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Kirjava I do manage my own POS, I know about cloaking and logoff tactics very well, I am a lowsec POS runner after all What I am addressing is the want to have 1 account and 1 charecter, whilst needing to have an alt dedicated to running my most powerful ship, thats my issue. So, you should actually include a "I want to be able to jump without a cyno alt / friend." in your Petition. Otherwiese you won't be able to do that 1 account / 1 char thing.
Jessica Lorelei Minmatar Decimus Corp FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:29:00 - [70] the problem i have with the idea that a ms is an aliance toy, is that in effect, the player becomes alliance property, whereas before they were an alliance member, now they cannot really do much unless alliance says so...example...hey jessi come and play eve today we need your ms....no not today jessi you cant play we dont need you :P....this is all an untrue thing. MS is a soloable ship, as others have stated, get your own pos, if you can afford a MS, you can afford to keep and fuel a deathstar pos no problem. also i agree with the people that say its like buying a ferrari and finding the doors wont lock lol its odd at best.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.16 12:31:00 - [71] Edited by: Kirjava on 16/01/2008 12:33:00 Originally by: Steve Hawkings lol @ op, get a pos and stop crying like a baby, tbh we dont care if u never get one. LOL at the forum noob that didnt read the post above this posted 5 miniutes previous. Originally by: Kuranta So, you should actually include a "I want to be able to jump without a cyno alt / friend." in your Petition. Otherwiese you won't be able to do that 1 account / 1 char thing. No, I have no problems realy with this, Alliance teritory mostly has Cyno beacons anyway and noone should fly a MS by itself to begin with for combat. What I am asking for is the dock it up and switch ships from Mothership to something more appropriate to the matter at hand. ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Fr34ky	Posted - 2008.01.16 13:46:00 - [72] How about making npc stations charge you for the hassle of docking your mothership. And in the case of outposts or conquerable stations, have an additional addon to be purchased in order for them to be able to dock.

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