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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:20:00 -
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I am sure there are many ISK threads around here, simply because it is a very annoying problem that everyone has to deal with.
ISK sellers spam and spam, it is a poison.
Now I feel that CCP is not doing anything about it.
I left the game for months and on my return, nothing is changed, or actually, it did change, for the worse.
New graphics engine, yes nice, or actually not really THAT nice at all, cant use AA, and everything looks crappy without it.
Anyway, back to isk selling, a simple tool that will help for sure :
Right click the isk seller, and in addition to "block" you can choose "report isk seller", which automatically generates a report with the offending text, you can review it, and then send it to ccp. The ISK seller automatically gets blocked for the player that reported him ( just like you would use the block option ).
CCP puts some alarm in their system, so that when a player gets 5 or more reports, they check it. They see they indeed said something about ISK selling and CCP deletes the account.
Some other small measures they could do :
Trial accounts are limited to send 5 mails per day
Trial accounts can not post clickable links
Automatically slow down spammers, like not allowing 3 messages in less then 0.5 seconds.
Or for example not allowing to say the same line more then once in a row.
I am sure CCP can think of more measures, but plz do something about it. It is not fun when your convo gets interrupted with a wall of spam from isk sellers.
Greetz
CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Retired @ Bors DAoC / Atlantic UO / Sunstrider WoW / Valcyn SWG / Snowbourn LOTRO / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars |
Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:25:00 -
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It's not as easy to prevent isk farming or isk selling as you think.
A couple of suggestions that have been made before:
1. Put more limits on trial characters, especially concerning chat channels (limit them to Help only).
2. Limit trial characters to isk transfers of 1 million isk per day (including sales and purchase of market items and contracts). This would limit isk transfer cutout characters (which I'm sure they use) to paid accounts - making the sale of isk more expensive.
3. More in-depth investigation of isk transfers between characters - probably data mining.
4. Investigate isk farmer characters, and see who they transfer isk with.
But, even with that, isk farming and selling will continue as long as people buy isk...
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Abyssal Angel
Caldari
Solar Wind
STELLAR LEGION
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:32:00 -
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This is a very good idea.
Have right clicking pop up 2 options under report:
report isk selling
report spammin
This coupled with an automatically block of the character would provide CCP with tons of reports that they are now not getting as people are weary of the current process.
Make it easier, let it mimic the forums, and implement it now!
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 Originally by: CCP PrismX
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Zev'Nar
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:58:00 -
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Quote:
Right click the isk seller, and in addition to "block" you can choose "report isk seller",
Just like in WoW  
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stupid flanders
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:10:00 -
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I just want to be able t block them with out them going into my buddies list. I want to BLOCK them not know when they log on and off ffs!
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:14:00 -
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Right now, I'd be happy if trial accounts couldn't apply to join a corporation. I get numerous ISK Spams a day from would-be recruits, most of whom I'm sure didn't pay for their account.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado
Right now, I'd be happy if trial accounts couldn't apply to join a corporation. I get numerous ISK Spams a day from would-be recruits, most of whom I'm sure didn't pay for their account.
That's where I see most of the spam. And it's a PITA to fill out petitions over and over and over again.
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Ryuu Katsu
YTiRi Directorate
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:18:00 -
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Adding endless amounts of "xcvjsofiu's" and "adsfjaofagh" names into you block list doesn't help anyone. It's a gruelling and tiering task to constantly add people and maintain the list, henche not a solution.
Now gold sellers are not much of a problem in 0.0 as far as spamming goes, but as soon as you get into Empire or bring up the trade or help channel you're constantly badgered by these.
They are not to bothersome to begin with, but with time it starts becoming a real nuisance.
What CCP needs to do is a simple thing, it's to simply add a filter available for people to use. Seeing as someone mentioned WoW earlier, for that game a 3rd party has made an add-on that filters out all gold selling /tells or messages. It simply looks for text sent containing known gold seller sites, and uses simple syntaxes to filter out scrambled versions of the addresses of those names.
If a 3rd party can easily make it as an add-on for WoW, why on earth are CCP not able to do the same and implement one available for use for it's players!? It even included an automated report function if the user is interested in taking it further.
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Alowishus
Pastry Coalition
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:32:00 -
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This is pointless. You'll be blocking, and telling CCP to ban, trial accounts that will be gone in 14 days anyway.
CCP should just ***** down harder on ISK buyers. People who buy ISK probably have much more to lose than people who make and sell ISK through trial accounts. No market for ISK, no ISK sales. If you think of the ISK sellers as the egg the problem is unsolvable, endless tail chasing. But if you think ISK buyers as the egg then it's much easier to deal with. The potential number of trial accounts is unlimited, the potential number of ISK buyers is limited and will shrink as examples are made. The ISK sellers will follow the same trend.
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Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:56:00 -
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That's what I've been saying for a while: start banning ISK buyers.
Announce a 1-week amnesty: turn yourself in, the ISK is removed, nothing goes on your permanent record
After that: get caught buying ISK = you lose your account.
Publicise the names of the characters which are banned as a consequence (I bet there will be some surprises in that list... and a number of much less surprising names).
Pretty quickly, you will get a LOT less ISK being bought.
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Ryuu Katsu
YTiRi Directorate
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Posted - 2008.01.16 21:06:00 -
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Why not have both, CCP add a filter that can be tagged on or off, I can't imagine it being that hard to program. I've done similar stuff in the past myself.
Come down like a sledgehammer on ISK buyers, that should shrink the demand for "illegal" ISK considerably. The idea for a week grace period and then name and shame and ban sounds just fine by me. A further deterrant still to buying ISK.
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Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:33:00 -
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You guys don't give CCP enough credit. I have various noobcorp alts, and report all isk sellers as soon as they post their ads to chat. CCP for the most part replies to my petitions within minutes, most times in less than 5 minutes, and many times within two.
I have a feeling that the OP is one of those people that don't bother to petition ISK sellers, and instead block them from chat. Report isk sellers under a Rules & Policies/Harassment petition and watch them get banned almost immediately.
Stop being part of the problem and stop whining about something that is easily addressed by community participation. Sure it would be easier to report them from a right click interface option but that would also make it easier for the function to be abused. Just deal with ISK sellers as a fact of life in any MMO and spend the 30 seconds it takes to Copy a line out of local or NPC corp chat into a petition and file it, rather than posting a complaint thread in eve-o where it will get lost in the noise of the rabble.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.17 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Smakko
You guys don't give CCP enough credit. I have various noobcorp alts, and report all isk sellers as soon as they post their ads to chat. CCP for the most part replies to my petitions within minutes, most times in less than 5 minutes, and many times within two.
I have a feeling that the OP is one of those people that don't bother to petition ISK sellers, and instead block them from chat. Report isk sellers under a Rules & Policies/Harassment petition and watch them get banned almost immediately.
Stop being part of the problem and stop whining about something that is easily addressed by community participation. Sure it would be easier to report them from a right click interface option but that would also make it easier for the function to be abused. Just deal with ISK sellers as a fact of life in any MMO and spend the 30 seconds it takes to Copy a line out of local or NPC corp chat into a petition and file it, rather than posting a complaint thread in eve-o where it will get lost in the noise of the rabble.
Well your feeling is wrong, I have made dozens of ISK reports, but it takes waaay too much time to report and there isn't even a section under petitions about isk sellers. So the 1st time you report someone, it is a bit of a guess where to go and what to do.
So, if it takes 30 seconds to report someone, and every 5 minutes you get isk spam, I am sorry, but that is a bit too much of time to invest, how am I gonna get any playing done?. The process is just too cumbersome.
And yes CCP takes action when you file a petition, that is why I suggested this in the 1st place.
Also hard measures against ISK buyers is a good idea.
Greetings
CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Retired @ Bors DAoC / Atlantic UO / Sunstrider WoW / Valcyn SWG / Snowbourn LOTRO / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars |
Davos Breemer
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Posted - 2008.01.17 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Smakko
I have a feeling that the OP is one of those people that don't bother to petition ISK sellers, and instead block them from chat. Report isk sellers under a Rules & Policies/Harassment petition and watch them get banned almost immediately.
Stop being part of the problem and stop whining about something that is easily addressed by community participation. Sure it would be easier to report them from a right click interface option but that would also make it easier for the function to be abused. Just deal with ISK sellers as a fact of life in any MMO and spend the 30 seconds it takes to Copy a line out of local or NPC corp chat into a petition and file it, rather than posting a complaint thread in eve-o where it will get lost in the noise of the rabble.
The right-click report/block actually works very well. It saves the customers and CCP time as well as building a database of terms that ISK sellers use so that CCP can build a spam block for it. If it does get abused by players that will be noted as well and those players will also get a ban.
The present system works but I'm surprised that there is resistance to making it better.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:32:00 -
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Its the same crap day in day out on the forums regarding ISK spammers, lots promised to some extent but yet I've seen no improvement with less Isk channel spamming. CCP are not stupid, some times you have the wonder really why they let it continue on the scale ISK spammers spam 24x7 in the channels.
Seems like players have asked time and time again for something to be done.. but from what I can tell very little has been done.
Its just another Isk spammer thread that will go unnoticed and CCP won't answer 
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Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Davos Breemer
The present system works but I'm surprised that there is resistance to making it better.
The only real resistance to making the system better is from CCP itself. They are the ones who have failed to implement a better system for the user community to report ISK sellers.
Until that time comes, take advantage of the fact that any petitions regarding isk sellers are responded to immediately by the GMs. Yes, filing a petition takes 20 seconds, but do it anyways. Spouting BS like "oh the ISK sellers come back every 5 minutes" is nonsense. I've been in RMS for quite some time, and some days when I'm on my alt, I'm the only one reporting isk sellers out of hundreds of people in corp. I will go afk for some time, then come back to my screen to see that a single isk seller has been spamming for over 30 minutes. That means for 30 minutes, not a single person in the entirety of RMS reported the guy properly. They either didn't notice, or simply blocked the spam, adding an isk seller to a block list who'll be in game less than 14 days, because they couldn't be bothered to spend 10-20 seconds to file a petition.
When the time comes that CCP stops acting like an idiot when it comes to discouraging illegal isk sellers, support the GMs by doing your part. I see this kind of thread once a month. EvE isn't perfect, big surprise. People buy isk illegally, farmers advertise isk sales to noobs, CCP fails to respond adequately with software features that could encourage the player community to report illegal isk selling activity.
Spending a couple minutes a day filing petitions is hardly a crimp in your playtime. Besides, there would be no market for these people if people instead bought their isk legally by selling GTCs in-game, rather than buying isk from farmers.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:57:00 -
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WoW has it, it's easy, it's better then 'Ignore' function, it works. But it's not very efficient if you consider the modus operandi of gold/ISK spammers.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.21 09:34:00 -
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Well, our company has had junkmail problems for quite some time. We worked on it tho and now we have a system where 99% of the junkmail gets caught, with only 0.001% of false positives. Thing is our employees could see we were doing something about it. We informed them of new anti-spam software, updates, changes, custom filters and we educated the people so they knew what they themselves could do.
The ISK selling stuff is to me pretty much the same, you can fight it, but only if you do something about it and inform/educate the players, I don't see any of that happening, and as a new player you are lost to what you have to do to report ISK spam. ( besides right-click block, but that is not reporting ).
Greetings
CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Retired @ DAoC / UO / WoW / SWG / LOTRO / Diablo I - II / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars / EQ |
Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.21 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Well, our company has had junkmail problems for quite some time. We worked on it tho and now we have a system where 99% of the junkmail gets caught, with only 0.001% of false positives. Thing is our employees could see we were doing something about it. We informed them of new anti-spam software, updates, changes, custom filters and we educated the people so they knew what they themselves could do.
The ISK selling stuff is to me pretty much the same, you can fight it, but only if you do something about it and inform/educate the players, I don't see any of that happening, and as a new player you are lost to what you have to do to report ISK spam. ( besides right-click block, but that is not reporting ).
Greetings
The problem is that the spammers aren't also your employees in your case, thus informing your company only has benefits. If the spammers would be IN your company and you'd inform them of what and how you are coping with it, they'd know how to work around it.
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Lunch Money
Teylas Inc.
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.21 12:12:00 -
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Its getting worse and worse that true. Now they even put application spaming adverts about selling isk.
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fugimi
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Posted - 2008.01.21 12:41:00 -
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this is a wonderful idea, one of many that has been suggested.
However, there is one problem with it, and it start by your wrong assumption that ccp prefer channels to be free of isk sellers ads.
from what i'v learned about this subject these are your options:
either give up on this matter and take it up the *cough* ,
join an anger managment program ,
or quit eve.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: fugimi
this is a wonderful idea, one of many that has been suggested.
However, there is one problem with it, and it start by your wrong assumption that ccp prefer channels to be free of isk sellers ads.
from what i'v learned about this subject these are your options:
either give up on this matter and take it up the *cough*,
join an anger managment program,
or quit eve.
I'm sorry...
WHAT?
You're full of it arent you?
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fugimi
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:12:00 -
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lol its the truth i swear it.
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:52:00 -
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While I don't agree with fugimi, I do wonder sometimes how CCP feels about ISK spam.
Actions speak louder than words after all.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado
Right now, I'd be happy if trial accounts couldn't apply to join a corporation. I get numerous ISK Spams a day from would-be recruits, most of whom I'm sure didn't pay for their account.
Or at least give corps the option to set this.
But then, like the option to ignore trial accounts not in your address book, this would mean that no new players would every start playing eve, eh CCP?
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Sirex007
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:15:00 -
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why not just add an option to ignore all text from trail accounts ?
or am i missing something that makes this problem complicated ?
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Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise
Enelaise
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:19:00 -
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I propose the following, in line with suggestions here and previous limitations to trial accounts.
- Limit trial account chat. Only allow them to receive private chat requests. Stop them from messaging me.
- Limit trial account channel access. Limit them to read-only in help channel. Stop them from spamming my chanz.
- Limit trial account module usage. Stop them from shoosting my ships.
- Limit trial account ship usage further. Stop them from overtaking my rusty cruiser in a flash mod Gallente Incurzus II.
- Limit trial accounts to 2 days. I don't like them getting to train longer than that for free.
- Limit trial accounts to Eastern Orthodox players only. I want to see exclusive Greek/Balkan trial users for reasons of aesthetic.
- Limit trial accounts to janitors. Only someone who has covered a 3-meter spread vomit with sawdust should be free to appreciate EVE for two days.
- Limit trial accounts to stations. I don't want south-eastern european janitors clogging up my jumpgates.
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fugimi
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sirex007
why not just add an option to ignore all text from trail accounts ?
or am i missing something that makes this problem complicated ?
many good SIMPLE solutions have been suggested over the years to prevent/reduce isk sellers channel and mail spam.
many threads opened and thousends of ppl complained about it.
but ccp didnt do even 1 tiny single action about anything isk selling related.
as the OP of one of the monster threads about isk sellers networks in eve i can honestly say that i belive that those in CCP who decide on these matters, either dont care about it even slightly, or that they do care and want it to continue.
ask urself these questions:
why cant u add an npc starter corp to blocked mail list (or all trial accounts) ? while u can add player corps ?
why r trial accounts allowed to write in channels such as trade channels and ceo channel ? (can trial accounts even start a corp ?)
why isnt there a simple option to report isk sellers spammers in the petition system (or right click like the OP suggested) ?
how come i got isk sellers spam mail from several characters over a week old ? (even though i had 200k CSPA charge)
now imagine all these question asked and ppl requesting somthing to be done about it for a YEAR or 2 YEARS!! from now and still nothing is done to prevent or manage isk selling spam.
what will u think then ?
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:43:00 -
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This is one WOW feature i would like added !!
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:45:00 -
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OOoh - here's an idea...
put trial accounts on the test server.... where they can try things out, but never be on the TQ server...
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
OOoh - here's an idea...
put trial accounts on the test server.... where they can try things out, but never be on the TQ server...
yea good idea then when their trial is up they have to uninstall and reinstall again......
sorry it wont work :P
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2008.01.21 17:43:00 -
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Didn't read the thread, but I thought I would say that I petitioned two spammers and 5 minutes later they where silent.
So petitioning, Under the right category does work.
However, be warned that when they are silenced: "Its so strange, its like when I turn my computer off at night... an unearthly silence".
Anyway, mainly thought I would point out, it does work!
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.01.21 17:55:00 -
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I still think that characters farming the isk should be banned to make the cost of isk prohibitively high, if it was possible to make 1bil isk = 1,000$ then buyers for large amounts of isk would dry up.
I also belive that 4000 of the current logged in players are infact isk farmers.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.21 17:57:00 -
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If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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brinelan
Caldari
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.01.21 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Well your feeling is wrong, I have made dozens of ISK reports, but it takes waaay too much time to report and there isn't even a section under petitions about isk sellers. So the 1st time you report someone, it is a bit of a guess where to go and what to do.
Under harassment is the option for Isk Spammers in the second line there when you sleect what your petition is about. It has been there since about the time of the great trinity patch.
Petitioning works. I had a few spamming in my ice mining system, and they stopped once the petitions went in. Of course, everytime i get one of those surveys about how i would rate their petitions, I mention that their isk spammer war should be more visible to the masses... of course, if the isk spammers knew just how uphill the battle was, they might back off. heres to dreaming!
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2008.01.21 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
IMO it should not be the players/customers responsibly to 24x7 use the petition every single isk seller they see, you and I know the problem only gets worse by the month between Trading channels, Jita local and Help channel, the list goes on and on ..
Its be requested time and time again that 14day players have no or limited access to the channels, or have channel admins to can block them in the channel.
From what I can see very little has been done, seems like its got alot worse then it has improved.
I'm sure its not an easy job, but deflecting the responsibly to the players to "police" the channels is unacceptable. That's CCPs responsibly from the way I look at it.
Week after week its just another thread just like this, players have been asking for the same thing over and over since I have been playing eve (15months). Maybe its me, but I don't simply get why this problem that seems to be going on for years, has never been fixed.
From the past thread's I have read, the answer I and others look for, has never been fully answered and a time line put in place to either stop or limit the amount of ISK spammers.
Maybe I am asking for to much, but something needs to be done, weather you want to admit or not .. 
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Darth Achari
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Posted - 2008.01.21 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
And watch while they are still ingame week after week later, this why many have given up petitioning and why many farmers/macro's have been in game over two years 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.21 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 21/01/2008 19:31:13
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Well yes, but I think you've overlooked one of the basest requests in this thread. Make it easier to petition spammers/sellers. The petition system is clunky and slow and long winded; absolutely fine for when you've got a bug, or have a major problem, but a major pain if you need to use it every 10 minutes. If I petitioned every spammer/seller that I really should do every time I fly through a busy Empire system, I'd not actually have any time left for playing the game.
And fact is, I haven't petitioned one of the buggers in years. It just gets too tedious and too depressing, and I don't log in to a game in order to fill out paper work for GMs.
Add a "quick report" setting for isk sellers, and you'll find that your isk seller petition box will be overflowing with genuine candidates in no time. Add a penalty for obvious misuse, and you're well away. It'd be a big help in combating what is genuinely one of the worst things about MMO gaming these days.
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There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
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Bunny Wunny
Gallente
Freelancer Union
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
I get about 3-4 of these A DAY, I did report them when I first started getting them, but now its just another little annoyance and I delete em insted
why not just have a report function like you have for the forums? WAY faster for us so 110% more likely to happen!
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.01.21 20:43:00 -
[40]
Originally by: F90OEX
Week after week its just another thread just like this, players have been asking for the same thing over and over since I have been playing eve (15months). Maybe its me, but I don't simply get why this problem that seems to be going on for years, has never been fixed.
Welcome to eve.
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FuQue
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:02:00 -
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My guess is that the GM's are too busy with other things to track down ISK sellers. It's a sad realization that there is just too many ISK sellers to deal with, so their priority in things is pretty much down at 0 on a scale of 1 - 10. Making things easier for users to report them won't do any good, as the petitions are basically ignored in the first place.
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Dhip C
Minmatubbies
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Well yes, but I think you've overlooked one of the basest requests in this thread. Make it easier to petition spammers/sellers. The petition system is clunky and slow and long winded; absolutely fine for when you've got a bug, or have a major problem, but a major pain if you need to use it every 10 minutes. If I petitioned every spammer/seller that I really should do every time I fly through a busy Empire system, I'd not actually have any time left for playing the game.
And fact is, I haven't petitioned one of the buggers in years. It just gets too tedious and too depressing, and I don't log in to a game in order to fill out paper work for GMs.
Add a "quick report" setting for isk sellers, and you'll find that your isk seller petition box will be overflowing with genuine candidates in no time. Add a penalty for obvious misuse, and you're well away. It'd be a big help in combating what is genuinely one of the worst things about MMO gaming these days.
Not only is it time consuming to send a petition, once you open a petition window you cant even go back to the mail in question without closing the petition. Petitioning should be done through the IGB or detachable window so that your not completely out of game when petitioning.
Yes I know you can petition via secure eve site but that's annoying.
Once in mail UI there should be report user option.
Make it so...
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Darth Achari
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:30:00 -
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they just need to add a rightclick -->report function where when you click on the chars name and use said function it sends the last message they have spammed so that the evidence is included with the report
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:45:00 -
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How about adding isk spammers as a new category in the petition system and remove the cap for how many open petitions you can have of that type?
Then maybe take it one step further so you get dedicated input fields for the player name, channel and spam message similar to how stuck petitions work? Not only would it be dead easy to raise a petition, the GMs could easily close all petitions related to a specific user as soon as the job is done.
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PSA1SWIPE
Caldari
Bladerunners
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Posted - 2008.01.21 22:53:00 -
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people who still want to buy google teh website et voila
rain down hell on isk buyers = less demand etc blah blah
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1ncinerate
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.22 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Yeah, but there is that many of them, especially in the starting corps, that you'd be filling out petitions more then actually playing the game. It gets to a point where you give up petitioning them. I don't even participate in the corp channel anymore because it is being constantly spammed by bots and I really think this has a negaive impact on the community. Lumping all the trial accounts of all races into one channel, and the rookie channel for when they need help, sounds like it might help the situation somewhat.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Hee heee heeee heee... haaa haaa haaa haaa
Yeah, I've been through that route.
I petitioned "dong china" about ten thousand times, he's a blatant ISK seller (check contracts) yet he remains.
No offense but I lost faith in the petition system, not to mention some GM's fail to read my entire petition when I try to petition them and they think I somehow got scammed and that there is nothing I can do, when I said nothing of the sort in the petition, or petition title.
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Engineer Butters
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Posted - 2008.01.22 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Find it difficult to understand why it should take me longer to report an ISK seller than it takes them to spam me :)
Should it not be hardier for a ISK seller than your community members Wrangler - a program is easier and probably more welcome by the population then just saying you - the victim should be punished even more by us not providing an easier way to help the community enjoy a better gaming experience.
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Falgoria
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Posted - 2008.01.22 04:29:00 -
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What i think CCP should do is have Admins/GM's patrolling the chat, say a npc corp or rookie help and as soon as they see a gold seller WAM pull out there capital sized ban gun and shoot :D
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.22 04:34:00 -
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I don't understand why CCP refuses to give well known chat regulars moderator status. Even if some of them abuse their powers, it can't be more annoying than isk seller spam. It's a lot easier to hold accountable people who have stuff to lose
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
How about adding isk spammers as a new category in the petition system and remove the cap for how many open petitions you can have of that type?
Then maybe take it one step further so you get dedicated input fields for the player name, channel and spam message similar to how stuck petitions work? Not only would it be dead easy to raise a petition, the GMs could easily close all petitions related to a specific user as soon as the job is done.
Sorry for quoting myself but I just noticed that some dev must have read the above as it now has been implemented to 100%.
Your new anti spam weapon can be found here:
Petition -> Rules & Policies -> Isk Spammers
The spammers I reported soo far has been removed within seconds.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:12:00 -
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There is now a specific petition category for ISK sellers, which makes it alot clearer where to file the petition, and gets a fast response.
Giving people their own "opt-out" setting to disable receiving messages from Trial accounts would certainly increase the burden on ISK sellers.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
The spammers I reported soo far got a new trial account within seconds.
There we go, fixed that for you.
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Ikonz
Hyrule Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Edited by: Agent Li on 16/01/2008 19:26:47
1. Put more limits on trial characters, especially concerning chat channels (limit them to Help only).
and make help a channel dedicated to chatting between noobs because they can't chat elsewhere. Brilliant.
Quote:
2. Get rid of alts. This would limit isk transfer cutout characters (which I'm sure they use) to paid accounts - making the sale of isk more expensive.
And have CCP lose half its income if not more? Brilliant.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
The spammers I reported soo far got a new trial account within seconds.
There we go, fixed that for you.
Yes but now we PvS on equal terms, they can create a new trial account in seconds but we can have it banned in seconds as well, and this time without clogging up the petition system. And btw, the respawn rate of the guys I have had banned soo far seems rather low.
So if you don't like this improvement, maybe you should consider a new sig.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Apocryphai on 26/01/2008 11:24:22
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Oh come on Wrangler, don't insult us.
This is your petition system that locks up the client while it tries to send the petition yes?
The same petition system that is answered by what appear to be badly-coded software routines (I refuse to believe actual humans can be so useless)?
The same petition system that requires several minutes to create a petition, every time?
The same petition system that regardless of how many times you report an ISK seller on they're still there months later?
If we were to petition every single ISK selling spammer in, ooh for instance the Rookie Help channel we'd never actually have time to PLAY.
ISK selling spam is a plague in EVE at the moment. Newbie systems and chat channels are flooded with them yet CCP seem to make precisely zero effort to rectify the situation and instead imply that it's the PLAYERS fault for not spending all of our playing time reporting ISK selling spammers through a completely ineffectual and poorly designed petition system.
/facepalm
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Apocryphai
Whine
Scroll up to post 51 and 52 and try again.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Edited by: Patch86 on 21/01/2008 19:31:13
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you encounter an ISK seller, please report it through our petition system.
Well yes, but I think you've overlooked one of the basest requests in this thread. Make it easier to petition spammers/sellers. The petition system is clunky and slow and long winded; absolutely fine for when you've got a bug, or have a major problem, but a major pain if you need to use it every 10 minutes. If I petitioned every spammer/seller that I really should do every time I fly through a busy Empire system, I'd not actually have any time left for playing the game.
And fact is, I haven't petitioned one of the buggers in years. It just gets too tedious and too depressing, and I don't log in to a game in order to fill out paper work for GMs.
Add a "quick report" setting for isk sellers, and you'll find that your isk seller petition box will be overflowing with genuine candidates in no time. Add a penalty for obvious misuse, and you're well away. It'd be a big help in combating what is genuinely one of the worst things about MMO gaming these days.
This.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:42:00 -
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The best solution to stop selling is to ban buyer.
You buy isk? you'll loose your account. Simple and effective.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:49:00 -
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While I think that CCP is still doing a good job cutting down the ISK buyers, I would like to see the efforts made transparent. I really would like to see a "Hall of Shame". Everyone who is a confirmed ISK Buyer, gets his Character a permanent place in this hall. There could also be more punishments, like flagging all the players characters, so that Concord will not come to their help, when they are aggressed in "safe space".
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.01.26 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
The spammers I reported soo far got a new trial account within seconds.
There we go, fixed that for you.
Yes but now we PvS on equal terms, they can create a new trial account in seconds but we can have it banned in seconds as well, and this time without clogging up the petition system. And btw, the respawn rate of the guys I have had banned soo far seems rather low.
So if you don't like this improvement, maybe you should consider a new sig.
Your final comment suggests:
1. You think the current system is perfect.
2. Anyone that thinks the system can be improved should not suggest ways of doing so.
Are you that silly, or was it just a cheap shot you did not think through?
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.26 12:24:00 -
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well, as a world of warcraft player (don't look at me like that!), i can only say that eve ain't the only game with this problem, wow do try to do something, they have added a "report spam" option, but the problem is, the isk sellers make new chars faster than CCP can get to look and ban an account, same goes for wow, sometimes you even find 2 or 3 bots standing and spamming for the same gold selling site, next to each other..
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2008.01.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Omega Man
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
The spammers I reported soo far got a new trial account within seconds.
There we go, fixed that for you.
Yes but now we PvS on equal terms, they can create a new trial account in seconds but we can have it banned in seconds as well, and this time without clogging up the petition system. And btw, the respawn rate of the guys I have had banned soo far seems rather low.
So if you don't like this improvement, maybe you should consider a new sig.
Your final comment suggests:
1. You think the current system is perfect.
2. Anyone that thinks the system can be improved should not suggest ways of doing so.
Are you that silly, or was it just a cheap shot you did not think through?
No but your silly edit made it sound as if this was a step in the WRONG direction.
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2008.01.26 14:04:00 -
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ITT lots of posters who have no concept of CCPs business model suggest that CCP sabotage trial accounts.
Without trial accounts you don't get new player. Without new players CCP, and EVE, die.
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