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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li OOoh - here's an idea...
put trial accounts on the test server.... where they can try things out, but never be on the TQ server...
yea good idea then when their trial is up they have to uninstall and reinstall again......
sorry it wont work :P
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2008.01.21 17:43:00 -
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Didn't read the thread, but I thought I would say that I petitioned two spammers and 5 minutes later they where silent.
So petitioning, Under the right category does work.
However, be warned that when they are silenced: "Its so strange, its like when I turn my computer off at night... an unearthly silence".
Anyway, mainly thought I would point out, it does work!
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.01.21 17:55:00 -
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I still think that characters farming the isk should be banned to make the cost of isk prohibitively high, if it was possible to make 1bil isk = 1,000$ then buyers for large amounts of isk would dry up.
I also belive that 4000 of the current logged in players are infact isk farmers. -------------
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CCP Wrangler

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Posted - 2008.01.21 17:57:00 -
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If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.01.21 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Well your feeling is wrong, I have made dozens of ISK reports, but it takes waaay too much time to report and there isn't even a section under petitions about isk sellers. So the 1st time you report someone, it is a bit of a guess where to go and what to do.
Under harassment is the option for Isk Spammers in the second line there when you sleect what your petition is about. It has been there since about the time of the great trinity patch.
Petitioning works. I had a few spamming in my ice mining system, and they stopped once the petitions went in. Of course, everytime i get one of those surveys about how i would rate their petitions, I mention that their isk spammer war should be more visible to the masses... of course, if the isk spammers knew just how uphill the battle was, they might back off. heres to dreaming! --------------------------
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2008.01.21 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
IMO it should not be the players/customers responsibly to 24x7 use the petition every single isk seller they see, you and I know the problem only gets worse by the month between Trading channels, Jita local and Help channel, the list goes on and on ..
Its be requested time and time again that 14day players have no or limited access to the channels, or have channel admins to can block them in the channel.
From what I can see very little has been done, seems like its got alot worse then it has improved.
I'm sure its not an easy job, but deflecting the responsibly to the players to "police" the channels is unacceptable. That's CCPs responsibly from the way I look at it.
Week after week its just another thread just like this, players have been asking for the same thing over and over since I have been playing eve (15months). Maybe its me, but I don't simply get why this problem that seems to be going on for years, has never been fixed.
From the past thread's I have read, the answer I and others look for, has never been fully answered and a time line put in place to either stop or limit the amount of ISK spammers.
Maybe I am asking for to much, but something needs to be done, weather you want to admit or not .. 
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Darth Achari
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Posted - 2008.01.21 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
And watch while they are still ingame week after week later, this why many have given up petitioning and why many farmers/macro's have been in game over two years 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.21 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 21/01/2008 19:31:13
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Well yes, but I think you've overlooked one of the basest requests in this thread. Make it easier to petition spammers/sellers. The petition system is clunky and slow and long winded; absolutely fine for when you've got a bug, or have a major problem, but a major pain if you need to use it every 10 minutes. If I petitioned every spammer/seller that I really should do every time I fly through a busy Empire system, I'd not actually have any time left for playing the game.
And fact is, I haven't petitioned one of the buggers in years. It just gets too tedious and too depressing, and I don't log in to a game in order to fill out paper work for GMs.
Add a "quick report" setting for isk sellers, and you'll find that your isk seller petition box will be overflowing with genuine candidates in no time. Add a penalty for obvious misuse, and you're well away. It'd be a big help in combating what is genuinely one of the worst things about MMO gaming these days. ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
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Bunny Wunny
Gallente Freelancer Union The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
I get about 3-4 of these A DAY, I did report them when I first started getting them, but now its just another little annoyance and I delete em insted why not just have a report function like you have for the forums? WAY faster for us so 110% more likely to happen!
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.01.21 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX
Week after week its just another thread just like this, players have been asking for the same thing over and over since I have been playing eve (15months). Maybe its me, but I don't simply get why this problem that seems to be going on for years, has never been fixed.
Welcome to eve.
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FuQue
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:02:00 -
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My guess is that the GM's are too busy with other things to track down ISK sellers. It's a sad realization that there is just too many ISK sellers to deal with, so their priority in things is pretty much down at 0 on a scale of 1 - 10. Making things easier for users to report them won't do any good, as the petitions are basically ignored in the first place.
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Dhip C
Minmatubbies
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Well yes, but I think you've overlooked one of the basest requests in this thread. Make it easier to petition spammers/sellers. The petition system is clunky and slow and long winded; absolutely fine for when you've got a bug, or have a major problem, but a major pain if you need to use it every 10 minutes. If I petitioned every spammer/seller that I really should do every time I fly through a busy Empire system, I'd not actually have any time left for playing the game.
And fact is, I haven't petitioned one of the buggers in years. It just gets too tedious and too depressing, and I don't log in to a game in order to fill out paper work for GMs.
Add a "quick report" setting for isk sellers, and you'll find that your isk seller petition box will be overflowing with genuine candidates in no time. Add a penalty for obvious misuse, and you're well away. It'd be a big help in combating what is genuinely one of the worst things about MMO gaming these days.
Not only is it time consuming to send a petition, once you open a petition window you cant even go back to the mail in question without closing the petition. Petitioning should be done through the IGB or detachable window so that your not completely out of game when petitioning.
Yes I know you can petition via secure eve site but that's annoying.
Once in mail UI there should be report user option.
Make it so...
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Darth Achari
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:30:00 -
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they just need to add a rightclick -->report function where when you click on the chars name and use said function it sends the last message they have spammed so that the evidence is included with the report
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:45:00 -
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How about adding isk spammers as a new category in the petition system and remove the cap for how many open petitions you can have of that type?
Then maybe take it one step further so you get dedicated input fields for the player name, channel and spam message similar to how stuck petitions work? Not only would it be dead easy to raise a petition, the GMs could easily close all petitions related to a specific user as soon as the job is done.
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PSA1SWIPE
Caldari Bladerunners
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:53:00 -
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people who still want to buy google teh website et voila
rain down hell on isk buyers = less demand etc blah blah
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1ncinerate
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.22 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Yeah, but there is that many of them, especially in the starting corps, that you'd be filling out petitions more then actually playing the game. It gets to a point where you give up petitioning them. I don't even participate in the corp channel anymore because it is being constantly spammed by bots and I really think this has a negaive impact on the community. Lumping all the trial accounts of all races into one channel, and the rookie channel for when they need help, sounds like it might help the situation somewhat.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Hee heee heeee heee... haaa haaa haaa haaa
Yeah, I've been through that route.
I petitioned "dong china" about ten thousand times, he's a blatant ISK seller (check contracts) yet he remains.
No offense but I lost faith in the petition system, not to mention some GM's fail to read my entire petition when I try to petition them and they think I somehow got scammed and that there is nothing I can do, when I said nothing of the sort in the petition, or petition title.
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Engineer Butters
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Find it difficult to understand why it should take me longer to report an ISK seller than it takes them to spam me :)
Should it not be hardier for a ISK seller than your community members Wrangler - a program is easier and probably more welcome by the population then just saying you - the victim should be punished even more by us not providing an easier way to help the community enjoy a better gaming experience.
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Falgoria
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Posted - 2008.01.22 04:29:00 -
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What i think CCP should do is have Admins/GM's patrolling the chat, say a npc corp or rookie help and as soon as they see a gold seller WAM pull out there capital sized ban gun and shoot :D
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.22 04:34:00 -
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I don't understand why CCP refuses to give well known chat regulars moderator status. Even if some of them abuse their powers, it can't be more annoying than isk seller spam. It's a lot easier to hold accountable people who have stuff to lose
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana How about adding isk spammers as a new category in the petition system and remove the cap for how many open petitions you can have of that type?
Then maybe take it one step further so you get dedicated input fields for the player name, channel and spam message similar to how stuck petitions work? Not only would it be dead easy to raise a petition, the GMs could easily close all petitions related to a specific user as soon as the job is done.
Sorry for quoting myself but I just noticed that some dev must have read the above as it now has been implemented to 100%.
Your new anti spam weapon can be found here: Petition -> Rules & Policies -> Isk Spammers
The spammers I reported soo far has been removed within seconds.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:12:00 -
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There is now a specific petition category for ISK sellers, which makes it alot clearer where to file the petition, and gets a fast response.
Giving people their own "opt-out" setting to disable receiving messages from Trial accounts would certainly increase the burden on ISK sellers.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
The spammers I reported soo far got a new trial account within seconds.
There we go, fixed that for you. -
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Ikonz
Hyrule Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li Edited by: Agent Li on 16/01/2008 19:26:47
1. Put more limits on trial characters, especially concerning chat channels (limit them to Help only).
and make help a channel dedicated to chatting between noobs because they can't chat elsewhere. Brilliant.
Quote: 2. Get rid of alts. This would limit isk transfer cutout characters (which I'm sure they use) to paid accounts - making the sale of isk more expensive.
And have CCP lose half its income if not more? Brilliant.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
The spammers I reported soo far got a new trial account within seconds.
There we go, fixed that for you.
Yes but now we PvS on equal terms, they can create a new trial account in seconds but we can have it banned in seconds as well, and this time without clogging up the petition system. And btw, the respawn rate of the guys I have had banned soo far seems rather low.
So if you don't like this improvement, maybe you should consider a new sig.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Apocryphai on 26/01/2008 11:24:22
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Oh come on Wrangler, don't insult us.
This is your petition system that locks up the client while it tries to send the petition yes? The same petition system that is answered by what appear to be badly-coded software routines (I refuse to believe actual humans can be so useless)? The same petition system that requires several minutes to create a petition, every time? The same petition system that regardless of how many times you report an ISK seller on they're still there months later?
If we were to petition every single ISK selling spammer in, ooh for instance the Rookie Help channel we'd never actually have time to PLAY.
ISK selling spam is a plague in EVE at the moment. Newbie systems and chat channels are flooded with them yet CCP seem to make precisely zero effort to rectify the situation and instead imply that it's the PLAYERS fault for not spending all of our playing time reporting ISK selling spammers through a completely ineffectual and poorly designed petition system.
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Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Apocryphai Whine
Scroll up to post 51 and 52 and try again.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 21/01/2008 19:31:13
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Well yes, but I think you've overlooked one of the basest requests in this thread. Make it easier to petition spammers/sellers. The petition system is clunky and slow and long winded; absolutely fine for when you've got a bug, or have a major problem, but a major pain if you need to use it every 10 minutes. If I petitioned every spammer/seller that I really should do every time I fly through a busy Empire system, I'd not actually have any time left for playing the game.
And fact is, I haven't petitioned one of the buggers in years. It just gets too tedious and too depressing, and I don't log in to a game in order to fill out paper work for GMs.
Add a "quick report" setting for isk sellers, and you'll find that your isk seller petition box will be overflowing with genuine candidates in no time. Add a penalty for obvious misuse, and you're well away. It'd be a big help in combating what is genuinely one of the worst things about MMO gaming these days.
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Lana Lusk
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:42:00 -
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The best solution to stop selling is to ban buyer. You buy isk? you'll loose your account. Simple and effective.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:49:00 -
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While I think that CCP is still doing a good job cutting down the ISK buyers, I would like to see the efforts made transparent. I really would like to see a "Hall of Shame". Everyone who is a confirmed ISK Buyer, gets his Character a permanent place in this hall. There could also be more punishments, like flagging all the players characters, so that Concord will not come to their help, when they are aggressed in "safe space".
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