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jitabomber	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:40:00 - [1] Edited by: jitabomber on 17/01/2008 08:43:11 Ok since the question was never really answered by CCP and the thread is closed down. Last post was made in june of 2007. My question to CCP GM's is, is gathering a group of people together to smart bomb outside of a trade hub and than warp haulers in to scoop the loot a bannable offense if we take the security hit for any damage we do? Of course we would be suicide bombing and losing our own ships. I realize some new players would be caught in the cross fire so to speak but we are generally after the bigger juicier targets. I would really like a clear answer on this as I already have everything planned out. Regards, Jitabomber Coming to a hub near you. -=EDIT=- Link to orginal thread with cryptic gm answer
marketmonkey	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:44:00 - [2] I dont think you can smart-bomb by station or gates anymore. Im pretty sure you have to be 5k+ off of a celestial object to use em.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:45:00 - [3] Why would that be a bannable offense? What part of that sounds bannable or like an exploit? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
RnProphet The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:47:00 - [4] Depends on how many ravens you bring, might crash the node with the concord response.
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:02:00 - [5] not a banable offence [probably] as long as you don't recycle characters to do it. you could crash the node though and that will mean you wont get anything ... or very little as it will be free for all when every one logs back in -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & Recruiting
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:02:00 - [6] Hello, Jita Bomber! Let me begin by saying, you cannot actually smartbomb trade hubs. Its impossible actually. You have to be 5000 km off of gates or stations. I will also let you know, you are going to need a hell of a lot of ships with smartbombs to kill anything of any size in Jita. Lastly, why the hell would you possibly think that activating a smartbomb in high-sec would be a bannable offense. -Karlemgne
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:03:00 - [7] i still want to sit 5km off a gate and rip some smarties, wonder how many ap haulers you could get in jita
Starfury Shang Pod Industries New Eden Entertainment	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:05:00 - [8] Edited by: Starfury Shang on 17/01/2008 09:04:59 Originally by: Karlemgne Hello, Jita Bomber! Let me begin by saying, you cannot actually smartbomb trade hubs. Its impossible actually. You have to be 5000 km off of gates or stations. I will also let you know, you are going to need a hell of a lot of ships with smartbombs to kill anything of any size in Jita. Lastly, why the hell would you possibly think that activating a smartbomb in high-sec would be a bannable offense. -Karlemgne 5000km or 5000m?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:06:00 - [9] 5 km 5000m
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:08:00 - [10] I read the original thread. The CCP employees in that thread weren't actually GMs, they were developers. There is a difference. What it seems they are warning you against is smartbombing people in noobie systems. Can baiting noobs, and possibly using smarties in a noob system on noobs is considered griefing. If you did this, you'd probably get a warning. Repeated offenses would get you banned. -Karlemgne
Ting Tong	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:09:00 - [11] IIRC you can not be within 5000 meters But the range of the smart bombs you use should easily catch ships sitting in the undock area. Also, so long as you do this with your 'Main' character and not a new pilot alt that you wouldrecycle, then I don't belive it would be bannable as it is not an exploit or harassement. Becasue you would be accepting the security penalty as a result. BTW, please post the mail you get from the pilots you kill in Crime and Punishment, I am sure you would get some nice ones
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 17/01/2008 09:14:46 Flying craft loaded with explosives... check. Suicidal pilots... check. Large trade hub full of innocent civilians... check. ****************** CCP allows virtual terrorism? Check.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Ting Tong IIRC you can not be within 5000 meters But the range of the smart bombs you use should easily catch ships sitting in the undock area. 5km from station and undock points are what 20-30km away? (at least on the jita 4-4 style station)
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Ting Tong IIRC you can not be within 5000 meters But the range of the smart bombs you use should easily catch ships sitting in the undock area. Yep...a T1 large smartie has a 5KM range. A T2 smartie a 6KM range. Faction/Officer smarties even more although they are WAY too expensive to want to use in a suicide. Position yourself carefully and you can catch everyone in the undock area. I was under the impression this was a bannable offense as well but not sure why (just rumor...I do not recall reading a Dev/GM post on it [which is not to say there wasn't one]).
jitabomber	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:18:00 - [15] No I know it's not a bannable offense to activate a smartbomb in high sec. What I'm wondering and perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Is it bannable to sit just outside of the 5km range and activate the smart bombs to make the ships explode that are undocked, lose my ship to concord and than warp a hauler in to scoop the loot and make a profit. Obliviously would take multiple ships suiciding in order to blow up the other ships since this will not be a direct target suicide. Now since Jita is a 0.9 system it can not be classified a new player system. So If the plan were to come to fruition and I continued to play the character and not dispose of him, how would the GM's declare this. Since it would wreck my security status till such point that I fixed it by ratting or low sec / null sec mission running that I could return to jita and do it again.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Starfury Shang Edited by: Starfury Shang on 17/01/2008 09:04:59 Originally by: Karlemgne Hello, Jita Bomber! Let me begin by saying, you cannot actually smartbomb trade hubs. Its impossible actually. You have to be 5000 km off of gates or stations. I will also let you know, you are going to need a hell of a lot of ships with smartbombs to kill anything of any size in Jita. Lastly, why the hell would you possibly think that activating a smartbomb in high-sec would be a bannable offense. -Karlemgne 5000km or 5000m? 5000m Sorry about that.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:21:00 - [17] Originally by: jitabomber No I know it's not a bannable offense to activate a smartbomb in high sec. What I'm wondering and perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Is it bannable to sit just outside of the 5km range and activate the smart bombs to make the ships explode that are undocked, lose my ship to concord and than warp a hauler in to scoop the loot and make a profit. Obliviously would take multiple ships suiciding in order to blow up the other ships since this will not be a direct target suicide. Now since Jita is a 0.9 system it can not be classified a new player system. So If the plan were to come to fruition and I continued to play the character and not dispose of him, how would the GM's declare this. Since it would wreck my security status till such point that I fixed it by ratting or low sec / null sec mission running that I could return to jita and do it again. No. Griefing a bunch of noobs, say in Ammold by smart bombing them is.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:23:00 - [18] Does smartbombing a wreck kill the wreck? Seems to me if it does and you want the loot the chances of wiping most of the wrecks with the loot using smartbombs is rather good. Note: It is people like the OP why I never go to Jita to pick up anything except in a freighter. Even moving 10k m3 of cheap stuff...just too many jokers (and I happen to base not far from Jita and my hauler ALT can easily AFK slowboat there).
Miniturret Amarr Rum Runners Inc	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:24:00 - [19] hmmm interesting concept. please frapps it when and if you do it so we can watch. makes mental note: do not go near jita any time soon Tired of looking for shops and services see here: Compiled List of Shops, Manufacturers, and Services
ZENZATION MeMento.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: jitabomber No I know it's not a bannable offense to activate a smartbomb in high sec. What I'm wondering and perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Is it bannable to sit just outside of the 5km range and activate the smart bombs to make the ships explode that are undocked, lose my ship to concord and than warp a hauler in to scoop the loot and make a profit. Obliviously would take multiple ships suiciding in order to blow up the other ships since this will not be a direct target suicide. Now since Jita is a 0.9 system it can not be classified a new player system. So If the plan were to come to fruition and I continued to play the character and not dispose of him, how would the GM's declare this. Since it would wreck my security status till such point that I fixed it by ratting or low sec / null sec mission running that I could return to jita and do it again. No. Griefing a bunch of noobs, say in Ammold by smart bombing them is. Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? I very much doubt it, we all pay for this game and if we want to spend our time blowing up newbies then that is the right the game mechanics give us.
SS HITARN Amarr HARDC0RE	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:27:00 - [21] Err ...arnt you overlooking something? wouldn't the smartbombs destroy most of the loot aswell?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:28:00 - [22] Originally by: ZENZATION Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? I very much doubt it, we all pay for this game and if we want to spend our time blowing up newbies then that is the right the game mechanics give us. Well...actual "griefing" is hard to do in EVE. But if, for instance, you do nothing in EVE but chase one particular guy around forever trying to mess his gameplay then that is griefing and CCP will stop you. CCP has also stated that baiting newbies is bannable as would be sitting outside a newbie station and smartbombing them. Note this ONLY applies to newbies in starter systems. I think the reasons for this should be apparent (I hope they are).
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:29:00 - [23] Originally by: SS HITARN Err ...arnt you overlooking something? wouldn't the smartbombs destroy most of the loot aswell? Strangely, smartbombs don't do damage to wrecks or cargo containers. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:34:00 - [24] Originally by: ZENZATION Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? Ok...found it. It almost says that. Here ya go.
ZENZATION MeMento.	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: ZENZATION Since when is griefing a bannable offence? Can someone get me a quote from the EULA? "You may not blow up newbies?" Is that what it says? Ok...found it. It almost says that. Here ya go. omg
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:39:00 - [26] To the OP looks like another player was warned for repeated (note the "repeated" part) smartbombing in Jita. Take it FWIW: Originally by: Miz Cenuij After suiciding 7 bombergeddons per night over a week, I too was placed ona final warning for "griefing" despite a differant GM having told me it was OK a week earlier. I would love to return to mass murder in Jita, but some clarification on the subject is required, lest more people lose thier accounts. NB: I was not recycling characters, all of the attacks were made on my main char. SOURCE: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=511519#5
Miniturret Amarr Rum Runners Inc	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:39:00 - [27] to the above poster. yes that is the definition of griefing but the OP plans to make a profit off of this plan. so therefore by their own definitions it is not griefing. huh i foresee an update coming soon(tm) to their definition of griefing. Tired of looking for shops and services see here: Compiled List of Shops, Manufacturers, and Services
SS HITARN Amarr HARDC0RE	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:44:00 - [28] Edited by: SS HITARN on 17/01/2008 09:45:29 Originally by: EULA A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. . Scoop the cans = lots of profit = not griefing edit typo
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:54:00 - [29] But how are you gonna go about it when you need to be 5000 meters from the perimeter of an object like a station? Unless you can pull people a good 10km away from the station, it wont work.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.17 10:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Miniturret to the above poster. yes that is the definition of griefing but the OP plans to make a profit off of this plan. so therefore by their own definitions it is not griefing. huh i foresee an update coming soon(tm) to their definition of griefing. Technically blowing up newbs can be profitable. Not much profit grant you but you can make some money doing it. Note they leave themselves the loophole big enough to drive an Avatar through with the "At our discretion" part. Also note my quote of Miz Cenuij above where he was smartbombing Jita and got warned. Up to you to sort what that means exactly.
xttz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.17 10:59:00 - [31] The range limit isn't 5000m, but your actual smartbomb range. I tried to use an officer smartbomb on a gate and it told me I needed to be 9km away.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:00:00 - [32] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 17/01/2008 11:04:00 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Miniturret to the above poster. yes that is the definition of griefing but the OP plans to make a profit off of this plan. so therefore by their own definitions it is not griefing. huh i foresee an update coming soon(tm) to their definition of griefing. Technically blowing up newbs can be profitable. Not much profit grant you but you can make some money doing it. Note they leave themselves the loophole big enough to drive an Avatar through with the "At our discretion" part. Also note my quote of Miz Cenuij above where he was smartbombing Jita and got warned. Up to you to sort what that means exactly. No, there is no loopholes. The overall ruling is: that CCP/GM's can ban you for whatever they want, whenever they want. If you don't like it, then it sucks to be you. It all boils down to if a GM thinks your actions (any action) warrant a banning or not, not about taking "similar" cases into account or about your feelings on the subject. Like in the OP's case; if he pulls through with this stunt as is successful he will properly face one or two petitions against him. Then it is the up to the GM to decide the outcome. Personally I don't see anything wrong with smartbombing Jita, but... I'm no GM. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ama-gi	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:08:00 - [33] jita iv - 4 caldari navy has a 'sig radius' or zone of showing 0m to target that is larger than the station model. A 6 or even 7km smartbomb won't let you hit the players undocking when you're showing 5km from the station. It's possible a longer range one could but you're talking about an extremely expensive stunt at this point. There's a reason ccp put in the 5km restriction for activating smarties. I would recommend if you plan to do this that you get onto the test server with a few friends and do some range testing. Not that I recommend doing it at all. I do shop at jita occaisionally u know :-\ -- No love for the Matari
jitabomber	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:21:00 - [34] ris dnalor I will be taking your idea and running with it on the test server later today to find out the ranges and where I have to station myself for optimal effect and if it is even plausible. I'll be back after the tests to inform everyone if it's able to be done.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:41:00 - [35] Originally by: jitabomber ris dnalor I will be taking your idea and running with it on the test server later today to find out the ranges and where I have to station myself for optimal effect and if it is even plausible. I'll be back after the tests to inform everyone if it's able to be done. Make sure to test several smartbombs with difference max ranges
jitabomber	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:47:00 - [36] oh i plan to test it extensively before attempting it on tranq. But looking at it profit wise if i'm able to use standard smartbombs since this is a suicide mission it would be better. time to begin the testing.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:48:00 - [37] Normally I am against Suicide Gankers (though not in the "Ban them! They are Cheating!" way, because honestly the thrill of RUSHING past them with valuable cargo is the high point of a sell run for me LOL!) but honestly Jitabomber...GIVE'EM HELL! +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
EinaruS Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:00:00 - [38] a gm needs to reset concord if you for example smartbomb outside jita m4 station, we did it once in a group and were sort of asked not to do it again but i don't think it's bannable especially since you can already suicide - A finger...especially the middle one, is worth more than any amount of isk
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:00:00 - [39] I don't think that this is possible. If it were there would be whine threads about it all over the forums.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/01/2008 12:24:39 Originally by: Frug Why would that be a bannable offense? What part of that sounds bannable or like an exploit? Probably the part where they crash Jita server for the Concord spam and the wreckage spam. Originally by: jitabomber No I know it's not a bannable offense to activate a smartbomb in high sec. What I'm wondering and perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Is it bannable to sit just outside of the 5km range and activate the smart bombs to make the ships explode that are undocked, lose my ship to concord and than warp a hauler in to scoop the loot and make a profit. Obliviously would take multiple ships suiciding in order to blow up the other ships since this will not be a direct target suicide. Now since Jita is a 0.9 system it can not be classified a new player system. So If the plan were to come to fruition and I continued to play the character and not dispose of him, how would the GM's declare this. Since it would wreck my security status till such point that I fixed it by ratting or low sec / null sec mission running that I could return to jita and do it again. Seriously I don't think it is a bannable offense, but you can try petitioning it in advance (it work better than asking on forum). Even if the GM decision was later changed it should avoid you the eventual ban. I would point that I don't think that smartbombing a busy trade hub will give you much profit. A node death would have high chances to happen and your wrecks would be lost before you could relog.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton i still want to sit 5km off a gate and rip some smarties, wonder how many ap haulers you could get in jita Probably 0. almost all hauler going or leaving Jita are piloted. On the other hand you probably will get some lagged (in this situation really "to death") ships. Leaving Jita 4-4 station 30 seconds of black screen are the minimum time.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Does smartbombing a wreck kill the wreck? Seems to me if it does and you want the loot the chances of wiping most of the wrecks with the loot using smartbombs is rather good. No, smartbombing don't damage the wreck (go figure the difference between a wreck and a person in your gang or your drones for the smartbomb). Learned that by the old Rancer smartbomb camp. They recover the loot from the wrecks as they aren't destroyed.
Silent Vagabond	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Jowen Datloran No, there is no loopholes. I can already tell you're not the sharpest pencil in the box. Quote: The overall ruling is: that CCP/GM's can ban you for whatever they want, whenever they want. If you don't like it, then it sucks to be you. Of course they can, but that's not the point; people want to know where CCP draws the line on certain issues, but apparently CCP isn't telling them. Thus they have set forth vague rulings which may need to be explained in more detail.
Orlenda Enterprise Shipyards Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:28:00 - [44] What you would like to do is within the rules. And it would be interesting to see.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:36:00 - [45] I believe it is allowed so long as you don't recycle an alt to do it. The penalty may not be so obvious but when you do this you will either fail miserably or you will take out a number of pods as well. The latter will be likely to render you KOS in high security systems for a long time. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Orlenda Enterprise Shipyards Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:37:00 - [46] With moderate ratting, how fast do you think you could bring yourself up from a -10.0 security status?
Andreask14 Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:43:00 - [47] You should smartbomb with apocs instead of ravens, cause thats all they are good for.
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:28:00 - [48] Originally by: jitabomber oh i plan to test it extensively before attempting it on tranq. But looking at it profit wise if i'm able to use standard smartbombs since this is a suicide mission it would be better. time to begin the testing. Not sure why but I'm going to help you out here. You won't make any profit. If you're going to highsec gank you need to choose and scan targets. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:43:00 - [49] I do not believe this will work, as mentioned by some folks above. As you exit Jita 4-4 CNAP you will see that you are 0km from the station. Even as you fly away for some time, you still show as being 0km from the station. I'd estimate that you actually have to fly about 3-5km distance before you actually show as being any distance at all from the station which means you'd have to fly 8-10km from the undocking point to show as being "5km" away and thus able to use your smart bombs. Being 8-10km away from the undocking point means your standard tech 1/2 smart bombs will not reach anyone near the undocking point. I suspect the only ships you might find that will wander out as far as you would be someone in a freighter that simply pointed away from the station at full speed and went afk for a few minutes so they get far enough from the undock point to not be jostled when they go to warp. Needless to say, your smart bombs are not going to take down a freighter. Good luck with your testing though, I'll be interested in seeing if this supposition is correct or not, WredStorm
Alowishus Pastry Coalition Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:59:00 - [50] Edited by: Alowishus on 17/01/2008 15:00:48 Lots of things are not covered by the written rules. But as we've seen in the past, continuing to do something after the GMs tell you to stop will get you banned. As far as the mechanics of this, there are Minmatar stations where this will work better than the Caldari station at 4-4. Try finding a high traffic system that has these stations, maybe Rens? Haven't been there in awhile. /makes fart noise
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:00:00 - [51] Originally by: Buyerr Originally by: Frug Why would that be a bannable offense? What part of that sounds bannable or like an exploit? because concord should ban you for something that stupid;) Well they kinda do. Youll prolly get insta -10 sec status rofl ------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition II - Vanguardian
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:14:00 - [52] Edited by: Frug on 17/01/2008 16:14:38 Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Frug What part of that sounds bannable or like an exploit? Probably the part where they crash Jita server for the Concord spam and the wreckage spam. So by your logic, killing lots of people is an exploit and should be banned. Sign me up for hello kitty online plz. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 17/01/2008 16:14:38 Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Frug What part of that sounds bannable or like an exploit? Probably the part where they crash Jita server for the Concord spam and the wreckage spam. So by your logic, killing lots of people is an exploit and should be banned. Sign me up for hello kitty online plz. Wrong reply. Failure to read Frug. They key point was crash Jita server, and I was mostly a jest, as you should notice re-reading the posts. There was nothing about killing people. If some one repeatedly crash Jita server smartbombing ships there it is highly probable that a GM would issue a warning and if he persist a ban, but it will be not for the killing but for knowingly causing repeated crashes.
Soldur Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:15:00 - [54] just fit a caracal with a rack of heavies,and bcs u have about 10 seconds before concord gets u enough to pop most haulers just make sure and fit a cargo scanner to get a tasty target. Quote: DO IT TO IT
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Venkul Mul No, smartbombing don't damage the wreck (go figure the difference between a wreck and a person in your gang or your drones for the smartbomb). It's probably to keep people from getting Concorded when they accidentally SB somebody else's wrecks. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Valadeya uthanaras Killjoy.	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Venkul Mul They key point was crash Jita server, and I was mostly a jest, as you should notice re-reading the posts. There was nothing about killing people. So bassicly, you could use a trial account to bomb around 4-4 people outside the smartbomb warning range to crash the jita node and therefore kill some conglomarate profit while you get rich selling stuff all around jita..... Seem wicked and evil...... NO I NEVER DID THIS AND NEVER WILL just a funny tought .... muhahahahaha , lets load sobaseki/new caldari with stuff a three time the price of what you buy them in jita.....and then crash jita to make tons of profit...
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras Originally by: Venkul Mul They key point was crash Jita server, and I was mostly a jest, as you should notice re-reading the posts. There was nothing about killing people. So bassicly, you could use a trial account to bomb around 4-4 people outside the smartbomb warning range to crash the jita node and therefore kill some conglomarate profit while you get rich selling stuff all around jita..... Seem wicked and evil...... NO I NEVER DID THIS AND NEVER WILL just a funny tought .... muhahahahaha , lets load sobaseki/new caldari with stuff a three time the price of what you buy them in jita.....and then crash jita to make tons of profit... Yes, if you do that at peak time hitting enough people (Concord spam 1 group for criminal activity it is probable it can kill the node). If you are selling in near systems or in the other trade hubs it is possible you will get a profit from that. But if CCP detect a player doing that purposefully I think they would not be pleased.
Sexiest Beast	Posted - 2008.01.17 21:03:00 - [58] whats the difference between smartboming in a mothership/carrier in low sec whilst sitting on a gate and smartbombing at a station exit regardless of range ? also to help clarify. a GM informed me that smartbombing to negate the decloak/lock timer is indeed an exploit. I pettitioned this once because an MC MOM was smartbombing a station way deep in 0.0 once and basically you were dead before you even undocked from the blackscreen of death. not 100% sure the differences between Station/Gate/Low Sec/High Sec but as already said its ultimatly CCPs decision and if they view it as a player doing it to grief or is trying to circumvent specific game mechanics (decloak/invul timer) then expcet a warning depending on what corp/alliance you belong to
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.17 22:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Tral'c Why worry about smartbombs? Just use regular ones 1) 4 or 5 people load up a Stealth Bomber with bombs 2) 1 person sit at Jita 4-4 and the rest sit 16k away 3) Gang up 4) Everyone fire their bombs 5) 15 seconds and 15k later... 6) Watch fireworks 7) Get Concorded 8) Pick up loot 9) PROFIT!!! Much profit to be had when 1. Cant use bombs in empire 2. bombs costs about min 15m / charge --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Tral'c	Posted - 2008.01.17 22:46:00 - [60] Originally by: MenanceWhite Originally by: Tral'c Why worry about smartbombs? Just use regular ones 1) 4 or 5 people load up a Stealth Bomber with bombs 2) 1 person sit at Jita 4-4 and the rest sit 16k away 3) Gang up 4) Everyone fire their bombs 5) 15 seconds and 15k later... 6) Watch fireworks 7) Get Concorded 8) Pick up loot 9) PROFIT!!! Much profit to be had when 1. Cant use bombs in empire 2. bombs costs about min 15m / charge I never said it was a good idea....
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.17 23:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Tral'c I never said it was a good idea.... But it's not doable at all. You can't do it. What if someone with the intention of wasting isk spent all their time to train up a stealtbomber just to do that because they read your post? On the final moment they can't do anything at all, all that time.... just wasted, they just wanted to waste money on doing something silly and in the end they could'nt even try doing it. All that just because they read your post on the forums. Now that's what I call griefing. I people like you --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.19 22:12:00 - [62] it is a lot of fun Trashed sig, Shark was here
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.19 22:26:00 - [63] Related idea: suppose you're at -10.0 sec from your extensive pirate activities. You go to the target system in a pod so Concord/faction police don't shoot you, and fly up next to the pod with an alt/gang mate flying a suicide ship. The alt ejects, your main gets in his ship has just enough time to set off the bombs. You're not recycling alts to evade sec status losses, but you can continue to do it indefinitely. I've heard, again, that people have been asked not to do this but I don't know whether or not there's a strict rule against it. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Caligulus Legion of Lost Souls	Posted - 2008.01.19 23:14:00 - [64] I might just be fishing here but they setup the restricted Dumb Bomb usage so people couldn't do this at all. Secondly, I think that if you managed to get your self concordonked repeatedly and crash the JITA node from the extra lag the GM's wont be so lenient with you. They may even go as far as to track down your main. Unlikely but possible if you ** them off enough. What's more is this is definitly griefing CCP will take sanctionable action against because you're griefing CCP staff. The amount of extra unessential lag for your s and giggles will really be frowned upon when people can't load jita resulting in more and more stuck petitions. To the point...there is frustration involved for anyone that has to deal with Jita. Players, developers and GM's alike. I wouldn't really want to off the person that wields the ban stick. Would you? Alts wont hide your IP. Think about it carefully. ------------------------------------------------- You're out of your mind! ** Well that's between me and my mind.

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